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Mahoganyanais
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Username: Mahoganyanais
Post Number: 517
Registered: 01-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, June 01, 2005 - 01:08 am: | 
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http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2005/05/27/ster eotyping_black_men/ |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 3116
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, June 01, 2005 - 02:04 pm: |
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Mah,
I think the most relevant, telling issue communicated in this article was "the 15-year-old is the second-highest spender on his wardrobe, $368." although, as the article also says "The 15-year-old black boy, too young to hold down a full-time job or college internship."
We can (and often do) argue the relative virtue/demerits of dressing like a well-manicured prisoner ad nauseam.
But what I consider most destructive about how this young man (and millions more young AA's) dress is that so much is being spent on something with such little value.
Moreover, it's mostly non-Blacks who are scoring wealth from our communal improvidence. |
Mahoganyanais
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Username: Mahoganyanais
Post Number: 519
Registered: 01-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, June 01, 2005 - 02:10 pm: |
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Amen, ABM.
When I was in NYC this weekend on the subway, I saw some young guys, black Latinos, and they'd all scored pairs of brand-new Nikes from the looks of their shopping bags. They spoken Spanish so I could only gather bits and pieces of their conversation, but I found myself wondering what their source of income was, what percentage of it went to buy those sneakers, and so on. For all I know, they could have been gainfully employed, but the fact is, lack of a job isn't stopping young black males OR females from flossing--at a price they can't even conceive of. And too often, that price goes well beyond money. |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 3118
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, June 01, 2005 - 02:22 pm: |
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Mah,
I appreciate our youth wanting to look good. But when I hear our myriad complaints about the chance/opportunities that are denied us, I can't help thinking about how so much better off we might be if did NOT spend so much more for beauty maintenance, clothing and other things that don't sustain any real/marketable/transferable value.
But I want to be fair/clear: This spendthrift spirit runs rampant through ALL strata of AA's, not just our poor. On average, affluent Blacks as well spend more for depreciating goods/services than others.
We ALL overspend. And we ALL suffer as a consequence of such. |
Kola
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Username: Kola
Post Number: 1210
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, June 01, 2005 - 02:33 pm: |
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You're right ABM.
Because I refuse to let Lambd pay for dinner, although he insists that he should pay for the date.
But I just don't like that feeling when men pay for everything. I feel as though I owe something after that, you know.
He's still trying to resist, but I'm TREATING.
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So yeah, I find myself overspending as I could be saving big dough if I'd let these guys pay for everything.
***Just had to talk about MYSELF****
Big Ham that I Yam.
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Mahoganyanais
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Username: Mahoganyanais
Post Number: 521
Registered: 01-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, June 01, 2005 - 02:37 pm: |
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ABM: We ALL overspend. And we ALL suffer as a consequence of such.
Again, let the chutch say, "AMEN!" |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 3120
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, June 01, 2005 - 02:40 pm: |
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Kola: "But I just don't like that feeling when men pay for everything. I feel as though I owe something after that, you know."
ABM: Yeah. And, all bvII$#*+ aside, that's how most MEN feel too. (Especially those silly enuff to use "Lambd" as an Internet moniker...Hehe!). So make sure you take your pocket book witcha! |
Yvettep
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Username: Yvettep
Post Number: 378
Registered: 01-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, June 01, 2005 - 02:42 pm: |
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''I'm the highest-ranking black man at UCLA," said Gilliam, who is an associate vice chancellor. ''When I wear my suit in the campus parking lot, everyone is polite to me and knows me. When I change into workout clothes and go out for exercise, the same people I just walked past don't recognize me and don't speak to me. When I go out of context, I become invisible."
Yup yup. I know this feeling/experience.
However, whenever I find myself making the same lament (most often to myself) I catch myself, and ask: "Well, what would I have folks do?" In other words, sometimes my objection seems to be "How dare people treat me this way"--treat me.
What I should really feel bad about is that any Black woman in jeans, sneakers, and unironed, untucked man's oxford shirt should be treated like a potential shoplifter just by virtue of her dress and skin color--regardless of whether she's a middle class graduate student who just had to throw on some clothes to run out and buy an emergency birthday gift, or a Black woman on welfare wearing thrift store wardrobe...
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Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 3122
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, June 01, 2005 - 02:49 pm: |
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'Vette,
MY sentiments EXACTLY. We shouldn't fall into the trap of supporting bias against ourselves and others just because of how we might be dressed at one particular moment. |
Kola
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Username: Kola
Post Number: 1212
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, June 01, 2005 - 03:18 pm: |
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Now you KNOW! I agree.
I get so tired of these people not understanding why I have to pray with no top on or appear on the books that way.
They can accept me in NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC....>>with flies coming out of my mouth and droopy tits<<....But not in an attractive, flattering light.
Especially we BLACKS are conditioned to reject...or even become HOSTILE towards "positive" images of the indigenous African mother.
SAYS VOLUMES.
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CLEAVAGE.
Woman: "Why does she have to show all that cleavage?"
WELL...here's the reality.
It's 92 degrees on a hot summer EAST COAST day, the HUMIDITY is killer---
I have BIG TITS that can sweat and make wet spots in my "GOwn" if I don't provide AIR for them.
It's not always about being sexy---often, the problem for a WOMAN speaking long periods in heat with big chests is that she needs to be COOL.
BUT....people make assumptions about WHY you have so much cleavage.
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One more point...
I never go dressed in "African garb" to a book affair---no kinte cloths or Sultanic robes for me----and the people act like I'm NOT DRESSED!
We never say "HOTEP" in Egypt, but they all are saying "Hotep, sister, Hotep!" and got the word AFRICA blazed in GOLD on a chain with red, green and black.
ABM and Yvette and Mahogany, You're right---people attach a LOT to how you're dressed.
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Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 3126
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, June 01, 2005 - 03:35 pm: |
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Kola: "It's not always about being sexy---often, the problem for a WOMAN speaking long periods in heat with big chests is that she needs to be COOL."
ABM: I wonder whether the Sunset Strip hookers have tried to use THAT one when wary cop drive up along side of them. |
Libralind2
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Post Number: 99
Registered: 09-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, June 01, 2005 - 06:47 pm: |
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Abm..? You are so bad..
Kola..Im so jealous of your cleavage. I would trade....::thinking::well I cant think of anything..LOL
LiLi |
Kola
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Username: Kola
Post Number: 1217
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, June 01, 2005 - 07:30 pm: |
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Thanks Lili.
My face really doesn't look like that--but I people catch me looking so odd in pictures.
I don't think I'm very photogenic for that reason.
YES--ABM is double bad!!
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Cynnique
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Well, you know what the say: "Clothes make the man." And, of course, there's a lot of support for the idea that women dress for each other. Personally, I tend to cast a leery eye at men who are overly concerned with their sartorial splendor. I like the understated look. As for women, I love to miff label-conscious clothes horses by telling them I got what they've complimented me on, on sale at the 50% off table at some department store. (And I usually ain't lying.) |
Yvettep
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Username: Yvettep
Post Number: 381
Registered: 01-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, June 01, 2005 - 09:34 pm: |
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My grandmother used to hide money in her cleavage. She'd always prompt me to do the same, saying you never knew when you'd have to slap some frisky man and end up taking a cab home.
(At the time she first started telling me this, I wouldn't have even been able to hide bus fare in my cleavage!) |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 3134
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, June 01, 2005 - 09:58 pm: |
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'Vette: "My grandmother used to hide money in her cleavage. She'd always prompt me to do the same, saying you never knew when you'd have to slap some frisky man and end up taking a cab home."
ABM: Or have some convenient cash on hand to play tuck-a-buck with some cute Chippendale strippers at your girlfriend's bachelorette party. |
Kola
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Username: Kola
Post Number: 1222
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, June 01, 2005 - 10:02 pm: |
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Why ABM...
you militant Anti-Sexism activist with the SNIDE remarks, LOL
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Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 3137
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, June 01, 2005 - 10:08 pm: |
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Kola,
I'd NEVER lie about not being sexist. THAT's pretty obvious. But I'm not sexist in the way that would deny a women a gig or a loan. I'm sexist in the way that will play and flirt with you because you're a girl. |
Kola
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Username: Kola
Post Number: 1224
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, June 01, 2005 - 10:46 pm: |
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You're harmless ABM.
Just like Malcolm.
You LOVE women and girls as human beings.
I only tease you, King.
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Mahoganyanais
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Username: Mahoganyanais
Post Number: 523
Registered: 01-2005
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, June 01, 2005 - 11:21 pm: |
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Vette: My grandmother used to hide money in her cleavage. She'd always prompt me to do the same, saying you never knew when you'd have to slap some frisky man and end up taking a cab home.
Mah: Yep. Mad money we called it.
Girl, you took me back! My grandmother used to stash an entire change purse in her bra. |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 3141
Registered: 04-2004
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Kola: "You LOVE women and girls as human beings."
ABM: And pin-up models too...when I'm especially lonely. |
Yvettep
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Post Number: 385
Registered: 01-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, June 02, 2005 - 09:41 am: |
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Mah, "mad money"--YUP, that's exactly what she called it!!! LOL! Now when I say to my husband that I'm taking out some $ from the ATM for "mad money" he looks at me like I'm crazy!
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Yahawah_da
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Registered: 06-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 01:06 pm: |
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