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Chrishayden
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 1237
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, June 22, 2005 - 03:05 pm: | 
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http://nigeriaworld.com/columnist/akubue/053105.html
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Cynnique
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, June 22, 2005 - 08:25 pm: |
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If anybody could come up with a realistic explanation as to why black Africa and its diaspora are always last in line when it comes to the pecking orders of the world, what would be the result of such enlightenment? |
Kola
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Username: Kola
Post Number: 1726
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, June 22, 2005 - 11:18 pm: |
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Cynique---plenty of people
from Malcolm X to Marcus Garvey to Alice Walker to Senghor
have come up with Realistic Explanations of why Africa (and ALL black people) are last in line when it comes to the pecking order in the world.
But just in case you need to SUPPORT the pecking order by reading the same explanations they reached from a "reputable" source....
....just pick up the WEBSTER's DICTIONARY and look up the definition for the word White and then look up the definition of the word Black.
You won't find...a better explanation than that.
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Cynnique
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, June 22, 2005 - 11:51 pm: |
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But a dictionary definition doesn't explain WHY anything associated with black is negative. Cowards are called yellow. White is defined as pallid. Red is a sign of danger. Like the word black these are all adjectives. They are not explanations. |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 3597
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, June 23, 2005 - 09:04 am: |
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Kola,
Blacks are last in line for the very reasons you cite: We sell-out each other. We sell-out OURSELVES.
Now...WHY we do that, is the $SEXTILLION question. |
Cynnique
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, June 23, 2005 - 12:27 pm: |
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So, as I was saying, why are blacks at the end of the pecking order? Anybody got an answer, as opposed to a silly explanation? The idea that the black aesthetic community is being shunted to the end of the line by others throughout the world because black individuls are selling each other out makes no sense. |
Yvettep
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Yvettep
Post Number: 513
Registered: 01-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, June 23, 2005 - 12:57 pm: |
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If anybody could come up with a realistic explanation as to why black Africa and its diaspora are always last in line when it comes to the pecking orders of the world, what would be the result of such enlightenment?
Reminds me of a line...was it from "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy"? (on my list to read again)...about the answer to the universe having been discovered and the answer is...
...37.
(Or some arbitrary number.)
I have to echo this question: What would the purpose of PROOF such a "truth"--even if we could all agree that it is a truth--get for us? Would we feel better to finally have everyone see the same truth that we have seen? Would we get some sort of restitution, affirmative measures, or other correctives to make up for it?
Seems at some point we need to do the right thing and stop trying to prove our theory for "why there ain't no brothas on the wall" and just find (or start) a new pizzaria... |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 3612
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, June 23, 2005 - 01:05 pm: |
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'Vette,
<clappingboisterously!> |
Cynnique
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, June 23, 2005 - 01:20 pm: |
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I'm surprised it never occurred to anybody that it's obviously all about respect. The world-wide artistic community does not respect blacks. But we don't dare explore that subject. |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 3617
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, June 23, 2005 - 01:28 pm: |
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Cynique,
Oh. And YOU are making a effort to address that 'problem'?
B*+%# PLEASE! |
Cynnique
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, June 23, 2005 - 01:33 pm: |
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Why would you think that? I posed the question because I thought it would inspire some interesting answers. So far, Yvette is the only one who has said something provocative. The Kolabm unit laid an egg. |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 3622
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, June 23, 2005 - 01:57 pm: |
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Cynique,
Reading is fundamental!
If Black foks, as I said before, "sell-out each other" and "ourselves", WHO-the-hell-ELSE is going to promote ANYTHING about us, whether its education, business or "esthetic"?
It's a self-hate thing, pure & simple.
It's why silly ass (supposedly) Black people like yourself think that we should rely about authorative books about AFRICA that are written by motherfucking Asians. |
Yvettep
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Username: Yvettep
Post Number: 516
Registered: 01-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, June 23, 2005 - 02:35 pm: |
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I think the author of the originally linked-to piece says it well:
The way forward? We Africans must make up our minds about the future. Are we going to pull down barriers (silly demarcations into West Indian, Francophone and Anglophone moulds) and build bridges between the masterminded divides or are we going to sit around waiting for Band Aid? The rest of the world is not obliged to speak our truth and give us what is due on a platinum platter. Are we going to read and research and encourage our youths to write and learn and seek the path of enlightenment and aspire to heights other than basketball and rap stardom or are we going to wade leisurely in this flood of ignorance? Well, I'm certainly not going to believe what I am told and accept whatever is given to me. I'm going to wake up and step up and be who I was born to be.
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Cynnique
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, June 23, 2005 - 02:43 pm: |
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Oh shut up, ABM. Nothing you say is relatvent. It's just a rant. |
Cynnique
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Yvette, what you posted in on the money. It is a formula for success. |
Libralind2
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Username: Libralind2
Post Number: 144
Registered: 09-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, June 23, 2005 - 10:29 pm: |
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Abm, This is said with love..Cynnique didnt say:we should rely about authorative books about AFRICA that are written by motherfucking Asians. Im on my way to bed..LOL
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Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 3635
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, June 23, 2005 - 10:47 pm: |
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LiLi,
I say this "with love": I know EXACTLY what Cynique is saying and what she mean. And, "with love", she's been doing that crap LONG before you began visiting this site.
Time out Black People on the self-hate! |
Kola
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Username: Kola
Post Number: 1735
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, June 23, 2005 - 11:52 pm: |
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Yvette made a brilliant observation and I agree with her.
We have to build our own Wall---so that we can place brothers and sisters on it
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And this is just MY opinion, but ABM is right about the virtual DISEASE of self-hatred that permeates black people the world over.
It is to the point where it's so ABSOLUTE that most people would rather have stomach cramps than acknowledge and discuss it. That's how DEEP it runs inside us. We can't live without it (the self hate)----and like crabs in a barrel, the person most likely to pull you down very often is another black person.
I have to say....that I find ABM to be a brilliant man.
He may annoy some of you---and I could see why, because he is obnoxious and ribald (and mainly because I egg him on), but he's also a very objective, fluid thinker and a wonderful example of a father. He's not a wimp and he truly and sincerely cares about the future and overall goodwill and health of our people.
He's also honest.
I would LOOOOVE to give birth to a son like ABM.
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Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 3637
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 24, 2005 - 12:22 am: |
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Kola,
Thanks.
I'm tired of Black foks serving up warm/cozy ass to others then get mad with other Blacks when they have the nerve to refuse to do the same.
I grew up poor, fatherless, public aid...all that shit on the West Side of Chicago (West..SIIIIDE!!!).
Seen it all. And, in more than a few instance, dayam near bit-it.
Friends killed by drive-bys, bad drug deals, gang-fights, AIDS, cancer, drugs...the whole schmeal.
Been called nigga this, nigga that, nigga the other by racist cops while they stripped search me and held guns to my head threating that if I move they'd blow it the fuck off.
Still.
I graduated from college cum laude while working FULL-TIME. Have nationally recognized certification and I'm amongst the first motherfuckers WHITES/ASIANS (most of whom had a much EASIER time getting through school/life than I did) consult when they have questions/concerns about my profession.
And more importantly I have a wonderful wife, children, kin and friends.
So if you think I'm going to take a backseat to other motherfuckers just 'cause the world has deluded them into thinking I should you and they out of your asslicking mind! |
Africanqueen
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Username: Africanqueen
Post Number: 69
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 24, 2005 - 12:57 am: |
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Bad boy town loooses  Go Sanantonio Spurrrrrs!!! There is nothing wrong with Africa... It is the most beautiful place in this world... that is all I've got to say about it.
And as far as its people (like me), I think we should all just enjoy the motherland and SCREW THE DAMN LINE.
SINCE WHEN DID AFRICANS ENJOY WAITING IN LINE ANYWAY? IF WE NEEDED FUCKIN RECOGNITION, WE WOULD BE AFTER IT, PUSHING EVERYBODY OUT OF THE WAY;). |
Kola
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Username: Kola
Post Number: 1739
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 24, 2005 - 01:01 am: |
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Hi Nyibol. Hope you're well.
I'm going to call you right now for a second.
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Cynnique
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 24, 2005 - 12:02 pm: |
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Oh take your "self-hate" spiel elsewhere, ABM. Your desperately resorting to this old stand-by catch phrase is played out, mostly because you constantly turn to it to when you can't come up with a valid argument that applies to the subject being discussed. And, as usual, you presume to know what's going on in other people's lives while boasting about your doing what thousands of other black men have done. Your self-serving resume doesn't impress me because I've always thought of you as an educated fool. I've met people who didn't get past the 8th grade who have more on the ball than you. |
Cynnique
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 24, 2005 - 01:13 pm: |
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Kola, Id like to know what your definition of self hatred is. It such a convenient category to box people in. Once you place this label on them, then you don't have to deal with any legitimate rebuttals. Just for the record, I don't hate myself. I like who I am. I'm a child of the universe. |
Kola
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Username: Kola
Post Number: 1748
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 24, 2005 - 06:46 pm: |
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Cynique---all black folks in this age, INCLUDING ME---suffer from some form of feeling "Normal Deficient", directly based on the Western world's 500 year old-standard that Whiteness EQUALS "most normal" and "most human".
The issue is "White Supremacy" and the fact that most human beings on earth support, promote and protect it without ever noticing what they're doing-----because it's "normal" to us.
Those at the furthest OPPOSITE end of the spectrum of "whiteness"----are deemed LESS NORMAL and LESS HUMAN....in everyone's eyes....not just whites.
My point about the Definitions that exist in the DICTIONARY are perfect proof of this---otherwise, they would have been changed by now.
But they haven't been and it's 2005.
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Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 3650
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, June 25, 2005 - 06:42 am: |
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Kola,
Self-hate is also the reason why someone who's as rich/famous as Oprah Winfrey is bitching/moaning about being snubbed by Hermes. For someone with her resources that's a distracting waste of time. A White person of her ilk would NOT sulk about this. He/she would exact his/her revenge by opening a competing store and attempt to steal enough of Hermes customers to put them out of business. |
Kola
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Username: Kola
Post Number: 1750
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, June 25, 2005 - 10:33 am: |
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ABM---I truly think that Oprah doing an entire hour about her ordeal at HERMES on her #1 global talk show may have very damaging consequences for the store as well. She hasn't been bitching and moaning. A simple press release announced the incident and then her friend GAIL made it clear that Oprah was not going to accept their apology, but intended to do a full hour show about it this fall.
What Gail described made me understand why the usually forgiving and diplomatic Oprah has decided to throw mud this time.
And who knows? We may see Oprah in advertisements for one of HERMES competitors this fall! I wouldn't blame her if she didn't have time to start a new chain of department stores just to get even.
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Kola
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Username: Kola
Post Number: 1751
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, June 25, 2005 - 10:38 am: |
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Wasn't it OPRAH who caused BEEF sales to drop in the U.S. 27% by making one single comment on her t.v. show and then being hauled off to court for 4 months by Cattle Merchants??
Wasn't it Oprah who mentioned the title of a book and it suddenly sold a million copies in a week?
She may not significantly hurt their stores in PARIS.....but their stores in N.Y. City and Beverly Hills may go out of business. WOMEN lisen to Oprah and many "black" women with big bucks like Halle Berry, Iman, Cathy Hughes and countless others could hurt business all by themselves---so imagine when Oprah's White Dowagers put out the word to snub HERMES?
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Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 3660
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, June 25, 2005 - 02:49 pm: |
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Kola,
So what?
So what Oprah has the power you assert?
So what she destroys Hermes via her 'bullypulpit'? What good will it do anyone OTHER than allow a few wealthy (and fake wealthy) Black foks feel a little more comfortable shopping at Gucci and Bloomingdale (at least for a little while)?
What I wish Oprah would do is use what happened to her to focus on promoting the patronage of small, local, women/minority-owned shops.
Or I wish Oprah would use her power to put a store right next to Hermes and via her name, money and "countless" friends you mention; hire splendid Black/female suppliers, managers, clerks, etc. and excrutiating grind Hermes racist asses into dust.
If she did THOSE, and not just use the event as an opportuntity to inflate her (already flatulent) ego and score still higher broadcast ratings, I might look forward to what she does.
Otherwise, this will just be ANOTHER rah-rah Oprah 'parade' that EVERYONE will have enjoyed watching go by...but me. |
Kola
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Username: Kola
Post Number: 1755
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, June 25, 2005 - 02:57 pm: |
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You make some good points.
But I think both is good, personally.
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