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Chrishayden
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 802
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, November 15, 2004 - 04:26 pm: | 
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The marines are levelling a town in Asia, a large segment of the country is angry at the President and his supporters after a devisive election and a man just set himself on fire outside the White House.
Seems like 1968-69 all over again. What else is coming down the pike? |
Lawchic
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Lawchic
Post Number: 128
Registered: 10-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, November 15, 2004 - 05:23 pm: |
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No major civil rights or political leader assassinated and no riots yet. As I see it, we're still ahead of the game.
I've got to focus on more local issues right now. The National Collaborative on Diversity in the Teaching Force report came out last week and concluded that black children tend to achieve better when taught by black teachers.
Hello? Are we about to go back to "separate but equal?" I was glad to see our local asst. superintendent (who is black) wrote an urgent response which was run on the editorial page of our paper today demanding that the report be retracted or discarded. We can't have our youth being told that it's ok for them to do less in the classroom because they don't have the right "color" teacher. It also advances the notion that most schools are incapable of giving black children a good education, and effectively lets schools off the hook for their failures when it comes to black students. That's crazy. This kind of thinking will leave our schools more and more segregated and allow white teachers to just throw up their hands in defeat and say, "I did all I could; I guess I just can't get through to them" i.e., "I'm just not not black enough for them."
The report also noted that the number of black teachers has declined by 50% in the last 30 years. |
Cynique
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Cynique
Post Number: 1811
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, November 15, 2004 - 06:33 pm: |
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This situation is such a mixed bag, lawchic. Your point is well-taken, but I have heard so many black parents complain about white teachers not knowing how to deal with little black boys. They always want to attribute their "spirited" behavior to such afflictions as hyper-activeness or attention deficiency disorder (ADD), symptoms that can be controlled with medication. It apparently never occurs to these white teachers that if you just tell "Tyrone" to sit his behind down and shut up before you send his butt down to the principle's office that this approach puts the teacher in charge and could make teaching easier. And then, there's the situation here in my state at the University of Illinois, a prestigious Big-10 school which is lamenting the fact that its black minority enrollment is drastically dropping. This has been attributed to the fact that black kids would rather go to black universities. Of course, there is a glaring correlation between this and the fact that U. of I.'s black drop-out rate is very high because the kids can't meet Illinois' academic standards. There is really an educational crisis in the black community and it's a difficult proposition because it is fraught with self-defeat. |
Cynique
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Cynique
Post Number: 1812
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, November 15, 2004 - 06:38 pm: |
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Well, Chris, guess I'll dust off my "Make Love, Not War" sign. Whoever said that people learn from the past??? |
Troy
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Troy
Post Number: 167
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, November 15, 2004 - 09:17 pm: |
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Lawchic: I'm going to start another post on your digression.
Chris, you been busy in the election thing. I'll get up with you on one of the other threads. It ain't nothing like the 60's Bro... |
Chrishayden
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 803
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, November 16, 2004 - 10:15 am: |
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Troy:
The 50's wasn't like the 60's either--these things do not happen overnight. They build. |
Chrishayden
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 809
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, November 16, 2004 - 10:52 am: |
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Lawchick:
Most of the teachers here in the St. Louis City School District--an overwhelmingly black population, are white females. I understand that holds for many inner city school districts.
Many of these white females do not like black males. That is the bottom line.
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Lawchic
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Lawchic
Post Number: 131
Registered: 10-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, November 16, 2004 - 12:15 pm: |
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Chris: If we use that logic, then I would say (from some of the conversations around here) that there are plenty of black women that don't like black males either (lol), so we've got to find more ways to get the people who really want teach into education, make it a viable living for them, so we have the BEST possible teachers - no matter what color they are.
Myself for example, there's not enough money to make me teach primary or secondary school right now. But I have taught on the college level. I like that because one would assume that these students want to be there. That makes my job a lot easier. They want to know what I have to teach them. And I want to share my knowledge with them. Now, some primary and secondary students feel that way about education. Personally, I loved school when I was that age. So, how do we instill that feeling in all of our students? That's what I want to see happen. Kids should love learning. It shouldn't be a job for them. And I think with the right teachers and the right curriculum (school needs to be a lot more interactive than it is), that desire in them can be kindled. |
Chrishayden
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 814
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, November 16, 2004 - 12:35 pm: |
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Lawchic:
Your game is good feelin' We Are the World straight out of the 1960's.
This is the 21st Century. You need to get with the program. |
Lawchic
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Lawchic
Post Number: 134
Registered: 10-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, November 16, 2004 - 12:59 pm: |
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Well, you may not agree with me, but last time I checked no one was offering to move us all to a separate state and kick out all the non-blacks and let us run our own thing. And white folks certainly ain't going no where. So, our options as I see it are to convince them to work with us to get what our kids need. Not work against them and accomplish nothing. |
Chrishayden
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 818
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, November 16, 2004 - 02:00 pm: |
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It takes two to tango. They don't want to work with you. Now what do you do? |
Lawchic
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Username: Lawchic
Post Number: 136
Registered: 10-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, November 16, 2004 - 02:07 pm: |
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The only way we progress is to keep the dialogue open. |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 2100
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 17, 2004 - 12:29 am: |
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Lawchic,
And, in a way it probably is a good thing that the number/percentages of teachers have dwindled. Because that is due to Blacks enjoying opportunities in other (often more lucrative) careers.
Although, ironically, I think part of the reason WHY our schools are suffering is that many of us feel as you do, that "there's not enough money to make me teach primary or secondary school..."
Lawchic says: "No major civil rights or political leader assassinated and no riots yet..."
ABM says: That's cause there's no need for that. Jesse Jackson & Co. are too old, P.Diddy & nem too busy bling-blinging and the rest of us are, frankly, too GD scared for White foks to have to get concerned!
Cynique,
When we as a community laud a Dr. Ben Carson (arguably the world's finest living surgeon) as we do a Michael Jordan, our collective educational prospects will improve.
Our educational woes are not just that of faulty pedagogy...they are born from our entire culture. |
Lawchic
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Lawchic
Post Number: 138
Registered: 10-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 17, 2004 - 01:23 am: |
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I agree with all of the above. In fact, the study specifically sites the opportunities that blacks have taken advantage of in other careers such as law and medicine as reasons for their dwindling numbers in education. (You like that complete submission, don't you, Daddy?)
P.S. Tee says you have ruined me. Says I'm bringing too many sexual innuendos over to her site, so she keeps sending me to the corner for time-outs. |
Abm
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Abm
Post Number: 2104
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 17, 2004 - 02:08 am: |
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Lawchic,
Haha!
Ain't nothing that makes me feel more like a man than having a chick with a law license submissively call me "daddy".
Tell Tee that I am only a reflection of the devil that is already inside of you. |
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