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Abm
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Post Number: 3173
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"NAACP's S.C. Boycott Having Little Impact
By ALLEN G. BREED
Associated Press Writer
June 3, 2005, 3:18 PM EDT
MYRTLE BEACH, S.C. -- If Crystal Hunt and Marquita Jackson were looking to draw attention, they succeeded. Wolf whistles and honking horns followed the bikini-clad duo as they strutted down Ocean Boulevard.
Hunt was wearing a red-white-and-blue Confederate battle flag wrap over her white two-piece, Jackson a bra bearing the familiar diagonal blue cross and white stars co-opted by the Ku Klux Klan. You could say the two black women were thumbing their noses at the NAACP's 5-year-old boycott of South Carolina except for one thing: Neither of the 21-year-old North Carolina women had any idea there even was a boycott…"
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/wire/sns-ap-naacp-boycott,0,33059 4,print.story?coll=sns-ap-nation-headlines
Apparently, Black South Carolinians have tired of or forgotten about the boycott the NAACP had imposed on their state a few years ago in defiance of the Confederate Flag being flow atop SC’s state capitol building.
The flag has since been moved from atop the capitol building to another area of the capitol. But NAACP won’t lift the boycott until it has been completely removed from state premises.
What do you think?
You support the continuation of the boycott?
Or has the NAACP taken this matter beyond the point of relevance and importance?
PS: The most obvious question that was NOT really asked/answered in this article: "What would motivate 2 young BLACK women to seductively brandish confederate and Klan insignia to advertise a BLACK event?" |
Kola
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PS: The most obvious question that was NOT really asked/answered in this article: "What would motivate 2 young BLACK women to seductively brandish confederate and Klan insignia to advertise a BLACK event?"
ANSWER: "They're Southerners."
And if they're THAT YOUNG...chances are they don't really identify with the "history" behind those items and as well, since they didn't know about the NAACP boycott, there's a good chance they aren't well read.
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NO.....I neither support the boycott or have any faith in the NAACP, who to me is the most irrevelant group of do-nothings in the U.S.
They need to close it down and open back up Marcus Garvey's QUITE RELEVANT group that really was for the Black People and was DEFINITELY of the "do-something" sort.
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Abm
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Post Number: 3174
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, June 06, 2005 - 04:00 pm: |
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Kola: "They need to...open back up Marcus Garvey's QUITE RELEVANT group that really was for the Black People and was DEFINITELY of the "do-something" sort."
ABM: You mean the same outfit who (allegedly) scammed millions from Blacks throughout the country with promises of a one-way trip to Africa that was never tendered? |
Abm
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Post Number: 3175
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, June 06, 2005 - 04:03 pm: |
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Kola,
I agree the NAACP appears to have in recent years gone astray from much of the most basic, urgent issues/concerns of Blacks. But I think all tallied, the NAACP has honorably, if not always effectively, asserted the interests of African Americans. |
Babygirl
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"What would motivate 2 young BLACK women to seductively brandish confederate and Klan insignia to advertise a BLACK event?"
ANSWER: "They're Southerners."
Being from the South, I don't care how "young" you may be, you grow up knowing and fully understanding the history behind the Confederate flag and the klan insignia. This may not be true in other areas, but its more in your face here in the South. What I've learned from the youth in our area, black and white, is that they are refusing to give those symbols any power or to allow the display of them to have any meaning other than being some color on some fabric. It is my son's opinion, and he is 17, that those young black women wearing those items as garments was more of a statement and an insult to those persons who stand behind the hatred those items represent. They desecrated what some consider to be a sacred symbol and in effect were thumbing their noses at the confederate flag wavers and klansmen more so than the NAACP.
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Cynnique
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I agree with your son, Babygirl. The younger generation thumbs its nose at traditions and taboos. And in this case, I appreciate the sacrilege shown the confederate flag. |
Kola
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I agree with your son, Babygirl.
That makes a lot of sense and sounds like something I would do.
I spent a great deal of my growing up in Virginia and both my parents and Nana were DEEP southerners.
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Abm
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BG,
If that is indeed their view about the matter, I applaud it and them. And in concept, I agree.
Though...
That's much EASIER to think/do when you've NOT witnessed such insignia proudly waving late at night outside your home with a giant burning cross in tow.
But thanks GOD they are far enough for such for that to really matter.  |
Babygirl
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Sadly, ABM, they're witnessing more than some realize. We're not far from a "larger" Southern community reeling from "persons unknown" having burned three crosses just this past week. There have been town meetings with some decrying their outrage while other's applaud the superiority of the white race and count how many times they can fit the N-word into a sentence. And I've lost count of the pastors and NAACP reps who have preached on the ills of racism since the events happened. These kids are witnessing the best and worst of it.
They readily deal with neighbors who proudly drape the confederate flag over their pickup trucks as they ride through town decrying what's wrong with this non-white world. And let someone's blue-eyed, blond daughter show up at the prom with one of our young black sons and it's the talk of the town for days. I love to just stand in the post office to hear the comments. And the bulk of the outrage is coming from much "older" generations who are bemoaning the insults to their bright white way while these kids are laughing at their absurdity, not giving a rat's ass if the adults like it or not.
But even my child will admit that if what they do makes a positive political or social statement then that's well fine and good, but if it means pissing off us parents and going against any adult perspective, then for them, that's even better because they are not interested in rallying behind our traditions and taboos. |
Abm
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Post Number: 3181
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, June 06, 2005 - 08:40 pm: |
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BG,
There's something to be said for questioning, even defying ol' traditions/taboos. 'Course, there's always that chance you'll throw the baby out with the bathwater.
I wouldn't presume to dictate what your child and his/her peers do and do not think/do.
But if/when they do something new, ask them 'why'. And if they say because they want to do something different from what's always been done, then ask them...'why'. |
Kola
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I would add that the VISION problem with blacks and whites addressing/fighting RACISM
...is their idealistic ignoring of an even more dangerous and pathological threat to black people and that is...intra-racism, which is the disease that results in the victims of Pro-longed institutional racism.
I recently read a brilliant analysis of that effect by a JEWISH SCHOLAR studying the internal hate of Jews after the Holocaust of the 1940's and how it virtually wiped out the Jewish American community. I will post some of those articles someday to show the contrast and how the JEWS in America became so blue eyed and blond haired that the Jews of Israel were forced.....to proclaim them "Non-Jews".
The baby really was thrown out with the bathwater.
And BABYGIRL might also want to consider this article by Rebecca Walker whose mother, Alice Walker, married a White Civil Rights Lawyer in MISSISSIPPI back when it was ILLEGAL to intermarry.
Rebecca has not been too celebratory of the "WHY", as you pointed out ABM:
http://www.thumperscorner.com/discus/messages/2152/4880.html?1113862966
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Abm
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Post Number: 3183
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Kola,
Don't get me wrong. I think developing new points of emphasis and perspective are natural, healthy corollaries of human discovery and evolution.
It's just that how do you make/maintain a community, a society...a culture when the children are hellbent on destroying what their parents built?
And, worse, to do so in way that figuratively spits in the face of their predecessors?
And how our THEY then going to breed any preferable skills/standard THEIR children? How will they know what to do when they've done the opposite?
'Course, maybe that won't be important to them. So that won't matter.
<shruggingshoulders>
PS: You think Alice Walker marriage was predicated as much on her attempting to effect some desired sociological result as it was on love? |
Kola
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Post Number: 1272
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ABM,
Alice Walker has long ADMITTED that the major "priorities" and "factors" of her marriage had less to do with "love" than to do with exactly what BabyGirl was talking about, wanting to spit in the face of traditions/taboos coupled with a hearty anger against the cruelties she'd witnessed in black men towards black women throughout her life------and has even "hinted" that she herself had some colorist streaks to her own 1966 character.
Of course, Alice ended up a triumphant lesbian feminist, occasionally paired with men......and the white Jewish husband ended up married to a nice Jewish girl and LIVING in lily white Larchmont, N.Y.
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While I myself COULD marry a white man---and have enjoyed relationships with white men, including 5 years with a Jewish man..........I simply feel that there's a place inside of me that NO MAN but a BLACK ONE can get to and can understand.
Not just Sudanese black men. But black men from ANYWHERE, I've learned, have the ability to truly KNOW ME and to fulfill me----and ONLY THEY can do it.
I had to ACCEPT that.
Because I have notorious anger and rage at black men.
And yet...I am obsessed with loving and being loved by them.
Because I now realize that we are two halves of the same thought.
It has nothing to do with being AGAINST men of other races or the IR life---
---but the more I've grown to love myself...the more I've automatically loved and valued black men and felt an INSTANT...affinity with them.
Also, as an African who has lived ALL OVER the world....I found that it's a fact.......that "negritude" is REAL between blacks.
They may speak different languages, be different gradations of color, live in totally different environments....and yet the moment you set eyes on another black person.....you are HOME and you feel it, even when they are mean, hostile and unwelcoming...that, too.....is part of your HOME and is very different from the same treatment from Whites/Others.
Because I have traveled the world and not been afraid to truly SEE what I am seeing.....I COMPLETELY disagree with the Americans on "race".
I am going to write a book about it.
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Abm
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Post Number: 3187
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, June 06, 2005 - 09:57 pm: |
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Kola,
I definitely agree there seems this innate recognition of "home" amongst Black foks. That's why, although I don't decry/castigate Black men marrying non-Black women, I don't quite 'understand' it. Because I wonder whether/how they go totally 'there' with their women.
Then, I think, well, maybe that's as much a function of my background/upbringing as much as it is my color. |
Kola
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No, ABM...
just as "negritude" implies...it goes far beyond CULTURE and Shared Space....it goes directly.....to COLOR, race, hair texture,
it's real....and no matter what SAME THINGS an interracial couple has shared, there are still infinitely more profound realities (the kind we don't talk about) that they will have in common with people who LOOK like them.
Ditto two chocolate skinned nappy haired people with wide noses....when placed with light skinned wavy haired BLACK people with skinny noses. There are things internal to the experiences that are based SOLELY on looks and that bond or separate based on that.
Have you ever come across a group of people---say 6 whites and 1 single black----
and the black one INSTANTLY avoids eye contact or recognition with you.....
because something "deeper" will transpire EVEN if you don't talk to one another, and it ALWAYS does despite the avoidance---in fact, the avoidance HEIGHTENS it...
...the negritude, the knowing without knowing that instantly BONDS you two by the same force. Africans even believe that it's your ancestors on both sides--looking into the lake of one's own reflection--calling out by spirit.
Blacks do not experience this with others and often feel EMBARRASSED by it and even become rude to designate, prove in front of the 6 whites that they are INDEPENDENT of "shared blackness".
And others..such as Chinese, Koreans, Indians and Europeans ALSO express the same "feeling" with THEIR people.
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Kola
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Post Number: 1275
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ABM:
That's why, although I don't decry/castigate Black men marrying non-Black women, I don't quite 'understand' it. Because I wonder whether/how they go totally 'there' with their women.
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KOLA:
Many black people like Michael Jackson and O.J. Simpson have demonstrated....that they want to RUN as far away from their people's STIGMA ("stain") as they can possibly get.
They can love their people better...as long as they don't have to BE ONE of them.
And that's why in places like America and South Africa....it's so much harder to detect "real authentic interracial love"....because there is the epidemic of self-hate overwhelming the society.
As well, "Racism" and "White Supremacy" have created an intermediate STATUS area....the "mixed race/mulatto" area....which is like living in a mansion as opposed to having an apartment. The lighter skinned person aquires STATUS by colorism and a Black Person who marries a White Person....instantly aquires social STATUS.
White/lightness represents Wealth, Success and Superior Class and Intelligence.
Blackness represents Poverty, Criminality, Carnality, Stupidity and Inferior beginnings.
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Abm
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Post Number: 3189
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Kola,
I know what it is you speak of. And will at admit that early in career/business dealings, I on occassion was the timid, solitary negro you speak of.
Though, sometimes the shared blackness can overwhelm the situation in surprising ways.
I remember once travelling with group a White/Asian women on business in New Orleans. I'm sure I was doing the subconscious negro sublimation routine with them most of the time we were together.
Then, my best friend flew into town to hang out with me for the weekend.
This is a guy I've known since I was 9 years old. There's NO pretense there.
Well, we were smiling, hugging, "What's up my n*%%@., etc. like crazy"
I guess all the brotherhood exchanges between us were so enthralling to those chicks, they were crawling all over us the entire weekend. |
Kola
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Post Number: 1277
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No, they were crawling all over you two because they were envious of the "black lake" that only you two can inhabit...and wanted to experience it VICARIOUSLY through you.
There's a wonderful scene in Morrison's novel "PARADISE" when the Outside Woman, who wants so desperately to penetrate the reality of her man, bites into the Inside Man's ear---drawing blood---and suddenly, their whole LOVE dies right there between them.
Because he realizes that he can't die...so that she can live.
And EVERYONE, ABM, wants to be "black".
That's why they degrade and oppress us. Out of jealousy.
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Abm
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Kola,
Famed, Pulitzer Prize winning movie critic Roger Ebert said in a review of "The Cotton Club" (Richard Gere, Gregory/Maurice Hines) that the movie skirted it's true message: That every Middle class White man wishes he were Black.
Because I was very young when I read that I remembered being astonished not only by the notion of that but that it was being admitted by a WHITE man.
But, considering that Ebert's married to a BLACK woman, perhaps it shouldn't be much a surprise that he'd concede that after all. |
Cynnique
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A Pulitzer prize does not an infallible person make. Ebert's "opinion" on this matter was surely just that; an opinion. What in this movie led Ebert to draw the conclusion that any middle-aged white man, other than himself, wanted to be a black man????? The fact that black men can tap dance??? |
Abm
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Post Number: 3208
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Cynique,
You are right: Ebert's scoring a Pulitzer does NOT make either him or his opinion "infallible". |
roXie
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Maturity doesn't always catch up with age. I'm almost 23, (not much older than those girls) and knowing how many were murdered under that flag I'd love to burn every one given the chance. |
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