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Chrishayden
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Posted on Thursday, October 14, 2004 - 12:46 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Who won the debates? Will it make any difference to the election?
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Posted on Thursday, October 14, 2004 - 01:05 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Kerry was more impressive than Bush as he's been in all three debates--much more aware and on point with his ideas.

Will it make any difference? I don't know. Where Bush does stand out far more than Kerry is in his firm stand on the war. Kerry to my surprise seemed the most frazzled when it came to questions on war, while Bush came alive with the war questions.

As i've said before, I think that there are many folks who have put the safety of our country at the top of their lists--and Kerry fails to be convincing in that area which may unfortunately speak much louder than anything else to those folks who are worried about their safety.

Bush on the other hand is like--Whatever Man--Ion't care whatchu say!!! You must be outcho F$*%in mind if you think i'm bout' to let somebody come up in hur bustin' off n sh$(!! We gonna git somebody!!

And as unfortunate as that whole idea is on some levels, I do think it comforts people to know that they got a president that will BUST SOMEBODY HEAD DOWN TO THE WHITE MEAT IF HE HAS TO! He BOUT IT!! BOUT IT!!

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Posted on Thursday, October 14, 2004 - 02:54 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Bleek:

I know. Americans like a lot of big talk. So soon they forget--I remember when our leaders were telling us what devils they were over in Hanoi and now they are over there doing business with them--too bad about those 58,000 on the Wall and their families who can't share in the bounty

I know, someone will say that the best way to undermine that regime is by "exposing them to Capitalist values"--hey and if some guys who opted to sit out the war make a mint while doing so, so much the better. Horsefeathers.

He doesn't reassure me at all.

My problem is that he talks all this while sitting behind the Army, Navy, Airforce, Marines and a million bodyguards and if (if) he does anything it will be in retaliation for something that has happened to me in retaliation for his woofing or his policies--but maybe that's just me.
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Posted on Thursday, October 14, 2004 - 02:57 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Well. After seeing viewing the 3rd (& final) debate lastnight, I am pretty convinced that Kerry appears considerably more presidential than does Bush. And that appears to be reflected in polls taken of the views of undecided voters during and immediately following the debate.

I still don't know if that will turn the election in his favor.

But I tell you what: Were I the Kerry supporters, I would start copying/pasting/broadcasting those goofy faces Bush made throughout the debates into TV adds. Because those looks of his say A LOT about how crazy this man might really be.
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ABM!!! I KNOW!!! MY GIRLFRIEND AND I SAT AND WATCHED THE DEBATE--AND COULD NOT STOP LAUGHING AT HIS FACES!!!! AND SOMEONE MUST HAVE TOLD HIM TO TRY AND SMILE MORE---CUZ HE KEPT SMILING THE GOOFIEST SMILE EVER!!! HE LOOKED LIKE THE GUY ON THE COVER OF THE MAD MAGAZINES!!!

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Kerry passed up a lot of chances to really take it to Bush but I guess he feels like he has to be careful so as to not give the impression of disprespecting the President of the United States. Bush and his shifty-eyed self is not only a war monger, but a fear monger. Kerry previously made a statement to the effect that, in reality, terroism can be categorized as being a nuisance, and I agree. Terrorism is nothing more than what Communism used to be: The Boogey Man, - an invisible phantom force that feeds into the paranoia of Americans who are buying into Bush's rationale that God is on his side, and that by fighting in Iraq, America will stop those swarthy devils from sneaking over here and blowing up our buildings and destroying our democracy. That's simplistic crap. What happened on 9/11 was a fluke. The chances of it happening again are very slim, and even if a terrorist strike does occur, it will be an isolated incident that will have very little impact on the lives of average Americans. It'll simply be a tragic accident, like an air plane crash or a train wreck. The Taliban have accomplished everything they wanted with that one strike in NY. Invading Iraq and starting a war there was stupid. All America needs to do is establish an efficent homeland security program and to not let Osama bin Ladin's idle threats panic and manipulate the government. Yes, water supplies could be poisoned and electricity be cut, but that's where homeland security comes in. And I think that if this hasn't happened yet, it isn't going to happen. Anyway, I know everyone will disagree with this but, after all, the Vietnam war went on for years, polarizing the country and costing 50,000 American lives and accomplished zilch because the subversive "Red Menance" of Communism was nothing but a paper tiger, and the cold war was just an international chess game played between American and Russia, both of whom knew full well that nuclear war was not an option considering that it would've destroyed civilization. But boys will be boys, and the testosterone of our fascistic leaders will continue to send our sons and daughters across the ocean to fight and die on foreign soil, to kill innocent civilians and destroy a country, casting them as the good guys against the bad guys, THOSE OMNIPRESENT, UBIQUITOUS TERRORISTS! THE BOOGEY MAN. WHOOOOOO. And what is really frustrating is that the best way to diffuse the middle eastern crises would be for this country to just stop supporting Israel's occupation of Palestine. Whew! Well, I'll get off my soap box now. All of you patriotic folks supporting Bush can now favor us with a chorus of The Star Spangled Banner. No blood for oil!
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Posted on Thursday, October 14, 2004 - 03:12 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Bleekindigo,

HAHA!

That Mad Magazine assimile is dead-on-point.

And did you notice how RED Bush got when Kerry said something that he especially disliked. Honestly, as I watched those maniacal faces Bush was making, I thought he would eventually lose control, run over to Kerry and pop him in the head!
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Posted on Thursday, October 14, 2004 - 03:33 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

ABM:

ME TOO!!! WHEN KERRY BROUGHT UP BUSH NOT ATTENDING ANY OF THE BLACK CAUCUS MEETINGS AND BUSH NOT MEETING WITH THE NAACP!!!!

OH MY GOSH!!! I THOUGHT BUSH WOULD PASS OUT!! OR RACE OVER TO KERRY AND JUMP ON HIS BACK!! HIS FACE GOT TIGHT AND RED!!! AND THEN IN RESPONSE, HE TURNED INTO CHARLIE BROWNS TEACHER ON THE PEANUTS-HE SAID: WAWAWAWAWA WAWAWAWAWA WAWAWAWAWA.

I swear I felt like I was at a comedy show. He should have just called out sick!!!

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Posted on Thursday, October 14, 2004 - 03:48 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Well, you guys know that the motto of Alfred E. Neuman, the Mad Magazine guy, is: "What, me worry?" Certainly a mind-set in keeping with Bush's mentality.
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Posted on Thursday, October 14, 2004 - 04:04 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Cynique,

That's a WINNING essay on what is going on! Remember: This whole thing started off the strength of 19 guys using box cutters and mace to commadeer airplanes. Yet were spending 100's of BILLIONS to kill people who had NOTHING to do with that.

I mean, come on, this whole d*mn thing just don't make any sense!

I agree this all about scaring us into giving Bush and his backers (& bosses) TRILLION dollar oil/weapons/construction/utility deals.


Bleekindigo,

Perhaps Kerry blanches at the notion of war because he knows what it is like to see his friend standing next to him get his head blow apart via an AK-47 shell. But while Kerry was witnessing the utter horror of that, Bush's p*$$%@$$ was skipping National Guard duting in Alabama.

Ultimately, Bush and those who support his kill'em all countenance will be rudely proven wrong. Because you can only kill so many people before you become more noted for being a killer than the alleged reason why you are doing the killing. And the world's going to eventually demand that we stop!

Also. How long can we as Americans allow this thing to continue?

We already have our entire active/reserve military/guard services involved in this thing. They are calling people up who's active service concluded +6 years ago. The are extending, doubling even tripling tours in Iraq. Are we going to let them draft our sons...our DAUGHTERS? Is that going to have to occur before wake the f#$% up?

And we ain't even talking about Iran, which Iraq to the fifth power and likely has nuclear bombs and North Korea who's gotten so bold with their nukes that they have been basically been tossin' darts at our nutsack since Bush made the ridiculous Axis of Evil crack which was stupid largely because it was a blatant/obvious misnomer (Iraq, Iran and Korea are in NO way strategically allied against America).

Baby girl, Kerry SHOULD be scared as F@#$ about what to do.

And I am beginning to wonder whether our inability to appreciate Kerry's response to issues concerning war is more an indictment of us than it is of him.
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Posted on Thursday, October 14, 2004 - 04:39 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Abm said:

Perhaps Kerry blanches at the notion of war because he knows what it is like to see his friend standing next to him get his head blow apart via an AK-47 shell.

Abm, good point. Maybe that is why Kerry "blanches at the notion of war". Maybe. I still believe that as Presidential Nominee, you cannot afford to "Blanch" on a public debate. That "blanching" he does, just might be what causes him the election.

At this point, I don't think that folks who are most concerned with safety are looking to feel sympathy or compassion for their president. I don't think that they are looking for the softer side of their president. They want someone who is aware and knowledgeable where education, unemployment, stem cell, affirmative action...and all of that is concerned, but I think that they also want to know that when it comes down to the wire, the president ain't gonna "Blanch" up.

Abm, I honestly don't think the people give a rats azz about the fact that he was in the war and his friends head got blown off right next to him. It sounds hard, but I really don't think that folks will consider that when they ponder his ability to keep their country safe. What they will consider though is his "Blanching".

Oh, and just to clarify, I am not one of those people that has bought into the illusion of bush safety. I just recognize it and think that it is a real danger.

I commented on it because after the 2nd debate, I saw an interview of six people. Three of the six said that Kerry spoke best to their issues and 3 said that bush spoke better to their issues.

The three that said bush spoke better to their issue-when asked what the issue was--all said "keeping America Safe." When asked if they would vote for Bush, they all replied with a yes.

The three that said Kerry spoke better to their issue-when asked who they'd vote for, were undecided or said Bush. When asked why they were undecided, all gave the same answer--they said Bush seemed more firm on the safety of the nation.



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Posted on Thursday, October 14, 2004 - 05:57 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Chris your second answer to Bleek is right on target!! The Bush family and many other polticians and former politicians who hide their faces behind big businesses are ALREADY doing business with the Saudis AND Osama's family!!! There are a lot of hidden agenda's on capitol hill and we only get a tiny whiff of it when they make a slip up!

I too thought Kerry came off as more presidential, despite his squirmishness when it cam to discussing the war, he still pulled it off!

All Bush did last night was talk about Kerrys lack of (or too much of) voting in the senate on this and that. Kerry outlined, quite clearly I might add, His plan for funding healthcare, his plan for bringing jobs back to America and KEEPing them here! to key issues to attract votes.


And what was Bush talking about when he was asked the question about what he would say one on one to a person who had lost their jobs over seas?
What the hell difference does a better education make preparing for "21st century" jobs that don't exist in this country???! Hell you can't even work in a factory no more cuz theyre all Shut Down!! Bush sounded like a fool!!
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Posted on Thursday, October 14, 2004 - 06:04 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Kerry is definitely more articulate. However, like Bleek said, Kerry is not convincing when it comes to issues of national security. That concerns me --but so do many other issues/topics concerning the upcoming election.
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National Security???? People tell me really, how secure do we really feel since Bush has taken office? Since he has taken office he as taken over a country, bombed innocent victims in search of imaginary weapons. The world is looking as us, US as the bad guy, the BIG BAD WOLF!!! I feel more insecure than ever, bc we have become one of the most hated nations, and it's not just because of this event (ie. The IRAQ War) but also the other atrocities we have committed in the name of democracy while we ignore the suffering of Haiti and other African nations. Anybody listening to Bush right now, and intend on voting for him are primarily voting the "old boy network, conservative dribble, BS!" way. Because Kerry has accurately portrayed Bush's bad decisions and documented it's affect on America, loss jobs, outsourcing, threat of terrorism, rising health costs, crashing stock markets are real! They are real to me, since I have lived through Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton and now Bush again and each time a Republican took office it had a negative affect on the economy, poor and middle-class America. Today, 4 more years of Bush not Terrorism is my biggest fear, bc in 4 more, I may not have a job either! At least not a good government job.
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Posted on Thursday, October 14, 2004 - 07:36 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Excellent Sisg! On another board someone has a tag line that says "Bush is gonna get us F-ed Up".

I just hope he doesn't antagonize No. Korea any more because L.A. is right in their sight line.
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Posted on Thursday, October 14, 2004 - 08:19 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Sisg,

Sure, we are the most hated, however, the most powerful. I'm not condoning it, however, other nations are dependent on us in many ways. They can hate us, but really, they can't bite the hand that feeds them. We have created co-dependencies with many other countries and in many respects....it's quite a double-edged sword.

All in all, I think the average politician is shady. I think this war is a matter of the rich fighting the rich and all the "underlings" are enduring the hardships of it --the ususal. Again, I'm not condoning it, just how I see it. Kerry has made some wonderful promises. I'd like to see them in action though. 9 times out of 10, politicians can't keep true to their word. I think Kerry would prove to be no different.



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Posted on Thursday, October 14, 2004 - 09:11 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Screw Kerry's promises and whether or not he can fulfill them! Just get Bush out of office before he can do any more damage.
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Posted on Thursday, October 14, 2004 - 09:31 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Right on, Sisgal. Just gave your post 4 stars! (I got yours mixed up with a-womon's and gave her 4 stars by mistake, but that's ok, hers was good too.)
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Posted on Thursday, October 14, 2004 - 10:11 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thanks Cynique, my first (all smiles)and I agree, all I know is that i've seen Bush's hand, cards on the table and enuf is enuf!

That's right Crystal.

Moonsigns, we make be shaking hands on the right, funding, giving, what we used to call plain willing and dealing back in the day, but there really is no solidarity amongst our nations. We'll feed you one day and bomb you the next. Sadly, the way of the world, or at present, the world according to Bush!
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Sisg,

Sadly, I think it is the way of the world. America is not the only country full of hypocrites.
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Posted on Thursday, October 14, 2004 - 10:59 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Typical answer!!!

I could have easily guessed who wrote THAT post If I didn't already know.
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See, I'm not pulling rabbits out of a hat. This was reported this morning YAHOO NEWS:

LONDON - America's reputation around the world is hurting, according to a series of coordinated polls published Friday from 10 countries, including many of the United States' closest allies.


In eight of the countries where the surveys commissioned by major newspapers were conducted, more people said their view of America had worsened in the past two to three years than improved. That question was asked in nine countries.


By big margins, those questioned said the war in Iraq (news - web sites) did not aid the global fight against terrorism.


And in eight out of 10 nations, those polled said — often in landslide proportions — that they hoped to see Democrat John Kerry (news - web sites) beat President Bush (news - web sites) in next month's election. Bush won backing from a majority of respondents only in Russia and Israel.


The polls were conducted in Canada, France, Britain, Spain, Japan, South Korea (news - web sites), Australia, Mexico, Israel and Russia, with results to be published in the participating newspapers on Friday. Not all questions were asked in every country.

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Posted on Friday, October 15, 2004 - 10:22 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Moonsigns:

If it weren't for these foreign countries lending us money to service the naitonal debt we would have been bankrupt already.

We also need them to buy our products, as well as others we count on for strategic materials.

We get almost all our titanium, an essential element in the construction of aircraft, from Africa as well as many raw materials needed to manufacture computer components.

Before WWI several economists theorized that war between the European nations was impossible since they were all so intertwined economically. Somebody obviously did not get the memo.

America is the most powerful country in the world, bar none, but it is not more powerful than all the others if they gang up on her, and America is quickly putting itself in the position of the Ottomons in the 16th Century, Spain in the 17th Century, or France in the 18th and early 19th, or Germany in the late 19th and 20th, or the Soviet Union in the 20th--the one for all the others to watch out for.
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Chris,

Like I said in one of my previous posts, we have created co-dependencies that are quite a double-edged sword. For this reason, the entire world may suffer greatly.



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Bleekindigo,

You are probably right. Because in spite of all of Bush’s failures (REALLY. What the F#$% has this guy accomplished anyway?), all the Wyatt Earp posturing Bush is doing likely will win it for him.

And GOD save us all if it does.

America needs to stop lying to itself. We must be out of our G.D. minds to think that Bush's acting like some fourth-rate John Wayne (who was himself a big*$$ fake) means that he knows Jack-$#*+ about defending our nation. Because if he REALLY knew that, we'd still have the World Trade Center.


Chris,

Well said!

I think that we seem to forget that this world existed for EONS before a United States of America was ever even thought of. And it would in all likelihood get along after the USA is gone.


Moonsigns,

You know, a guy named Nero once thought his precious/mighty Roman Empire was irreplaceable too.
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Posted on Friday, October 15, 2004 - 01:37 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Abm:

When I knew that many Americans, especially the ones into all that Cowboy sh*t were living in a fantasy world was the day I saw a magazine of American War heroes.

In the magazine, with genuine war heroes such as Alvin York, Chesty Puller, Audie Murphy, was John Wayne. The only actor, by the way in it (and there were actors who served in WWII, and saw combat Lee Marvin, Neville Brand
Eddie Albert, Clark Gable and others--none of them were in there)

John Wayne was never IN the service! But these people decided that what they saw on the screen was real--just like Ronald Reagan, who later insisted that he was present at the liberation of some Death Camps--he was in the service but never left the country--he DID narrate a movie in which that happened, though.

Those whom the Gods would destroy they first make mad.
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Abm,

I don't deny that America could be in trouble, however, other countries will suffer as well.
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Moonsigns,

Of course others will suffer. But we may be moving perilously close to point where MANY of them may be willing to "suffer". And, frankly, most other places are more prepped to "suffer" than we are.

Because we constitute less than 5% of the worlds population yet consume 25% of it resources. So who’s going to "suffer" more than we do if a material portion of the world turns against us? What would happen if China became so p*$$ed/frighten by our worsening relationship with their nuclear-enable wildcard neighbor N. Korea (which was incited by Bush) that to pacify NK, the adopted less favorable trade relations with us?

This whole thing about the US being able to bully others into doing our bidding is not as simple as we want to pretend that it is. Because if it were, there would be German, French and Spanish soldiers in Baghdad right now.


And I notice that you have not asserted whether you support Bush or Kerry, though much of what you say seems to suggest that you back Bush Junior. Moreover, you appear to suggest that a President Kerry would be somehow less inclined to keep his word (which, in all fairness, would be proscribed by hostile Republican Congress and Supreme Court.

And that's fine. You are free to vote for whomever you want. (Actually, believe it or not my WIFE considers herself one of the many [self-centered?] "undecided voters".)

But let me ask you a question: What promises have Bush made/kept other than to the nations wealthiest people, especially those who own oil, weapons, utility, construction and civil engineering companies?

And PULEASE don't say he promised and succeed at protecting us. Because as soon as you do, I'm going to point you right back to that gapping hole where the World Trade Building (and 3,000 people) used to be.
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Chris,

Guys like Bush, Reagan, John Wayne and Elvis were/are living symbols of the lies White (especially male) American enjoy tell each other about what America is.

I mean, think about this: We allow a group of jealous *$$holes who just happen drive swift boats sometime in Vietnam to discredit a fellow soldier who by all of the accounts of the men who served with him was a brave and honorable officer and gentleman. And we permitted this to occur in deference of another guy who not only opted out of active duty during a time of war, but he was even too much of a lazy*$$ to even show up a few weekends a month.

Yet this is who we believe to be a brave, earnest and hardworking President?

Man! It is like the entire nation has been lobotomized yet we still can’t figure out why gray matter is oozing from out of a hole in its head.
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Yessss, Moonie, all the subtle signs are there; your "my country, right or wrong, - my country," mind-set is showing through. When you exercise your right to vote, I'm betting you will cast your lot with George W. Bush, that God-fearing, imperilistic, red-white and blue facist who will keep his promise to save us from THE TERRORISTS - as soon as he figures out who and where they are.
Your prerogative.
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Like Abm's wife, I have yet to make my choice.

I believe in, as well as support this country, however, there are many things that I find wrong with it. Again, a double-edged sword. I am always trying to find the balance. I'm rather conservative regarding certain issues, however, I'm rather liberal on many others. Hopefully I will make my mind up in the next 2 1/2 weeks.

On occassion, I feel like becoming a rasta, droppin' out of mainstream America and moving to the West Indies --we all think crazy things sometimes. :-)

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Moonsigns,

Well Darlin. You wouldn’t be the first White woman to fantasize about relocating to Jamaica so she can have her P-YOW regularly serviced by scores of How Stella Got Her Taye Diggs lookalikes.
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Abm,

What are you talking about? Me relocating to the West Indies would have nothing to do with Taye Diggs lookalikes. Just because I'm a white woman married to ONE black man does not mean I fantasize about going to the West Indies to seek out all these black men. Stop playing into stereotypes.

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Simma down na, Moonpies! It was just a joke!

Wait a minute! Johnny Wayne was a fake? Not the Duke! Does that mean I gotta take all my posters down? Next thing you gonna tell me is Elvis is dead. You people are fulla shytt!
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John Wayne was a fake........naw......you gotta be kidding me Lampchop, who said that?

See, there y'all go with that mess again, what am I going to tell the kids.......daddy didn't know what he was talking about? Years of trust could come grumbling down. Somebody better tell me somethin'. Lampchop, who told you that. Let's stop this right here, next thing I know y'all will be telling me A_Womon is a fat white guy.
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Moonsigns,

Come on now, Pinky Tuscadero. Don't front!

Cuz we both know that at this very moment there are legions of White women (from all of the world) combin' Jamaican beaches while lustfully aspiring to get their backs blow out by gunja smokin' rastahs.


Carey,

Dat's not true! A_womon is actually quiet slender.


Lambd says: "Simma down na, Moonpies! It was just a joke!"
ABM says: Oh. Let her blow off some steam. Cuz you know White foks just ain't quite right unless they can be pissed at Blacks about something.

Lambd says: Wait a minute! Johnny Wayne was a fake?
ABM says: No. Actually he was quite 'real' about pretending to be something he was not.

Lambd says: Not the Duke!
ABM says: I mean, really. Just how bad could his slowtalkin, crabwalkin @$$ have been anyway? In real life he would have been knockdown on his @$$ by a Hollywood secretary.

Lambd says: "Does that mean I gotta take all my posters down?"
ABM says: Okay. Stop it right now! You're scaring me!

Lambd says: "Next thing you gonna tell me is Elvis is dead."
ABM says: Shhhhhh! Moonsigns might hear you and collapse into a hunka hunka burning tears.

Lambd says: "You people are fulla shytt!"
ABM says: I know. And we're trynah deal with that but this dang laxative hasn't kicked in yet.
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"Pinky"....that would be cute, but I'm not pink "darlin".

Maybe some "curious" few, however, "legions" is a stretch.

ELIVS IS DEAD!


:-)

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Moonsigns says: ""Pinky"....that would be cute, but I'm not pink "darlin"."
ABM says: What are you then, Thrilla Vanilla? Beige?

Moonsigns says: "Maybe some "curious" few, however, "legions" is a stretch."
ABM says: http://www.tourismconcern.org.uk/resources/infocus_sex_tourists_survey.htm
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Moonsigns,

Please supplant the link above with this one:

http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:YbGRT7lMJGQJ:www.tourismconcern.org.uk/reso urces/infocus_sex_tourists_survey.htm+%22white+women%22+%22jamaican+men%22&hl=en &lr=&ie=UTF-8&strip=1
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Moonsigns,

So it looks like you White women are pickin' up right about where your daddies started off.
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Abm,

I've heard of this before, but again, I think it is hyped up. Like you, I still believe that interracial unions (in whatever form) are not the norm. I think the percentage of the population (world wide) that engage in mess like this is relatively low. About "pickin up right about where your daddies started off", don't include me in that number. My people didn't get to the states until recent. NONE of my folks were involved in any kind of slave trade, nor did they condone MESS like that. I know.

Beige :-)
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Moonsigns,

You can believe whatcha want. But there ARE hordes of White people, men and women, who are scavenging Africa, Central/South America and the Caribbean to work off them some kinky-haired sex fantasy.

http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:8Agexh2QG5kJ:www.caribvoice.org/Travel%26To urism/sextourism.html+%22white+women%22+%22sex+tourists%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:FDDEZ2sqhBEJ:www.ligali.org/resource/the_pr ice_of_a_holiday_fling.pdf+%22white+women%22+%22sex+tourists%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8


But why don't we hear about what's going on: What 'respectable', middleclass married White woman is going to let it be known that while in Jamaica she got her c@@chie blissfully discombobulated by some monstrously endowed 18 year old native?

(I have even heard tale of men tacitly sanctioning their women randy excursions. I guess they do so to allay their own guilt for conducting similarly illicit relations in Buenos Aires and Thailand.)

Are interracial marriages the "norm"? No. But are interracial booty calls the norm. Very much so. Except what you have are a lot of people doing 'stuff' WITHOUT openly talking about and presenting it.

Look. If I had knocked boots with just 10 percent of the White/Asian/Hispanic chicks that were trynah bring it to me, you'd think that I been assigned to be the "Sexual Liaison" to the United Nations or something.


Pardon me. But it always bugs me when White people try to conveniently absolve their lineage from the scourge of slavery because they just happened to have immigrated here postbellum when had your "daddies" gotten here earlier, they in all likelihood would have helped perpetuate the status quo of disenfranchised Black people.

And not all of you "daddies" had to first come to America to become involved in that kind of "MESS". Cause it was going on ALL OVER the place!
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Well, Moonsigns, you know of course that your glow has lost its luster now that I, who admittedly am passionately prejudiced against anyone who leans toward Geroge Bush, have detected that you are a closet conservative. You say you are liberal in some areas? Hummmm. Which ones? And you think about becoming a Rasta, huh? You are aware that this is a religion, aren't you? Do you have a secret yen to be converted by a lean, sensual, hot-eyed Reggae musician with a headful of dread locks?
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Cynique,

You'll never reach Moonsigns on the presidential issue. Cause some of these White people have become so psyche-out by Bush's fake "I'm gon nab me dem varmit Erb turriss" act, that reason need not even apply for the job.

But I guess she is at least "liberal" from the standpoint of being married to and raising kids with a Black man. Cuz that is certainly not the most "conservative" (reactionary, racist, segregationist, Nazi b*st*rd$) thing to do.

And the answer to your last question is so obvious that I can see a nude White woman swaying to Bob Marley music as I read it.
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True, interracial marriage isn't exactly an ear-mark of conservatism, Abm, although many prominent conservative black men are married to white women. And, Ya Mon, I can see Moonsigns now, sharing a joint and a bottle of rum with a Jamaican stud pulsating with a desire to blend his black body with her white one so they can exude the gray smoke of a fiery climax.
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Cynique,

"Closet conservative"....lol, I have been called many things here, but that is the best yet :-)

Cynique, I'm very torn about voting. Which of the two evils is better? I'd rather not vote at all, but I feel I have a responsibility. My personal politics are interesting to say the least. It is proably why I can't make up my mind, plus the fact that I believe much of America is a corporate "rat race" that I'm really not into.

No, I'd never become a rasta. There are different sects of rastas, however, I pretty much like their beliefs on peace (with the exception of the anti-White sect). I'm very familiar with rastafarian beliefs. I married into a West Indian family.
About Bob, yeah he was 'fione', however, too out there for me. He spread his love a bit too thin for my liking. His music is amazing and the bunches of kids he fathered are pretty amazing as well. Definitely a womanzier, but definitely gifted and in touch with his ultimate purpose. No, I don't fantasize about being "converted" for the sole purpose of meeting up with a man like this.

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Cynique,

Yeah, while you sit at my kitchen table smokin' a joint rolled from the best herb, sippin' on the finest Jamaican rum, I'd cook you up the best pot of 'rice and peas' you've EVER had --along side some roast chicken, callaloo and fried plantains!

All of this considering you drink, smoke a bit and aren't a vegetarian. We'd welcome you anytime! :-)



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Abm,

What do you consider blacks who are for Bush? Are they "psyched out", too?

You have met more racist white people than not Abm, however, my people aren't from the "normal" white stock (if we can call it that). I don't think most blacks know how to deal with a person like me. I'd be rich if I had a dollar for everytime I've been told, "You're not like any other white person I've ever met", or "You're not a regular white girl." I understand what people are saying. You can be as bugged as you'd like, but truth is, my people just aren't typical Whites. My extended, intermarried family is proof of that. I only have one white cousin (male) who married someone white. Everyone else, we're all intermarried (not just black/white either). We weren't brainwashed to believe it was evil or wrong. We were allowed to love and be love. No walls. No barriers.



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Moonsigns,

Sure those Blacks are "psyched out" too. But there's no where near as high a percentage of'em as there are of your foks.


Hmmmm?

You paint an interesting picture while discussing your background. What do you attribute your familial interracial love fest to? Because if what you say is true, it suggests that you are from a clan of people who seem to inherently, if not actively, attempt to perpetuate something different from yourselves.
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I don't consider other whites "my folks" just because they are white. Humaness first. I have met more people that are "my folks" that aren't white.

I attribute my "familial interracial love fest" (gosh where do come up with this stuff?!) to this simple thing (which I already said in my previous post). We weren't brainwashed to believe other races/colors/cultures/faiths of people were evil or wrong because they were different than our own. We were allowed to love and be loved. No walls. No barriers. I was NEVER told to stay away from certain people for who they were (God-given). I was NEVER told that I couldn't be friends with certain people because of what they looked like, where they were from, or what their faith backround was. It's about humaness first. Matters of culture were taught to me in the respect that they are to be celebrated and embraced, rather than shunned because they were unlike our own. My father traveled and lived outside of America at different points in his young adulthood. He was fluent in other languages besides English and my mother supported him tremendously. I was raised around other cultures, faiths, races (colors) of people my entire young life. As much as other families make color, race, culture and faith a divider, mine made it an experience to learn from and embrace. It's not the norm, I know. However, it was/is absolutely liberating to be part of a family like this.

"Interracial love fest" --that's great! You would enjoy the pictures we've taken of all these very sweet babies (that are all cousins) that look so very different, but yet, are family.



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Moonsigns,

Okay. I like to sing Kum Bai Yah too. So it's cool your people are so open.

Still. There are so many more White people in this country than there are any other race of people in this country. So if you have clan of White people that have interbred as frequently as you appear to suggest your family has, it would seem that for some reason that has been an intentional/active pursuit. It seem as if someone was out to make a 'point' of some sort.
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Abm,

It's not an active pursuit. It's about being inclusive rather than exclusive. That's it. The world is a big, big place with tons of cool people to vibe with. Life's too short to close doors, especially when it can lead to love and/or learning.

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There is no way, IMO, that Moonsigns can post the shit that she HAS POSTED....and be from any such family from the Green Party pamphlets.

I believe she's backtracking because Cynique observed her as a Conservative Republican.

And as well, this United Nations Basket of Kittens (they come with "ONE LOVE" pins, you know) makes her seem like the person she's been trying to convince us she is...just because she married a Good Knee-GROW.

****But not more than a WEEK AGO....she was informing me that HER children would never want to go to Africa (remember that post?) and especially wouldn't want to live there.

Now, certainly MOON (being from the family she's from)...is aware that there are 50 NATIONS in Africa. And each nation has literally hundreds of tribes and cultures. Sudan itself has more than 125 tribes and cultures and 300 language dialects---including 120 versions of ARABIC.

Yet HER children wouldn't want to "go there", because they might run into evil hateful Kola Bitches.

I'm sure that next she'll be informing Lambd that....THAT'S RIGHT, I DO HAVE A BASKETBALL BOOTY LIKE KOLA BOOF'S.....and will be continuing her claim that her WEST INDIAN HUSBAND is too devout and NOBLE to cheat on her--which is mainly owing to the fact that's she's WHITE and too good a wife to suffer such stew.

After all, none of us in here know anything about the sex habits of West Indian Black men....THE BIGGEST FUCKING CHEATERS OUTSIDE OF CONTINENTAL AFRICA "DICK-LAND"!!!!

But that's why she watches some juevenile SEXIST bullshit like BET's "Uncut". Ms. Feminist Ideology herself.

She doesn't mind watching black women degraded and objectified, sexualized as MEAT.....as long as she can sit her fat ass around black men and pledge her aprobation with them and "THEIR" SEXISM---because she thinks it's cute and makes her COOL.

Typical two-faced dirty White Bitch.








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****But not more than a WEEK AGO....she was informing me that HER children would never want to go to Africa (remember that post?) and especially wouldn't want to live there.

Now, certainly MOON (being from the family she's from)...is aware that there are 50 NATIONS in Africa. And each nation has literally hundreds of tribes and cultures. Sudan itself has more than 125 tribes and cultures and 300 language dialects---including 120 versions of ARABIC.

Yet HER children wouldn't want to "go there", because they might run into evil hateful Kola Bitches.

I'm sure that next she'll be informing Lambd that....THAT'S RIGHT, I DO HAVE A BASKETBALL BOOTY LIKE KOLA BOOF'S.....and will be continuing her claim that her WEST INDIAN HUSBAND is too devout and NOBLE to cheat on her--which is mainly owing to the fact that's she's WHITE and too good a wife to suffer such stew.

After all, none of us in here know anything about the sex habits of West Indian Black men....THE BIGGEST FUCKING CHEATERS OUTSIDE OF CONTINENTAL AFRICA "DICK-LAND"!!!!

But that's why she watches some juevenile SEXIST bullshit like BET's "Uncut". Ms. Feminist Ideology herself.

She doesn't mind watching black women degraded and objectified, sexualized as MEAT.....as long as she can sit her fat ass around black men and pledge her aprobation with them and "THEIR" SEXISM---because she thinks it's cute and makes her COOL.

Typical two-faced dirty White Bitch.



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Kola, Kola, Kola

Let's get it straight.

You said my children weren't "good enough" for your "Blackness"....to create your image. After reading that, I'm sure they would never want to go where you're from if they aren't made to feel adequate. That is why I wrote what I wrote. They are no fool to the prejudice that EQUALLY rears it's head in the black community. Your comments, from the mouth of a black woman, prove my point.

And no, I don't have a "basketball azz" like you --nor do I want one. What I have is good for ME and looks good on ME. I'm not into competing with other chicks when no one else can be ME and I can't be ANYONE else. Grow-up!

My husband is just like ANY other man. He could cheat. He could remain faithful. If he stays, he'll be loved. If he goes he'll be told never to come back and think he can rest his head on my breasts, eat the food I make or reap the benefits of my love, period! My whiteness has nothing to do with him staying, or if he wanted, leaving. He stays because it has been a good thing. However, I'm humble enough to realize life changes, people change and I'm not exempt from relational pain. I could suffer just as the next woman could.

NO, I don't watch BET'S 'Uncut'. I stumbled across it as I couldn't sleep last night. It's nastie and degrading. I do mind watching it, as I turned it quickly.

You don't know what you are talking about. Stop allowing your emotions to get in the way of logic.

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Posted on Sunday, October 17, 2004 - 06:58 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

***YAWN***

I'm sorry I even wasted my time commenting at all.

You should feel the same.






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Posted on Sunday, October 17, 2004 - 07:32 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

That's o.k. --play it off.



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Posted on Sunday, October 17, 2004 - 07:46 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Play what off?

The fact that I'm convinced you're just another two faced dirty white bitch with good intentions and even more jungle book stories than your sorry ass ancestors had?

I already stated that plainly.

But since I despise myself when I'm being mean and evil, I try not to say anything.

There's nothing to PLAY about.

You're just an annoying puddle of vomit that we have step around.






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Posted on Sunday, October 17, 2004 - 07:57 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

And you're goddamned right.

I don't want your bastard fuckers!!!!

You've got these Black Americans fooled, half because YOU USED TO OWN THEM and half because they wish they were white themselves...but I'm not one of your grand-pappy's happy-time negroes clicking my heels in the cotton field just A WAIT'N for your smarmy, nasty WHITE ASS to come out on the porch.

They should of slit your fucking throat!

Your goddamned BASTARDS are NO RELATION to my Nilotic-Garifuna boys. You understand me devil bitch?

And you tell that Knot-fucker you call a husband...that rotten Jamaican Goat-fucker that I said so--so he can hate my black ass even more than he hates his own mama!!

I'm not raising any goddamned NIGGERS in my house, you rat-hearted pit-brained Caucasoid Bitch.






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Kola,

We all have opinions, but that doesn't mean they are an accurate reflection of reality. Your comments to me are a prime example of this. I'm sure you know by now that I don't care what you think about me.



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The minute I read "bastard f******", I stopped reading. Really, it's unwarranted.

I've read it all before. YAWN.

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And I'm sure the WHOLE WORLD knows that I don't give a damn what you, your white family fuckers, your nigger family fuckers, your nice middle class black girlfriends and NO GOT DAMN BODYYY else....thinks of my black evil ass.

I told you not to drag me into a fight, bitch.


You want everybody to think you're a United Nations multi-culturalism "I love all Humans" kind of woman.....and that's your identity.....GOOD.

But I don't like your two faced phoney ass and I don't buy it.

That's all I'm saying, Martha Washington.

You goddamned right I act immature about it.

Because that's how the SLAVES should have acted 400 years ago. Immature.

They'd probably been FREE if they had just had sense enough to act.....immature.

And slit all your white throats. You damn Nordic Polar Bear bastards!!!


















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