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Posted on Monday, June 13, 2005 - 03:52 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Jackson jury has verdict


Judge to announce verdict in Michael Jackson child molestation case at 1:30 p.m. PT



MJ

MJ

MJ

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Posted on Monday, June 13, 2005 - 03:55 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

My stomach is FULLL of butterflies---

because a very big part of me does not want Michael Jackson to go to prison.

And although I believe he's guilty of SOMETHING---I just don't believe this accuser and I despise the mother's history.

Michael needs his ass whipped for being a fool and for betraying our people.....but I am not convinced that he's a child molestor.

My INSTINCTS are just not picking it up.

There, I've said it.

BUT OF COURSE--we're all entitled to our opinions.



I COULD DEFINITELY BE WRONG.


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Posted on Monday, June 13, 2005 - 04:02 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Kola,

I know its BS for me to think/say: I don't want it to end like THIS for Michael Jackson.

<headshakin'>
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Posted on Monday, June 13, 2005 - 04:16 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I'm so tired of talking to this man. You all know that no matter what happens with this trial, he ain't right in the head. (Both.)

And part of that "ain't rightness" has to do with his...relationships with young boys. If he gets off (oops, oh well, stand by pun) then him and all y'all other supporters need to move to a deserted island where you can "share a bed" with unrelated children to your hearts' content.

***brushing hands of whole topic***

>>>...and turning on Z-trip remix of "I want you back"<<<
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Posted on Monday, June 13, 2005 - 04:20 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

'Vette,

Hey. What can I say?
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Posted on Monday, June 13, 2005 - 04:25 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Well, Yvette.

You're right.

I just feel VERY sad is all.

One thing you will learn about me---even when I claim to despise someone, as I do Michael Jackson-----it's because I love them so much.

I am very strange in this way.

I just know that I will cry and be very upset if Michael is sent to prison.

YES---he's a terrible fool, and as I said, he needs an ass kicking.

I guess he must pay for being such a fool.

But I am still not convinced that he's a child molester.



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Posted on Monday, June 13, 2005 - 04:31 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Honestly. I don't know what the h*ll to think. And don't even know if I WANT to know.
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Posted on Monday, June 13, 2005 - 05:18 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

OK Abm - I'll meet you at the airport so we can go and do an intervention for our boy. I can't go through this shyt again!
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Posted on Monday, June 13, 2005 - 05:21 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Well. He "beat it!"
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Posted on Monday, June 13, 2005 - 05:25 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Crystal,

Will do. And maybe we should take some loose/agressive (GROWN) women with us.

'Cause it's TIME Mike got turn on to the legit stuff.
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Posted on Monday, June 13, 2005 - 05:26 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

MICHAEL JACKSON AQUITTED ON ALL COUNTS:

(somehow, this too, is a tragedy)

By LINDA DEUTSCH, AP Special Correspondent
3 minutes ago



SANTA MARIA, Calif. - A jury acquitted Michael Jackson on Monday of molesting a 13-year-old cancer survivor at his Neverland ranch, vindicating the pop star who insisted he was the victim of mother-and-son con artists and a prosecutor with a vendetta.

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Jurors also acquitted him of conspiring to imprison his accuser and the boy's family at the storybook estate — a total legal victory but one that may do little to improve his bizarre image.

The verdict — reached after about 30 hours of deliberations over seven days — ended a star-studded, four-month trial that offered a global audience a lurid look into the weird world of Michael Jackson and presented jurors with vastly different portraits of him: a creepy pervert who preyed on little boys, or the victim of a frame-up by mother-and-son shakedown artists.

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Posted on Monday, June 13, 2005 - 05:27 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I just pray now


that he will STAY AWAY from children.

And now...I can go back to despising his sorry white self-hating ass.

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Posted on Monday, June 13, 2005 - 05:28 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Abm, I'll volunteer and maybe we can get Kola to go too.

Oh-oh, what have I done? Leave it alone Abm.
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Posted on Monday, June 13, 2005 - 05:30 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Kola: "And now...I can go back to despising his sorry white self-hating ass."
ABM: And, thus, all is indeed fair and whole again in Kola World.
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Posted on Monday, June 13, 2005 - 05:30 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"I just pray now that he will STAY AWAY from children."-Kola

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Posted on Monday, June 13, 2005 - 05:31 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Crystal,

Naw. Don't backtrack now. That sounds like a plan.

You and Kola should consider it a public service.
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Posted on Monday, June 13, 2005 - 05:36 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

ABM and Crystal, you're crazy.

You want ME to meet Michael Jackson?

I would spit in his face.

And I can't think of anything "grosser" than sleeping with his Pale, Bony, White lady-look'n ass.

YUCK






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Posted on Monday, June 13, 2005 - 05:37 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I just simply didn't believe he was guilty of these particular charges or that he's a child molester.

But I detest him.

And I hope he's smart enough to stay away from any and all kids.

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Michael is probably gassing up his private jet and preparing to leave the United States. Maybe he'll join Roman Pulanski in Europe. I'm with Kola. Although I think he did something in the past, I think the current case was a sham engineered by the boy's mother and I'm glad the jury saw through it. I'm just glad the jury was White and Latino so they can't "blame" it on black folks and minorities like they did during the O.J. fiasco.
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Posted on Monday, June 13, 2005 - 06:00 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

............big long sigh

The beat goes on.


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Posted on Monday, June 13, 2005 - 06:00 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I woulda voted GUILTY btw

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Posted on Monday, June 13, 2005 - 06:44 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I think Michael was guilty of thinking that rules didn't apply to him. But the toll this trial has taken on him and his reputation and his career is punishment enough. He probably should get castrated, because he obviously isn't interested in women, and he needs a little plastic surgery done on his balls to neutralize his interest in young boys.
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Posted on Monday, June 13, 2005 - 07:06 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Cynnique: He probably should get castrated,...

I think he already is. ;D
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Posted on Monday, June 13, 2005 - 07:24 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Yeah. Well, I'm glad he "beat it". So f@#$ all yawl!

And please Kola. Like you ain't done worse than Mike.

HAHA!
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Posted on Monday, June 13, 2005 - 07:51 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

No, ABM....not even Osama Bin Laden was worse than Mike.

I would choose Osama.

I don't like what Michael Jackson stands for.

I just pity him, because he's a victim...like me.








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Posted on Monday, June 13, 2005 - 07:54 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Kola,

You would choose BIN LADEN over Michael Jackson?

WOW!
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Posted on Monday, June 13, 2005 - 08:01 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

WELL, ABM,

that depends on the "context" you're talking about.

Which you have not devulged.

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Posted on Monday, June 13, 2005 - 08:02 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Let me just put it this way---

I could not be in a room with Michael Jackson.

I couldn't bear it.


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Posted on Monday, June 13, 2005 - 08:13 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Kola,

You got Michael Jackson behind Door #1 and Osama bin Laden behind Door #2. And Bob Barker says pick one.

Whom do you pick: A Thriller...or a Killer?
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Posted on Monday, June 13, 2005 - 08:19 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Pick for what?

To have sex with?

That's easy.

OSAMA


Shit

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Posted on Monday, June 13, 2005 - 08:21 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

You need to be A LOT more specific---because I feel you're asking me which would I choose to go to bed with if I was FORCED to choose one.



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Posted on Monday, June 13, 2005 - 09:16 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I am so happy I didnt engage in the Michael bashing. I knew Michael wasnt guilty and would be found innocent. I believe that Micheal is a big baby who looks at children as peers. I think we could have worse behavior from a man who pays for children to receive the best medical care money can buy. If I have a "problem" with Micheal is that I havent seen enough black children but that is no indicator as the press concentrates on these white boys. Michael is eccentric not a pervert. He grew up so very different than most children. He is only trying to recoupe some of his childhood and all this country wants to do is make him a freak.
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Posted on Monday, June 13, 2005 - 09:25 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Kola, I'm confused.

If you hate MJ so much, how come you didn't want him to go to prison?

Since you hate him, that would have gotten him out of public view.



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Lily, if Michael went to prison, there would still be a media circus. Everyone would talk about his sentence, his jail cell, is he getting special treatment. The list goes on and on. Remember the Martha Stewart fiasco? I believe we still live in a country where you're innocent until proven guilty, and a jury of Jackson's "peers" found him not-guilty. Nobody said justice was fair, they just say it's blind.
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Posted on Monday, June 13, 2005 - 10:50 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

LILY--

I don't want him to go to jail, because I was not convinced that he's guilty.

Just because I can't stand him doesn't mean I wish bad on him. I don't.

There are people who HATE Kola Boof.




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Posted on Monday, June 13, 2005 - 11:42 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Kola,

I wasn't referring ONLY to sex.

Still. I would think that on a whole Mike is preferable to bin Laden (or any other mass killers).

But then I'm not a woman or gay. So, really, what do I know.
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Posted on Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 02:13 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

ABM---

to me


SEX:

laying on a bed with Michael Jackson would be like holding SNOT and trying to kiss it.

Even when he was black--he's WAAAAYYYY too feminine for my tastes.

I like MANLY men. Which is why, although I love IMAN, I never could imagine being with her hubby, David Bowie. Uhn.

I could never be with PRINCE. Another girly-girl.

And both Michael and Prince HATE BLACK WOMEN anyway.

And you know my "mindset", I hate nigger men.

Give me Shabba Ranks anyday.

AS FOR OSAMA---he raped me and was more than a mental workout--a terror and a nighmare. He's NOT a good lover and his penis way too gigantic.

But that shows you how much I despise Jackson and am TURNED OFF by his appearance.




***I love Michael Jackson's MUSIC from 1970 up to THRILLER.



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Posted on Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 12:48 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Kola: "AS FOR OSAMA---he raped me and was more than a mental workout--a terror and a nighmare. He's NOT a good lover and his penis way too gigantic."
ABM: And yet you'd still take him over Mike?

Kola: "I like MANLY men. Which is why, although I love IMAN, I never could imagine being with her hubby, David Bowie. Uhn...I could never be with PRINCE. Another girly-girl."
ABM: Careful...Careful. You may offend some of your gay friends.
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Posted on Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 01:07 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Shabba Ranks?!! Kola, are you serious?

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Moonsigns,

I was thinking the EXACT same thing. But I left that alone 'cause I thought I might catch some Kola Drama about my not liking some ugly no-rappin' @$$ Jamacian or something.
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Posted on Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 01:41 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Let me get this straight.

You two could see me being attracted to Snot Prissy Prince and Michael Jackson

---but not virile, manly Shabba Ranks?

Do you have ANY IDEA how "ugly" M.J. and Prince are to me??????

I was just trying to posit someone from their ugly group who I find "fuckable".



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Posted on Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 01:52 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Kola,

Okay. I dig your revulsion of MJ. But what's you beef with Prince, other than he like his coffee latte?

Hell...his peewee @$$ is kinda 'light' himself.

And Shabba's can't rap!

Plus, I don't know, everytime I've seen Shabba dude's so dayam sweaty it appears his last name is quite apropos.
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ABM, I told you

---Prince is "butt ugly" to me and he looks like Liza Minnelli. And to me, HE looks funkier than Shabba with thongs up his ass and jungly armpits and a made up face like a dicksucker. He's ugly TO ME.

I used to love his music, though.



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Posted on Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 02:34 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Kola,

Do you realize that within just 40 words, you managed to insult:
@ Ugly people
@ Prince
@ Liza Minnelli
@ Shabba Ranks
@ Thong wearers
@ Foks au naturelle armpits
@ and Gay men

Now THAT's some rhetorical skill!
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I will be the first one to admit, Prince and MJ do nothing for me. Sexually, I don't find either of them attractive. However, Shabba Ranks is right there with them. To me, they are all absolutely frightening in appearance! That's a mean thing to write, but it's how I feel in my heart. If they were the last men on earth, seriously, I'd be celibate.

MJ can sing and dance.
Prince is a talented, dirty something.
Shabba is just....Shabba.

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LOL!!!!

Tell it, MOON.

Cause you ain't never lied, girl!

You see it just how I see it.

But given a choice between the 3----Shabba, at least acts like he likes pussy and looks like he doesn't have one, so he'd win by default.

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So Moony. Just curious: What brothah does it for you (other than Lambd)?

Kola: "Shabba, at least acts like he likes pussy..."
ABM: Keyword: "acts". In THAT business, yah NEVAH KNOW!

Kola: "...and looks like he doesn't have one..."
ABM: Now you're dead-right on THAT one. Cause the Good LAWD GOD wouldn't do something THAT cruel to a woman.
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Oh, ABM.

I'm sure MOON would go for you if she wasn't already married.

So go ahead. Stick your chest out.

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Kola,

No she wouldn't. I could fulfill primary criteria, no doubt. ;)

But I'm little to clever for her tastes (we all know how White girls like their brothahs).


Now what's that you want me to "stick" out?
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Kola,

It would turn into a mess REAL quick cause the whole thing would degenerate into Kunta-does-MissyAnne payback-for-slavery sex games and stuff.
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Kola,

Too funny about Shabba winning by default!!!!

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Nevertheless, I'd still be celibate--for sure.


SHABBBA.

Let me stop.
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MOON---

that warm water and lemon you prescribed WORKED LIKE A CHARM.

Also drinking the cranberry juice. But the warm water/lemon is WONDERFUL

TANKS A MILLION!




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Abm,

Leave Porkchop out of this. Please.

I think it's unfair to ask me what "kind" of "brother" does it for me. I'm married to ONE black man.
See, I've come to discover via personal experience that black men, in GENERAL, tend to have this idea in their head that if they encounter a white woman who is dating/married to a black man, she wants them all, or is attracted to ALL black men. Only speaking for myself and the ww I know, this just isn't true.

Now, I can be more specific as to certain, famous, black men that I find attractive. However, there is no real "type". Honey, there is the good, bad and ugly in every race/color.




Lastly (just have to write this), cut the jokes about the Kunta-does-MissyAnne-payback-for-slavery sex games and stuff." It's not funny--as the redemption of the brown/black woman's mind, body and soul will not come via the "black man" having intercourse with the "white woman". Typical for MAN to think that though.

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Kola,

Glad to "hear" the lemon water worked for you!!!! Nature is wonderful!

:-)
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Moonsigns, lemon water in the morning has always been a part of my morning regimen. It will definitely clean ya out !
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Read this all


THE MOTHER

Santa Maria (California), June 14:

Eight months ago, defence attorney Thomas A. Mesereau Jr. made a strategic move that may have provided the key to Michael Jackson’s court victory: He hired a new private investigator and told him to focus relentlessly on the accuser’s mother.

Scott Ross had worked on the Robert Blake defence, digging up unsavoury items about the actor’s murdered wife. The information allowed defence lawyers to argue that someone other than Blake, who was charged with killing her, had a motive. Moreover, the details gave jurors a reason to dislike the dead woman.

Mesereau wanted a repeat performance, and he gave his investigator a simple, blunt instruction, Ross recalled yesterday: “I want you to do to [the mother of the alleged victim] what you did to Bonny Lee Bakley.”

Yesterday, as the Jackson jurors talked about their deliberations, they made clear how well Mesereau’s strategy had succeeded.

“What mother in her right mind would… just freely volunteer your child to sleep with someone, and not so much just Michael Jackson but anyone, for that matter? That is something mothers are naturally concerned with,” said juror number 10, a forty-something mother in business attire.

Mesereau’s strategy triumphed. But ironically, it was a decision by prosecutors that made it possible.

Rather than file a narrow case against Jackson that would have turned on only the testimony of Jackson’s youthful accuser, Santa Barbara county district attorney. Tom Sneddon gambled that a broader indictment would have a greater chance of success. The indictment included a conspiracy charge centring on accusations that Jackson’s aides had conspired to kidnap the mother and keep her at Neverland, the star’s ranch.

“The prosecutor went for every strategic advantage. He thought he could broaden the case with the conspiracy charge,” said Loyola Law School professor Laurie Levenson. “By doing that, he made the mother the focus of the case, and it backfired on him.”

Analysts yesterday called Sneddon’s decision a fundamental miscalculation.

Because Sneddon put the mother on the stand, Mesereau was able to give the jury the allegations that Ross and other investigators had dug up: that the mother had committed welfare fraud, that she had lied in a previous civil suit, that she had left Neverland to get her legs waxed at precisely the time she later claimed she was being held at the ranch against her will.

“The mother was the weakest link in the case. She was walking, talking reasonable doubt,” said Levenson, a former federal prosecutor.


LOS ANGELES TIMES- WASHINGTON POST NEWS SERVICE
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Kola,

Notice they call it the legal profession...not the 'justice profession'.


Moony,

That was a clever, diplomatic avoidance of the question. But I understand.

You got your definition of "redemption" and I've got mine.
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Abm,

Just a few posts ago.....
"we all know how White girls like their brothahs"-Abm

Really? Being a WW yourself--teehee--seems you already have the answer YOU want.

What you THINK is a "clever, diplomatic aviodance of the question" is the truth about how I, as a WW, REALLY feel.

You're definitely correct about something, we both have our own definitions of what redemption is. Unfortunately, men run the world. Unfortunately, many men think just like you--"payback" comes at the expense of women being sexually exploited. And to think that the common denominator to many of our social ills is driven by the most irrational, senseless, and selfish "head" on the planet, THE PENIS. Wow. What a deep thought.

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Moonsigns:

ABM: ""...we all know how White girls like their brothahs"
Moony: "Really? Being a WW yourself--teehee--seems you already have the answer YOU want."
ABM: Of course I do. I just wanted to see whether you'd cop to it. Thanks for helping prove the obvious.

No one is innocent of the world. Some of us are evil. Some of us are 'its' mother.

And were it not for that relentlessly "irrational, senseless, and selfish 'head'", you self-righteous feminist/womanist tyepes would NOT be HERE to enjoy being vexing about such.
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Abm,

Considering the likelihood that the only relationships that you've had with with white women were PURELY sexual, I don't expect any other response than the one you gave.

You're right, no one is innocent. However, most social ills can be traced back to the foolish and fanatic beliefs of MEN. Period.

You're also right that if it weren't for men, women wouldn't be here. It's almost cruel.

So....because I disapprove of men exploiting women sexually to "pay back" one another, you declare me, as well as other women who think like me, as being "self-righteous", "feminist/womanist types" who "vex" about such issues. You can call me a feminist. You can rightfully say that I'm "vexed" by the thought pattern of a majority of men, especially when it comes to the ABUSE of women. However, calling me self-righteous is way off the map--though typical of MAN to think as such.















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Jackie,

Lemon water does clean ya out!!!!

Cheers!

:-)
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Moony,

Men and women are but different sides of the same entity.

We come from the same flesh, the same place. You cannot excuse yourselves from what we do, be it good or evil.

But you mischaracterize me.

I share many good relationships with White women that exclude our swapping groins.

And I only take what is freely offered unto me (and have even rejected much of such). There, for me, be no joy otherwise.

Every selfish, prurient inclination I've ever harbored for a woman has been met with female indulgence, not abhorrence.


And you would feel inclined to give me what I want even more than I'd be inclined to want it. That is where REAL pleasure lies.
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Damn, ABM.

That's cold.

I'm so glad that you take pity on me adoring you (and on your wife, too)---and don't abuse and hurt us, just because you could.

Somewhere, someplace--you MUST have a love (LOVE, not compassion) that supercedes your POWER and POSITION as a Great Lion.



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Kola,

There’s no pity here, done or due.

I am not kind because I choose to be. I am kind because I am made to be.

I am thus (in irony to this discussion) because of women: mother, grandmother, wife, daughters, aunts, kin and friends.

(And, Moonsigns, many of those friends have been White. :-))

So whenever I hear/read of men misusing/abusing women, to be honest, I ponder about the quality WOMEN that have been in their lives...not the men.

I could no more willfully injure a woman than I could myself.


And I’d never do a single thing of consequence with or to a woman that she didn’t at some point ask - if not implore - me to do.
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Kola,

But I am not sure I understand what you mean by "...you MUST have a love (LOVE, not compassion) that supercedes your POWER and POSITION as a Great Lion."
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That's OK, ABM, you already answered "Affirmatively".

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My friend....Columnist/Radio Talk Show Host ALICIA BANKS believes that Michael Jackson is GUILTY and has written a column about it on her popular (and always addictive) web site.

Check it out:
http://www.geocities.com/ambwww/mjfree.htm


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Btw: Speaking of luscious White women, I saw "Mr. & Mrs. Smith" lastnite.

That Angeline Jolie...DAYAM!

<shakingmyhead(s)>

I ain't saying it was right for Brad Pit to cheat on his wife. $#*+ just ain't right!

But I understand.
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There are quite a few wonderful columns at Alicia's web site---very profound and controversial, her ideas---which although we often DON'T AGREE, is why we're such good friends.

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Kola,

So Alicia's dedication to (/infatuation with) Janet kept her righteous indignation in check about MJ until this point.

Hmmmmmm? Interesting...'
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LMAO

****Go read my ESSAY proposal for you AND Cynique in the "Baldwin" thread.

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Kola,

Done.
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ABM...

Alicia has actually met Janet Jackson when her cousin was one of Janet's backup dancers on her VELVET ROPE tour.


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Hmmmmmmm? So she's actually "met" Ms. Jackson.

Interesting...'


Btw: I'm reading you friend's essay. Lisa's a bit self-congratulatory...Don'tcha think?
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TALK ABOUT A POWERFUL ESSAY about Michael Jackson and the trial!!!

http://www.geocities.com/ambwww/mjfree.htm

WOW!!!!

I just actually read the whole thing.

WHEW




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Yes, she's hung out with Janet a few times.

Jayne Kennedy, too---A LOT.

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Kola,

You may be impressed. But I'm tempted to do a hatchet-job on it. But in honor of her being your friend, if prefer, I'll abstain.

It's your call.
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Oh I'd love to read your hatchet job.

LOL

I always look for BOTH your opinions on things.

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ABM, I wasn't saying that I totally agree with Alicia.

I was praising the WRITING.

That's just a damn well-written essay---quick and to the point, but with many insights and technical twists, really flowing and just emotional enough to be MEMORABLE.

Excellent writing.

I LOVE her writing and her columns are always BANG'n.

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Kola,

What follows is in response to Alicia Bank's essay.


First. Maybe you foks in LaLa Land have different dictionaries than those most other people use. Because if this is intended to be a "dedication" to Janet, I'd hate to observe an estrangement.

Your friend Alicia is a bit vainglorious to say the least.

"I was revered as a superior defense attorney..." Really? Without a jurisprudence degree?

"I decided to become a legendary and cerebral radio talk show host." HAHA! Can there really such a thing?

Honestly, I've been looking for the section where she describes how she walked on water and parted the Red Sea (and, no, I'm not referring to one of her kinkier sex tricks).

She makes sweeping generalizations about assorted issues without tendering a shred of support (None of what she cites proves Mike to be a child molester.). And she does so in tritely predictable ways. Come on with the Amerikkka, "just us" tripe already!

The more Alicia exclaims her loathing for the legal profession and her happiness about not becoming an attorney, the more she sounds like someone who's hoping if she says something enuff maybe even SHE will begin to believe it.

MJ’s exoneration won’t affect the lives of Blacks one iota. The judge, jury, defense counsel and prosecutors were all WHITE. So how/why should/will Black foks catch any flak for this?

And Alicia makes these bizarre lapses and leaps of logic and chronology.

She spent her entire youth expecting to become an attorney. Yet she decides at 20 the law is evil. YET it takes another 4 years of her to avow not to attend law school. And she decided that based on, as best I could tell, Al Pacino's performance in "And For Justice All"?

Also, why'd it take her 4 years to go from hating law to swearing off practicing it? Was this her 80's slacker phase or something?

And Mike Tyson’s biting off Evander Holyfield ear does NOT in ANY way prove him to be a rapist. That proves him to be a CANNIBAL.



PS: I’d sure like to “morph into” me some Naomi Campbell mydayamself. Though not in the manner to which Alicia refers to. ;)
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LMAO!!!!

this is hilarious.

Of course, she's my pal, so I have to temper a response.

LOL


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**Alicia was the first openly gay radio D.J. in Atlanta and won her time slot 5 years straight, history-making, you know
LOL


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Kola: "Alicia was the first openly gay radio D.J. in Atlanta and won her time slot 5 years straight..."
ABM: WOW! How'd she achieve that? By performing cunningulus on some of her on-air guests?
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Just wanted to say MJ's brother with the curly permed hair is the sweetest man on earth:-). He's just been there for his little brother and I think that's just sweet, lol. They talk alike too, all dem siblings, lol.
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Abm,

Men and Women are both human beings. However, we have different energies and principles, that when governed properly, compliment one another. Unfortunately, many people, both male and female, do not "train" their children properly. Therefore, I, without reservation, can "excuse" myself from the evil that men do--especially when they are not my own male children that I didn't train.

I definitely believe that people of various races/colors can have meaningful relationships, however, I think most of these relationships tend to be quite "surface." Now, I'm no one to judge you and how you REALLY think. From what I have read here though, I sense that with the WW you have say you have "good" relationships with, I'm sure you think they want you in some kind of way....that they are "curious" about you.


"And you would feel inclined to give me what I want more than I'd be inclined to want it."-Abm

Considering that we don't know one another outside this forum, a comment like that simply holds no weight. That is just plain arrogant--and proably rooted in some serious, stereotypical thought pattern.




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Moonsigns,

It should be pretty obvious that I'm not blaming you PERSONALLY for crimes that have been committed by other foks children (Though, THAT sounds very similar to what A LOT of White's attempt to do to excuse themselves from bearing responsibility for hate/racism perpetuated by other Whites.).

I'm speaking in a macroscopic sense. Men are born to and often primarily nursed/bred/raised by WOMEN. I don't think you can separate that aspect of our acculturation from some of the wrongs that some of us commit.

And, yes, I (OBVIOUSLY) am "arrogant".

However, if you read for comprehension (and not simply for the purposes of debating) you MIGHT understand I simply mean that I'd only do to you (or any other woman) ONLY what you'd profoundly WANT me to do to you. And NOTHING more.

Where’s the “stereotypical thought pattern” here?


And, btw: Some of the WW you refer to have been blessed enough to be more than just "curious". ;)
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Abm,

I don't feel as if you're blaming me (personally) for crimes that have been committed by other people's children. I understand your point regarding men being "nursed/bred/raised" by women, therefore, I will say there is a fine line between taking responsibility for other's INaction regarding their parental duties, compared to owning my faults and accomplishments as a mother.

I'm glad you clarified your point about doing to women ONLY what they have allowed you to do.


"However, if you read for comprehension (and not simply for the purposes of debating) you MIGHT understand I simply mean......." -Abm

Next time, Abm, you don't have to get so "smart"....thanks :-)


Regardless of what you share, I still feel you view ww, especially those who are willing to date/marry interracially, with stereotypical thought patterns. Just a feeling I guess.

"And, yes, I (OBVIOUSLY) am "arrogant."-Abm

At least you can admit it. I don't know if that makes you less of a piggy or not?! What more can I say?

You're a trip.

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Moonsigns,

I don't think we're disagreeing. But I want to make the point that if you show me a kind man, I think there's a better than even chance I can show you his kind mother.

I admit I have SOME stereotypical views about WW (as I'm sure I have such about BW). But in TOO many instances, I've observed my stereotyping validated.

I have on NUMEROUS occassions had women plead me into their beds PRIMARILY because they were hell-bent on boning a Black dude.

And that's kinda difficult for BW to compete with.

Because not only is she competing with the iconography of the WW within the BM. She's competing with iconography of the BM within the WW.

To a BW, a BM is just a man, warts and all. But to SOME WW, at least early in their IR dating, a BM is some life objective or quest.

And, NO, I am NOT referring to ALL WW. And am not sure how many qualifies as such.

Still. I'll also say this: I think it is ENTIRELY possible for BM and WW and WM and BW (and any other such combinations) to have authentic, committed relationships and marriages. And I'd NEVER intrude upon anyone endeavoring to pursue such.


I'll try, difficult that it may be to appear a little less..."smart". The "piggy" thing, though, you'll have to learn to live with.

*OINK!SNORT!OINK!*

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