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Kola
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Post Number: 1080
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 - 01:46 pm: | 
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Due to a discussion with ABM, I'm posting this VERY chilling Egyptian newspaper article from 2003 that ENCOURAGES "honor killing".
I am half Egyptian and they actually mention me in the article as a "daughter of Egypt" who should be killed.
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MAINTAINING FAMILY HONOR
by Al Skudsi bin Hookah, roving reporter and foreign correspondent for The Gaza Gajeera.
Jan 20, 2003
I am very unhappy. Our way of life is under attack. And we are not fighting back. Deep down, we know that when a woman has disgraced her family, nothing will restore honor except by killing her. This is understood in Jordan, Syria, Yemen, Lebanon, Egypt, the Gaza strip and the West Bank. So why are we Arabs telling the Western press that honor killing is cultural, that it is not really part of Islam? Our way of life is based on maintaining our honor. And make no mistake about it: a woman does tarnish her family's honor by engaging in pre-marital sex, or by getting herself raped, when she seeks divorce and when she marries against her family's wishes.
Why are we pussyfooting? Are we ashamed of what we do? Why are some of us trying to play it down? Like the people who say it's the same as battering women in America. Come on, now. Sometimes, when we correct a wife's behavior by a well-deserved beating, we can maybe go a little too far. But that's different. Or there's this guy, Mohammed Haz Yahya at the Hebrew University (wouldn't you know it), who makes believe killing to protect our honor is like the western world's crime of passion. Come on now.
It's not just religious leaders who know it's the right thing to do. Many of the most progressive political leaders are the ones who defend the practice. To maintain the integrity of our society and our traditions, we must maintain our honor by any and every means. And keeping our women pure is a big part of our honor. So there's no point saying honor killing isn't really part of our religion. Our religion isn't just what's in the Koran. Honor killings fit into the cultural context of today's Islamic teachings. Honor and Islam are inextricably bound; they are what give our life meaning. A strong religion demands we choose to maintain our honor.
I am also annoyed that news reports focus on gory details instead of showing compassionate understanding of what motivated the men who act vigorously to maintain honor. They are the real victims. Their honor was violated, so killing the offending woman is self-defense. Instead, like in this story, reporters graphically describe the damage done by the ax -- of course an ax is going to do damage. Listen to this:
" Two months ago, when she tried to run away yet again, Kina grabbed a kitchen knife and an ax and stabbed and beat the girl [his daughter] until she lay dead in the blood-smeared bathroom of the family's Istanbul apartment. He then commanded one of his daughters-in-law to clean up the mess. When his two sons came home from work 14 hours later, he ordered them to dispose of the 5-foot-3 corpse, which had been wrapped in a carpet and a blanket. The girl's head had been so mutilated, police said, it was held together by a knotted cloth."
And this:
"Kifaya Husayn, a 16-year-old Jordanian girl, was lashed to a chair by her 32-year-old brother. He gave her a drink of water and told her to recite an Islamic prayer. Then he slashed her throat. Immediately afterward, he ran out into the street, waving the bloody knife and crying, 'I have killed my sister to cleanse my honor.' Kifaya's crime? She was raped by another brother, a 21-year-old man. Her judge and jury? Her own uncles, who convinced her eldest brother that Kifaya was too much of a disgrace to the family's honor to be allowed to live. The murderer was sentenced to fifteen years, but the sentence was subsequently reduced to seven and a half years, an extremely severe penalty by Jordanian standards."
This one is better. At least the reporter focused on why the brother had to kill his sister.
A 25-year-old Palestinian who hanged his sister with a rope: "I did not kill her, but rather helped her to commit suicide and to carry out the death penalty she sentenced herself to. I did it to wash with her blood the family honor that was violated because of her and in response to the will of society that would not have had any mercy on me if I didn't . . . Society taught us from childhood that blood is the only solution to wash the honor."
And here, at least, we can see it isn't just some ignorant slobs who live in the boonies.
" `I would do what I have to do,' said Bassam al-Hadid, a Jordanian with an American doctorate who spent 12 years as a hospital administrator in the United States, when asked whether he would kill a daughter who had sex outside marriage."
I have to say that I'm heartened to see that in families that respect themselves, women are as dedicated as men.
"Samia Sarwar, 29, mother of two boys aged 4 and 8, was shot dead today in lawyer Hina Jillani's office by a bearded man accompanying her mother and uncle. `He's my helper, I can't walk,' said the mother, when Hina told the two men to get out. As the mother went to sit down in front of Hina's desk, and Saima stood up from her chair, the bearded man whipped out a pistol from his waistcoat and shot Saima in the head, killing her instantly."
A European I know said he doesn't understand why a girl who is raped has to die to protect her family's honor. "After all," he said, "it isn't her fault". Is it so hard to understand that when an unmarried woman is no longer sexually pure, the family is humiliated? Her lack of chastity brings shame to everyone in her family. How else can her family's honor be cleansed except by her blood? What's to understand?
Actually, it's important that you understand that her impure state can destabilize morality in our whole society. If you don't understand that, you won't understand that our honor demands that we must tolerate no impertinance.
Everyone must know their place. Men must be in control of their families. Women and children must obey. Women must devote themselves to the care of their husband and children. Or things will spiral out of control.
We could end up with a big bunch of Kola Boofs. And you know what a headache she is. She was born respectable but she was brought up in America. Maybe that has something to do with it. She poses barebreasted on the cover of that disgusting book she wrote and she no longer considers herself a Muslim.
It's too bad her publisher had to be threatened before he stopped publishing her latest book. But he should have known better than to try to publish a book that is so disrespectful to the Arab Islamic communities in Europe and in Africa.
Boof has made terrible accusations. Listen to this one:
"As a black African woman, I cannot and will not be silent as black men in Arab nations are chained up like dogs to the back doors of Muslim households and fed, literally, from doggie bowls. I will not be silent as African women are raped, mutilated and mentally demeaned by sadistic human beings calling themselves children of Allah. I will not be silent as the number of little black boys who are sodomized by their Arab masters continues to soar, while even worse atrocities attend the lives of little black girls."
So maybe her disobedience started small. But, now, like the Shariah court in London's Islamic community said: she is guilty of "deliberately and maliciously bearing false witness against religious sentiment and of willing treason against her Arab Muslim father's people and against her nation, the Sudan."
And that's why Sudan has a fatwa out on her.
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Slow Poke
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This is Hilarious!
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Kola
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Username: Kola
Post Number: 1086
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 - 02:31 pm: |
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Responses to this article from another thread.
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ABM:
Kola,
This is a REAL article?
WOW! Those guys are outtah their friggin minds!
KOLA:
ABM, of course it's a REAL article!
How do you guys think I became mentally deranged?
I keep telling you what the world is REALLY like and no one listens. You're all so comfy in America.
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Slow Poke, what's so funny?
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Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 2996
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 - 02:38 pm: |
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Kola,
You should forgive us because THAT kind of stuff NEVER reaches our media, even those fronted/owned/operated by Blacks. |
Kola
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Username: Kola
Post Number: 1087
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 - 02:46 pm: |
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Well, of course, I forgive you. You're my babies!!!
Look at what they did to you all over here!
That shit was against "ME". It's everywhere I go.
You've been just as victimized and brainwashed as the rest of our nigger asses (meaning Pogo-niggers and Sand-niggers).
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Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 2999
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 - 02:58 pm: |
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Kola,
It's THIS kinda stuff that make me VERY suspicious about the Nation of Islam.
Because Farrakhan has been never at a loss for criticism of Whites and Jews. But I ain't EVER heard him utter WORD1 about the kinda $#*+ posted here. |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 3000
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 - 02:58 pm: |
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Thanks Kola...telling us the truth! |
Kola
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Username: Kola
Post Number: 1092
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 - 03:06 pm: |
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Farrakhan gets his funding for the NOI from two key men---Omar Bashir of Sudan and Khadafi of Libya.
In Sudan, he is not a "Black man"---he is an "Arab". In fact, he's much lighter skinned than many of the "Black Arabs" of Sudan, including President Omar Bashir.
When I came to America...I was SHOCKED to see Farrakhan presented as a "Black Man", the leader of the BLACK PEOPLE. Many Sudanese in this country cannot believe it.
But then again, like him, MOST Black Americans are thoroughly MIXED and don't like Charcoal Authentic Blacks anymore than the Arab Muslims and Black Arabs of Sudan.
Because of Malcolm X---we blacks in Sudan thought the Black Americans were on OUR SIDE and loved our blackness, as Malcolm X was GREATLY loved by Black Sudan and is our hero, our SON---not an American---but OUR SON, who represented the Africans.
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Abm
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Post Number: 3003
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 - 03:14 pm: |
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Kola,
Then, in a sort of perversely indirect way, you should 'thank' Christianity. Because if Jesus didn't have such a foothold within the African American culture and spirit, Farrakhan (via the aid of malevolent sorts who back him) might be the most powerful Black man on Earth. |
Chrishayden
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Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 1165
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 - 03:35 pm: |
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Abm and Kola:
I am not an Arab or a Muslim so I ain't gonna take up any beefs you got against them.
However I must admit that I have heard Farrakhan castigate Arabs for racism many times. He spoke about how Arab boys in Mecca would throw bread at black women like pigeons there. He spoke about how Malcolm X had been conned during his hajj to Mecca or he was taking a new non racial line to distance himself from the Nation. I have heard him myself speak of how Arab and other Muslim merchants from abroad will not touch pork or alchohol and come in our neighborhoods and sell it.
The Nation of Islam has been disavowed from the old days of Elijah Muhammad by Muslims abroad as not representing true Islam. Muslims from abroad have favored Elijah's son with money to try to get him and other Muslims to counter the NOI's influence among American blacks.
It is possible he is getting money from Khadafi--but I also know what happened to the El Rukns awhile back when they were supposed to be trying to buy weapons from him.
Malcolm X was light skinned and had red hair too-that he says in his book comes from a white ancestor-they consider him black and not Farrakhan?
Abm: Is it Jesus--or because blacks--as Shorty/Spike Lee said in the Malcolm X movie--like pigs feet whiskey and white women too much?
Oh oh. Shouldn't have gone there. |
Kola
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Username: Kola
Post Number: 1097
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 - 04:06 pm: |
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Excuse me, Chris Hayden.
You forgot the "DEFINING FEATURE" which is the "PROOF"-----Malcolm X's "hair"----was AFRICAN HAIR.
Nappy.
MALCOLM X sought out, visited and spoke up for the BLACK AFRICANS when he came to SUDAN.
Farrakhan does not. He speaks for and visits ONLY the Arabs of Sudan. He is pals with OMAR BASHIR, who is currently the world's greatest Slave Trader and supporter of Genocide.
And Malcolm X is called "RED ROOSTER" in Sudan. He has proven his loyalty to the Black African by choosing OUR PEOPLE in every way. Therefore, he is OURS. He is African. As I've said time and again but you people don't listen-----you don't have to be BLACK to be an African and to be OURS.
We love our children for being AFRICAN alone, as long as they uphold and represent the legacy of the Bloodberry---they don't have to be BLACK.
I have not been able to get people like LINDA and that other White-looking girl to understand that just because an African says you're "NOT BLACK", doesn't mean they don't love you or you're not a part of the family.
It simply means your "SKIN", "HAIR" isn't BLACK. Not your mind, your heart or your soul.
But the Black Sudanese refer to Farrakhan as "The White Bastard" and his popularity with Africans is OUTSIDE Sudan and mostly with Muslim Africans and the elite colorstruck Ethiopians.
And it's WELL DOCUMENTED that Farrakhan receives money from Khadafi. The U.S. government once tried to make him return a check for $4 million to the Libyan government if you recall. He was allowed to keep it.
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In Southern Egypt, where CHITLINS are very popular, I witnessed plenty of Arab Muslims eating pork.
Backsliders!
My Arab Muslim father was a HEROIN addict.
And for the record---Arab Muslims LOOOOVE to fuck White European women and fly them in REGULARLY. They hang their photos all over Cairo and the Muslim world while beating and castigating their Arab woman with the other hand.
When I worked as a "hostess" for Egyptian President Mubarak and was PAID to attend Moamar Khadafi's "parties by the sea"---I was usually the ONLY black woman hostess, and none of us were COVERED or Muslim. We were all bare-shouldered smiling INFIDELS with "White girl" hairdos.
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Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 3004
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 - 04:42 pm: |
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Chris,
HAHA!
Now yu 'no dat Jesus gon' getchu fuh dat "pigs feet whiskey and white women too much?" line.
Seriously, I admit I've not hear/read all of Farrakhan's media. Perhaps he has been more forthright on Arab racism/biases than what has manifested to me.
BUT...
I too have read that Khadafi is +$1M NOI backer.
And I'm also acquainted with what Kola says about Arabs flying White chicks over to the "Holy Land". Those Arabs have spent more dough on White p@$$% than what has been expended on such on NYC's Times Square and LA's Sunset Strip combined. |
Anunaki3600
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Post Number: 32
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 06:01 am: |
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Arab men want to screw every woman that appears on their "radar" and especially more so if they are white and blond. They expect their women to keep the family honor by being non-sexual, dressed from head to toe (ninja), accompanied where ever they go, etc. Stories that I have heard from people who have worked in Saudi Arabia, etc. is that the women do have lots of Anal sex and manage to keep their honor (virginity). In Mombasa, where there is a large arab community, parents were shocked to find AIDS/HIV cases among young couples who just got married and were virgins on their wedding night. How can they be HIV+??? Answer, Anal $ex especially between cousins, relatives, horny neighbours, etc. Men slaughtering their sisters as honor kiling is more to do with keeping the majority of women in fear and making them too scared to fight for their rights. More like the KKK keeping the purity of their women. |
Abm
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Post Number: 3026
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 12:33 pm: |
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Ladies,
Isn’t it GREAT to know that men are malevolent, duplicitous, prurient and sexist no matter where you are in the world? |
Kola
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Username: Kola
Post Number: 1134
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 12:58 pm: |
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Yes, ABM...and black men are ESPECIALLY a bunch of assholes.
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Abm
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Post Number: 3028
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 01:25 pm: |
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Ahhh...but you know you gottah love'em. Dung, gas, stain, smell et. al.
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Chrishayden
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Post Number: 1169
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 01:49 pm: |
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I just had a disturbing thought--Malcolm X was a Muslim!
Yes, when he was Malcolm Little--and ostensibly a Christian--he was, by his own admission, a pimp, dope dealer, thief, robber, and no good.
The Malcolm X that we know and love and respect, who stood up for strong values and clean living and black people was--a Muslim!
Additionally, I remember from his autobiography him taking some positions on women that I think femnists would find--reprehensible?
Break it down for me. |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 3033
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 01:56 pm: |
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Chris,
What are some of X's "reprehensible" positions?
Were they of the "sit down", "shut up", "rub my feet" and "give me some p@$$% right now" variety?
Or were they something bad? |
Kola
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Username: Kola
Post Number: 1140
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 02:03 pm: |
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Malcolm X was a sexist pig, Chris. But still, I would marry him in a heartbeat. You don't have to agree with EVERYTHING a person/says or does in order to support them.
He was the "BEST" Black Man that I've ever read about, heard from. I would be HAPPY to rub his feet, have his babies and shut up and give him some pussy.
I don't agree with MUCH of what Robert Mugabe does in Africa---but I still consider him to be the VERY BEST leader that we have in Africa.
It goes back to: "It's not right, but it's necessary."
Real change and real revolution cannot occur without REVERSE injustice and terrible violence and suffering. Black people are just Ass-kissing Cowards is all. Mugabe is doing exactly what AFRICA needs!!!
Haven't I always pointed out that I love Thomas although he's a sexist?
And my birth father, who DIED for exposing slavery in the Sudan and who stood up for Black people and WAS NOT BLACK......was a MUSLIM.
No one has claimed that all Muslims are bad people.
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Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 3035
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 02:14 pm: |
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Kola: "[You] was the "BEST" Black Man that I've ever read about, heard from. I would be HAPPY to rub [your] feet, have [your] babies and shut up and give [you] some pussy."
ABM: You mind if I put that on greeting cards and distribute them via Hallmark Cards. We'll make a mint during Valentine's Day, Sweetest Day and Black History month. |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 3036
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 02:17 pm: |
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Chris,
One thing you gottah say about Kola: She is very 'practical' in those ways that many men tend to dig the most. |
Chrishayden
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Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 1171
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 02:37 pm: |
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Abm:
Kola has it right. He was not particularly abusive that I know, but he definitely held to the opinion that the man was to be considered the absolute unquestioned leader and that the woman was the helpmeet. There was a letter some time ago that came to light that he wrote to Elijah Muhammad about the troubles he was having with Sister Betty that would be illustrative. I know he thinks he turned that one black woman into a lesbian-I'll go and re read the Autobiography--actually you ought to be reading it yourself, Black Man!!! |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 3048
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, May 27, 2005 - 02:41 am: |
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Chris,
It's has been nearly 20 years since I read X's autob'. Maybe it's is time for another look-see. |
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