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Lawchic
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Username: Lawchic
Post Number: 107
Registered: 10-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, November 07, 2004 - 01:15 pm: | 
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Where is everyone? I thought I had been busy for a while but apparently so is everyone else.
Interesting thing happened the other day. My 13 year old daughter got busted with one of Zane's books at school. And, no, it wasn't mine. She borrowed it from another child. The principal got real upset and claimed it was pornography. When Zane heard about it, she offered to write the principal a letter explaining that her work is not pornography. Which, of course, it's not. But, all the same, I thought that was very nice of her to be concerned, especially when she doesn't know me. We just happen to be in the same online book club. |
A_womon
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Username: A_womon
Post Number: 1143
Registered: 05-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, November 07, 2004 - 03:43 pm: |
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Hey Lawchic,
Here's the thing, first let me ask if you have read any of Zanes' books? I have, I don't know what you would consider age appropriate reading for your 13 year old, but I wouldn't think that Zane was thinking about a 13 year old girl when she wrote most of her books.
It's not porn, but its not preteen reading either, in my opinion. It's meant for mature young adults, I would say late teens and up, because zane can be really graphic sexually.
I guess it depends on what you want for your child and how mature you think she is...
At 13 though, I must admit that I read some books that held adult descriptions of sex, and most of the time, having not experimented with sex at such a young age, I could not feature what they were doing most of the time, and the books I was reading, like Manchild in the Promised Land, were not explicit with the sexual language, although there was sex in them. Again, each parent has to decide for themselves when it comes to Zane and other books like hers. |
Lawchic
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Username: Lawchic
Post Number: 108
Registered: 10-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, November 07, 2004 - 10:58 pm: |
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Whoa, whoa whoaaaa!!! I know exactly what her books are about! That was my point. My daughter was SNEAKING and reading the book. I would NEVER let her read anything like that. Believe me, she is getting punished. But the punishment is not for reading the book. I simply explained to her that she is not ready for that type of book. That it deals with mature, adult situations that are not relevant to her life yet. The disciplinary problem arose not because of the book but because initially, the asst. principal (a sista) confiscated the book and asked that I come to pick it up. Well, my daughter never told me about it because the book wasn't mine to begin with and her friends convinced her to just leave it alone and nothing would happen. Well, I go to the school quite a bit and when the sista discovered that my daughter hadn't done as she requested, then she went directly to the principal who blew a gasket when he read a sampling of the book. Hence, the discussion about pornography vs. erotic literature.
I know she has many questions about sex at her age and I have discussed sex and relationships with her and will do so at any time that she asks. I would never allow so important a subject to be relegated to reading fictional material about it. Please, she still wants the new Harry Potter as soon as it comes out.
No, I would absolutely never allow my child to read any of Zane's books. I don't even have any in my house. I still have impressionable teenagers. Kola probably won't like this, but I'm hiding her books so my 15 year old son doesn't suddenly develop an interest in reading womanist fiction just to get a peek at her proud portrait on the back covers (lol).
I just thought it was nice of Zane to respond personally to my dilemma. She herself said her books are not meant for children and that she is beginning a teen series for Simon & Schuster in the near future.
I guess I should have made myself clearer. NOW HEAR THIS...I do not allow my minor children to read erotic literature...THAT IS ALL. LOL. |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 2051
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 10:24 am: |
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Lawchic,
I agree it is the deception that's your daughter's greater offense here, not her reading an adult-oriented book.
I’ve got a teen daughter too.
I have (grudgedly) learned to avoid making too big a deal of the sex stuff. Although I wouldn’t actively ‘recommend’ that a 13 year old read a randy Zane opus, I also wouldn't bemoan such either. Because at that age, kids are naturally curious. And we know that once they reach their teens, they are seeing/hearing that might make even Zane blush.
And no matter how informative we want to think we are, there's only so much about sex that ANY of us want to hear about from our mothers (for PETE'S SAKE!).
So I hate to burst your motherly bubble. But if he’s like most 15 year old Black males, your son has probably already seen (and maybe done) things that are far more salacious than spy a fairly benign topless photo of our East African heroine.
Just calmly use your daughters curiosity to attempt to steer her sexual development into a clearer/healthier direction.
And I have found that being somewhat nonchalant about the whole sex thing helps to keep the line of communications open between us in a way that likely would not exist were I a more ‘traditional’ fire/brimstone dad.
But to the guys that come sniffing around her, I'm bringing nothing but hell. |
Lawchic
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Username: Lawchic
Post Number: 110
Registered: 10-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 11:06 am: |
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ABM: I agree with you. That's how I try to play it. I know my son already knows the birds & bees. With him, I focus on talking to him about respecting girls and not hurting them or getting hurt himself (not to mention the disease factor). To look for a girl who has common interests with him. Not necessarily the one with the biggest ta-ta's and the most sexually generous demeanor. And I strive to ignore the ever-increasing expense of hand lotion and kleenex (lol).
Now, how to keep these high school varsity football players away from my little girl with the size 3 jeans and the C-cups. There must be 4-5 different boys that call my house right now. Thankfully, she's on phone restriction now because of the book incident (heehee). Maybe their interest will go elsewhere for a while. And she has to go to events with her brother, so hopefully, he will keep his boys away from her.
And you're right too about making a big deal of things because they will just hide stuff from you. |
A_womon
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Post Number: 1144
Registered: 05-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 11:34 am: |
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Didn't I just say that?? How come Lawchic, when abm says the same thing I said you agree with him, but when I said it it's Whoooa I aint sayin its ok?
I still say that Zane books shouldn't be read by any 13 year olds! And if reading her stuff makes YOU horny, what do you think its doing for them????
Sheesh!
I'll let yall keep thinking that "nonchalant" approach is working though. (right!) |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 2054
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 12:23 pm: |
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Lawchic,
Size 3 and C-cups, huh? <"sigh!"> I feel/share your ‘pain’, my sistah.
But it sounds like you’ve got a good gameplan, though, the common interests vs ta-ta's thing is outtah your hands, mommy.
Remember: How you/hubby relate to each other does FAR more to mold your son’s thoughts/behavior with females than words/books can say. (I hope my wife bossing my @$$ around all the time doesn’t give my daughters an inflated sense of ‘gurlpower’.)
And if you haven’t talked to your boy about a condom, please do so PRONO! I know it is probably the most difficult conversation you/hubby will have with your son. But it’s either that or possibly premature kids/grandkids and/or uncomfortable visits to a public health center in his/your future.
Haha!
Yeah. Isn’t it ‘amazing’ how teenage boys suddenly get very interested in having soft hands? During that time of my life, my mits were so soft, I could have been a Camay hand model.
A_womon,
I guess your "Waaaaa! Yawl ain't trea'in me right! Waaaaa!" routine never quite goes out of style for you.
Sorry...hehe!
But seriously, it's like I told your boy Yukio a lil' while back, "It's not whatchu say. It's HOW you say it."
I know my perspective is biased. But I think what you said appeared more 'critical' of Lawchic's rearing methods than mind did.
Also, let's face it: YOU AIN'T GOT NO KIDS! So, no diss intended toward you. But at a certain level, you don't know whatchu talkin' 'bout, boo. |
A_womon
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Username: A_womon
Post Number: 1145
Registered: 05-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 12:46 pm: |
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And like I keep tellin alla yall old school playahs, I am not EVER gonna say it like yawl do cuz I aint that old! So if yawl can't accept what I say how I say it oh freakin well! Others who read the board will see where I'm coming from, JUST as they did YUKIO.
And I may not HAVE any kids But I WAS a kid waaaaaaaaaaaaay more recently than either of YOU have been so I Bet I know a lot better what they think than YOU!
And if You perceive what I say as a "wahh routine" then that says more about you and anyone else who thinks like you than it does me! Maybe it's not me that's a baby but YOU ALL who are just gettin too (or are there already) OLD to appreciate a young fresh point of view!
Don't worry, I understand totally and I aint madatcha. So please return the favor.
I don't care if yall continue to diss my views actually, Im STILL going to post them for whomever can appreciate them. |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 2055
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 01:48 pm: |
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A_womon,
Okay then. But is a 16 year old mother better equipped to raise a child than a 36 year old because the teen mom "WAS a kid waaaaaaaaaaaaay more recently" than the more senior mother?
I think not.
‘Being’ a child (ala you) and ‘raising’ a child (ala me) are two entirely DIFFERENT thangs.
I don’t pretend to know what’s going on in my daughter’s mind (Why would a full-grown man want to submit himself to that house-of-horrors, anyway.). But I do know that my kids know I respect, love and want what’s best for’em.
And we talk ALL THE TIME very frankly about dating, sexual desire/needs.
So I am apart of what might make them think twice before they do something stupid. And, at a certain point, that’s all any parent can hope to be/do.
You are funny! Girl. Ain’t nobody dissin’ your views. But you’ve gottah a ways to go. And if your daddy ain’t told you that, then I ‘spect it’s up to me to do so.
But I will say this: You will be sho-nuff dangerous once your knowledge/wisdom catches up with your moxie.  |
Lawchic
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Post Number: 111
Registered: 10-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 01:51 pm: |
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A_Womon: We obviously misunderstood each other. I thought you believed I was nonchalant about her reading the book. I wanted to assure you that I didn't approve of her reading it either (not at her age and maturity level - and, believe me, there is a difference between the two). Just because you reach a certain age doesn't make you mature or wise. I know plenty of young fools and old fools.
I just turned 40 in Oct and if you think that's old, then we'll just have to see how over the hill you'll feel when you get there. And for the record, I also have a 2 year old (can't get old chasing his little tail around all day). My 26 year old step-daughter seeks my advice on a regular basis. From car-shopping (since she burnt up the old one) to men (since she's contemplating getting engaged).
I don't know why ya'll go through this age argument on a regular basis anyway. We all see the same things going on every day in the world around us. Some of us just been looking at it longer than others. I wouldn't presume to tell someone younger that they are wrong. Perception is very subjective at any age. |
A_womon
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Username: A_womon
Post Number: 1146
Registered: 05-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 02:01 pm: |
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Lawchic,
Thank You for that explanation. See when you're under 30 around here and people want to shut you down they bring up the "age thing" so I just try to blast them back when they blast my age.
No, I don't really think 40 is old. My dad sure doesn't act or look old at 44! And I wouldn't have guessed you to be 40 looking at your picture on your website.
I agree with you that age is not relevant when one is offering up opinions. Everyone, regardless of age is entitled to speak theirs on the given subject. I just hope we all learn to respect each other on that basis and get over trying to shut one another down on the regular. For real though.
Peace! |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 2056
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 02:34 pm: |
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Ladies,
Age is not the issue here as much as it is experience. Although, let’s face it, if you ain’t been around that long, it’s difficult to acquire certain experiences.
Lawchic, I wager your stepdaughter seeks you advice because you have experiences in certain areas that she is lacking in.
For example, you are in, what I will presume to be, a viable marriage. She has yet to travel that road. So quite naturally, it would be wise of her to seek your advice. Even if you and she were the same age, she would be wise to seek your counsel of a married companion.
And, A_womon, certain things about being a parent defy clever rationalization.
I know A LOT of parents. And almost everyone of them that I have asked have said that parenthood is VERY different from what they expected it to be and they are themselves different from how they expected to be.
I know foks who BEFORE they had kids used to proudly exclaim ‘perfected’ views about how they would avoid the mistakes that they witnessed other parents make.
Now their kids are bad/crazy as h*ll!
And so all I am saying is being a parent is like how Mike Tyson described being in a heavyweight championship fight: "EVERYBODY’S got a good strategy...until their @$$ get’s HIT!" |
A_womon
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Post Number: 1147
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 02:53 pm: |
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I know foks who BEFORE they had kids used to proudly exclaim ‘perfected’ views about how they would avoid the mistakes that they witnessed other parents make.
Now their kids are bad/crazy as h*ll!
The reverse of that is also true, abm, there are parents who could have written a book on parenting skills 101 and anyone would have sworn they did everything right and proper and had a great relationship with thier kids and all. But those kids turned out buck wild and "bad as H*ll" too! How else can you explain the child who is verbally and physically abused who grows up to be OPRAH or someone like her despite poor parenting? And how else do you explain someone given every advantage who winds up on hooker row doing drugs???
AND ABM, experience alone does not make one wise and knowledgeable about what's right and best for a child.
In the end, we would all do wise to do the best we know how in raising our children (present and future!) because in the end a child is gonna be who they are gonna be no matter what! THEY are going to decide what life they are going to have, and no matter how you wish it to be otherwise, at the end of the day IT IS What IT IS. Period. And you know this.
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Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 2057
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 04:20 pm: |
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A_womon,
Oh, Oprah has overdone that whole "Ms. Sellie don been beat on" routine.
Oprah herself has admitted that the abuse covered only a small portion of her youth and that during most of her formulative years she was cared for by very loving/supportive father and grandmother who helped to mold her into the person she is today.
Parenting is all about playing the odds and individual choices. But more times than not, doing certain things with/for your kids will yield certain results.
So I do agree with much of the substance of what you are saying. Though, check me out sometime AFTER 'YOU' have had some kids. Then maybe we can more fairly compare notes. K? <wink!> |
Rashena
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Post Number: 97
Registered: 08-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, November 09, 2004 - 07:09 am: |
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This thread is HEEEEEELARIOUS!!!
I can relate, as a former hellion teenage daughter, and ultimately teenage mother.
We were supposed to be reading Chaucer, I was reading CHANCES - Jackie Collins. I had MANY a book confiscated in class...even a Spanish book called Mierda! The REAL Spanish you were never taught in school. We were learning how to say all KINDS of vile things when we were supposed to be conjugating verbs.
My son is ten now, and a sweet, precious young man, I shudder to think about what lies in store.
I am CRACKING up at the "soft hands" references...a CAMAY HAND model, ABM?!?! LMFAO!!!
Lawchic, your son asks for Kleenex and Jergens, or does he surreptitiously place them in the cart during grocery store outings? ha ha
I had one boy's father call MY mother, speaking in broken English, pleading with her to keep me away from him:
"Before Rashena? Deyve have no problem. No problem school, no problem homework, no problem home. Now with Rashena? PROBLEM!!!"
Ah, those were the days.
But as bad as I was, with all the liquor, weed, and acid (11th grade - white bread suburbia!), I ALWAYS kept a book in my hand!
I'm definitely interested in knowing what Zane's teenager line of books will be about, especially since I was asking about books for young boys in the reading forum!
Lawchic, has your daughter read The Coldest Winter Ever yet? Much tamer than Zane, but a very real cautionary tale about being hot in the pants. What else does she like to read? Seems crazy but that is probably the MODERN equivalent to what Judy Blume was for us back in the day (I'm 28).
And as much as you school your kids on sex, DON'T forget to talk to them about drugs...especially with all the ecstasy that is floating around these days, and those two go hand in hand! |
Abm
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Post Number: 2059
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, November 09, 2004 - 10:10 am: |
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Rashena,
HAHA!
Thanks for confirming my fears about girls: Yawl ain’t no d*mn good either!
What made a girl from a (supposedly) good suburban community run buckwild? Boredom? And where were your foks? What did they do ‘wrong’?
And how did you survive your tumultuous youth? Did having a baby jar sense into you?
I try to ‘distract’ my daughters with so many extracurricular activities (e.g., piano, dance, girl scouts, etc.). Of course, that’s is a foolproof solution. But at least they are often so tired/distracted that they have very little time to get into trouble.
But another problem I have is my daughters friends don’t have quite the same level of parental involvement, especially from their fathers, as my kids do. So my kids are being indirectly exposed to issues that I’d rather they not be.
But, again, I try to keep the lines of communications open. And often my daughters will mention to me ‘some’ of what their friends are into.
My daughter read "Coldest Winter" when she was 12. Initially, I was concerned about whether she was mature enough to handle the book’s subject matter and tone. But actually her having read the book helped inspire some very interesting/revealing discussions between she, my wife and myself.
And your point about drugs is important. Because drug/alcohol consumption are a danger to teens not only in of themselves, but they a lot of illicit and dangerous sexual activity is preceded by drug/alcohol use.
PS: Do you recall Pres. Clinton was forced to fire sistah Jocelyn Elders, MD as Surgeon General partly because she promoted masturbation as a form of "safe sex" for teens? I guess to the Religious Right wackos it’s better that our kids get pregnant and acquire sexually transmitted than it is for our kids to safely ‘relieve’ themselves with the aid of salacious lil’ Kim and Pamela Andersen posters. |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 2060
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, November 09, 2004 - 10:13 am: |
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Correction to the prior post: I meant "...that’s is NOT a foolproof solution..." |
Rashena
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Post Number: 98
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, November 11, 2004 - 03:35 am: |
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Hey ABM!
I guess I was so bad because I was spoiled and knew that I could get away with any and everything I wanted to do. My father died when I was three, and my mom later told me that she always felt guilty about that so she went out of her way for my brother and I, even after she remarried. Coupled with the fact that they were always working and we had no adult supervision after school, it was on like POPCORN.
Not only did having a baby jar some sense into me, it BODY SLAMMED some sense into me, and I haven't had once since! LMAO!
It's good you keep your daughters busy and try to tire them out (HA!) to keep them out of trouble, but you certainly can't do anything about what them is exposed to via them peers in school, so communicating with them like you have been is a MUST. How old are they?
Times have certainly changed, I have a friend who is a teacher at a high school in Brooklyn and one of her friends is an elementary school teacher who says there openly lesbian students in her FIFTH GRADE CLASS, going around talkin about, "That's my WIFEY!!" Crazy right? Back when I was in high school, that stuff wasn't discussed much, much less fifth grade! So I worry about my son a lot too.
What have they said their friends were into? LOL
I went to high school in Frederick County, Maryland so there wasn't much else to do besides be deliquent when the parents weren't around! We'd drop acid and watch Pink Floyd's "The Wall" over and over, have keg parties in fields, all kinds of wild stuff....I am glad that I had my son because it helped me get my act together, though I didn't realize how privileged I was at the time.
I DO remember Jocelyn Elders, and she was right! Watch this little video, and tell me what you think of this. LMAO
My comments are at the bottom are posted as Bad Girl, a crazy friend of mine posted what was said about me after that, sick person that she is, but you'll get the point. Enjoy! ha ha ha
http://www.shooshtime.com/clips/video.php?id=3770 |
Rashena
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Ugh, sorry about the typos, I changed the pronouns once I realized you had more than one daughter but screwed up the way I edited it. I'm not speaking Ebonics. LOL! |
Abm
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, November 11, 2004 - 06:43 am: |
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Rashena,
I guess you're example of a "latchkey kid" gone wrong, huh? Did your mother/stepfather blame your getting pregnant on their hectic work schedules?
Well, glad to see there's life for you after acid and Pink Floyd (Is it possible to listen to their music and NOT want to get high?…haha!).
But JEEZ! 10 year old lesbians couples?
Hey. I know my kids (ages 14 & 9) are seeing/hearing some crazy stuff. But the day I hear about THAT kind of stuff going on in their school is the day I put in applications for a Swiss finishing school.
Some would say that's partly why Bush was re-elected, that many people rejecting what appear to be increasing instances of crazy stuff like that permeating our society.
http://www.thumperscorner.com/discus/messages/179/1909.html?1100173296 |
Rashena
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Post Number: 102
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, November 11, 2004 - 07:59 am: |
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Nah, there were plenty of latchkey kids that were dorks and were well-behaved (LOL), got good grades, etc but at the time I was intent on driving my mother batshit, and was quite successful!
I'm completely different now, back to my sweet, bookworm self. My parents didn't blame my getting pregnant on them not being around, my mother did what she could, even put me on birth control, but I was just stupid!
I didn't get pregnant there anyway, I was at my grandmother's for the summer and "fell in love" with the guy across the street I had known all my life. In fact, my mother used to babysit HIM! At first she was furious, but later calmed down and was very loving and supportive; was right there in the delivery room and helped usher him into the world.
Where do you live anyway, ABM? I'm not trying to scare you, but chances are there ARE some dykes wherever your daughters attend school, maybe one or two in Switzerland as well!
Didn't you see Cruel Intentions? One of the chicks was a lesbian who had done something wrong and she was punished by being sent to an all-girls school, little did her parents know that was JUST what she wanted. The smirk on her face was priceless when they told her. LMAO!
Thankfully, you only have YOUR daughters to worry about and I'm sure you're doing a good job.
I don't think it matters who is president though, people are going to be crazy and get craziER no matter what. They'll just be more sneaky about it if there are more prohibitive laws, and continue to disregard them like they've been doing since the beginning of time.
What specifically are you talking about though - gay marriage? |
Abm
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, November 11, 2004 - 08:41 am: |
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Rashena,
It should be apparent to anybody who have read my posts that I'm no prude.
I'm not saying foks were 'justified' in voting for Bush to stem the rising tide of overt sexuality, gay marriage, etc.. I'm just saying that is perhaps 'why' they did.
The Swiss finishing school thing was a joke. Of course there're "dykes" everywhere. And I don't have ANY problems with them per se...even 10 year old one (though, really, how the HECK do they know WHAT they are at THAT age?).
I just think it's time to check some of the "Love me because I'm gay!" stuff, especially amongst though who are too young to know what the heck they're talking about to begin with.
I mean, what should we allow next: Open and detailed descriptions of how fifth grade girls enjoy performing cunnilingus on each other? |
Rashena
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Post Number: 103
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, November 11, 2004 - 09:18 pm: |
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Ugh! I certainly hope and don't think it will go that far, and I know you're not a prude, considering how you were teasing me the very first time I posted on this board! You're a mess!
I know you were joking, but that made me think of that movie...just wanted to mess with ya.
Bush DID win this election by focusing more on the volatile emotions that religion and chastity stir up, I am still astounded myself!
I am not sure about the gay thing...I had a roommate that told me she knew she was gay when she was FIVE...when she'd lie on the floor and look up ladies' skirts! Yikes!
Also makes me think of Bernie Mac talking about his gay nephew on "The Kings of Comedy"..boy that was funny!
OMG! I have a poem from this cat named Hickson...have any of you ever heard of him! He reminds me of a modern day Langston Hughes, I haven't been this excited about poetry in a LONG time. Check this one out, his website is www.ghettoheat.com I gotta see when he'll be back in this area for another reading, I missed him the last time.
DAY-DAY PLAYS
Young Day-Day
Hates B-ball wit Bay-Bay
Giggles and plays double-dutch with May and Tay-Tay
Squiggles, sharin' dolls wit Shay
But prefers wrestlin' wit Jay-Jay a-l-l-l-l-l-l day!
Paints his toenails wit Missy
Switches and twitches butt like big sis, Chrissy
I say, that Day-Day sure act gay
Gonna grow up to be a cute sissy, ONE DAY!
LMFAO! When do you think is a good age to address sexuality, especially in instances like this? |
Abm
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Post Number: 2068
Registered: 04-2004
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Rashena,
This country is born and bred in religiosity. Thus, it doesn't surprise me that a presidential election would turn on such. Combine that with a equally isolated/provincial mindset, and you have a voting populace that is primed from manipulation.
That's a funny poem. Though, I doubt it would go over very well in San Francisco. |
Cynique
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Post Number: 1803
Registered: 01-2004
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On the contrary, Abm, I think a certain segment of San Francisco's population would identitfy with and absolutely love that clever, dead-on little verse. And, yes, Rashena, a person's sexual orientation is pretty much determined by the age of 5, according to psychiatrists.
Also, what I am finding out about this past election is that we know about the closet homosexuals, but there was an element of the black population who were closet Bush backers. Their Preachers became their enablers, not actually saying that a vote for Kerry was an endorsement of same-sex marriage, but suggesting that they vote for the candidate who adhered to their religious beliefs about homosexuality. These people kept mum about their preferences but when they got in the voting booth, they went for Bush.
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Lawchic
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Username: Lawchic
Post Number: 122
Registered: 10-2004
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Indeed. Read somthing the other day that said in the last election in predominantly black precincts, 90% voted for Gore and 10% for Bush. This time it was 85% for Kerry and 15% for Bush.
And I have certainly said it before that the black churches are all for the faith based initiatives that Bush is offering. It's free money. Can you blame them? |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 2077
Registered: 04-2004
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Ladies,
Your points about the Bushbackers is a largely ignored though VITALLY important one.
Yesterday, I watched on C-SPAN's Book TV the brilliant sistah political strategist and Al Gore's 2000 presidential campaign manager Donna Brazile mentioned how surprised she was as when as she observed the early election returns at how well Bush was doing in certain parts of the Florida who had BLACK Democratic Congresspersons. She said she knew then that Kerry was in trouble.
So I think the REAL story of the 2004 election may be that it was, irony-of-ironies, the BLACK vote that carried the day for Bush. |
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