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Chrishayden
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Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 7
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 03, 2004 - 04:37 pm: | 
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Now the leader of the rebels, who our government assured us would step aside and let Democracy take its course, has stated he is the head of the army. He is then, defacto, the head of the country.
See Julius Caesar and the Roman Emperors.
Iraq and Afghanistan are hot. Korea has the potential of getting hotter (like A bomb temperature) Taiwan is still simmering.
Venezeula is jumpin'. Castro says they are trying to bump him off again. They just initiated sanctions against Mugabe.
What kind of mess will fall into Kerry's lap if he does win? Should he want to? |
Cynique
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Post Number: 72
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 03, 2004 - 10:46 pm: |
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Well, should Kerry get elected, he can always do like Bush does. Just put his own spin on all of the perceived problems. You know, the longer I live, the more I realize that there is the world as it is portrayed and interpreted by the media and its mavens, and then there is the actual world. Terrorism is no of more a threat to America than is SARS and same-sex marriage. America's real problem lies in its infra-structure. It's going to run out of energy and power. |
Chrishayden
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Post Number: 16
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, March 04, 2004 - 03:33 pm: |
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They can spin all they want but when those bodybags start coming home and when all those images of death and destruction are on the screen and we get the bill there is going to be hell to pay--it looks to me like the Bushites feel like they might lose and are trying to gum up the works for a Democrat if he gets in there. |
Cynique
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Post Number: 77
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, March 04, 2004 - 04:05 pm: |
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The body bags have, indeed, been coming home, Chris, and the images of death and destruction are on the TV screens and the 80-billion+ price tag for this war has been revealed, but Bush and his "Nascar Dad" constituency refuse to relinguish the idea that America is the good guy who has to go around unsurping the bad guys so that democracy can be shoved down the throats of the "rescued" countries. Of course, America shoved Aristide down the throat of Haitians but then, in true fashion, deserted him when he apparently made democracy look bad. (Besides Haiti doesn't have any oil and its people are mostly black.)
BTW, you sound as though you still have misgivings about Kerry. Have you thought about registering your protest by voting for Nader?
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Chrishayden
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Post Number: 17
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, March 05, 2004 - 11:49 am: |
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Kerry, Nader, Jesus Christ can get in there, whoever it is, if he is faced with this War in Iraq, holding down Haiti, facing off North Korea, occupying Venezuela (currently the next target) going nose to nose with China over Taiwan, and trying to set up Syria and Iran is going to have his hands tied, especially on the domestic front.
If the Bushites can kick over enough garbage cans then Kerry will have to act like John Wayne in order to keep the majority behind him--ticking off his core base and setting the Dems up for another licking in the midterms in 2006 and a return in 2008.
Remember what happened to Jimmy Carter in 1980?
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Cynique
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Post Number: 79
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, March 05, 2004 - 01:51 pm: |
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I don't know that a myriad of problems has ever deterred any ambitious man from wanting to be elected president. This is is much about acquiring power and prestiege as it is about confronting crises, and it's also my impression that this is as much about personality than anything. People either love or hate Bush; Kerry doesn't have to do anything to win people over except to emphasize that the only way to get rid of Bush is to vote for Kerry. Hopefully enough people will dislike Bush enough to vote against him. It's all a game. Whoever gets in is going to screw up. But the world will keep on turning and America will manage to prevail because they're the most powerful country in the world. |
Chrishayden
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Post Number: 18
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, March 05, 2004 - 02:33 pm: |
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America is the most powerful country in the world but it is not more powerful than all the rest if they decide to gang up on her.
If several countries who are now practically servicing the national debt chose to put the squeeze on Sam, he'd have to yell "Uncle"! |
Blkmalereading
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Post Number: 7
Registered: 02-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, March 06, 2004 - 01:03 am: |
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Very good! I haven't heard enough about this. Now I have to say that I disagree with this fact: Of course, "America shoved Aristide down the throat of Haitians but then, in true fashion, deserted him when he apparently made democracy look bad.:
Aristide tripped America up. The same guy who is claiming he's the head of state. I won't even try to spell his name. Is the guy that America was backing. Aristide the little priest, came out of nowhere. America was pushing and helping with this democratic process of voting. He was voted in by what? 75%. Totally blew them away! They abandoned Haiti and what has happened is a shame and I blame America. The stuff is just hanging out at this point and no one cares.
Bush is spending billions of our tax payer dollars to MAKE (force) Iraq into a democracy (whose the real terrorist?). But a nation that is right in our region, we do NOTHING to help and in fact left them hanging for years, no support, no dollars. This has America and CIA written all over it.
Chris you are so right about Cuban, it's next. It's on the radar. They have wanted that country for so long. Americans with the means have continued to travel their for years regardless. I thought about Cuban when they started telling Americans not to go to Haiti. You know Castro doesn't care but he's getting old. America has turned into the world's bully. I say they have been the kind of nation that throws a rock and hides it's hand, but they had the USSR to point their finger to. So now that the communist of dead, whose the bully?
You are right. I wouldn't want to take on this task that is being left. I don't believe it's going to happen but a real good upstanding person, could turn this around. His first days in office should be to immediately right some of the wrongs. Get together with the UN and try to fix it. But Kerry is Skull and Bones and NO ONE becomes president without being a part of this organization. How did the Dean push just 'suddenly' die??? He wasn't playing in the wrong group.
The big thing that we are not realizing is that the troops are thin. We are all over the place, taking over countries and acting the fool. The draft will HAVE to be put in place. Bush is even tripping out republicans. He has spent money like it's water. Folks are losing jobs left and right. Only the upper middle class to the rich are satisfied. Gas prices are ridiculous. So taking a country to get their oil hasn't worked like they thought. Iraq has turned into a modern day Vietnam. These folks are not going to just lay down and go for this. They will continue to fight! They believe that you will be automatically given a key to heaven if you die fighting for Islam. Bush doesn't even know his history. He was low C student, so he didn't pay attention in world history class. We thought that Vietnamese would just lay down, a poor, backward country. We are in a middle of a war, folks are losing jobs, tax money is being spent, but we go to mars?? What? I guess they are looking for somewhere to go after they mess up this world. It's crazy!
Bush has been able to finish what all the other republicans before him started. All of a sudden they are now focused again on Osama?? Just like they did with Saddam and I personally STIll don't believe it. Those were pictures from an earlier time. We are being distracted worrying about who is marrying who, when you are out of work you don't have time to worry about things.
It's quite serious and most Americans are clueless. Civil liberties are being taken away left and right and we don't even realize it. The same day that Saddam was supposely captured, Bush, on a Saturday signed into law the Patriot act II. Have you guys checked out this document? It's thousand of pages long and since a lot of Americans are afraid to read or think for themselves.... How many folks came out to vote? 20%??? Folks are hopeless. Do you guys remember when you had to line up to get gas? I remember when you could only get gas according to your tag number. Every other day or something like that. It's about to get serious like that again.
They want to use Haiti for a jumping off point for their military and they don't care if those folks starve or die. They don't look like them. Cubans can come here on boats. But they are turning away boats from Haiti. But who knows about this? Who even cares? They parade The Passion of Christ in front of us-what a joke! Christ would not be in favor of what America is doing today. That is the real passion...
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Cynique
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Post Number: 81
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, March 06, 2004 - 02:23 am: |
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I know that Bush is a member of the
Skull and Bones secret society but I never heard that Kerry was. Up until recently most presidents just happened to be Masons but how could being a member of skull and bones ensure that a president would get elected? I'm sure that neither Carter or Clinton belonged to this organization.
As for Aristide, he was ousted once before, but was restored to office by America. I'm really confused as to who America is backing.
Yes, the world is in turmoil and America is operating on a slippery slope but it takes a long time for an empire to fall. |
Blkmalereading
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, March 06, 2004 - 10:16 am: |
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Being a member of the skull and bones doesn't insure but certainly increases your chances. If you have two candidates from the same organization running against each other, you certainly can't lose. The folks who are in this society are the elite and the rich and powerful throughout the world. Unfortunately, in America, it takes a large amount of money to run for president.
Cynique, I suggest you do a search on Skull and Bones. Of course, it could all be a conspiracy theory, but so many things that were so difficult to believe in the past have turned out to be true. Also read The Price of Loyalty: George W. Bush, the White House, and the Education of Paul O'Neill
by Ron Suskind. This book is full of some shocking and damning information about the workings of the Bush administration. If you recall Paul O'neill resigned last year.
Even when the president himself is not a direct member of the skull and bones, you only need a few high ranking and decision making people in your administration to wreak havoc and continue the agenda of any secret society. Kerry has been a member of skull and bones since 1966. You are right about the Masons and other secret organizations. It appears that every single president has/is a member of some secret society. Even all of the writers of the constitution is except one were freemasons. It could all be a bunch of rubbish, but it's interesting reading and certainly makes you wonder.
It appears there are several different names for these secret societies. Bill Clinton is said to be a member of the Puppet Masters. Jimmy Carter didn't come from 'rich' beginnings. So he doesn't have the direct contacts that some of the other presidents may of had. He is a member of Trilateral Commission (founding member), Council on Foreign Relations.
Many idiot leaders have ruin nations within a matter of a few years. Giving Bush four more years could easily add to the decline we're now seeing. |
Chrishayden
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, March 06, 2004 - 10:35 am: |
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Cynique:
If you are going from the starting point you may have a point--understand that if you go by 1792 the American Empire has been going on for 200 years. If you are going from 1898 the Spanish American War it has been going on over 100 years.
The German Empire fell in about 50 years (from declaration in 1870 to 1918) The Nazis fell in about 13 years. The Soviet Union fell in about 70 years.
Most Chinese dynasties lasted about 200 years. The British Empire lasted almost 200 years.
If you go from the moment that they started their final folly, the German, AustroHungarian, Ottoman and Russian empires fell after 4 years of WWI. The Japanese Empire fell in about 80 years (from the start of the Meiji era). The slaveholding empire of the Confederacy lasted about four years.
You are hoping all this goes down after you are gone, and I hope you are right, but one never knows, do one? |
Cynique
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, March 06, 2004 - 12:45 pm: |
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There is also a book currently on the best seller list entitled "American Dynasty" by Kevin Phillips which traces the 100-year grand plan of the Bush clan to commandeer the white house for the Bushes and a cadre of conservative Republican Princeton alumni. The author, who is a Republican, was shocked at what his research revealed about what he called "The House of Bush."
As far as secret societies are concerned, most presidents were members of Greek fraternities. It was rumored that the first George Bush made Dan Quayle his final choice for vice-president because they were fraternity brothers.
The American empire is on shaky grounds, but who will replace this country as the world leader?? I'm not so sure that because of the increasing polarlization that exists in this country, in the distant future this country will not longer be the united states but a collection of commonwealths operating independently of each other, paying homage to no national leader, their geographical proximity being the only connection they have to each other. Time brings change, but sometimes the more things change, the more they become the same... |
Blkmalereading
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, March 06, 2004 - 07:28 pm: |
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Why does there have to be a 'world leader'? Most of the world has not respected America for many years. We are only leaders because of our arrogance, money and weapons. If I had to pick, I would actually pick a Country like Canada. They pretty much stay to themselves and have been progressive in providing for it's citizens. Basic policies that we are still debating about: health coverage, the gay issues, women rights, human rights, animal and environmental. So who are we leading? Thank God not many choose to follow. America certainly pimps it's products and culture all over the world. We lead in pop culture promotion. Choking and forcing it down the throats of others. We refuse to increase our standards to compete with the rest of the world, so we attempt to dumb others down to our level and it's starting to work.
So you believe we will return to seperate states? Possible. I believe it will end being like a mild science fiction movie/book. With a huge gap between the have and the have nots. Water and oil being traded on the black market. The underclass being forced to irk out a living and the rich living within walls and continuing to party and spend as if they are the only ones in the world and who matter. |
Cynique
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, March 07, 2004 - 01:19 am: |
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You are right. Why does there have to be a world leader. Ideally, all nations would just co-exist and not interfere with the affairs of other countries. But POWER always has to rear its ugly head. And as we know, "power corrupts and and absolute power corrupts absolutely." And, yes, your scenario about the way America will eventually evolve sounds a lot more plausible than mine. But also a lot more depressing. As for Canada - we've got to stop agreeing like this! I also think it's a pretty cool country. It manages to do just fine without trying to run the world. Now if it just had a better climate! |
Blkmalereading
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, March 07, 2004 - 08:06 am: |
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Yes, the climate is a drawback, also I will have to do some quick conversational French classes. (smile) |
Cynique
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, March 07, 2004 - 11:52 pm: |
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Well, unless you're thinking about living in Quebec you don't need to know French, but you might wanted brush up on your hockey skills. |
Chrishayden
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 08, 2004 - 01:34 pm: |
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Cynique & Blkmale:
I think that the current situation, with elected officials being mostly figureheads and all political parties controlled by an establishment whose expertise is making money will lead to periods of disorder--it will be incapable of commanding the loyalty and obedience of the population and running this so called Empire.
I think that the situation is comparable to that existing during the ending years of the Roman Republic. We have not been totally defeated in a war, nor has there been an economic collapse.
What will arise is an authoritarian regime--probably led by the military since the military will be one of the few institutions commanding any confidence or respect and because it will be the only one capable of imposing order and marshalling resources so as to maintain the national sovereignty.
Why must there be a leader? Human beings and hierarchical creatures. They seek a leader. A leader must be strong--which leaves Canada out. It must be respected, which you might think disqualifies the U.S., but one can command respect, and right now the U.S. can march right into most of the countries of the world and turn their leaders out in the street a la Iraq--Only Russia, China, India, Great Britain, France I think are immune because they have nukes, and they ain't going to provoke such a situation if they can avoid it.
Thing I said before about the U.S. being the most powerful but not allpowerful still stands--what will have to come up is some kind of Commission, like that that runs the Mafia families in New York--The U.N. Security Council right now sometimes serves that purpose. Maybe add Germany Japan, Nigeria Brazil and Egypt as permanent members-- |
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