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Chrishayden
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 1227
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, June 18, 2005 - 11:19 am: | 
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Kola:
You know everythang Afrocentric under the sun--
What do you think of Ivan Van Sertima?
http://www.cwo.com/~lucumi/sertima.html
And also a reply he has made to his critics
http://www.cwo.com/~lucumi/critics.html
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Kola
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Username: Kola
Post Number: 1549
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, June 18, 2005 - 01:54 pm: |
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I back Sertima 100%
He is closer to the African historian, although, I do wish that he would not idolize Egypt and Ethiopia---which is a great flaw in the Western Black.
How can you study Timbuktu and the Congo and the Ghana-Mali Empires and then say that only Egypt and Ethiopia are interesting.
And let's not forget that NUBIA and CUSH are both located COMPLETELY in THE SUDAN, which in biblical times was part of the "Continent" of Ethiopia----not the country.
Much of this worshipping of Ethiopia is really about the Blacks in Sudan.
And what about PUNT and the ZULU nation?
That's my only complaint with SERTIMA.
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Cynnique
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, June 18, 2005 - 02:33 pm: |
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I am curious, Kola, not sarcastic. If you were orphaned at 12 and shuffled around until you ended up with your American foster parents, how do you know so much about the history of your family, your country and your continent. Did you acquire all of this knowledge after you came to America and researched it or were you taught all of this while you were am adolsecent? Also, is there a written history of your ancestors, and in what form and what language is it in? |
Kola
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Username: Kola
Post Number: 1551
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, June 18, 2005 - 02:53 pm: |
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Yes, Cynique. I've spent my whole life searching for information about my family, my continent and about my Black American family's history HERE (which is what ignited my interest in West Africa).
You can find the written history of Egypt, Sudan and Punt (the Somali birthplace of both) in millions of books going all the way back to the Egyptian Dynastic languages of the Kemetic "Ba" period.
I learned a lot when I went back to North Africa as an adult.
More importantly, there are ENDLESS temples, pyramids and tombs in Sudan that contain the history in drawings and writings (my father was an archeologist and took me with him on his escavations to Meroe and Napata)---and this is what took up my early childhood, as my father was very hard on me about knowing WHY he was so driven/obsessed...there is also the ORAL history of the "Zarpunni" women and the men's ORAL history (divided into both Religious History and Warrior History).
African children are INNUNDATED from birth with the ORAL teachings of their various families----and as Uneducated as they are, MOST African children can speak 3 to 5 different languages, based on that.
I also still have family in Egypt (Uncle Kar) and Sudan and many of my close friends, Cynique, are world renowned African History Scholars---notably, Chinweizu of Nigeria, who is one of the world's foremost experts on the Transatlantic Slave Trade (and I wish I had consulted with him before writing "Flesh and the Devil"---there's so much more I could have revealed).
Everyone should read "THE WEST AND THE REST OF US" by Chinweizu.
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Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 3462
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, June 18, 2005 - 03:24 pm: |
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Kola,
You seem as remarkable a researcher and as you are a raconteur.
Perhaps you should consider writing/editing a book(s) that provides instruction on performing African research and references and reviews of choice African texts. |
Cynnique
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, June 18, 2005 - 03:43 pm: |
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I'd be interested in an objective scholar maybe an Asian one, coming up with a history that would be free of both Euro-centric and Afro-centric bias. |
Kola
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Username: Kola
Post Number: 1554
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, June 18, 2005 - 04:01 pm: |
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ABM, I have been asked to write an ACADEMIC research guide by NORTHWESTERN UNIVERSITY---but they retracted the offer upon learning that I have no formal schooling.
I did get paid by BROWN UNIVERSITY to be an "un-credited" contributor on their African women's Anthropology program (they study my book "Long Train to the Redeeming Sin" at Brown).
Because so many of my close friends are Black graduates of HARVARD UNIVERSITY, I have done some "uncredited" work with people at that school.
In the late 1800's and early 1900's BLACK AMERICANS who had no education whatsoever were "PAID" to provide Anthropological information (there were some who made their LIVING this way) and most of the first novels/papers written by Blacks in this country were done so by the ones who had (a) been slaves and (b) had no education.
Most of the "Blacks" who changed the course of America were the ignorant non-educated ones---many of whom, like Sojourner Truth couldn't read or write.
So now it's happening with Africans.
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Cynique---you don't think ASIANS are biased or that they haven't already come up with their version of history (they have)?
Bias, my dear, is a HUMAN trait. Asians are not immune to it and there are no people on earth more "NATIONALISTIC" than the Asians---see Japan, China, Korea and Thailand---not to mention INDIA, one of the most colorist, classist societies on earth. And you think I'm a Nationalist.
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Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 3464
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, June 18, 2005 - 04:20 pm: |
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Cynique,
<shakingmyhead>
You know...Sometimes I REEEAAAAALLY wonder about you.
WHY would you post on an AFRICAN AMERICAN site that you'd prefer an ASIAN over an AFRICAN to write a book about AFRICA?
Do you even know what you're saying? And do you care what that implies?
And How-the-Hell you know this Asian of yours would write an "objective" history of Africa? Asians think as less of Blacks as do Whites (worse in some instances).
China remains staunchly apposed to UN intervention to the Darfur genocide/rape/displacement.
There's a recent posting somewhere on this site where you have Asians who are trying to argue that Asians are NOT borne from the strand of humanity that evolved from Africa, which flies in the face of WORLD-ACCEPTED scientific conventions.
And Japanese prime ministers have blamed Blacks for Americas social/educational trouble.
Are these the kinds of foks who are inclined to provide an "objective" assessment of Africa?
And, HONESTLY, would you so much as even think about preferring an AFRICAN over an ASIAN to pen a book about CHINA?
HELLFUCKINGNAW!!!
Cynique. You're pulling some selfhating self-sabotaging Negrow bullshit. Plain-n-simple. And your ass has lived long enough to know better!
Tell me, BLACK woman: Have you ascribe the SAME "objective" criteria upon the (MYRIAD!) history, literature, language, math, science, politics/government, etc. books you've read throughout your lives?
Have you stopped to say: "Hmmmmmm? I wonder did a KOREAN edit this critique of (the ENGLISH) Shakespeare's Hamlet?"
FUCK A MOTHERFUCKING "ASIAN ONE"!
Kola would write circles around that son-of-a-bitch. SHE would tell the truth. And it would shine brighter than one of those diamonds that are being mined from the AFRICAN Ivory Coast.
PS: Cynique? Aren't you too fucking old to be hating on Kola? The shit's just straight up PLAYED! |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 3465
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, June 18, 2005 - 04:31 pm: |
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Kola,
Fuck Northwestern! Uppity sons-a-bitches.
That's THEIR lost, not yours. 'cause yours would have probably been one of the few genuine bits of scholarship to come out of that overated joint in a DECADE!
You are right! A degree don't mean SHIT! And THAT's coming from someone who's got'em.
This whole everyone's gottah have a degree to know/do something is one of the worst lies too many of us Blacks have been force abide. Meanwhile, most of world's richest people (e.g., Gates, Oprah, etc.) are college dropouts.
Most, if not all, of the smartest, most capable...and WEALTHIEST...Black foks I know DON'T have degrees. And a couple of them didn't graduate HIGH SCHOOL.
"Beauty is what Beauty DOES!" |
Cynnique
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, June 18, 2005 - 06:05 pm: |
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ABM, I don't feel like I have to give you an explanation for anything. I'll ask any damned question I feel like asking and if you didn't feel the need to interject yourself into every single thread on this board, you wouldn't be so frustrated. How am I hating on Kola? If you gotta probem about me being a truth seeker then take it and ram it up your pompous obnoxious ass. As I have said on many occasions, Kola is perfectly capable of defending her views, and doesn't need anybody to run interference for her. Least of all you who never does anything but re-cycle other people's opinions. |
Kola
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Username: Kola
Post Number: 1558
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, June 18, 2005 - 06:34 pm: |
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Hi Cynique.
You and others might enjoy the 8-volumne "UNESCO GENERAL HISTORY OF AFRICA"---which has now become the BIBLE of historical data about Africa, or as many at Oxford University put it: "The Africanisation of African history, at last".
Volumne I of the UGHA, "Methodology and African PreHistory", edited by J. Ki-Zerbo, details the case for using contributions from archeology, linguistics, geography, language maps, palaeontogoly, the oral tradition, etc. to supplement evidence from African and non-African written sources. Making the case was necessary because such disciplines lie outside the boundaries of conventional historical sources. The prehistory of the continent is then presented in seven different chapters specializing on East, South, North, West and Central Africa, the Sahara and Nile Valley.
Volumne II, "Ancient Civilizations" edited by G. Mokhtar, presents the pre-history and history of various parts of Africa from about the 8th milennium B.C. to the eve of the Arab invasion of North Africa in the 7th century A.D.
Volumen IV, "Africa From the 12th to 16th Century", edited by D.T. Niane treats a period that is notable for Arab penetration and cultural destabilisation of the Sahelian belt of sub-Sahara Africa.
Volumne VII, "Africa Under Colonial Domination 1880-1935" edited by A. Adu Boahen presents the European conquest of Africa.
ALL OF THESE BOOKS are written by AFRICAN SCHOLARS---
and there have ALWAYS BEEN African scholars in every nation. Writing on a Totem is just as legitimate as writing on a piece of paper.
other great "Bibles" of the Research field include two that are Widely Used at PRINCETON, YALE AND OXFORD...that were written or edited by my friend, CHINWEIZU:
"Decolonising the African Mind"
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"Griots and TownCriers--Voices From 20th Century Africa" (**If you truly want to know Africa, get this book).
I believe you may have to order it from the United Kingdom, however:
SUNDOOR BOOKS
BCM Box 4658
London WCIN 3XX
England
NOTE: The United States Simply does not have GOOD, HONEST Up-to-date books about AFRICAN HISTORY that are available to the general public.
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Kola
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Username: Kola
Post Number: 1559
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, June 18, 2005 - 06:35 pm: |
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"Griots and TownCriers--Voices From 20th Century Africa" (**If you truly want to know Africa, get this book).
I believe you may have to order it from the United Kingdom, however:
SUNDOOR BOOKS
BCM Box 4658
London WCIN 3XX
England
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Cynnique
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, June 18, 2005 - 06:51 pm: |
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Thanks for the references. The problem I have with these works is that every civilization accuses other civilizations of stealing from it. So the beauty of a civilization is in the eye of the beholder, because each one tends to co-opt and claim each other's art and culture and the race of the person writing a history seems to determine who is going to come out looking best. However, the Eastern civilizations seem to be separate and apart from this chicanery. |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 3479
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, June 18, 2005 - 07:41 pm: |
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ABM, I don't feel like I have to give you an explanation for anything.
Indeed. And the feeling's mutual.
I'll ask any damned question I feel like asking and...
Fair enuff.
...if you didn't feel the need to interject yourself into every single thread on this board
This is a free site. I can "interject" anywhere I dayam well please. And YOU as much as, if not MORE than, most who appear here EAT UP the results of my "interject".
, you wouldn't be so frustrated.
I don't get "frustrated". I frustrate.
How am I hating on Kola?
HAHA! We'll FOREVER agree-2-disagree on THAT 1.
If you gotta probem about me being a truth seeker
Oh. So THAT's what you call what you do here? Sorry. I didn't know.
then take it and ram it up your pompous obnoxious ass.
You show me how you do it first and I'll consider following suit.
As I have said on many occasions, Kola is perfectly capable of defending her views, and doesn't need anybody to run interference for her.
Now THAT I concur with. But sometimes it's fun to pile-on.
Least of all you who never does anything but re-cycle other people's opinions.
Why re-create the wheel? |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 3480
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, June 18, 2005 - 07:46 pm: |
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Kola,
I'm I the only one who finds it VERY INTERESTING that a BLACK women would be more inclined to believe/appreciate a book about AFRICA that was written by ASIANS than she would one written by an AFRICAN.
Think of what's being asserted here: There's over a BILLION people of African extraction spread throughout the world, yet we need some ASIAN cat to explain us/you what really has happened on YOUR continent.
I'm sorry. But that's just crazy as hell. |
Kola
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Username: Kola
Post Number: 1569
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, June 18, 2005 - 07:59 pm: |
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ABM, for years I've said that because of certain black mothers---it's no wonder our people remained enslaved hundreds of years and continue to be without a self.
That's all I'll say.
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Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 3485
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, June 18, 2005 - 08:12 pm: |
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Kola,
I understand you've gottah do your African honored mother bit with Cynique. And for the most part, I can tolerate differences in perspectives of any type.
But, I don't know, the inferences among what she's arguing pisses me off like FEW things I've recently read.
Perhaps it's because this a site that promotes AFRICAN American literature, history and culture. So, I gottah say, the notion of some #$%^ing "objective" Asian person stepping in to enlighten us about US is one of those things that, well...<shakingmyhead>.
I guess this does clearly highlight what you've been arguing ALL ALONG.
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Cynnique
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Well, ABM, you just have to be sorry. When it comes to how civilization evolved, white Europeans give it their spin, and black Africans give it theirs, and the 2 versions are quite different. A scholar of Asian persuasion might have a balanced perspective. I prefer my history unbiased. |
Cynnique
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ABM, I repeat, I don't feel like I have to justify myself to you. Your approval means zilch to me. Amd it's a testament to your density that you apparently never understood that I am not into the "black-just-for-the-sake-of-black" thing. And I don't think that Kola expects everybody on her site to parrot her views. |
roXie
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Abm, I have two questions:
*Does "Abm" stand for "Angry black man"?
*Were you ever on the IndiaFamily.net message boards?
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Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 3490
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, June 19, 2005 - 08:22 am: |
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Cynique,
Yes. EVERYBODY spins.
And Asians have their biases against Africans/Blacks just as others do. So they're no more inclined to tell the truth (whatever that truly is) about Africa as is anyone else.
Now. How often have you preferred an Asian lecture/write about EUROPEAN History/Culture?
And WHY are you responding to me if you don't feel a need to "justify" yourself. I'll tell you why: Because you know, though you don't want to concede, that what you're thinking/saying is bullshit.
Pure & Simple.
But you've got to maintain your cynical, wizened, world-weary guise. So, go on, maam. I understand.
roXie,
ABM is simply "A Black Man". I'm not "angry" about much of anything (except the way my youngest daughter keeps her bedroom....ARRRRRR!!!).
And I've never even heard of much less visited the "IndiaFamily.net" site. |
Libralind2
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Username: Libralind2
Post Number: 131
Registered: 09-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, June 19, 2005 - 09:11 am: |
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I tell you what. I tried to test Cynnique's theory: (Cynnique writes:I'd be interested in an objective scholar maybe an Asian one, coming up with a history that would be free of both Euro-centric and Afro-centric bias.)by looking for someone other than a European or African-American telling our story, and my goodness I kept coming up with references to slavery. Frankly, for me that is depressing when I tell the kids I work with you are decendents of Queens and Kings cause they "might" think Im lying when they try to do any research and the majority of links have slavery in them.
LiLi |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 3492
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, June 19, 2005 - 09:23 am: |
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LiLi,
Hey. I ain't hatin' NOBODY.
We all are most faulty, feeble human being who are mostly just trying to scrap together enough of what we think we need to survive/prosper.
But let's be REALLY REAL here: Asians, by-n-large, can hardly give a f#$% about Blacks; whether they're in Africa, America or Australia.
So the notion that THEY would provide a more earnest, complete recounting of African history/culture is LAUGHABLE. |
Yvettep
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Username: Yvettep
Post Number: 491
Registered: 01-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, June 19, 2005 - 09:42 am: |
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IF it is true that "Asians, by-n-large, can hardly give a f#$% about Blacks,"
THEN wouldn't it even be more impressive if an Asian scholar wrote a work about Blacks/Africans that said similar thing as Van Sertima and others?
In nother words, I see Cynique's point about getting a view of history from folks who do not have a personal investment in the outcome. I would add that I see the value in getting this vie AS WELL AS a view from Blacks, Africans, etc. (not "instead of"). I also do not hold off judgement on a "Black view" until someone else "confirms" it.
I am NOT saying this is what Cynique is saying.
But I appreciate a diversity of views and opinions. I hate echo chambers--on any topic: They breed sloppiness, sound bites, and spastic head nodding. |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 3494
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, June 19, 2005 - 09:54 am: |
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'Vette,
I appreciate/welcome ALL perspectives. But, perhaps unlike you, I have NO delusions about ANY of it being bias-free.
EVERYTHING I've observed asserts that no matter its author, 'the spin is in'.
'Vette: "THEN wouldn't it even be more impressive if an Asian scholar wrote a work about Blacks/Africans that said similar thing as Van Sertima and others?"
ABM: Not really. The only thing I'd be impressed by is whether I thought what was written was reasonably fair, accurate, complete and entertaining.
EVERYBODY has a "personal investment in the outcome" of their views.
No matter who/what we are, our biases creep into EVERYTHING we think, say and do.
You appear to think Asians live in some kind of 'vacuum' that's free of the world's dominent influences.
But many, if not MOST, of the top Asian intellectuals/writers are receiving Western-based educations (Hell! Half of them somewhere in America RIGHT NOW.).
You don't think they're internalizing much of the "Almighty White man Save's the Ignorant N*%%er Savage" rhetoric they're receiving at Harvard, Northwestern and Stanford? |
Cynnique
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As far as I'm concerned, ABM, you overreacted to my post, and as usual jumped to conclusions. Your reponse to what I wrote was off the mark. You read things into what I said and accused me of something I wasn't doing. You also keep trying to portray yourself as the voice of reason when in fact you are the voice of resentment and emotion. You keep referring to my age as if this has an effect on my attitude, so allow me to return the favor. For somebody your age, you are terribly sophomoric and pedestrian and puerile, all of which pollutes and dilutes your mentality. So, as I said, if you have a problem with my wanting a third opinion on history then that's your problem. Now go back to your sulking.
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Cynnique
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LiLi and Yvette, your well-thought-out, pertinent responses are well-taken. |
Libralind2
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Post Number: 134
Registered: 09-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, June 19, 2005 - 02:08 pm: |
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Cynnique writes: For somebody your age, you are terribly sophomoric and pedestrian and puerile, all of which pollutes and dilutes your mentality.
LiLi says: Yeaaaa I have my word of the week for Black Expressions..thanks Cynnique !!! LOL
(puerile)We are increasing our vocabulary on that group  |
Abm
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Post Number: 3498
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Cynique,
Read any opinion you like. Because you will do with it what you done with most other things you've (allegedly) read.
Not a dayam thing.
Who and what YOU are about has, sadly, been crystal clear to me from the moment we met.
YOU are a bitter, jealous old woman who CYNICALLY begrudges no longer having any influence on the world.
And that graciously assumes you ever did have much effect to begin with.
"Reason", "resentment" and "emotion" ARE not mutually exclusive traits. Nor are they necessarily wholly positive or negative.
And you're dayam right I'm often "sophomoric", "pedestrian" and "puerile". Moreover, I ENJOY that $#*+. And your a$$ learned those words from ME as I've already attributed them to myself.
But one of the (MANY) differences between me/you is I can freely acknowledge/embrace my weakness/error, not cower behind them as you do.
I am what I am. You can love it or hate it. I am what I am. |
Cynnique
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Once again you have proven you are incapable of original thought. Eveything you said, a-woman already spat out a long time ago much to my amusement. And I never heard you refer to yourself as anything but horny and well-hung and you're probably more the former than the latter. And let me get this straight. Who is it I'm jealous of?? And why?? Or am I aware that we have ever met. Thank goodness. Ugh. Yes, you are what you are. A pathetic, blathering wanna-be. I don't love you or hate you. I laugh at you. heh-heh. |
Kola
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Post Number: 1575
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, June 19, 2005 - 09:33 pm: |
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LOL ABM. Cynique finally got you to come undone.
Puerile.
I'm inclined to agree that you introduced those words to us.
>>>Hope U had a wonderful father's day, King<<<<
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Cynnique
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, June 19, 2005 - 09:46 pm: |
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My familiarity with the word "puerile" dates back to my high school Latin. "Puer" meaning boy and "puella" meaning girl are 2 of the first Latin words I learned. Remember, kiddies, when you invoke my age, you must also concede that my vocabulary dates waaaaay back. |
Kola
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Post Number: 1580
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, June 19, 2005 - 09:50 pm: |
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LMAO!!!!
Sorry, Cynique. You do have a point.
LOL
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Kola
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Username: Kola
Post Number: 1581
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, June 19, 2005 - 09:54 pm: |
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And by the way, Cynique--
unlike A_Womon, I think your "age" is a wonderful thing. Not a liability or something to be disrespected.
Lambd was saying the same thing---that you shouldn't have hidden it, because it's WAY COOL that you're able to fit right in with the youngest people here...with EASE...as you've done for years.
You do have enormous wisdom, sheer style and Mother Wit to be able to pull that off.
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Cynnique
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Well, Kola, you know you and I have been at odds about many subjects. But I never doubted your keen intelligence and immense perceptiveness. LOL. (You also have a good heart. But you are a little looney. Of course, I'm rather nutty, myself.) Dat's life. |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 3506
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, June 19, 2005 - 11:08 pm: |
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Cynique,
Everything I said above I've (politely) avoided saying LONG before A_woman ever appeared here. Though I'll agree she (and JustWrite) tapped into dat @$$ pretty good. (HAHAHA!)
Your CYNICAL envy of Kola, A_woman, JustWrite and others (who, UNLIKE you, have the courage/energy to attempt to publish), is as evident as it is pathetic.
And if you don’t remember the many self-deprecations I've posted here, you need to start taking your Alzheimer medication again. |
SESE
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Kola: Without getting into the merits or demerits of an academic degree, have you considered the following:
1) Non-baccalaureate program. Most MAJOR universities have these programs. Life experiences are evaluated, GRE (think sometimes waved) administered and an essay in your area of interest. If all is favorable you can be admitted to an advance degree program. It appears that you would have a good shot given life experiences and that you are a double minority, black and female. Schorarship and other resources are available, you just have to find them if interestsed. This is an overview, specefic eligibility determined by university.
2) Again based on life experiences, oral and literary skills, position yourself to be awarded an honorary degree. That is a degree in recognition of distinction without regard to academic attainment. Some honorary degrees are: Litt. D=Dr. of Literature, L.H.D=Dr. of Humanities, DCL=Dr.Civil Law and there are others. Remember all degrees are not earned. Not referring to ones obtained by illegeal means./ |
roXie
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Abm:
--ABM is simply "A Black Man". I'm not "angry" about much of anything (except the way my youngest daughter keeps her bedroom....ARRRRRR!!!).
And I've never even heard of much less visited the "IndiaFamily.net" site.--
I just wanted to confirm if you were the same Abm that I knew from that site (which you're obviously not). I've ran into the same posters on more than one MB site and I thought I was having another "small world" experience. Does it hurt to ask?
Kola:
--unlike A_Womon, I think your "age" is a wonderful thing. Not a liability or something to be disrespected. --
This is an ironic comment considering you didn't want me calling you "ms. Boof" because it made you "feel old". ;)
Personally, I believe this emphasis on youth over intelligence and talent is overrated. I see a lot of subconcious influence of the media brainwashing here and I'm telling you now nonone should be ashamed of their "advanced" age. Doesn't one(well, some people)gain experience and wisdom with age? The only reason the young are desired is because thay look good (read: fit the manufactured american ideal of beauty), not beacause they are intelligent or achieved anything that may impact or change the world (some young people do but,let's be honest, the boybands get more air time nowadays). Dim-bulbed Youth may be worshipped in Hollyweird, but from my personal experience, we're still at the bottom of the rung. (Well now that those 1990 babies are now kids, the SECOND to bottom).
Believe it or not, I have more older adult friends than those of my own age. Older adults have better conversation topics while all my peers want to talk about are "guys", "american Idol" and whatever their stupid drunk friends whom I never met did at the bar last night. Sadly the majority of my generation haven't the smarts to assemble an IKEA shelf let alone think for themselves and discuss social and political issues.(While watching "monster-in-law" I wanted to strangle that giggly popsinger along with Jane Fonda).I envy the baby boomers.
If it sounds like I'm ashamed of being young, I'm not. I just hate the backward values that have greatly influenced my generation, and I feel so alone.  |
Kola
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Roxie:
this is an ironic comment considering you didn't want me calling you "ms. Boof" because it made you "feel old". ;)
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KOLA:
No, it's not an ironic
statement--considering the
fact that I'm too goddamned
young for YOU to be calling me "Ms.".
Since so many in the book industry refer to me as the "Diana Ross of the publishing biz" (which they don't mean in a nice way at all)----I took it that you might be trying to infer that I'm a "bitch" by calling me Miss Boof.
My name in the box says "KOLA"/moderator
Call me Kola.
And in my culture, we revere nothing more than the ELDER---but I am STILL raised IN AMERICA, BY AMERICANS. I don't know why I wouldn't be affected by the culture just like the rest of you.
Hence---I don't wish to be regarded as old in THIS CULTURE that truly hates and discriminates against age. But I'm certain I've got a few characters up my sleeve for when the time comes----I shall play QUEEN KOLA to the hilt once I'm old.
NO OFFENCE TAKEN.
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Jmho
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Abm wrote:
Your CYNICAL envy of Kola, A_woman, JustWrite and others (who, UNLIKE you, have the courage/energy to attempt to publish), is as evident as it is pathetic
Is the pot trying to call the kettle black? Or selective recall? Or just apparent dislike of Cynique?
My understanding is that Cynique has been published. I know I remember her offering copies of her book. And, she mentioned being published in the newspaper(s?).
I don't recall her whining about not being able to get a publisher or be published, unlike some others on the board. They knew who they are. |
Cynnique
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ABM, it's typical that when people have no substantial argument to support their points, they resort to petty ones, like attributing my devilment to envy and jealousy. In the first place, I don't know that Kola and A-woman and Just-write have done anything for me to envy or to be jealous of. Furthermore, they are not of my generation and our goals are not the same. I've been there, done that. I'm content to sit back and watch the passing parade. And it is pretty obvious that you and I are natural enemies. For some reason, you have always turned me off. There was just something about you that created big blips on the screen of my "jerk" radar. Now go take a chill pill so your blood pressure will stabilize. LMAO. |
Abm
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Jmho,
I recall Cynique mentioning she had self-published a book and had had articles published in newspapers. And though I've never read any of them, I'll bet they have their merits.
But Cynique herself thinks so little of what SHE's done, her cynicisms creeps down into her views of the works of others.
And that to me has the distasteful tinge of a former cutie pie running down her younger/prettier neighbor who, unlike her, is attempting to make it to the Miss America Pageant.
But to answer your question: It's probably some gradation of ALL those:
1) I probably should be publishing my dayam self.
2) I have probably forgotten parts of the 1,000's of missives I have read/posted here.
3) I probably do not like certain things about Cynique, one of which being what I describe above.
There now. Happy?
Now, you tell me: Do you think if/when I put my mind/effort into writing a book, I could get it published? ;) |
Kola
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But to answer your question: It's probably some gradation of ALL those:
1) I probably should be publishing my dayam self.
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Yes, ABM--you SHOULD be writing books! You're not only a "natural" writer, you're brilliant and have a very flexible mind (able to play devil's advocate). I have ALWAYS considered it a waste that you're not writing SOMETHING to be entombed in our people's lock box of "stuff". I love you MOSTLY because of your deft, masculine sensitive writing.
And, although, it's VERY HARD for a black person who is "saying something" to get published---many of them, do---and by the time you finished your book, I would probably be able to push it through for you-----as SURPRISE, SURPRISE---I expect to be signed with a MAJOR HOUSE by winter (because of my love, Chinweizu, there are now 3 courting me---AND----a very impressive black group is FINANCING to bring me to New York for a week. These are very powerful blacks, some of whose NAMES you would know, so indeed---the tide is turning for me.)
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Abm
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Post Number: 3515
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Cynique,
Jealousy is an IRRATIONAL response. Half the time, most foks don't know what the hell they're envious of.
So you can attempt to eschew the point. But I know it when I see it.
And, baby...YOU ARE IT.
Because it REEKS from most of your postings here.
Let someone express a particularly proactive or positive thought about something, especially about themselves. And like clockwork, here come crotchety Cynique to tear'em down.
In fact, if one examined your MYRIAD postings here, they could EASILY observe that you are an intellectual bottom feeder.
You just gnaw at the droppings of the more worthy contributions of others and proffer these terse contradictions to make what you say appear to be wise. When the TRUTH is you hardly have an ORIGINAL thought in your head.
Rather. You just offer simpleminded, kneejerk negations of others.
Kola makes a bold, crazy, brilliant proclamation. She stakes her talent, name, person and very LIFE on it. And you get to cleverly contradict her while never INITIATING any substantive discussion or offering any viable alternatives.
And what's sad is a few jokers around here fall for that routine, MOSTLY, because they're so G.D. afraid of Kola they'll enjoy ANYONE appearing to be able to stand up to her, even if what YOU say is BS (Preferring a motherfucking ASIAN write a book about AFRICA. You must be outtah yo' GD mind!).
The totality of your offerings can be summed up as follows: 'The world's f#$% up. The White man won. Can't nobody do anything about it. So let it be!'.
Foks. That AIN’T mother wit. That $#*+ is NITWIT!
OH.
And ANOTHER thing you do is conveniently avoid answering a question that you know good-n-dayam-well effectively refutes your prior commentary.
You'll respond to something you THINK you can provide a clever rebut to. But let someone say/ask something you KNOW get's into dat @$$ and I swear you can hear crickets chirping from your computer.
(Case-in-point: Repeat questions:
1) Why did Daley hire a BLACK CFD chief if it WASN'T to disguise the fact ath Chicago's got a fire department that's worthy of a Ku Klux Klan charter?
2)Why is there NEVER any reporting of crimes being committed by Chinese, Middle Eastern, Eastern Indian and most other non-Black Chicagoans other than MANY in the Chicago media find it easier, more politically expeditious to overemphasize BLACK crime?)
Funny. I'm surprised I've gotten into you for this particular reason. Because you've been dealing this tripe for years.
But this THING about some Asian writing a more authentic/credible book about AFRICA is... Okay...I'll admit it (Jhmo) that self-hating $#*+ has sort of crystalized a feeling within me that (amazingly) all your other BS has not.
But, having said ALL that, I will concur with you about this: We have NEVER really gotten along and we turn each other off. THAT is, at least from my vantage point, irrefutably TRUE.
And, HONESTLY, YOU are the ONLY one I've ever met here that I've felt that way about.
The ONLY one.
I have my opinions about why that's the case. But I'll keep'em to myself because, whether I am or not, no-way-n-hell you'd admit I'm right.
Kola,
Thanks for the compliments!
And you know what? I may indeed take you up on that offer...SOON. |
Cynnique
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The cyber world has apparently consumed you, ABM. You need a reality check. I have never read anything by Kola, A-woman, or Just Write or have I seen any of them in person and the idea that I am sitting around envying these people, wanting to look like them and emulate their ambitions is ridiculous and is just another example of how you create little scenarios in your mind, little theories you have concocted to reinforce your misgivings. Get a grip, guy. |
Abm
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Kola,
Oh: CONGRATULATIONS!
Troy and the rest of your backers should feel more privleged by your new arrangement than you. Because you truly have limitless powers that will be recognized and honored ages henceforth.
And I feel it to be a great honor to converse with you.
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Cynnique
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As far as jealously goes, ABM. you don't know jack. You are judging other people by yourself. I have said on any number of occasions that I am a contrarian. I'm just someone who can't resist challenging the views of people who have apparently never considered the other side of an issue. When it came to Kola, I was usually responding to claims she made that I just flat out didn't agree with. So take your jealousy accusations and stuff 'em. I can honestly say that I am really not jealous of anyone but Angelina Jolie because Brad Pitt has started to look awfully good, and Oprah because she's a billionaire. Dayum! |
Kola
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Post Number: 1597
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ABM,
Although I totally agree with some of your views about Cynique---I must admitt---as I have done for years now
that no matter how cantankerous and disapproving of me she is
I feel a very definite LIKE for her, always have, an enormous FONDNESS that comes from admiration and a sort of "womanly" understanding that isn't really tangible with words.
Certainly, we've gone at each other's throats. But there is the African Woman inside me that is loyal to an older black woman to a fault---even a high yellow Denkinyira/Hausa looking Cynic with Indian skin and caucasoid eye-flecks. I still see her as my Mother, and am compelled to protect and honor her---even if she is unruly and rejecting of me.
It's an African thing, and you will find that MANY of the black men I "claim" to loathe and despise----I really and truly love with a pain that is unmentionable. I ache with hostility at them, because they won't let me embrace them.
I believe that my ability to tell the "truth" about feelings---no matter hard it is for others---is what will give me the victory in public against my naysayers.
Though I am like a hurricane...the core driving it is a psychotic LOVE. An Orphan's lot on an EPIC level--because I have inherited TWO hiddeous nations---Sudan and Black America----and as the daughter of both, must fight for them IN THE WAY OF AN AFRICAN MOTHER.
Black Americans do not realize that I am the one responsible for what happens to them. I am their mother, and from being raised by Black Americans, I know that now.
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roXie
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--I don't know why I wouldn't be affected by the culture just like the rest of you.--
I guess that's one part of the culture I've successfully deprogrammed myself from.
Kola, lets clear some things up:
*I have nor will have any intention of insulting you. (Besides, if I did I would just simply use one of george carlin's seven deadly words.)
* whether I address you as Kola, Ms. Boof or whatever, it's with the utmost respect.
* I don't know your age and I won't even try to guess or assume from the picture or until you tell me personally (unlikely), but I DO know that your older THAN me, and I unlike my peers, I view that in a more positive light.
I'll end this discussion now, no hard feelings?
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Kola
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ROXIE, you have to get used to me.
I wasn't upset by you, my love.
You're also WELCOME to cuss me out or set me straight whenever you deem necessary.
I am NOT a GOD or a Queen. I'm just your opinionated sister and homegurl.
I was adopted and raised in a family of Black American women---my sister Spring tells me to go to hell and stay outta her bizness ALL THE TIME.
I call her ass back later on and do some check'n up on her. She likes Cats and Plants---so when I come to her house, I get information from them about what's been going on.
You have no idea how many times SPRING has said to me---"Take your ass BACK to Africa, bitch!"
LOL
So you should get accustomed to me.
We may disagree on some topics---but you have my LOVE no matter what.
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Cynnique
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Ho-Hum. Kola, if I was unruly and cantakerous it was because I just didn't feel like I had to sit back and let you run down any "black" person who you didn't deem worthy. Also, you are not blameless. You proved to me many times that you had a very devious streak, and were capable of deception and lies. But I have never under estimated your intelligence or your talent, or your manipulative charm. Not only that, I liked arguing with you. It was stimulating. The jealousy charge continues to baffle me. I think you and ABM secretly think I like him. Not true. Chris Hayden is my buddy, and Lambd was my Boo and Slow Poke my new pal, but, as I said, I really wasn't feeling ABM. What kinda wrinkled my brow was when I would read the exchanges between you 2, I always felt like I was eavesdropping and that your conversations were private ones that should've been for your eyes only, which is why I finally starting bypassing your mushy threads. Sheeze. |
Slow Poke
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Cynique---here's look'n at you kid!
Cheers.
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Kola
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Excuse me, Slow Poke.
That's nice that you like to give Cynique STARS all the time.
But what about the rest of us? Don't ANY OF US make any intelligent points/comments that you feel are worthy of a star sometimes? It's always Cynique who has stars for everything she says.
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Cynnique
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Slow Poke:
Back atcha, Babe. Clink! |
Cynnique
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What wrong, Kola? Are you JEALOUS???? LMAO. |
Kola
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Cynique,
I do not think that you are jealous of me.
ABM said that.
Slow Poke is just prejudiced. He ONLY praises Cynique and whatever she says. To me, it mutes his opinion, because he seems to be biased.
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roXie
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Kola:
--We may disagree on some topics---but you have my LOVE no matter what. --
Same here
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Cynique
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Surely you are not censoring Slow Poke, Kola?????? (BTW, the only contact he and I have is on this board, so the fact that he is frequently on my wave-length is purely coincidental.)
Caution: Don't give me any stars on this post, Slow Poke. That's a no-no. |
Abm
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Kola,
I'll accept your need to respect Cynique and leave it at that. But you know it's BS for for a BLACK person to advocate some ASIAN'S retelling of Africa over that of yours or any other African.
Cynique,
"Devious" I am. No doubt.
But I've NEVER presented any "deception and lies" here.
Now THAT is a LIE!
I may have presented a factual error. And when such was proven to me, I've conceded and apologized.
Now. Where is YOUR proof of such offenses?
And I notice you NEVER responded to my questions of whether you value Asian authors over European authors for EUROPEAN history/literature.
My Dear, THAT, to me, says it ALL.
Who died and made YOU the great protector of Black foks from evil Dr. ABM? And wake me up when you DO the actual protecting.
'Cause, honestly, I'd REALLY like to see how it goes.
Lastly, I don't recall sending someone to hold a 9-mm pistol to your head to compel you to observe Kola's and my "private" exchanges. Hell. At that time, what YOU wanted were amongst the very LAST dayam things on my mind.
PS: Ask 'Big Boss Man' TROY has HE enjoyed the Kola/ABM sagas. |
Kola
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Kola,
I'll accept your need to respect Cynique and leave it at that. But you know it's BS for for a BLACK person to advocate some ASIAN'S retelling of Africa over that of yours or any other African.
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ABM, I do agree with you that Cynique has lost her mind with these rantings about ASIANS being more equipped, less biased, etc.
I just don't like to endanger my "ba" (a kind of soul that protects the spirit and future) by being unpleasant towards an Elder Mother Figure, especially since I do SINCERELY like Cynique so much.
I believe this is another reason that Black people are so accursed---the vile way we treat our elders is unforgivable. We don't even acknowledge their humanity after a certain age. It's like they're invisible or something---and THAT is the time we should be engaging them the most---even if they are ENDORA from BEWITCHED.
It's very serious for me.
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Cynique
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Why don't you get you head on straight, ABM! I never called you "devious". What are you yammering about??
You guys are really upset over the idea of having an Asian do research on the disparaties between Euro-centricism and Afro-centricism as it pertains to which culture can take credit for what. But the inscrutable Asian mind is very good at being thorough and incisive, and interestingly enough neither Europeans nor Africans ever try to deny what the ancient Chinese, Japanese and Korean dynasties contributed to the world because they respect and recognize that the Orient was a world unto its own. So just fester on. I am not changing my stand. |
Cynique
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And quit getting your loose bowels in a uproar about you and Kola's romantic exchanges, ABM. It ain't that serious. I made my choice not to wade through through the mush, and that's that. It really upsets you that someone could reject your soap opera dialogue doesn't it... Tired of the LOL thing. You only rate a snicker. And a yawn. |
Abm
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Post Number: 3540
Registered: 04-2004
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Cynique,
I guess you were calling Kola, not me "devious". If that is true, I apologize for my error.
But this:
"...the inscrutable Asian mind is very good at being thorough and incisive..." is complete/utter bias, self-hating claptrap.
And what the hell does Asians abilities to craft their own dynasties have to do with their ability to discern the histories/cultures of Africa?
Alas, YOU rate a <shakingmyhead>.
Kola,
I hear you. But some "Elder Mother Figure" types make it VERY difficult to respect them. |
Cynique
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Tsk-tsk. Poor ol ABM. Too bad you're having a difficult time generating respect for Cynique. But no biggie inasmuch as it should be pretty obvious that I don't hold you in high regard. (Kinda hard to take you seriously since you can't even discern that a post clearly addressed to Kola is not meant for you.) But, not to worry. I am really enjoying how my Asian arbitrator idea is buggin the shit out of you. Obviously, you just can't fathom the idea of somebody doing further research as to whether Cleopatra was black as Afro-Centrics claim, or whether she was a Greek from Alexandria as Euro-centrics claim. OK, Kola, you can chime in now. |
Abm
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Post Number: 3549
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Cynique,
<shakingmyhead>
THE END. |
Cynique
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Stop shaking your head, ABM. Your brains are scrambled enough. |
Kola
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Well, Cynique
---there were 5 Cleopatras
BUT the one that everybody talks about
all the time was MIXED RACE, ruled Egypt
at the age of 12 and WAS NOT....a beauty.
African people consider her to have
been black because MOST of her line
of ancestors were Black---but she was
part Greek and Macedonian as well.
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Kola
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Nefertiti, on the other hand
was not only Black
...but chocolate and was
considered a great beauty in
the mold of IMAN.
If you look past the 1 single
IVORY BUST that the Europeans
always and ONLY SHOW...you will see
that on her Royal Plates and in so
many other sculptures---she is clearly
and unmistakably a Black woman with
thick lips and very high cheekbones.
I hate the fact that there's an IVORY
BUST of "Martin Luther King, Jr." now
at the Hall of Leaders in the Queen's
Palace in ENGLAND.
Only his BUST is done in white IVORY
--some kind of stone.
The others are painted the color of
their flesh and more like wax figures.
Egypt's GREATEST QUEEN....Hatsepshut
was a big, fat Black woman in the mold
of Aretha Franklin and Oprah--described
as VERY BLACK with a thick, negroid nose
(her family was directly related to PUNT).
...which is why, with all her miraculous
accomplishments (she built Egypt's first
library--which became the world's greatest
library---and she ruled EGYPT....AS A MAN),
she gets...NO PRESS at all.
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Cynnique
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Back to square one. |
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