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Abm
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Post Number: 1620
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 09:12 am: | 
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NOW. Should this woman be charged with a crime?
09:23 AM EDT
Charges Dropped Against Anthony Anderson
By WOODY BAIRD, AP
MEMPHIS, Tenn. (Oct. 6) - A judge dismissed rape charges against "Barbershop" actor Anthony Anderson on Wednesday, saying testimony by his accuser was some of the most "suspicious" he has ever heard.
AP
Anderson, center, leaves the Criminal Justice Center in Memphis Wednesday after a judge dismissed rape charges against him.
Judge Anthony Johnson said the woman's testimony at a preliminary hearing did not produce probable cause to let the charges stand.
"This is absolutely the most suspicious case I've ever heard," the judge said.
Defense lawyers said the 25-year-old woman accused Anderson in hopes of getting money from him. The judge "thought this case needs to be stopped and stopped right now," defense attorney Leslie Ballin said.
The woman was seeking a job as an extra in the film "Hustle & Flow" when she accused Anderson and assistant director Wayne Witherspoon of attacking her in a trailer on the movie set.
A rape charge also was dismissed against Witherspoon.
Testifying to the judge, the woman acknowledged having sex with both Anderson and Witherspoon over a period of several days before the reported attack. She said those encounters also were forced but she didn't report them. |
Chrishayden
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Post Number: 711
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 11:06 am: |
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It would be a waste of time. It was not her decision to drop the charges. The judge dropped the charges. She could maintain the judge just didn't believe her.
Nobody would give her any time.
Anderson and Witherspoon are pretty stupid, banging the same woman over several days--they probably promised her the job and then laughed in her face after she gave it up. She fixed their asses. Let this be a lesson to them. |
Abm
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Post Number: 1623
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 02:48 pm: |
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Chris,
Of course you are right. I hope they learn from this.
Yeah. The world is much more apt to convict and incarcerate a innocent Black man than it is to hold accountable a Black woman who falsely accused said Black man of rape.
Now Andersen is forever tarnished. His family relations are in ruins. And the State of Tennessee has wasted +$10,000 of its taxpayers money and manhours that could have been applied in legitimate legal action.
Yet the person who precipitated this entire fallacious incident can slink her funky@$$ back into whorish obscurity.
I hope, though, Andersen sues this woman. Perhaps that would discourage other opportunistic hoochies from trying to use their c**chies as a tool of extortion. |
Moonsigns
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Post Number: 311
Registered: 07-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 06:40 pm: |
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The men should have definitely learned a lesson. What comes of them/their families is their own fault. Nevertheless, the woman is a straight whore.
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Kola_boof
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Username: Kola_boof
Post Number: 113
Registered: 07-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 02:53 am: |
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Well, MOON....I don't see how you can call this woman a straight whore....and not Anderson and Witherspoon. They're even BIGGER whores, since they're married and made vows...right?
And I'm not willing to demonize this woman at all.
Chris is right. She probably fixxed their asses for reniging on a promise to help her advance in her career.
I myself have slept with more than one man in a single day and had the time of my life doing so---and I wasn't any different than the men sewing their wild oats--we were buddies having a few drinks and fucking around in the bedroom. I just use the word "whore/slut" as shorthand...to spare others the DETAILS of my adventures of youth.
I think every woman should experience sewing her wild oats (hopefully in her youth...or...as a middle aged woman). And if she wants to barter deals from it....that's good, too.
But the men have to learn to STICK TO THE DEAL or refrain from getting wet, because there are....at last....MANY LAWS to help women nail their asses.
And ABM...far more BLACK MEN (milllions!)....have gotten away with raping and molesting BLACK WOMEN and "girls".....than have ever been set up on phoney charges.
57 black women are raped on the continent of AFRICA every 2 seconds...by black men, many times their own FATHERS....and they have NO LAWS to protect them.
I have no sympathy for Anderson and Witherspoon. Fuck'em.
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Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 1635
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 04:45 am: |
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Kola,
She's a HO!
A woman (or man) who demands/receive direct compensation for @$$ is a HO. You can call it 'bartering' if you want. But most dictionaries I have read call it prostitution.
Save the worldwide rape news reports. Because rapes perpetrated by others are not legitimate justification for some scheming HO crying rape. If anything, chicks like her make it even MORE difficult to effectively prosecute REAL rapes.
And hell. We couldn't build enough jails to house the guys fingered by dissatisfied women.
Yes. Andersen and Witherspoon are cheating male sluts/'tricks'. And I agree if they reneged on some deal, they deserved to get served. Of course, though, it is difficult for her to cop to that in court, now.
Isn't it?
And you of all foks should know better!
Look. Everybody knows p*$$% is dealt more freely in Hollywood than sunshine. What? She's the FIRST freak who's been smoothed outtah the coochera by some horny actor?
Come on now!
Freak shouldah just picked her(skanky)self up, dusted her sell off and hoped the next actor (or actress) she blows would reciprocate. But now, she's pretty much ruined her chance to walk the red carpets of LaLa Land. |
Moonsigns
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Post Number: 314
Registered: 07-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 07:31 am: |
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Kola,
You're right, the men are whores as well and they should get what they deserve --their wives should leave them IF they have any sense of self-respect.
Abm is right about the woman though. What she did is called prostitution.
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Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 1637
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 08:10 am: |
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Ladies,
I find it interesting that you have skirted the REAL/VALID issue of how what this woman did negatively impacts REAL rape victims from receiving adequate protection and justice. |
Lambd
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Post Number: 610
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 08:53 am: |
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Fuk what Anthony Anderson did. There is no law against it. Yes, it is dirty as hell by its not against the law. Women and men are guilty of double dealing and then renigging on a deal after sex. Grow the fuk up. The villain in this tale is the woman who went to the cops and cried rape when no rape ensued. To even bring up anything else is ridiculous. Grow up!
1) One she went to the cops! Why bring in another party? Bcuz her feelings were hurt and she didn't get what she wanted? That's bull! If she wanted to get at those guys there were plenty of other options. (Personally, I like blackmail/extortion).
2)This dumbass broad messed her self up by going public with this crap because she won't ever be lucky enough to get into another audition. She's probably blacklisted because of her antics.
I hate to say it, but I'm with Abm on this one. Yeah, yeah! I know he's a sexist jerk, but he's right. |
Abm
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Post Number: 1639
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 09:26 am: |
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Lambd,
Uh...thanks for the support, my brothah (I think<?>). |
Moonsigns
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Post Number: 316
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 09:37 am: |
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Abm,
True, what she did has a terrible impact on women who do suffer and endure rape.
I also look at the deeper issue, which is fundamentally, sexism. She is conditioned to think that she can exploit men sexually, and they are willing to exploit her. All parties are to blame.
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Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 1640
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 09:39 am: |
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Moonsigns,
Please 'define' "sexism". |
Jmho
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Post Number: 81
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 09:46 am: |
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Moonsigns wrote:
I also look at the deeper issue, which is fundamentally, sexism. She is conditioned to think that she can exploit men sexually, and they are willing to exploit her. All parties are to blame.
So true. In these situations there aren't any innocent victims. All should be held accountable for their actions. Long before you had those crying wolf about being raped, there were some people who didn't or wouldn't believe the woman when she said was raped. |
Lambd
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Post Number: 614
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 10:06 am: |
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So, so true. Each and everytime someone like this pulls a stunt it makes it that much harder for real rape victims to prove that a crime has been committed against them. |
Lambd
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Post Number: 615
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 10:08 am: |
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I have no sympathy whatsoever for this broad. I know women that have been raped and it disgusts me to no end when women cry wolf. The same goes for sexual harassment. This is a real problem in the workplace and some women use and exploit the sensitivity of this issue for their own gains. |
Abm
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Post Number: 1642
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 10:09 am: |
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Jmho,
It is one thing to cheat on one's wife. It is quite another to falsely accuse someone of rape. Because the former does not involve possible prison time. The later does.
As Lambd suggested, the more appropriate thing for this woman to do was to tell or threaten to tell Andersen's wife what he did with her. |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 1643
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 10:36 am: |
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Personal story:
One of my bestfriends was involved with this chick while in college. As is often the case, their college romance began to falter. And he decided to move on. He stupidly mention that to someone and the news got back to the woman.
Get this: This chick was so malevolently enraged that she dropped in on him in his dorm room and absolutely F#$%ED his brain out. I mean, he said the $#*+ was so good he seriously thought about calling off the break-up.
Then, the next day, campus security comes knocking on his door. They demand that he go with them to the security office (they didn't even tell him then WHAT was going on). But he, figuring he hadn't done anything wrong, voluntarily went with them.
When he gets to the office, he see the SOBBING woman, her catty/instigating friends and the Dean of Students are all waitin' for him.
The chick accused him of rape!
He had to sitting calmly while this chick told such a whithering assortment of lies HE started crying too!
Eventually, they release him pending a excruiatingly lengthy investigation. And for the better part of 2 months, he endured accusations/innuedo about from everyone on campus about his being a rapist.
Of course dating was out. And even friends of his began avoiding being around him. After all: Who want to be with associated with a 'rapist'?
Amazingly though the woman's MOTHER of all people knew/trusted him enough to question the authenticity of the her daughters accusations (And it also helped that they had a less than idyillic mother-daughter relationship.). Eventually, via the mother's pressure, the woman confessed that he hadn't raped her.
She 'apologized' and played up the wounded girl role to woe-be-a-woman perfection. And all was forgiven...for her at least.
My friend, however, was STILL viewed as a rapist for the balance of the time he remained a college student.
And although he probably won't admit it, that incident that occurred over +20 years has forever damaged him. He's grossly suspicious of ALL women.
Though he's a very well-educated, productive, generous and loving man (he dotes on my daughters almost as much as I do), he's never married and ain't none to excited about the prospects of such either.
And everytime he talk about women, he appear as though he's sitting in that security office with his entire life hanging by a thread. |
Kola_boof
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Post Number: 117
Registered: 07-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 12:03 pm: |
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Given a choice between THE WOMAN, Anderson and Witherspoon....
I remain on the Woman's side.
100%.
Fuck Anthony Anderson and John Witherspoon. I'm sure they're somewhere cheating on their wives SOME MORE with some other "skanks"....created by fathers and uncles like themselves.
Because all of you are demonizing this woman and have branded her a HO....but failed to call these men SKANKS or HO's (which they're even lower than that)....I am identifying with and sympathizing with this woman.
And ABM...fuck your friend who's suspicious of ALL WOMEN. "GOOD". He got burned and now he's suspicious of ALL WOMEN. If that's the case, then the majority of the world's women should HATE ALL MEN. Let his suspicious ass find his way to a good gay boy or something.
And what's wrong with prostitution?
Does every woman on earth have to bow down and "love and marry" one of these rotten, sorry bastards just to prove that she's worthy of the title of human being?
She engaged in prostitution. GOOD. Those sorry assholes should have PAID UP.
They didn't and they got jacked. GOOD.
I'm down with homegirl 100%
And MILLIONS of black women have been RAPED...more than any other woman on this earth FOR CENTURIES AND CENTURIES....and not a goddamned black man stood up to protect them, honor them or acknowledge that they had even been violated.
Hell, the muscles in my own vagina are tied together and stitched tight, exclusively for MEN'S PLEASURE....and I consider that a a form of infant rape by a culture that has ALWAYS allowed women to be raped, butchered and dehumanized.
Now all of a sudden---two BLACK MEN get shanked by the whore THEY CREATED---and we're all supposed to whine and have a funeral over it.
So I could give a fuck what ABM, MOON and LAMBD have to say about it.
I'm with the SKANK ASS HO 100% She should find me. I'll give her a good speaking part in the movie that I intend to make in a couple of years.
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Kola_boof
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Post Number: 118
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 12:04 pm: |
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LAMBD said:
This is a real problem in the workplace and some women use and exploit the sensitivity of this issue for their own gains.
AWWWWWWWWWWWWWW.
GOOD.
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Lambd
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Post Number: 618
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 01:36 pm: |
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Kola, you got a f+8kin' problem! What you are saying is ridiculous. I kept from challenging you on any other issue, but what you are saying is crazy. Sexual harassment in the workplace IS a serious problem and women that lie about it are only making it harder for other victims. You have your reasons for thinking otherwise (even though you admit that you don't have a job so how you can have an honest opinion on what goes on in any workplace, I don't know) but don't call me out. I never attack you so don't make me out to be one of your enemies. You punk alot of people on the boards but I'm from S.E.too, goddam!+, and you should know I don't have a punk card. So go head wit dat bamma shytt! you aint the only one that can git ghetto! |
Lambd
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Post Number: 619
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 01:48 pm: |
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Personal story:
A woman on a job that I worked years ago had to be put on a three day suspension. And since I was midlevel manangement, it was always left up to me to do the counselling. Well, I talked to the woman and put her on suspension. Wouldn't you know that she filed a complaint and wrote a statement that I told her that she could make this go away if we went in the empty office across the hall and did the nasty on the floor.
I was put on administrative leave for a whole month without pay pending an investigation. They interviewed about a hundred people and dragged my name through the mud, stirring up suspicion and distrust while I sweated it out at home for a full freakin' month. I couldn't go to work somewhere else because in my line of work I would have had to start at the bottom again. Finally, when the investigation was over they never apologized, but I was paid and "allowed" to go back to work as if they were doing me a favor. Soon after, I left that place and got a better job in a different capacity from a guy that had the same experience before and understood what I had to go through. Part of my job now is to give a class on sexual harassment and the proper way to go about investigating these charges. This sort of thing could happen to any of us at any time. Its incredibly hard to decipher who is the real victim in these cases. |
Kola_boof
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Post Number: 120
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 01:57 pm: |
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LOL at Lambd, the "ghetto man".
Lambd, you were just asking me the other day, because of my huge high titties upon which the nipples got hard from hugging you---"Got milk?"
Yet you devoted a "love poem" to A_Womon.
You don't remember that?
Listen, you big well endowed piece of King Daddy Meat you...
You may be right...but after you guys totally ganged up on homegirl and demonized her without demonizing Anderson and Witherspoon....I put on blinders and took up for her no matter how senseless it was.
Black men do it all the time.
And WOMEN can make a lot of money from making false Sexual Harrassment claims, LAMBD.
If they can get somebody like KOBE...they can walk away with millions.
I think KOBE is completely innocent of the rape charges.....but I intend to CHEER, to absolutely cheer and celebrate when they hand that check over to KOBE's white girl in Colorado.
She did it. She pulled it off!
All because he was a rotten piece of shit of a man to begin with.
ROlling-on-da-floor-buttnaked-and spanking-mybooty-laughing-like-a-bitch!!!!!!
HA..HA...HA.
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Moonsigns
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Post Number: 321
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I don't think Kobe's accuser should get one penny. |
Moonsigns
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Post Number: 322
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 02:11 pm: |
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and when all is said and done, these nasty bytches do make it more difficult for women who are TRULY traumatized by rape. |
Jmho
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 02:42 pm: |
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Abm wrote:
It is one thing to cheat on one's wife. It is quite another to falsely accuse someone of rape.
ABM, I never said or implied that the two are the same. However, in both instances someone lied. And, lying is lying.
I was agreeing with Moonsigns in that all involved are to blame and don't see the point of trying tipping the scale of 'rightness' in one person's direction, i.e., the woman or either actor. Or trying to give the label of whore (or if you prefer, ho) to one instead of both of them based on their individual actions.
I'll leave that "which one is more wrong" argument to the rest of you all on this issue. |
Kola_boof
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Post Number: 124
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 02:46 pm: |
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Moon said:
and when all is said and done, these nasty bytches do make it more difficult for women who are TRULY traumatized by rape.
I AGREE 100%, Moon.
BUT NASTY BYTCHES ARE BRED BY THE SOCIETY....NOT BORN INATE.
And if people on here spent half the time caring about the 14 yr. old girl that 36 yr. old R. Kelly dicked and pissed on in his HOME MOVIE...then maybe we would not be creating these NASTY BYTCHES and could turn up our noses with integrity...rather than hypocracy.
And as for KOBE's accuser....she WILLL get paid. Because....she's WHITE.
And nobody's paying good intentioned MOON or mean evil KOLA to "think".
And as a black woman who has been abused, not protected, called a bitch and disrespected SO MUCH...I now find myself regularly rooting for the other BITCHES.
GO MEAN AND EVIL BITCHES OF THE WORLD!!!!
GO!!!!
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Lambd
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Post Number: 624
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 02:48 pm: |
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Kola,
I recognize and admire your huge high titties, and if I ever see you again I'll make damn sure those nipples get the royal treatment that an African Queen such as your self deserves.
However, my cyberheart belongs to Cyniques and she continues to wring it dry like a dishrag whenever we talk.
I have to continue to write love poems to A_woman because I am infatuated by her youth and her self admitted pretty and petite description. Even moreso now that ol' Sarge has spilled the beans about her picture. My member rises whenever I think about Ohio. I suppose I'll get chin checked a thousand times on Columbus Day by my own (how did Abm put it?) Jim Browski. I keep turning over my computer desk whenever the name A-woman is mentioned....Ooops! See what you made me do? Now what am I supposed to do with this thing? |
Kola_boof
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Post Number: 125
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 02:57 pm: |
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Well, Lambd, that's exactly why I didn't bother you.
Your silence always spoke volumnes....and we're all here in good fun anyway.
I don't have anything (not really) against anyone in here, including MOON who I'm so mean to and Cynique who I've always had all out war with.
Here, darling, have some Palm wine.
And as for that big JOHNSON of yours....lets just say that I'm glad you warned me. I couldn't take it anyway....and after 8 years of Thomas, I'm hoping to have a break from you Tree Branch tribesmen.
I just want someone (hopefully black) who's a great conversationalist, likes good food and likes making love in the creek or at the beach...and watching the stars and laughing afterwards.
I just want PEACE.
P.S.
I've only been playing devils advocate here...taking up for this girl that dogged Anderson and Witherspoon. As I said, if EVERYBODY hadn't routed and demonized her so SINGULARLY...I wouldn't have come out so strong taking her side.
I could fight for the men just as bitterly, if this were a bunch of women in here egging the men only. And I have done so, many times.
You should know me daddy (Wink) and that I huff and puff and don't mean HALF the mean things I throw out in frustrated anger.
I love you and you know it.
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Cynique
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Post Number: 1523
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 03:47 pm: |
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Whachoo talkin bout, Lambd? Are you mistaking my hugs for tugs? You know you still my sweetie. And just to reassure you, here's some smooches for ya, - here and there, all over your face, and your neck, and your chest and your nipples and um,...like that. |
Kola_boof
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Post Number: 127
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 03:54 pm: |
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And by the way, LAMBD, you and A_Womon would make a truly beautiful and compatible couple. I think it could actually lead to wedding bells.
After Cynique and I break you in of course, our sweet SON....and teach A_Womon some tongue tricks. LOL
Just kidding.
But then again, that is a thought. Me, Cynique, Moon, Breezy and Brei715 could have a little "party" to CROWN the prince and bequeath him with our BLESSING before he goes forth in marriage with the princess.
I could make the whipped cream and Moon could bring the condoms.
As for JustWrite, she IS the most gorgeous woman I've seen here...but she's young and in charge and I think too many rich, dashing black men would challenge you for her hand.
I haven't seen A_WOMON, but I've heard she's pretty and she reminds me of me in a way. I just KNOW she knows what to do with a man...and is a sweet girl at heart, like me.
NOW....somebody who I HAVE SEEN and who is REALLY, REALLY a pretty black woman..is SISGAL.
She's MUCH younger than she acts and she's very attractive and classy.
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Kola_boof
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Post Number: 128
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 03:56 pm: |
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Oh, and lets not forget Kathleen Cross. She's single (I believe) and pretty and drops in..from time to time.
dot.com
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Abm
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Post Number: 1648
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 07:30 pm: |
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Kola,
I was going to respond to your prior caustic views on this subject. But since they (apparently) sober up towards the end of this thread, I shall abstain.
But I probably agree with your views about prostitution.
I think that it is most unfairly prosecuted crime (even more so than drug addiction/abuse). Because if 2 consenting adults can agree to engage in sex whenever/however they chose, they should also be free to include whatever terms they mutually require and agree to, including financial renumeration.
And to be honest, most intimate relationships between men/women are conducted on a quid pro quo basis of some sort.
But I was simply saying "How she gun be a HO then try to cry rape when (allegedly) the deal fell thru?" when her doing so harms other women who genuinely HAVE been raped/molested.
Lastly, I find it interesting how women often presume that men are the source of ALL their troubles. Isn't it possible that this woman was rotten from the get-out, without the prior help of any man?
PS: I hindsight, I should have avoided mentioning what happened to my friend. Because your (usual) confrontational response to what I said about him has slightly angered me.
Lambd,
Thanks for sharing you own struggles. I have been amazing blessed to have manage to avoid being similarly caught up. But as I think back on my decades in assorted workplaces, I think that I EASILY could have gotten into similar trouble.
HAHA!
"Jim Browski" is a phallic synonyms hilariously referred to in one of my favorite hip-hop songs "Jimmy" by legendary NYC rapper KRS-1. |
Kola_boof
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Post Number: 129
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 08:59 pm: |
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But ABM..that's why I did it.
To anger you.
Because you angered me.
I'm glad you're over there pissed off and wanting to slap me around.
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High_density
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ABM wrote:
Lastly, I find it interesting how women often presume that men are the source of ALL their troubles. Isn't it possible that this woman was rotten from the get-out, without the prior help of any man?
High_Density says:
Yes, I concur that "some" women blame men for all of their troubles, because for some women it is easier to blame someone else instead of taking responsibility for their own poor judgements and sexual misbehavior.
Woe to Johnson, Whitherspoon, and the un-named female....but I have no sympathy for adults behaving badly.
Surely, they will reap what they have sown.
BTW: What about morality? Is there no sense of right or wrong when it comes to sexual behavior? As a father of two daughters, what advice will you give them on responsible sexual behavior?
Just curious...
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Kola_boof
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ABM is raising his daughters that they might have to "share a man" when they grow up...in lieu of being lesbians or marrying a sexy latino boy.
I hope that makes ABM REALLY mad.
Because I've been trying to get him to slap me around some....
He owns several companies you know. And is a very successful black man.
And this could be my chance.....to get some of that wallet.
(Camera moves into closeup as Mean Evil Kola sucks her finger and flutters her STRANGE face in the lens seductively)
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LMAO
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Abm
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 11:43 pm: |
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High_density,
Well, first, I don't think that you can focus on sex in absentia of broader social relationships between males and females. And I think part of the problem is we are trying to assert these obscure, arcane sex rules without placing them within a rational context of WHY certain things should/shouldn't be done. But I will list some of the things I have and/or will talk about with my daughters.
No matter what I guys says to you, unless there's some other reasons for you to be associated (e.g., church, school, work, etc.), chances are he's playing friendly with you to get in your pants.
Yes. What you think/fear is true.
That doesn't necessarily mean that he's evil, disrespectful or misogynistic. He's just operating on a primal urge. And that urge is primarily responsible for ALL OF US being here. Thus, the results of that urge will prove VERY persuasive. So respect it.
But protect yourselves. Be friendly and affable. Yet limit the number of times/opportunities that you grant a guy to talk you into getting into trouble.
Learn to enjoy buying and using condoms...ALWAYS...unless you're married.
PERIOD.
Use them as soon as you become sexually active so that you become acclimated to them and thus are less bothered by them later. I don't care WHAT your relationship is. Do NOT have unprotected sex with him unless he has promised before your GOD, state government and family/friends to "love, honor and protect" you.
Know that if you overtly tender sex for favors you will in all likelihood be made to feel physically/emotionally/spiritually diminished. Because eventually the person with whom you engage in such a relationship will eventually treat you like a whore.
And if you are sexually active, get tested for HIV/VD every six months.
Make sure you introduce every guy you regularly date to at least one strong (ideally FEARSOME) male figure in your life. Because you want the image of that figure to appear in his mind when he begins to think he may want to do something stupid. And give that male figure dude's address, phone# and the name/phone# of at least one of his relatives.
Know that guys are likely at least as afraid of you as you are of them. So you have more control over what's going on than you know. But you must establish that control EARLY in the relationship, because it will be considerably more difficult to do so later.
I know that it doesn't make much sense right now. But you need to understand that you, perhaps more than anyone else, will determine whether a lot of your male peers survive/thrive long/healthy enough for you to want to marry. So don't encourage them to misbehave simply for your amusement. Because in a real, but unfair, way, to do so is to effectively decrease your chances of marrying a Black man.
All other things being equal, opt for a guy who has at least a decent relationship with his father. Because a lot of crazy things men do stem from dysfunctional relationships with their dads.
Leave the thug types alone and focus instead on the nerdy, nearsighted boys who can read and calculate. They'll be more appreciative of your time and treat you better. And they're less likely to get into trouble with John Law. They're more inclined to graduate college and earn a comfortable standard of living. And they'll live longer.
Don't think because you (think) you are pretty that that means anything. Because these days EVERYONE can be pretty. So it is unlikely that you will maintain another's interest over any substantial period of time simply on the strength of your hairstyle and bust line.
Don't be too quick to accept gifts from guys. Because whether they know it or not, they are instinctually placing a down payment on the p*$$%.
And don't confuse trinkets with being genuine expressions of love.
Don't tell your girlfriend too much about some guy you like. Because chances are she likes him too and she'll used what you tell her to steal him from you.
Meet/date all kinds of men. But don't spend too much time with ANY of them unless you want to be intimate with them (It is CRUEL to continually go out with some guy you have no interests in having sex with.). And be honest with them about that early in WHATEVER relationship you have.
Whether or not you enjoy what he likes (e.g., football, hip-hop, etc.), respect what he enjoys.
And, unless he's an especially emotional person, you can probably assume that a guy who is free enough to openly weep in front you is, in all likelihood, in love with you.
Kola,
I'll love and care for my babies no matter WHAT/HOW they choose to live.
But come on now, Baby. We both know I don't have to pay you for the privileged of slapping you around. You let me do THAT $#*+ for fun. |
Kola_boof
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 12:11 am: |
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Well, actually ABM...I was talking about getting your HAND PRINTS on my face and body....to file a LAWSUIT for rape and sexual harrassement.
You know. I could say you've been seeking my advice, for payment of course, in how to publicize your business and run your ventures.
And that.....
Well anyway, I'd need some good evidence for court.
You know...semen stains on my teeth and a few hard slaps by that big, big hand of yours.
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Abm
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Kola,
Most of the people I have worked for/with/over, employed and done business with are female.
So BELIEVE ME!
I KNOW all the tricks a HO can try to pull to get a brothah into trouble in the workplace. I can sniff a opportunistic hoochie a marathon away. |
Chrishayden
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Abm:
You have daughters. Now imagine somebody doing one of your daughters like they did this woman. And then imagine an Abm coming along and saying what you said about her.
This is why our daughters and sisters get done the way they do--because guys like you say it is all right.
If them two had kept it in their pants, or if they had'nt tried to be slick they wouldn't be in this situation.
If the woman had been white and this had been fifty years ago they likely wouldn't have lived to have their character besmirched.
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Lambd
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Look Hayden, women and men make promises and renig everyday. Does that mean that the men should get charged with rape every time? How about the men in the club that promise they got 12 inches and the women get back to the house and find out the man was off by about ten inches? Is that rape, too? How about when a man promises a woman two kids and a white picket fence, and then shows up with a box of condoms? Is that rape? Naw! What they are doing aint right, but it aint rape. And women that try to use sex to get money or to get a better position (excuse the pun) in employment are still hoochies. If my daughter tried that crap and I found out about it I would be the first to call her a hoochie. Successful or no. |
Chrishayden
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Lambd:
If she says get lost and they go ahead it is rape. But see this is a different story. You are a man. You know how we treat "hoes"--a free fire zone wherein they aren't entitled to an shred of respect. You know how these two bums probably treated that woman, humiliated her, did her so she was willing to go to this length to get even.
Oh, but they get a pass. She had no right to drag their good names--"good names"?--through the mud. They weren't worried about their reputations when both of them were having sex with her over several days. Now they have good names.
These weren't two choirboys, two innocent victims walking down the street and getting fingered. They are bums. You and Abm think that they have been wronged--let's see how you feel when one of these guys gets hold of one of your female relations. |
Moonsigns
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Now, I'll be the first to say these two men are bums, but this woman is nasty and had ill motives. While it is also a lesson to these two men, let it be a lesson to her. Women have to get to the root of why they think they can exploit men by using sex as a tool, in this case, a weapon (against them). If you charge money for a slice of your azz, then you're a whore, hands down --it says everything about your being can be compromised and bought for a certain price. If a woman doesn't want to be treated like a bytch, ass whore, then she needs to behave in a manner that doesn't SCREAM that she is one. This woman, as much as the men involved, got what she deserved.
And truly, when all is said and done, nasty women like this make room for women who are truly raped, truly brutalized, to be mistrusted. Men like this make it hard for some women to trust men in general.
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Lambd
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I'm sorry, Hayden did I say they had good names? Who gives a shit! I don't give a shit if they have good names. I'm talking about jail time! You get jail time for rape, Hayden. For God's sake drag their "good names" through the mud! Who said anything about that? I'm talking about pressing charges! What the hell is wrong with you? Are you hard of reading? I said if one of my daughters pulled a stunt like that I would be the first to call her a hoochie. The men that renigged would also have to deal with me. However, don't holla rape if ya ass aint been raped! Let's see how you like it when it happens to you. Wives do it to. So married me aint exempt. Everyone and anyone that has sex is. |
Abm
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 05:41 pm: |
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Preach on, Reverend Lambd. Preach!
I agree that their names should be disparaged. Their wives should leave'm and take their money with'em.
But to try to make them do hard prison time for something they DIDN'T do is just downright CRAZY!
I don't know. But it seems when it comes to rape/harrassment we've gotten caught up in trying to address prior wrongs by perpetuating equally heinous ones. |
Abm
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Chris/High_Density (and others),
I think that I should clarify my view on this subject as I can understand why my prior views may appear a bit harsh.
I have A LOT of relationships with people in various parts of the entertainment sectors. I know professional actors (cinema/TV/stage), dancers and singers/musicians. My associations have taught me one of many things: Most of the entertainment business is mostly run by crocks, thugs and hustlers (So there should be little wonder why Snoop Dogg and this artistic mentor [so-called former] pimp-turned-Bishop 'Magic' Duan Juan enjoy immense popularity.). And they perpetuate a culture of lawlessness/lasciviousness that prevail throughout. So what these 2 men and woman were engaged in were par-for-the-course.
And all the world wants to be a 'star'!
So what you have as literally billions of people who basically want one of, at best, a few hundred jobs. And the vast majority of those people hold little-to-no real unique/definable talent. Thus, to score even a REMOTE chance at the limelight, they've got to and quite often will use whatever advantage they have. Thus, p*$$% is very much the currency of Hollywood.
So, no disrepect intended towards the "But I really wannabee a stahrur!" types out there, but there are more than a few of you foks (female/male) who would 'blow' a herd of randy rinocerous for just the privlege of hand-delivering your audition tape to Quentin Tarentino.
Perhaps you look at this woman as some ill-treated ingenue who was caught-up in her otherwise innocent pursuit of the big times.
I, however, view her to your usual starchasing floozy who broke the tacit code of the Hollywood ethos and have been rudely punished for her transgression.
And, frankly, if my daughters chose to pursue this vacuous dream, I'd have to accept that they in all likelihood might be treated similarly.
Kola,
You of ALL people KNOW what I am talking about.
Lambd,
What I find sadly ironic about the hatchet job you were unfairly made to endure is that academy/industry(even church) is STILL rife with women who'll drop-trou' for a man who they feel can hook them up with the right grades and gig.
I personally have had to fend off a variety of come-ons from ladder-climbing skeeziods.
While a collegiate tutor, I received bl*wj*b offers to solicit favorable grades/assignments from professors. And as I manager, to receive favorable recommendations for promotions, a woman offered to make me the 'sausage' part of a 3-way booty sandwich.
I imagine many, if not most, men who have ever held positions of authority have been similarly propostioned.
Moreover, these sexual harrassments laws/rulings have excerbated, not lessen, the designs of these malevolent females. Because now, opportunist hoochies are embolden by cowed employers who have now become predisposed to punish even innocent men (like yourself) rather than face the wrath (and financial pillaging) of the current male-bashing legislation/courts/culture.
Yet, the laws/ruling are especially SILENT about what to do about the actions of these women, who not only actively seek to corrupt the collegiate/business climate/culture but also disable real victims of harrassment from effectively asserting their rights/protections. |
Cynique
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Rape is purportedly a crime of violence and control rather than one of lust and horniness. Yeah, right. Anyway, I do not speak from experience, but I'm inclined to think that if a rapist refrained from engaging in anal penetration, then his victim might not be so adamant about accusing him. |
Abm
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Cynique,
Yeah. Time out with that rape is about violence/control not sex thing. That has always sounded to me like some crap women who don't know what the f@#$ they are talking about made up during a National Organization for Women meeting or something.
Hey. Lemme tellyah.
When a man let loose that Jim Browski, yeah, it maybe about some other stuff too, but it sure as hell is ALSO about SEX!
But you kinda lost me with the "anal penetration" thing (I kinda got...uh?...'distracted'). Who/what are you referring to here? |
Justwrite
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Can I add my 2 cents? Thank you.
Rape IS about violence. It doesn't happen in the heat of passion. It usually happens when a man is trying to prove that HE'S in control. It's about power. Think about it. Not only pretty women are raped! Not only young women are raped! Just last week, I saw on the news where two Hispanic men robbed, beat, then raped this 80+ year old woman. Now tell me...did that have anything to do with sex?????? |
Cynique
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There are many women, justwrite, who would dispute your contention that rape doesn't occur in the heat of passion, as in the case where she says "no" after heavy foreplay but her partner can't turn it off. I think the situation differs from case-to-case. As for the 81-year-old woman, - who knows? Maybe she was sexy. |
Justwrite
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Adding another cent if I may...
When women put themselves in a position where she and the guy are "this" close to having sex, then she says no, she's full of shit! See, we as women have a habbit of playing hard to get at times, knowing damn well we want it just as bad as the man does. Come on ladies. Let's keep it real, huh? With that said, it should NEVER be considered rape when a man and woman are bumping and grinding, kissing and feeling ~ all that stuff~ then she hollars stop. I'm sorry, but if I was a man, I would think she didn't mean stop either! Bottom line is, If a woman really means NO, don't get the man worked up to where he's thinking you mean YES. You may not agree with me, but I know I'm right on this one, so... |
Cynique
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 12, 2004 - 05:56 pm: |
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Well, justwrite, you're the one who said that rape didn't occur in the heat of passion; but you can't speak for a woman who changes her mind and decides she doesn't want to give it for whatever reason during heavy petting. Young girls do this all the time. And for you to be a person speaking out about rape, you shold be reminded that womens' advocates say that "no" means "no." |
Carey
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Look, all of them are some nasty M(*&ERF*&KERS. It's one thing to tap that thang knowing it's someone elses honey pot. But to jump down in it after ol'fatass Anderson just got through diggin' in it is nasty. I hope she washed her ass between takes. But some brothas don't give a damn and that goes for some ladies too. Picture this in your mind. Ten toes up and ten toes down, One LARGE ass goin' up and down. A brotha walks in, starts to grin and says, "when do I begin". One brotha jumps up, the other in, the brotha that's up says "damn, am gonna do that again". The brotha that's up, looks to the right and notices the other brotha's head is out of sight. The women laughs, grunts and moans, whispers to the brotha, "I need all the bone" nasty face laughs and says with a grin "what do you mean it is all in". the women stops, she was flatass thin, she looks at Mo'fat and says, "when does the picture begin".
Fatass spins around while trying to find his prick, Yells at the women, "you about to get tricked". Oh no the bitch screams at the top of her voice, says to dunkin' daddy, "the judge won't give you a choice". "F you Bi*ch" one yelled" "no F you back, you going to jail".
So, none of them washed and they all ran out the door, everybody swearing, they wouldn't do it no more. |
Moonsigns
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 12, 2004 - 07:37 pm: |
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Even if a woman is kissing and engaging in actions that could lead to sex, it doesn't mean she wants to have sex. Any woman, at any given time, has every right to say no to sex. The man may think she is a tease, but it is still her right, her body and her choice.
Feelings can change from second to second. For some, acting on what may not seem right considering the situation can totally change the direction of one's life.
No means no.
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Cynique
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Just let a woman be called by somebody else's name during "the heat of passion" and "no" might very well mean "no." |
Abm
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Justwrite,
Look. I can't put it any more delicately than this. But anytime a man brandishes an erect penis, it's about SEX.
Because if it were simply about violence, he could just as easily beat a weaker woman into a bloody pulp without ever dropping trou'.
Men have sex ALL THE TIME without there being one iota of the "heat of passion". And in +90% of those times, the woman consents. Because to us, it is quite often a wholly involuntary deed that has little-2-nothing to do with love/passion and those other (sappy) emotions that you all would prefer be invested into the act.
And men have consentual sex with women who are neither "pretty" nor "young" (again) ALL THE TIME. In fact, as bizarre as it may appear to you, there are many men who enjoy indulging sex fetishes for obese, handicapped, dwarf and elderly women.
Hell! There are moments where a man will hit his 'stick' at a cobra if he thinks that ol' snake'll do'em right!
See. Part of the problem here if you don't have a penis, it's kinda hard to relate. It's like my trying to fully know what it means to experience a menstrual cycle.
You cite perhaps the MAJOR reason WHY rape is often so difficult to prosecute in court.
Because "the heat of passion" can indeed be tricky/confusing moment for both the woman and man. And, frankly, that is part of the lure of being intimate. Being coy, feigning rejection to perhaps elicit the partner to beg and plead just a bit more, just enough to convince you that, yeah, this is the 'right time'...or to wield a bit of power of that lusting partner...is a real part of the seduction that a woman can enjoy wielding over a man.
But what happens when a woman does all of that to a man, then that erotic switch within her suddenly "turns off"? Often, there-in lies the problem.
This is why you have occurring on some college campus 'sex contracts' being struck between men/women that outline the criteria upon which they will/won't engage in sex. This is perhaps NOT the most (traditionally) romantic method of conducting intimate relations. But maybe a format of this sort can help preclude mutually harmful misunderstandings from occurring.
Moonsigns,
"No means no." is a catchy feminist slogan. But it don't necessarily represent what's going down between a man and a woman. Because, frankly, it has been my experience that the words "No" and "Stop" within a certain 'context' mean neither of the sort.
So if we are going to allow a woman to maintain the right to say "no", and I think we should, women and men must also be responsible enough to pre-train each other to discern what that "no" means and endeavor to prevent that from being a point of confusion PRIOR to it potentially becoming such.
Cynique,
Haha!
Your comment about he "sexy" octogenarian is both funny yet apropos.
But check-it: My wife's 93 year old grandmother looks like she's a PRETTY sixty (chick still wear hi-heels and have motor skills and eyesight strong enough to maintain a driver's license). I know it sounds freaky, but I could see A LOT of dudes her grandsons' age trynah get at dat! |
Justwrite
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 13, 2004 - 11:57 am: |
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ABM says, ""No means no." is a catchy feminist slogan. But it don't necessarily represent what's going down between a man and a woman. Because, frankly, it has been my experience that the words "No" and "Stop" within a certain 'context' mean neither of the sort.
So if we are going to allow a woman to maintain the right to say "no", and I think we should, women and men must also be responsible enough to pre-train each other to discern what that "no" means and endeavor to prevent that from being a point of confusion PRIOR to it potentially becoming such."
........and can the memebers of Thumper's Corner say AMEN!
ABM, that was my point exactly!
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Abm
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Post Number: 1676
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 13, 2004 - 12:30 pm: |
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Justwrite,
WHEW!
Thanks for the cosign. Because to be honest, I wasn't sure that THAT one would 'fly' with you ladies. 
But seriously. I maintain a woman should remain free to emphatically say and mean "no" ANYTIME during lovemaking (Although, I've gottah say, it almost hurts me to think about what a guy might 'endure' to oblige such.). Moreover, I don't see how having sex with an ambivalent woman can be much of a turn-on to a man to begin with.
I also, however, think a guy should consider giving a woman with whom he isn't married only ONE chance to "open then suddenly shut the 'door' in his face". Because if she does that more than once, a prudent man should conclude that she is (either willingly or involuntarily) engaged in a dangerous game that can ruin them both. |
Cynique
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 13, 2004 - 12:35 pm: |
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Well, justwrite, your original point was that rape was a crime of violence and control and did not occur in the heat of passion. My reponse was that rape could occur in the heat of passion, a prime example of this being "date rape," and that if a woman had second thoughts during foreplay and said "no" when her partner wanted to continue, if he ignored her "no" and proceeded to penetrate her against her wishes, she was entitled to accuse him of rape. You keep referring to your personal experiences, but that's irrelevant, and the law is on the side of a woman being entitled to expect her "no" to mean "no," and her "stop" to mean "stop." |
Abm
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Post Number: 1677
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 13, 2004 - 12:53 pm: |
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Cynique,
I agree.
I guess, though, we are still somewhat struggling with reconciling traditions feelings about male-female relations with how best to protect women.
In the past, we could 'romanticize' a manager wooing (baggering?) his secretary to date him.
Now that is sexual harrassment.
Or we could 'swoon' over seeing a Rhet Butler flinging a struggling Scarlet O'Hara into a bail of hay and seduce (force?) her to make love to him.
Now that is rape.
So, for legitimate reasons, we are being made to 'evolve' beyond some what was once believed to be love and romance. |
Cynique
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I'm not a feminist or a Polly Anna, and rape is not a subject about which I have strong convictions but, as they say, "it is what it is." |
Justwrite
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Okay, Cynique, let's back it up a bit. I honestly believe you like ****ing with me, but I'll give you some attention to pacify you, then I'm through with it.
Here we go...
Originally, I did say RAPE was about violence. Yes, I said that. I said it! Okay? With that said, I also said this...
"When women put themselves in a position where she and the guy are "this" close to having sex, then she says no, she's full of shit!"
"Bottom line is, if a woman really means NO, don't get the man worked up to where he's thinking you mean YES."
See, Cynique, sometimes we as women can send mixed signals to men, which is why I totally agreed with ABM's post when he said...
"So if we are going to allow a woman to maintain the right to say "no", and I think we should, women and men must also be responsible enough to pre-train each other to discern what that "no" means and endeavor to prevent that from being a point of confusion PRIOR to it potentially becoming such."
How 'bout this, Cynique...
Scenario #1: A man jumps out of the bushes, brutally attacks a woman, then rapes her before leaving her for dead face-down in the dirt.
RAPE! No doubt.
Scenario #2: A man and woman are out on a first date. He invites her up to his place to talk. In the back of her mind she knows damn well he wants to do more than just talk. Still, she goes. And not only does she go, but she clearly welcomes his sexual advances by allowing him to, well, let's just say seduce her with foreplay. It's feeling good. Pants and shit start to come off. It's REALLY feeling good now! Then, he's ready to go all the way and she says, "No. Stop. I'm not ready for this." When he sticks it in anyway, she hollers rape. Give me a break!
Don’t get me wrong, Cynique, I'm not totally disagreeing with your "date rape" statement, I'm just saying I think we as women shouldn't make a man feel like he's getting some when we know he's not. All that "teasing" ain't cool. That's all I'm saying.
Anyway, moving on please...
How have you been? Working on any books lately? Oh, I'm sorry, are we even cool like that? Let me know so that I don't make a fool of myself.
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Jmho
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I have a question -- at what point can a person change their mind? I've read all of these scenarios, what ifs, what abouts, but at what point can a person said, no matter that I said yes before but now I am saying no? Or once you've given consent for another to continue, either physically or verbally, are you totally obligated to have sex with that person? Where should the line be drawn, if at all?
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Bleekindigo
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Justwrite said:
"When women put themselves in a position where she and the guy are "this" close to having sex, then she says no, she's full of shit!"
Justwrite, by this statement, do you intend to imply that once a woman begins a sexual act with a man, she forfeits her right to change her mind?
Do you mean to say that the man is right in "taking it" in spite of her "NO!!!" because the woman allowed him to get as far as she did?
What of the right to change your mind? Why does that right not have any weight with you in a sexual instance?
What about the man being responsible enough to just back off whether he is hot and bothered or not?
Justwrite said:
"sometimes we as women can send mixed signals to men"
Don't men and women send mixed signals? And, mixed signal or not, once the signal is made clear isn't it the responsibility of the man (in the case of rape) to respect the "No!" signal?
Justwrite said:
"Bottom line is, if a woman really means NO, don't get the man worked up to where he's thinking you mean YES."
Isn't whatever the man is "THINKING" the woman meant pretty much clarified as not being the case when the woman starts yelling "NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! STOPPPPPPPPPPP!!!????? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO STOPPPPPPP??"
Why is it okay for us to decide and then undecide to buy a house or decide and undecide to date this person, decide and undecide that we want to marry someone--but not okay to decide that we want to bone someone and then decide otherwise?
In other instances, when we make our decisions, we expect them to be respected hands down-why is it different in the case of rape??
Why can't the man just respect the "NO!!"
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Bleekindigo
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Jmho,
My question exactly!
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Abm
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Jmho,
I think you should be able to say no at ANYTIME and the other person should cease and desist.
But I'll say, again, I would accept this happening only ONCE. If there's a second time and we're not married, it is probably best that we leave each other alone.
I wonder, though. Say you have becomed VOLUNTARILY 'engaged' with a man, then suddenly you decides you don't want to anymore and says "no" and "stop". Yet, the man does NOT stop the instant after requested to. Say there's 5, 10 or 15 second timelag?
Has rape occurred? And, if yes, when? |
Moonsigns
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Abm,
"No means No" is not a catchy feminist slogan. There are also some situations where a man and a woman cannot "train" one another, especially if two people are in the initial stage of getting to know one another better (dating). I was never sexually promiscuous, however, prior to marriage, I encountered some situations where I'm glad I didn't have sex with certain men I had dated. I have heard many stories like this from many females as well. Men and women are different. Where men think with their dyck, women think with their mind. I have had women (too many to count) share stories with me about how they were engaging in foreplay with a man and all of a sudden, for numerous reasons, they cut it off. Some have told me that the men were horrible kissers, others have said that they had crazy images of getting pregnant, or something in their heart didn't feel right. All sorts of things can run through a woman's head. I do understand how it is a difficult situation...the man may indeed think she is a tease, however, if and when a woman says stop, a man needs to listen. Ultimately, the man is entering into the woman's body, not the other way around. If a man, no matter how hard his erection is, no matter how bad he wants to hit it, doesn't honor her "no" or "stop", it's rape, period!
Men sexually harrassing women in the workplace has always been sexual harrassment, however, for too long our culture has been too sexist to admit it. It's sad that it's "romanticized". I know many women, including myself, that can't go through a day of work without some testerone driven, macho man breathing down our neck --married ones included.
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Bleekindigo
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ABM:
Rape occurs the second a woman says !NO! and a man decides "yes" and follows thru. |
Abm
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Bleekindigo,
I agree with you. (Though rejecting a realtor pales in comparison to rejecting some blood-raging guy who's > 10 seconds from 'blast-off').
The guy should STOP. No matter what is going on and why, he should just stop, get up, clean himself off, dress and then part company with her. (All of which would likely have the equivalent emotional effect on him as getting skin from his d@#$ caught in his zipper.)
I ALSO think a woman should do some SERIOUS soul-searching if she has with ANY regularity engaged in such equivocation.
And I think most guys should think long (though hopefully not TOO 'hard') about maintaining a relationship with such a ambivalent lover. |
Abm
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Bleekindigo,
So then if, say, 2 sentient seconds pass between her saying "NOOOOOO" and his stopping, THAT would be RAPE?
Damn!
Well. I'm sure as h*ll glad I'm married. I ain't EVER leaving my wife! |
Abm
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Moonsigns,
The first part of your post make a strong argument for why women should think twice before they engage in promiscuity. But I think you should read all my posts. Because I have already concurred that a woman should be able to back out at anytime.
Just don't expect the man to be especially appreciative and empathetic of whatchu do.
Because if this is a pattern of behavior, of luring men in painfully rabid states of dissatisfaction, there should be some consequence to your doing that as well. Certainly not rape. But maybe emotional rejection and abandonment from the male is warranted.
PS: I'll bet if that were Denzel Washington (or Lambd) breathing down your neck on the gig, you'd hardly mine at all. |
Cynique
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OK, everybody, how's this for a scenario? You're just about ready to allow your amorous partner to copulate and he, being a little drunk, casually slurs that he's HIV positive, or that his herpes infection might not be in remission. Can I get a yes for the "n" word, here? "N" as in "No." "No," as in get your "No" count ass off of me, nigga.
Justwrite, I am out of the being-an-author business. I just read books now, and most of them are non-ficion. BTW, I ain't pickin' on you. 'Just being Cynique. Nothing personal, girlfriend.
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Bleekindigo
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ABM,
You spoke of the "ambivalent" woman and then you said:
"I also, however, think a guy should consider giving a woman with whom he isn't married only ONE chance to "open then suddenly shut the 'door' in his face". Because if she does that more than once, a prudent man should conclude that she is (either willingly or involuntarily) engaged in a dangerous game that can ruin them both.
Do you think that most rape victims are women who are habitual make out chicks that stop the man at the point of bust off and in doing so end up raped?
You also said:
But seriously. I maintain a woman should remain free to emphatically say and mean "no" ANYTIME during lovemaking (Although, I've gottah say, it almost hurts me to think about what a guy might 'endure' to oblige such.)
I have to ask, does it almost hurt to think of what a woman might "endure" to be violated, broken into and then have to live with it for the rest of her life?
The man may be hurt by his incomplete orgasm, but that won't last forever.
Bleek- |
Bleekindigo
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Okay Abm, I also notice that you said:
To Moonsigns:
The first part of your post makes a strong argument for why women should think twice before they engage in promiscuity.
And you went on to say:
Because if this is a pattern of behavior, of luring men in painfully rabid states of dissatisfaction...
It really seems that you do think that women who are raped are "ambivalent women", "promiscuous women", or women who have a certain "pattern of behavior".
I am hoping that I am misunderstanding, but I couldn't help but notice that string running thru one too many of your posts.
Bleek- |
Abm
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Bleekindigo,
Let's SLOW down a tad, shall we. Because you use what I have said to paint some fairly BROAD strokes, Darlin'.
After all, in the scenarios that were cited, we were referring to women who had mostly if not completely consent to sex then subsequently changed their mind.
Maybe I am wrong, but I DON'T believe the majority of women who are raped had prior consent to sex. Perhaps they agreed to make-out a lil bit with the guys. But I don't think most of them basically said "Come and get it, baby!" and then said "NO!" and "STOP" just prior to or even during the act. I think as far as rape's concern, THAT is much more the exception than the rule.
And if a woman has a pattern of engaging in such duplicitous behavior, she should SOMEHOW be made to account for and correct that. Because in the long run, she may be doing herself more harm than her male suitors.
Because how can a woman develop a healthy intimate relationship with a man if she's continually compelling a mutually unfulfilling and inconvenient pattern of coitus interruptus? |
Justwrite
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Ooooh Cynique, you said the "N" worrrrrrrrrd. I'm telling Thumper. *smile*
BTW, it feels good to know we're not enemies. |
Bleekindigo
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Abm-
I recognize that we were discussing the woman who consents to sex and then subsequently changes her mind--it just sounds as though you are making that woman out to be a certain kind of woman.
I'll take your response post to mean that I misunderstood.
Bleek
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Abm
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Bleekindigo,
What? You thought I was trynah make her out to be some reneging d@#$tease or something?
NAW!
That ain't what I think at all.
But sex and all things associated with it are fraught with potential mishaps, even within the healthiest relationships.
So if a woman is confused within herself about what SHE wants to do, then, perhaps it is unfair to totally blame the man for troubles that occur between them. |
Jmho
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Also, it seems to me reasonable to me that if a male notes or recognizes that a female is confused then he should not even attempt to have sex with her. Why would a male even want to be involved with a female he considers a tease (however he defines it), or as ABM says frequently has a "pattern of coitus interruptus"? He seems to be just as confused as she is if he continues to have a sexual relationship or even attempt one, with such a female, who again as ABM said, "who had mostly if not completely consent to sex then subsequently changed their mind."
And to answer ABM's question:
I wonder, though. Say you have becomed VOLUNTARILY 'engaged' with a man, then suddenly you decides you don't want to anymore and says "no" and "stop". Yet, the man does NOT stop the instant after requested to. Say there's 5, 10 or 15 second timelag? Has rape occurred? And, if yes, when?
Yes, if tell him to stop, I wish to not continue, then he should stop. At that instant.
Say you were tussling with a friend, and you two are playing, horseplaying around, etc., then you say, stop, hitting me, I don't wish to play anymore, should he be able to continue since you starting out playing but now you want to stop and he doesn't, can he continue? Further, say he continues and you get hurt, how much of that is your fault since you initally gave consent? |
Moonsigns
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Abm,
Speaking only for myself, if I wasn't interested in pursuing a sexual relationship with a man, I definitely wouldn't care if he didn't want to see me again either. The feelings would be mutual.
Your comment to me about Denzel and Lambd is a typical reflection of the how the average man thinks. Based on the merit that a man is handsome does not mean that a woman should condone (or even enjoy) his sexual advancements, and/or harassment. In general, that is insulting to a woman's integrity.
Abm, I have plenty of 'fione' ass men approaching me daily --single and married. However, when a woman is moved more by intellect/character rather than just the physical, the jackass, macho thing isn't becoming (in the least). It's a turn off. It can make a 'fione' man ugly! I prefer being treated like a lady rather than listen to some sorry, tired ass playagame 'talk'.
Denzel is 'fione', but not that 'fione'....about Lambd.....Abm you know better. We are like oil and water. We both like it like that.
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A_womon
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Yeah, a lady like when lamb was talkin about her moonpies and flirting with her on the board and treating her like a board sl*t and asking her what color her moons were! She really didn't care for that too much. That's why she kept trying to get him to continue the board sl*t play she hated it sooooooooo much! ahahahahhaha~ |
Abm
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Jmho,
I agree.
Hey. I ain't even trynah scapegoat the fellas in this mess.
If a woman appears to be nervous/anxious prior to or even during sex, a guy should "pull the plug". It is as simple (if not 'comfortable') as that. Even if the woman says she's 'okay', if it is clear she isn't, he should abstain.
And no man would continue to pursue intimate relations with a habitual tease, unless perhaps he's either a prospective rapist or a masochist.
I guess a lot of the trouble we are discussing here stems from people on both sides becoming engaged in empty, insubstantial relationships. So in such a emotionally non-committal milieu, confusion, anxiety and disappointment are virtually inevitable.
Often, men are being lascivious and deceptive. And women are being duplicitous and naive. And both kinda like things that way because that's how we been trained to play. (Kola has proffered very eloquent reproofs of the confusing Judeo-Christian derived games of sexual brink(wo)manship we indulge.)
No-doubt a man is out to plant the flag. And women know what we're up to. Yet we both play games to obfuscate that.
Typical dating "relationship":
He arrogantly lies, spends money and flashes Benz car keys 2 impress her.
Cuz he thinks she's foine and he wants to hit the skins.
She consumes his showy act, knowing that an "act" is most of all it really is, because, well, he appear capable of offering a good time on a Friday nite.
Even though she knows "he thinks she's foine and he wants to hit the skins".
So they talk, laugh, eat, party and dance. They're having a ball!
But now he's spent all his money wining/dining her. She glows as she thinking about what fun she had. And it is now 2:30 AM.
So he's thinking I done done my part. Now whatcha gonna do, Boo?
And she knows EVERYTHING he's thinking.
Now. Does a man ever have a right to demand sex from a woman, even on a quid pro quo basis.
NO!
(Well. Unless of course he has pre-paid for it at a Nevada bordello...Hehe!).
However, should a woman expect to continue to date and incite the amorous ire of a man when she (even partly) does NOT want to be intimately involved with him.
NO!
So, yeah, I agree we could and should protect women more than we do. But, as I have said before, doing so would likely require we adopt and enforce some fairly formal, traditionally unromantic notions of intimacy, sex and love.
Your "horseplaying" analogy is interesting and, perhaps, more useful than you recognize. Let's expand upon it. Shall we?
If my "friend" continues "playing", say, 5 seconds, after I have asked him to stop, should I be permitted to then accuse him of committing a crime? Would a county or district attorney's office indict my "friend"? And if you answer yes to both of those questions, shouldn't we be charging MILLIONS of people, including children, EVERYDAY with assault and battery? |
Abm
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Moonsigns,
I fully concur with your first paragraph.
Sure guys OFTEN misread how women respond to our advances.
But it has been my observation that many women will 'calibrate' their level of rightous indignation to male come-ons in a direction inversely proportional to whether or not they find the guy attractive.
If the guy is cute and well-built, her response is: " <smiles>"You so craaaaazy! Stop being silly!" <giggles!> "When are you going to stop teasing me and ask me out, Baby? <moregiggles!>"
But if she don't think he's too doopey looking and has bad breath, her response is: "<frowning> "I told you to leave me ALONE." <glowering> "You got one more time to say something about my chest and I'm going to report your @$$ to Human Resources!" <p*ssedthef@#koff!>
Are you trynah say that a guy who's versant in Chaucer and Morrison has a better chances of getting a little notion of dat lunar love potion than if he's a simpleton with Denzel's face and (a young) Arnold's body?
"In between love and madness there lies...obsession" (Calvin Klein).
Come on!
Whenever I see your bold rebuffs of any possible coupling with Lambd, I can't help thinking that were you 2 ever to meet, you'd be arguing, apologizing, smiling, laughing and humping inside of a half hour.
PS: You mama and poppa must be so proud of dem sum Moonsigns. Because you seem to have the whole man-woman thang all tricked-out. Ever thought about giving seminars titled "You Too Can Be a Well-Adjusted Woman...Just Like Me!" |
Jmho
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Abm wrote:
No-doubt a man is out to plant the flag. And women know what we're up to. Yet we both play games to obfuscate that.
Well, when one decides to not play anymore then the other should respect that person's right not want to play anymore.
Abm wrote:
Your "horseplaying" analogy is interesting and, perhaps, more useful than you recognize. Let's expand upon it. Shall we?
Sure.
Abm wrote:
If my "friend" continues "playing", say, 5 seconds, after I have asked him to stop, should I be permitted to then accuse him of committing a crime?
If he didn't stop when you told him to, and if he beats to a pulp, is it then that he has committed a crime? How many licks can he get in after you say stop, before it's a crime? 2? 10? near death? after death?
Abm wrote:
Would a county or district attorney's office indict my "friend"?
You'll have to consult that DA office and see is there is enough for them to proceed and file charges against your friend. I would think if her friend got in no more than one lick after you said, stop, and was remorseful for any pain he inflicted, then that's one thing but to continue and then have him say, well, my friend, you gave consent by even starting or continuing to play around with me, and I couldn't stop myself, you know men can be when we get to playing around, so you're just as to blame for your busted head and missing teeth, is quite another.
Abm wrote:
And if you answer yes to both of those questions, shouldn't we be charging MILLIONS of people, including children, EVERYDAY with assault and battery?
If that is what in fact they are doing, then yes. However, regarding children, I suspect it would depend upon the laws and regulations in their local districts. |
Abm
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Jmho,
So are you trying to argue that MILLIONS of people, including children, are being charged/indicted/convicted for excessive playing?
Okay now. If you and I are going to "play", let us "play" fair.
K?
Because we both know there ain't a prosecutor this side of Mayberry RFD that would even remotely consider charging someone on those grounds. They don't have the time or motivation to pursue something that is as trivial as that. Plus. They know it is virtually impossible to get a grand jury to approve an idictment, much less get a judge/jury that would result in a conviction.
And that's probably because judge/jury know that they and/or theirs could in all probability be confronted with similar trouble.
The prosecutor would say, "Hey. There's nothing I can do. You were both playing he got the better of you. Tuff! Now get the h*ll out of my office! Cuz I've got REAL cases to try!"
But I have (already) agreed that a woman says she doesn't want to "play" no more, they guy should stop "playing". |
Crystal
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Let’s continue with your courtroom scenario Abm. I’m sure there are hundreds of these instances of the women saying “stop/no” in the middle of the moment and the men kept going that are not prosecuted. And many more where the victim doesn’t even report it – but that’s another issue. Anyway, if these types of cases were to get to court how do you think a jury would react?
There is a case in Orange County now where the first trial resulted in a hung jury and they are now preparing to re-try 3 high school boys who raped/had sex with a teenage girl who was passed out and they taped it. The boys said they did it because she bragged about wanting to be a porn star and wanted to do it. But it was obvious from the tape that she passed out and was no longer consenting. Hung jury. Side note: one of the boys is the son of a policeman in the area [he may even be a chief of some sort] so that got some play. But after the hung jury and while awaiting the 2nd trial this fool boy is arrested for having sex with another underage girl!
And then there’s the popular opinion jury. Remember ol’ girl that was Mike Tyson’s accuser/victim? Lots of folks didn’t have much sympathy for her – me included. I’m not saying he should have gotten off but to go to a hotel room late at night with a person with his reputation – foolish unless that’s what you are looking for. Maybe there should be a mitigating circumstance of stupidity. How would that work?
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Justwrite
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Crystal said:
"And then there’s the popular opinion jury. Remember ol’ girl that was Mike Tyson’s accuser/victim? Lots of folks didn’t have much sympathy for her – me included. I’m not saying he should have gotten off but to go to a hotel room late at night with a person with his reputation – foolish unless that’s what you are looking for. Maybe there should be a mitigating circumstance of stupidity. How would that work?"
Crystal, that's what I've been trying to say all along, but people wanna act like they don't hear me. Just like men get charged with rape, women should be held accountable for actions as well. Maybe there should be a "stupidity charge" or something.
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Abm
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Crystal,
I think jurors would want to know some of prior sexual history between the alleged victim and defendant. I mean, if they have had an ongoing voluntary sexual relationship, a prosecutor might be hardpressed to score a conviction.
But if there were no such history, if the woman had been bruised/injured and if there had been people in an adjacent apartment that overheard the woman's pleading, the chances of a conviction are markedly improved.
But in the example you cite, the girl was passed out. So there was likely no way that she could have consented to the sex. (That is totally different from a woman with a sound mind first agreeing to then rejecting sex.) Thus, I would expect a conviction.
But as you note, if the accused has clout, the legal process can and will be contorted to his benefit.
The problem I had with Tyson's conviction was not her being in his hotel room late at night. I have had women in my hotel room at the wee hours of the morning and felt no special right/privlege to have sex with them (though if they were game, I sure as heck was too).
But I recall hearing or reading that Tyson performed oral sex on her. Maybe I am 'new' here. I find that to be a rather odd thing to occur during rape. |
Moonsigns
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About Mike Tysons accuser --she's a liar. |
Moonsigns
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Abm,
I don't have the whole man and woman thang "tricked out" --I just know the art of compromise. It's one of a woman's best assests! Life is about balance. I couldn't be with a 'fione' man who is dumb as a box of rocks. Likewise, I couldn't be with a man who is intelligent who makes me cringe everytime I see him coming towards me --balance my friend, balance.
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Crystal
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Abm, I don't remember that oral sex part - selfish little thing wasn't she? |
Kola_boof
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ABM...that's a outright lie about "oral sex" being performed Desiree Coleman or whatever her name was. What are you doing...listening to the men's gossip in KING magazine rather than the facts in the case?
And for the record, I Believed her and am MORE THAN WELL AWARE of Mike Tyson's M.O.
He IS a rapist...just as Bill Cosby and HIS daughter and so many other women can attest to.
So regardless of whether that girl was stupid or not, her firm NO should have meant just that. And no matter how ingrate so many other women are for thinking that females don't issue AUTHORITY on certain males and TRUST THEM....if nothing else because they're important people and put themselves in stupid situations.
And as usual Ms. Holy Feminist MOONSIGNS drops her toxic two faced ass right in to DEMONIZE the girl and outright call her a "liar", even with all that the world KNOWS about Mike Tyson...and this was not a woman, but a girl.....but of course, black women are not extended YOUNG WOMANHOOD, they're whores from 11 right.
Desiree Coleman is NOT a liar.
And that's why that big STUPID ear-biting "dick-slut" found his dirty ass locked up in PRISON...where he belonged.
And I hope they put R. Kelly's sorry sick ass in right behind him.
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Cynique
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Young girls can be naive. They may not understand the male libido, may think that just because they can easily change their minds that men can do likewise. Also, painful sex is something that figures into a coupling, and can make a female who was intitially cooperative, want her partner not to proceed for fear of being injured. And, as I previously stated, much to Abm's "embarrassment", a man suddenly deciding to perform anal sex can also inhihibit a previously cooperative woman and cause her to want the act stopped. There are many mitigating circumstances in a rape scenario. Especially one where alcohol is involved. The act of rape is a very slippery slope. |
Kola_boof
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I agree Cynique.
And for the record...I believe that a VERY SMALL percentage of black men are "rapists".
And if my black editor (a rich man, married) asked me at 12 midnight..."Kola, come over to my room. I need to go over this manuscript before I fly to N.Y." I'm at the Airport Park Hotel.
The LAST THING in my mind would be..."OH, he MIGHT rape me."
It wouldn't even cross my mind...although...it could happen.
I would go right up to his room. Expecting to converse with a brotherman over my manuscript.
I do, however, have to say that if I was in North Africa...then I would NEVER go to a man's room or be in a man's OFFICE for that matter, alone with him....because there is no such thing as rape in say Morocco, Egypt or Libya. And if you are a black woman--you BET NOT even think about making the accusation. Those women are ROUTINELY raped over there, as a matter of custom. I don't care WHAT the Arab and Islamic world tells you.
But over here...black American men DO NOT RAPE, in general. Very few.
Tyson, however, is a rapist. My own friend barely escaped him with her arm in its socket. And she is NOT a liar. I also believe Bill Cosby's story, because he backed it up with PROOF of Tyson enrolling in the "rape crisis" program.
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Kola_boof
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But people would say:
"What was she doing at the Airport Park Hotel at midnight with her editor and her nasty big tits?"
He's a rich brotha, married--she's a jealous skank who wants to take him down, cause Sonya got the ring and not her.
All that crap.
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Moonsigns
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Young Desiree, just like Kobe's young accuser, went to the room for one thing, they were dealing with a celebrity --the tapes of Desiree smiling and playing up to him prior prove my point even more. Are we all so stupid to believe that Desiree thought crazy Mike just wanted to talk? Please. It's shady and race has not ONE thing to do with it. She's as guilty and irresponsible as Kobe's accuser.
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A_womon
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Contrary to what you may believe Moonsigns, hardly anyone thinks like your surrealife thinkin azz! So all you've done is tell everyone what Yo azz would do in that situation! HAH! |
Cynique
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Your argument obviously does not hold up in a court of law, Moonsigns. Maybe Desiree expected Mike to take his time and to be tender and romantic instead of rough and impersonal, exhibiting the kind of aggressive behavior that frightened and repulsed her. All anyone can do is to speculate about her reaction, rather than judge her impulsiveness. |
Moonsigns
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Cynique,
I think it is more than foolish to go to a man's room that late at night thinking he is going to want anything other than sex --plus, he's crazy famous and crazy rich. Women aren't dumb. I doubt she didn't know what she was getting herself into.
While I am just speculating, I do own my opinion. While no woman deserves to be raped, I dislike when women want to get "stupid" all of a sudden and act like they didn't think (or know) that they dude wanted nothing but sex. In both cases, it appears that these two young women knew better than to have put themselves in situations like this.
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Cynique
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Obviously it's the quality of sex that turns skeezers into accusers. Some women don't like rough sex! And there are NAIVE women who dream of meeting a celebrity who will be so impressed with them that they will be treated nicely. And sometimes this does happen. |
Jmho
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ABM wrote:
So are you trying to argue that MILLIONS of people, including children, are being charged/indicted/convicted for excessive playing?
No, I am not trying to argue this at all. I have no idea how many people are charged each day with assault and battery, relating to excessive playing or anything else. And, I suspect you don't either. You asked about the example I posted and I answered. I gave my opinion, if you disagree then fine.
ABE wrote:
Because we both know there ain't a prosecutor this side of Mayberry RFD that would even remotely consider charging someone on those grounds.
If you think so. I don't work in a prosecution office.
ABE wrote:
The prosecutor would say, "Hey. There's nothing I can do. You were both playing he got the better of you. Tuff! Now get the h*ll out of my office! Cuz I've got REAL cases to try!"
So, should the response be the same as an alleged rape case -- you two were playing around, he got the better of you. Tuff! Now get out of office I got real cases to try?
ABE wrote:
But I have (already) agreed that a woman says she doesn't want to "play" no more, they guy should stop "playing".
But I am sure if there are any injuries as result of your friend continuing to play around with you, after you said stop, that you would expect him to pay the associated medical expenses, with a few dollars thrown in for pain and suffering. And, if he refuses, then I suspose you two will end up in a courtroom after all.
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Jmho
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Justwrite wrote:
Just like men get charged with rape, women should be held accountable for actions as well. Maybe there should be a "stupidity charge" or something.
Why not charge them with lying under oath, making false charges, defamation of character, slander, libel, order them to pay court cost, etc.? Take your pick. Or choose them all. There are a host of charges and fines that can levied against someone who falsely accuse another of a crime. |
Cynique
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Jmho, I am still trying to figure out where you stand on this subject. If I knew whether you are a man or a woman, I might could figure that out for myself. LOL |
Moonsigns
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Abm,
The Lambd thing.....I will say it again, Lambd and I are like oil and water....maybe. LET ME STOP! I have been in a silly mood all day. Please excuse me!
For real though, oil and water, nothing more, nothing less.
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Kola_boof
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MOONSIGNS...
Desiree Washington didn't sleep with 3 men in 48 hours or have sex AFTER being raped or have sperm stains on her panties from someone OTHER than the accuser.
So I hardly think she's similar to Kobe's accuser.
Whether she was sitting on the bed enjoying the FLIRTATION with an older, famous, powerful "sexy" black man...as he is...it still doesn't give him permission to rape her.
Just 10 posts back, MOON, you were insisting that "NO" means NO...
Now...I can agree with JustWrite...with a woman like Kola pressing against a man--it wouldn't be right for me to let him kiss and squeeze the charmin while I stroke him rod with my palm and talk nasty talk..and then not put out.
That's not right. And I have NEVER teased a man and then put up a STOP sign.
But her (Desiree) sitting smiling and flirting, even sharing a chaste kiss. That's not grounds for FORCED intercourse. He should have stopped what he was doing and called up one of his regular whores who's used to him.
Ditto for KOBE.
They know they have girls who are trained for that stuff.
WHY...risk going to jail?????
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A_womon
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but... you can always pray that Lambd will one day relent and toss you a word or two (DON'T YOU WISH ...I guess you're not above eating crumbs after all hmmmmmmmmm? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
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A_womon
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Kola,
My last post was for, that LUNAR GIRL. (or is it LOONEY?) |
Kola_boof
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Hi A_Womon!!!
MOON is being truly LOONEY on this one.
I'm surprised actually how she keeps "waffling" on her feminism ethics re: Rape, men's power in the society and then SKEWERING these women.
Now that skank that ganked Kobe. That's a PROVEN case of a total HO sett'n a negro up.
And I agree with LAMBD, even though I was mess'n with him and ABM on purpose....so is the HO who slept with Anderson and Witherspoon a TOTAL PROVEN HO.
But with all the things I know about TYSON...I can't agree with her that Desiree is just like Kobe's HO.
Naw.
I think Desiree was STUPID and NAIVE and really was forced to go BEYOND what she imagined he would do.
Even if a man comes on strong...we don't really believe he'll go all the way with RAPE.
And QUITE A FEW WOMEN (including a friend of mines) have said that TYSON "rapes".....LOOOONG before Desiree came up.
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Moonsigns
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Kola,
No woman deserves to be raped, but I don't think any woman should put herself in a position where she knows a man wants nothing but sex. I guess in this case, we have to take Desiree at face value --a sweet, young, innocent girl who falls victim to the enticing advances of a wealthy, "sexy", (well-known-to-be-crazy), celebrity in the middle of the night.
If you insist, Desiree is innocent.
BTW, Mike Tyson is NOT sexy.
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Abm
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Kola,
This is what I got from a Sports Illustrated website:
"After both he and the young woman removed their clothes, Tyson said, he performed oral sex on her and they had intercourse on the bed. The only time she got irritated with him, Tyson testified, was when, after they had had sex, she asked him to walk her downstairs and he said he was too tired. She left his room alone."
http://www.cnnsi.com/features/tyson/flashback/verdict/
Of course, that was Tyson's testimony so perhaps it is biased or in error.
Still. I wasn't trying to deny that (I think her name is) Washington had been raped. I have heard about Tyson molesting females as far back when he was a teen. But because it was clear even then he would likely become a boxing champ, everyone around him covered his crimes up.
So if he was convicted then he probably was guilty. (Although he was in good ol' boy Indiana and the prosecutor basically made himself a media star on the strength of Tyson's conviction.)
And I won't spend much time defending Mike Tyson. What a waste!
But I will say this: For over 20 years, EVERYONE with whom Tyson has come in contact has been on the take. And that includes Ms. Washington. Because there's no way in h*ll she would have been ANYWHERE near someone who looks/acts like a Mike Tyson, especially not at 2:00 AM in a hotel room.
Moonsigns,
Washington was ONLY 18 when she met Tyson. So I think it is quite possible that she didn't fully know what she was getting into. |
A_womon
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Now that skank that ganked Kobe. That's a PROVEN case of a total HO sett'n a negro up.
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHA!!!!!! |
Abm
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Moonsigns,
And I concur with Kola. There been no evidence that Washington was anyway near as skanky as that chick Kobe 'bumped into' in Colorado. |
Abm
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Jmho wrote:
"No, I am not trying to argue this at all. I have no idea how many people are charged each day with assault and battery, relating to excessive playing or anything else. And, I suspect you don't either. You asked about the example I posted and I answered. I gave my opinion, if you disagree then fine. "
You’re right. I don’t have any statistics on the number or percentages of assault and battery cases involving "excessive playing" (And because I feel that that is such an inconsequential issue for the courts, I would be slightly surprised to discover that such even exists.). But I know enough about the criminal justice system to know that prosecutors/judges do not have the time/resource to indulge issues that can be more efficiently handled by parents, guardians and school counselors.
Jmho wrote:
"So, should the response be the same as an alleged rape case -- you two were playing around, he got the better of you. Tuff! Now get out of office I got real cases to try?"
I don’t know if it "should" be that. But it will very likely be similar to that if there’ s little-to-no physical damage or any witness(es) that a rape actually occurred. Then, you simply have one person’s word versus another. So, unless the alleged victim is considered substantially more credible than the alleged defendant, it will be VERY difficult to prove guilt beyond reasonable doubt. And because they know that if they considered EVERY such claim, they’d might be made to field 100’s of such unwinnable claims per day, they simply DON’T have time/motivation to do that.
Jmho wrote:
"But I am sure if there are any injuries as result of your friend continuing to play around with you, after you said stop, that you would expect him to pay the associated medical expenses, with a few dollars thrown in for pain and suffering. And, if he refuses, then I suspose you two will end up in a courtroom after all."
Honestly. I think if you were "playing", unless some major, long-term damage occurred, the prosecutor/judge would say "I’ve got murderers and drug dealers to try. So SCRAM!". And remember, in the rape scenario we cited, there was no mentioning of injury. We were simply arguing whether or not a rape has occurred and could be effectively litigated if the male does not stop penetration immediately after his partner saying "stop". I have, however, already concurred that if the woman was injured, chances of a rape indictment/conviction are markedly improved. |
Abm
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Cynique,
I think that you (Yet again!) make some subtle points that bear additional observation.
Maybe there are indeed times that it is the quality of sex, not simply the act itself, that is causing otherwise willing women to cry rape.
And I think that THAT is a function of both the men or women lacking some mutually agreed upon romantic protocol. And, yeah, guys can be crude and women naďve. But I think what more often occurs is men falsely presume that they know what they are doing, and women falsely presume that the men should already know what to do.
So then, she consents, expecting things will go a certain way while he rather clumsily flail about her. She becomes uncomfortable, then says "NO" and "STOP". He doesn’t immediately consider her pleas because he’s thinking "What the f#$%? Why’d she undress and pull me towards her if she didn’t want to #$%?"
She feels violated. He feels deceived.
Now YOU try to be a FAIR(operative word) judge and jury in THAT kind of scenario. |
Cynique
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I don't any further input on this subject. I am not a crusading woman's advocate and rape is a very ambiguous proposition. |
Abm
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Cynique,
I understand. Although, ironically, your fair and dispassionate perspective might prove more persuasive than those who rabidly argue either side of this issue. |
A_womon
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well kola
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A_womon
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Kola,
That was funnee as hell what you wrote on another thread about me and lambd!!!(but you know Lambd is just playin he don't mean it!)
And you damn skippy about MOONCrimes! ahahahahaha! |
Kola_boof
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I think Lambd likes you, A_Womon.
And if I wasn't struggling so hard...and a crying wreck everyday...trying to get over Thomas, I would be try'n to holler at Lambd myself. Seriously.
People think I'm so strong...but my weakness is uncovered now. I'm falling to pieces without my man.
You know I actually slapped him last night?
He came over here to take the boys to the movie and had his secretary from the office with him!!!
You think I'm letting my sons go anywhere with him and some other woman, even if she is a family friend? Although, I don't trust her ass anymore now.
She wants my man, I can tell. And of course she's 10 years younger than me.
In 8 years, that's the first time I EVER had to slap Thomas....and dear God, I hated the boys to have to see it, but they did. That really hurt me to do that.
I had to have a drink on that one.
And then there's ABM, my cyber hunk who ADVISES me.
ABM told me that he's only been pulling my chain for 3 years. He doesn't even think I'm cute!
But he does love me. I can tell. We're really close.
It's just that he's madly devoted to his wife. Which I'm glad. I wouldn't have it any other way. I really like his wife from all he's told me. She's a "sane" version of me.
Of course, I'd be sane too if I had him. Wasn't I sane a few months ago when I had Thomas?
Girl, I tell you, I'm just a mess. I got my face in the mud for real right now.
But I did a photo shoot for BLACK ISSUES BOOK REVIEW...and I looked hot and this latino guy asked me on a date. He's gorgeous! I might fuck him just to re-establish ownership of my own body now that Tom-Trojan is gone.
Trust me, after 8 years with one man...it's almost impossible to think you can go on...unless you TRAIN yourself "mentally" that you can share your physicality with someone else. But it's easier said than done.
What I'm saying is (and MEN have ALWAYS known this)....it's easier to get over someone you really love, PSHYCHOLOGICALLY...if you start having sex with someone else right away. It liberates you from the idea that you can't be without that certain person. MEN have ALWAYS implemented this strategy. But I just cant' seem to do it.
I just don't want to have sex with anybody but Thomas. We know each other inside out.
The Latino doesn't know who I am (that I'm Kola Boof).
Which I find is the best situation for me, because one thing I hate---if people find out that someone famous like Osama Bin laden has had you, then they want to score you just because of that! It's a game to these men. They can then brag---I Hit what Osama Hit. You'd be shocked if you knew the FAMOUS black men who've tried to hit me just for that reason.
But I think I might have a chance with the men who don't know who I am.
Unfortunately, being stuck on a ranch--there's only a 17 yr. old boy (YES, a high schooler!!!) and the mail man trying to get at me. They're both black and cute, but I don't do teens (as I'm shocked to find that some of my girlfriends DO!!!)...and then the mail man is just too out of shape for me. Plus, he looks married.
I can smell a married man from around the block. I used to be a MISTRESS all the time you know.
PLEASE, A_womon...and I mean
PLEASE
don't ever get caught in that MISTRESS thing. I've been so worried about JustWrite. It's a waste of your life and she's too good for that. You can always do better...even if it's all by yourself. Don't be a mistress. SMH. Wait'll you read my autobiography. Learn from my mistakes.
You're too good, A_Womon. Trust me. You are.
You can have anything you want if you just believe in yourself. I know that now and I'm living proof.
America sucks for black women, but let me tell you something--you just have to get Buck Wild and listen to these words from Sojourner Truth:
"You have to take what you want."
You think I'm fearless?
Goddamn right!!! I learned long time ago not to give a fuck. Just jump the hell on in the pool.
These Arabs are still threatening me, you know. Like I give a shit about them!!
Half these mf's are cowards and fakes anyway. Just one ounce of TRUTH and they melt like snails with salt on them.
At least I have my career now.
I just sold a new book!!!!!
Now I have to go write it. (Some of it is done)
It's a collection of EROTIC short stories. It'll be out in February. It's triple XXX rated, though...so don't say I didn't warn you.
Girl...wait'll you see the cover!!!
A_Womon, please pray for me.
Pray for Kola Boof to get through this crisis right now.
So many people are against me.
What people don't understand...they try to destroy.
Well, actually. I got a marriage proposal this week, too. And it's a serious one because I've known this guy 12 years, but he's one of the heads of the SPLA (the Sudanese People's Liberation Army)...he's really a war hero in my country and we're good friends. He lives in London. But I just can't take being married to a Sudanese right now. They're too demanding and you think ABM's sexist...you need to see these African fuckers.
I can't take the shit right now. And he's another horse hung dick.
No thank you.
Anyway, as usual, I've said too much. My hands just get to typing.
Be love, dearest.
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A_womon
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You and your children will be in my prayers, Kola.
Goodnight. |
Cynique
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Humm. Funny, I've never been one of those people who think you are "so strong", Kola. You have always impresssed me as being verrry fragile and insecure. |
Abm
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Kola,
You need to go bone dat Latin dude.
PRONTO! |
Lambd
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I would fly to Cali right now and put something on your mind so that you can start forgetting about whatsisname, but you keep bad talkin' us horse hung guys. Tsk, tsk. I wanted to send ol' Sammy the Snake to see the Grand Titons! Oh well, your lost. Go do your Latin dude. Good luck with that refried bean breath, too. Then I guess it will be hard to smell his breath if he's spending most of his time with you downtown. What you need is a strong Mandingo to tame that African azz like only a black man can. You'd be glad when Tom Trojan drops in to take the kids so that you can have some more time to jump on that African King Snake. You won't give a shytt if he got the Queen of England with him then. |
Kola_boof
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Post Number: 158
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ABM, go to hell.
(rolling my eyes)
That's cute LAMBD.
If you and I weren't posters on this board--where you could tell everybody--I'd probably be jetting out to D.C., MAINLY...to be held in your arms and to cry on your shoulder.
Honestly. I'm not ready for sex with any man right now. I just hate sleeping alone and I hate feeling that I don't have Thomas to talk to me anymore. We used to talk for hours every night and I need a man to talk to, who KNOWS me.
I only slapped him, because we're supposed to be BROKEN UP...but he just screwed me Thursday night (which he promised not to take advantage now that we're SEPARATED)...and then he comes to fetch my sons with his desperate ass secretary (the schemer had Cotton Candy in her hands!!!)--and Thomas had the nerve to ask me what I'm making for sunday dinner, because he sure has been hungry.
It was just a reflex.
I just slapped his ass!! What does he think I am, his bed wench and maid? And to bring that big lipped Rasta demon to my door.
I don't want that bitch doting all over my children, feeding them cotton candy and feeling their daddy's leg at the movies!
And by the way...Thomas isn't with the Queen of England. His secretary is a cute black girl from Jamaica...that "I" hired and he didn't like in the beginning.
Trust me. If I would only give into Tom-Trojan's demands, he would be back here in a minute. If I've ever had any man SPRUNG, it's daddy. Believe that.
But I'm going full throttle for my career. And I'm not catering to him this time. I have important work to do for my country, my art and my people worldwide. GOD sent me this work!
And yes, I keep putting you horse hung guys down...because I'm CUT, LAMBD!!!--- my hooni hoosi is not bigger than a quarter.
Don't you know that sleeping with you is like trying to stretch my upper lip over my head!? And I've had 8 years of that "come on...you kin take it, don't cry" ...from Thomas.
Not to mention. You want your SNAKE skinned by the tightness? It's no joke, shit. You'd become VERY..VERY frustrated. You'd probably start slapping me and yelling, "Open up, bitch!"
You American guys have no sympathy for women who are VC. You get our legs up, where we can't get out of it, and do us just as hard as the regular girls.
So yes, I'm trying to find the "little guys". I won't even lie about that.
Aloussa ka.
But I won't do anything with that Latin guy. Although, he really is sexy and he's so hot for me. He's called me 6 times already!!! And it's the attention and being "WANTED" that I like. Latin men, I've learned in California, have this wild attraction for dark girls. When he found I was African, he went bezerk...like he's on a mission now or something.
I won't have the nerve to actually sleep with him, though.
I like men like YOU to think I'm insatiable. But I'm really mad about my daddy.
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Kola_boof
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Post Number: 159
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Oh and LAMBD....over the other board where you're asking Thumper to name who he's calling a BORIS KORLOFF "lookalike" Transvestite....you might recall that THUMPER (the pillow-biting FANTASIA impersonating booty scratcher himself) and CYNIQUE have both always called me a "transvestite" or said that I'm flat out ugly. You might recall Cynique even said my kids have HERPES? And of course Thumper made that statement more than a year ago his blistery-mouthed self.
They've always been jealous of me. Niggerstock trash.
Thumper's just mad because he doesn't have WHAT IT TAKES to even be a "transvestite"....
he can't COOK as good as good as I do....and he's pissed that Kola Boof, a FEMALE, can suck a dick better than he can.
Petulant little butt-crack BAMA BOY.
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Cynique
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Jealousy is really your security blanket, isn't Kola. And it's such a weak argument. Think about it. Read your own desperates frenetic posts, the way you regularly crack up right before our eyes, here on Thumper's Corner. Are you really someone I should be jealous of? I've never actually called you a transvesite, and all I said out this outing was that I've always regarded you as being fragile and insecure and I stick by that. |
Abm
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Kola,
Just trynah help.
Cuz, hey, perhaps a starving person should opt for peanut butter if steak is unavailable. |
Kola_boof
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Post Number: 161
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You know I love you, ABM.
Why didn't you answer my emails?
I hate you!!!
This is the time when I need you most.
Do you realize how deeply I am hurting?
SERIOUSLY.
Just humor me. I need your craziness and truth now.
But NO---you're trying to pass me off to Latin men!
I hate you.
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Rashena
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Post Number: 67
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Speaking of Kobe, did anyone else hear that he was actually busted NINE different times for solicitation in an 18-month period BEFORE this happened, and it was swept under the rug by the NBA? Yes, married and all....but when he said that he wasn't going to shave points anymore, they left his ass out to dry? I found that info VERY interesting.... |
Abm
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Post Number: 1741
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Rashena,
WHAT?
Kobe coped to shaving point (which a mortal sin for a ballah to admit to) so the NBA reported he'd been caught skeezin' prior to his CO rape arrest?
That is some INTERESTING stuff. Where was it reported? Because I don't recall reading/hearing ANY of that. |
A_womon
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Post Number: 980
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heeeeeeyyyyyyy! what's shaving points? do the players get to add points to their average score for shaving every morning???? do they get to add more points if they're bald and have to shave their heads too? whats the maximum number of shaving points a player can earn... what if they married and shave their wives...ummm..n'er mind.. |
Abm
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Post Number: 1742
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A_womon,
Point shaving - when a basketball player intentionally underperforms during a game so that his team score fewer points and either his team loses the game or win it by fewer points than it would have won by had the player performed at his peak level. This activity IS commonly incited by gamblers.
I hope I misunderstood Rashena. Because if Kobe intentionally mail-in some games, his *$$ should be kicked out of the NBA! |
Lambd
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Abm, I hope A_woman was being sarcastic. |
Rashena
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No, apparently he said he WASN'T going to shave points anymore, and while the NBA usually turned a blind eye to his affinity for hookers and resulting arrests, they didn't this time, though the charges were a little more serious.
I think someone may have leaked the news even faster...or prevented it from being "hushed" appropriately. This is what I was told, but that's all I know...I was just as surprised as you guys, especially since the arrests happened so often and because he was MARRIED!
One thing about some married guys though, they think that seeing a hooker doesn't classify as cheating because the emotional attachment doesn't develop. Interesting....
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Rashena
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And why does KOLA get to say the "F" word but I can't?!?! LMAO!!!!!!
Speaking of which.....
http://www.funlol.com/funpages/historyoffword.html
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Justwrite
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Post Number: 114
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KOLA:
don't ever get caught in that MISTRESS thing. I've been so worried about JustWrite. It's a waste of your life and she's too good for that. You can always do better...even if it's all by yourself. Don't be a mistress. SMH. Wait'll you read my autobiography. Learn from my mistakes.
You're too good, A_Womon. Trust me. You are.
JustWrite:
A-WOMAN, you were a mistress too??? I mean, *clearing my throat* you were a mistress?
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A_womon
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Post Number: 984
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Justwrite,
HAHHAHAHHHAHHA Girl, you TOO funny!!! No I gotta admit, aint done that one---yet! |
Justwrite
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Post Number: 115
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Okay,
I have a couple of questions. Somebody please answer them...
1. Is Thumper gay? (if you guys are too scared to answer, I understand)
and...
2. What does he look like? Just curious.
By reading one of the other post, I found out he's only 39. And to think all this time I thought he was more like 60-something.
Oh yeah, Kola, you don't have to worry about me, hun, I'm okay, I think. If only I could talk to you off-line. Man-o-man! I would tell you some things. And oh yeah, don't fall for LAMBD (or whatever his name is), he's what you'd call a board hoe! *smile* Sorry, Lambd, but you flirt with everybody. You really had me thinking I was the prettiest girl you'd ever seen.
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Justwrite
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Hi A_WOMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN! |
Kola_boof
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Post Number: 175
Registered: 07-2004
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LOL...
JustWrite, I'm sorry baby sister. Forgive me. I just want you and A_womon to be happy and to not make the ugly mistakes I made.
I was such a conniving whore in my youth--because I was traumatized from my childhood and very damaged and full of pain and hurt. It was like I wanted to die. But one thing I can say---I was one BAAAAAAd bitch. And that's no lie.
Few women had enough ass to get on stage with Mama back in the day. Wait'll you read my autobiography next spring.
You and A_Womon are beautiful, young, intelligent African women. You're too good for b.s. in your lives. You have much to achieve, so you don't have time for any man who can't a) Offer true love, devotion and healing or b) Propel your success and nurture your finances. AND OF COURSE...You would do the same for him.
You can do bad all by yourself. That's a good saying of your motherseeds. It's true.
*******
RASHENA...please help me to STOP using that "F" word.
This is why the entire industry fears me. They read these boards.
You have no idea how much publicity and sales I get just from people being EMAILED and told: "Girl, go read that crazy ass Kola bitch at aalbc.com--she's acting up again."
They even started a petition to get me BACK on the boards after I was banned. Because I seem crazy to them and they get entertained by my hurting and anguish.
That's why I'm trying to stop coming here. But it's addictive once you've made friends with so many of the people.
And I never enjoyed PLAYING THE STAR...unseen and out of sight. I like connection with the public. Especially after 3 years in hiding.
Have you all seen the photos from my TOUR:
http://www.kolaboof.com/booktour.htm
That was nice, to get out in the public after all these years. Although, the stress of my life has aged me and wilted me.
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A_womon
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Hey JUSTWRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITE!! !
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Cynique
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If when you use the term "mistress" you are referring to being a "kept woman" I would say go for it. Every woman should at some point in her life enjoy the pampering that comes with being an old man's darling. Po-assed playahs? No. Sugar daddies? Yes. |
A_womon
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Cynique said:
Every woman should at some point in her life enjoy the pampering that comes with being an old man's darling. Po-assed playahs? No. Sugar daddies? Yes.
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHA!!! I will keep that in mind!! |
Abm
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Post Number: 1745
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A_womon,
I think that you mean you 'don't know' if you've the other woman.
Kola,
Look at you!
After you done gone thru your 'hoascious period now you trynah put duh P*$$%-block on A_womon and Justwrite.
Let'em have their skeezoid period. That can have a cleasing effect on them so when it's time for'em to settle down and get married, they won't be servin' it up to the mailman while their husband are away at work. |
Abm
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A_womon,
Take from a ho' who knows.
Right Cynique? |
Abm
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Post Number: 1747
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Justwrite,
Notice how NOBODY's going anywhere near your is Thumper's gay question. |
Cynique
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Post Number: 1574
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Do not call me a "ho", Abm. As for whether or not Thumper is gay, can we assume that if he is, it doesn't make any difference? |
A_womon
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Post Number: 988
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I'm with cynique on this one, who knows and who cares??? I don't |
Kola_boof
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Post Number: 177
Registered: 07-2004
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I didn't say that JUSTWRITE and A_WOMON shouldn't enjoy having sex with as many men....sowing their wild oats....as they wish.
But being a "MISTRESS"...often entails hurting the other women (the wife) and affecting, adversely, the lives of innocent children. NOT ONLY THAT...the Mistress, as the years drag by, rarely finds fullfillment and satisfaction and can grow CYNICAL, her body used up, her sense of "love" warped by the dirty deeds of men's shadow secrets.
I was the mistress/KEPT WOMAN to a white businessman named "Efrem" for 5 years.
I started at 17, after I won the Miss Fire and Safety Pageant (the Fire Dept.) in Fairfax, Virginia...over which Efrem was one of the judges.
I was a runaway...because my parents were going to force me to testify against the Black man who had taken my virginity--my English tutor. So I left D.C. and ran to Virginia.
Efrem (the Jewish guy) got me own apartment and my own car. A weekly ALLOWANCE and beautiful clothes.
But still...I can't tell you the years I WASTED, ...never going to college....causing irreversible pain and anguish in the life of his wife--who loved him devotedly and didn't deserve such havoc wreaked on her by me, a fellow woman---AND on her poor children who lost much respect for their father and much valuable time with him. All because of me.
Not only that...but KARMA strikes.
I became, against my will...the MISTRESS of Osama Bin Laden...a man with 4 wives...who beat the hell out of me "regularly" and treated me to gratuitious insulting sex, often humiliating and dehumanizing me--because I was basically a slave to his mind. Ditto his mentor, Hasan al-Turabi, to whom I was also a mistress. And then, yet again...I was the Mistress (kept in a Cairo high rise) by a Black Arab member of Egypt's Parliament. I had to be on my knees...whether I wanted to or not...all to have that penthouse and for silly parts in B-movies.
This is not "CUTE" and it's not representative of my TRUE WORTH.
I am a brilliant, remarkable woman. I had no business letting men treat me like that and reducing me to...a pretty LEECH.
I allowed vanity and insecurity to turn me into a glamorous monster.
Women are so much more than their bodies. So much more than just "good pussy" and B.J. SKills.
This is what I'm saying. That we should SKIP the ridiculous evils of "corrupt relationships" and DEMAND real relationships...or just basic, gratifyingly GOOD SEX with clean, understanding people.
But whatever we do....we must be RESPONSIBLE and be true to our own souls. To keep our temples clean...and to nurture and HEAL OTHERS rather than use and abuse and cause disruption and destruction.
Beauty, I promise you, can be VERY UGLY.
I want JUSTWRITE and A_WOMON....to be women of substance and self worth, beautiful and intelligent as they are...and to SKIP my ugliness.
I just don't want them to know the pain and hurt that I've had to endure.
It's not worth it.
And I thank GOD for taking pity on me and bringing me a "new life" and a "new face" through Thomas's love.
And I have to give Thomas that.
That his love gave me PERMISSION to be my real self and to realize....that I really could be LOVED and VALUED and RESPECTED....if only "I" let someone love me.
Babies...choose love.
REAL LOVE.
Because you deserve it. Demand it...or do without.
*******
And yes, Thumper IS GAY. Something that Kola Fans know damned well I have no problem with.
But his unexplained hatred and slander against me...from BEFORE we even met, makes him a small and truly petty piece of shit in my mind.
A weak pillow-biting little punk bitch pussy.
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Abm
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Post Number: 1752
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Cynique,
"If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a chick who'll take dough for a F#$%."
If you serve dah p-funk to a man because of what he can provide for you financially/materially, aka a "sugar daddy", then you a ho.
Ho! |
Kola_boof
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Post Number: 183
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Yeah, but ABM...you've been a HO, too.
In fact....the biggest WHORES I've ever known have had a dick between their legs, plenny GAME and handsome "ABM" faces.
Yall niggas ain't shit!
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Cynique
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Post Number: 1578
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Did I say that I had been a rich man's darling, Abm? How do you know I wasn't speaking as someone who knew someone who had a sugar daddy? You play much too fast and loose with the word "ho". It's an insult. And would you call your wife a "ho" if she had made the comment that I did? |
Justwrite
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Post Number: 117
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Is all this a joke? I mean, really?! Kola, are you telling the truth or what? Are you talking about the "Osama Bin...whatever the hell his name is"? Him, Kola? If so, tell us where his ass is at!!!! I KNOW you know! Stop holding out on us. |
Thumper
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Post Number: 298
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Hello All,
Justwrite: Hmmm, too scared to ask me those questions yourself, on-line or off-line? *eyebrow raised*
Answers:
2.) I am a man. I was born one, I look like one, talk like one, and use the bathroom like one too.
1.) Am I gay? Yeah, I'm a lesiban.
Anymore questions? *eyebrow raised* |
Kola_boof
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Post Number: 187
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Yes, JUSTWRITE.
You don't know about me and Osama Bin Laden?
Just GOOGLE us.
But no...I don't know where he is. I know he's alive.
The government says he's on the border of Afghanistan.
I know about as much as you know.
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Lambd
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Post Number: 661
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What's a lesiban? |
Lambd
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Post Number: 662
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Is that when you don't let women who love women in?...A lesi ban? |
Abm
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Post Number: 1755
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, October 18, 2004 - 10:32 pm: |
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Cynique,
Sorry (IF) I mischaracterized you. But why would you recommend to those other sistahs what you yourself (apparently) wouldn't do?
Kola,
Takes one to know one. |
Kola_boof
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Username: Kola_boof
Post Number: 188
Registered: 07-2004
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You better cool it, ABM....or I'm gonna LICK you.
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Abm
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Post Number: 1758
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Kola,
Promises, promises. |
Cynique
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Post Number: 1582
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I didn't say I wouldn't be a rich man's darling, Abm, and that's because from what I've seen, being a mistress enscounced in a rent-free apartment, welcoming no other man into your bed but your lover is different from being a "ho" walking the streets in net stockings and a mini skirt, sellin your favors to anonymous johns. Of course it's a difference you will probably not acknowledge because subtleness is not one of your strong suits. |
Abm
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Post Number: 1762
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Cynique,
Oh Ho!
So it is not the being a 'ho' part you take exception to be rather the KIND/QUALITY of such that word implies that bothers you.
I understand you now. Thanks for the clarification. |
Cynique
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Post Number: 1583
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Yeah, kinda like the difference between a pimp and a playah, if you can discern that. |
Abm
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Post Number: 1764
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Perhaps...
But the main difference between a pimp and a playah is a playah's staff ususally don't know they're ho's. |
Cynique
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Post Number: 1587
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, October 18, 2004 - 11:27 pm: |
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What you say about the girlfriends of playas could also be said about wives, if you just want to play around with the h-word. |
Abm
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Post Number: 1766
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, October 18, 2004 - 11:32 pm: |
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Cynique,
Yes and no. It depends on the nature of their relationship.
Because much more is exchanged in a healthy marriage than mere material gratuity. There's true companionship, trust, confidence, inspiration and REAL love.
And, yes, maybe a man indulges his wife's shopping/spending fancies. But perhaps that woman inspired and promoted his ability to obtain the wherewithal to so indulge her. |
Cynique
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Post Number: 1589
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A mistress could supply all of those things for a man, too. That's often why men stray because their wives "don't understand them." |
Abm
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Post Number: 1768
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Cynique,
Baby. Men stray largely because the only thing that's better than p@$$% is NEW p@$$%. |
Kola_boof
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Post Number: 189
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, October 18, 2004 - 11:54 pm: |
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And as my poem "The OWNER" (From "Nile River Woman") states, ABM:
"the only thing better than some good Dick..is some NEW dick."
*****YAAAAYYYYYYY for the WOMEN!!!**********
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Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 1769
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Kola,
Then it looks like deeze days you might wanna let your life imitate your art, darlin'. |
Kola_boof
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Post Number: 195
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Stop teasing me, ABM.
You know I'm a good girl now and that I'm just being SAUCY with you...because you're being a real randy cowboy right now.
***biting my bottom lip and fluttering those INCREDIBLE eyes shyly****
We both know you're the man, daddy.
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Abm
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Post Number: 1772
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Not teasing, just breezing, P.C.
'Sides. You're the one who's got things are fired up in hur. You're spreading your scent so much around deeze parts, that my neighbors dog is howling from your b@#$% 'heat'. |
Justwrite
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Post Number: 118
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So, uh, Thumper...excuse me...
Hello All,
Okay, now...Thumper, first let me make sure I don't say anything fowl. I don't want to get banned, you know, although, it looks like people are saying pretty much what they want to around here lately. Anyway, I was uh...wondering if you were, uh...you know...like single...'cause, I was thinking that maybe...you know...you and I could...OH NEVERMIND!!!!! Forget it, Thumper. I'm not in the mood to get dissed. Let's just act like this conversation never took place.
Back to you, Kola...
What was Binnie like? I mean, if you're really telling the truth... |
Kola_boof
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Post Number: 204
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LOL.
Well JUSTWRITE, I called him "Somi"....and I'm too tired by the realities of my situation to try and PROVE anything to anyone. You can read these articles to see what KOLA says he was like.
This first one...in The New York Observer is really quite "telling", but I don't appear until Paragraph 8.
http://www.observer.com/pages/story.asp?ID=6961
The Irish Times:
http://breaking.tcm.ie/2003/01/07/story83361.html
Africana:
http://www.africana.com/articles/qa/bk20040518boof.asp
Germany:
http://de.indymedia.org/2003/01/38624.shtml
OR you can PRE-ORDER this:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0971201986/qid=1098207316/sr=8-1/r ef=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl14/002-2141355-0384021?v=glance&s=books&n=507846
AND OF COURSE....THE WHOLE WORLD KNOWS THAT BLACK WOMEN NEVER TELL THE TRUTH...ABOUT ANYTHING.
JUST ASK THAT BITCH CONNIE CHUNG.
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Rashena
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Post Number: 70
Registered: 08-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 19, 2004 - 04:19 pm: |
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Cynique is right! There is a difference....though people usually call it a "mutually beneficial relationship".
Sugar daddies ROCK! LMAO |
Abm
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Post Number: 1775
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Rashena,
Most John-Ho' relationships are "mutually beneficial".
So what's yur point? |
Rashena
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Post Number: 72
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The fact that there is a RELATIONSHIP, and not just an ENCOUNTER. |
Cynique
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Post Number: 1598
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 19, 2004 - 10:46 pm: |
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Thank you, Rashena! Guess you gotta keep things simple in order for Abm to understand them. |
Abm
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Post Number: 1784
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 20, 2004 - 01:47 am: |
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Rashena/Cynique,
Chicks can be so delusional.
If you read slowly, maybe you'll FINALLY understand:
From the perspective of the man, the full/valid extent of your sugah daddy "RELATIONSHIP" is he giving you money/gifts so that you can do for him what his wife can't or won't. EVERYTHING ELSE is just a BS act on his part.
But may this whole "But we have a 'RELATIONSHIP' spiel is a part of the apparatus of lies women must tell themselves to justify and tolerate being...a ho. |
Rashena
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Post Number: 73
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Oh I agree, but we're talking about the terminology. LMAO And there IS a difference between getting sucked off in an alley and wooing and spending time with someone.
I'm not talking about myself, I don't have a sugar daddy because I am not sleeping with anyone other than my boyfriend, but I do have a platonic benefactor that I love to death. LMAO!!!! |
Bleekindigo
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Post Number: 161
Registered: 06-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 20, 2004 - 10:35 am: |
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Ohhhh weeeee Rashena!!! Me too!!!! I got me one a dem too!!!!
Bleek- |
Abm
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Post Number: 1790
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 20, 2004 - 11:38 am: |
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Rashena/Bleekindigo,
Yawl so funny. Cause the more you say, the worst it sound.
A new S-Class Mercedes Benz would likely be considered a better vehicle than, say, a ratty 20-year old Ford Pinto. But in the end, both are just cars that perform primarily the same function: They are bought/used to get people from one place to another.
Well, a "kept woman" of a sugar daddy and a street walker also perform primarily funtion: They are bought/used to get a man from an erect penis to a flacid penis. Everything else is largely window dressing.
Rashena, however could I have predicted that you would say "I’m not talking about myself..."?
Haha!
And to a man, your having a "platonic benefactor appears to have all the earmarks of some homely schmoe being d@#$teased out of his dough. |
Moonsigns
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Post Number: 400
Registered: 07-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 20, 2004 - 11:47 am: |
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"Players only love you when their playing"
Men and women like playing. |
Moonsigns
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Post Number: 401
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 20, 2004 - 11:49 am: |
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"Players only love you when THEY'RE playing"
sorry! |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 1599
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 20, 2004 - 12:11 pm: |
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You're the one who needs to give it up, Abm. If you can't acknowledge that an affectionate, long term relationship that mutually benefits the participants is different from a hit and run encounter between strangers, then your fine-tuning mechanism needs repairing. |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 1796
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 20, 2004 - 12:35 pm: |
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Cynique,
Who says a John/Ho can't be involved a somewhat affectionate, long-term mutually beneficial 'relationship'?
Didn't you ever read your "How To Be A Ho" guidebook?
But hey! What ever you chicks have to tell yourselves and your priests to feel better is your business. Just stop trynah tell me the moon is made of swiss cheese. |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 1797
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 20, 2004 - 12:36 pm: |
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Moonsigns,
That's not entirely true. He loves you just as much after he's done and you're LEAVING. |
Cynique
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Post Number: 1601
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 20, 2004 - 12:55 pm: |
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There a difference between a "somewhat" affectionate long term relationship and an enduring long-term relationship, Abm. But, as I say, you seem incapable of honing your perceptions. BTW if you had a teen-aged daughter who had a boyfriend who took her on dates and bought her gifts in exchange for her hugs and kisses, would you call her a "ho"? |
Abm
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Post Number: 1803
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 20, 2004 - 01:21 pm: |
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Cynique,
A lot of sistah end of in dysfunctional relationships because they started out thinking it was okay to barter the bootay yet don’t understand why dude treatin’ them like an acquired piece of @$$.
"Buy me dis." "Take me there." "Help me get my hur did." "I need sum help with my bill." "You got sum money?"
Yawl can casually ‘allocate’ your affections all you want. And you can cloak it as being in a so-called "relationship". But understand, a man will likely view things QUITE differently...and act accordingly.
So the first instant that you are no longer that agreeable, convenient "piece", dude will vamoose!
And to answer you last question, which is an issue I admonish my teenage daughter NOT to do ALLTHETIME, if that is what she was doing, I certainly wouldn't call my child that...but that guy who's paying the tab might feel so justified. |
Abm
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Post Number: 1804
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 20, 2004 - 01:23 pm: |
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Listen to some of the stuff Kola has said related to this subject. She provides some persuasive support for what I am trynah say to yawl. |
Abm
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Post Number: 1805
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 20, 2004 - 01:26 pm: |
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Cuz remember: "Women are so much more than their bodies. So much more than just "good p@$$%" and B.J. SKills.". ---Kola Boof |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 1607
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 20, 2004 - 01:57 pm: |
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, Abm. But for every Kola, there's someone else whose experience has been different. This is not something you can make generalities about. Every case is unique. And it's certainly nothing that you can claim to be an authority on. Does it ever occur to you that it's possible for males and females to not exploit each other? |
Kola_boof
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Username: Kola_boof
Post Number: 217
Registered: 07-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 20, 2004 - 02:23 pm: |
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The truth, ABM...is that you loathe and don't much value ANY of us, so please stop using my heartfelt sentiments to back up your own sexist, exploitational scorn for us.
You totally stopped speaking to me a year ago, without explanation.....and I'm not too proud to beg.....so I confessed to EVERYBODY how much I adored you, that it broke my heart and that I cried about it and that I valued our friendship, mainly because I'd never met a MALE as open and honest as you before. Or as charming and sensitive.
But now, lately, I really don't like the things you're saying, because you sound like a PIMP when you talk me now...and I'm TOO GOOD to be treated this way and to go along with your program.
You're an asshole, man. Like you said---you're the Big Man on Campus.
Too big for me. And you have the unmitigated nerve...to get angry at any black woman who's wise enough to ACCURATELY recognize what black men have been doing to us and against us, I'm speaking about in America...and have the nerve to be angry at us for trying to develop theologies to deal with these pathologies in OUR MEN and trying to develop modes of survival for what little self-esteem and self-respect that you smug, selfish, rotten bastards allow us to have.
I'm not your fucking "African bitch" and I'm TOO GOOD to settle for the "scraps" you fart out of your arrogant Black American man's brain reserve like CHARITY ball tickets.
You sorry Black American Hip Hop Pimps may not remember who I AM, but I sure in the hell do...and I can't accept your contempt and your attitude that just "ANYBODY"...can be me.
My observation to Black American WOMEN is that no matter how "good" they are or how they try to "love" [your boys]....yall some fucked up men over here, the WORST I've ever seen, and there's no hope for us....because you're all about SELF-"destruction"...not building anything lasting or meaningful. You have the nerve to call us HO's and portray us as "skeezers"...that so called GOOD brothers like yourself just can't help but use, exploit and ABANDON--chattel for your oatmeal....but then you never seem to acknowledge how THOSE ATTITUDES OF YOURS impair and weaken your womenfolk before they're even out of the starting gate---ALL I SEE over here is black men defiling and disparaging "black women", blaming them for YOUR refusal to support, protect and honor them....on GODDAMNED G.P., motherfucker!!!...just because they're BLACK, motherfucker!!
You're goddamned right!!
I've been all over this planet and you BLACK AMERICAN MEN are the sorriest motherfuckers I've ever seen!! You kill your own mother and stab your women in the back every chance you get...and YOU destroy your neighborhoods and poison your children's minds with "bitches 'n ho's", "mack daddy Big Papa" and your wretched COLOR CASTE SYSTEM.
You HURT us, you destroy US.
YOU BLACK MEN....obliterate us!
And you're nothing but trash!
*****
I consider our friendship to be over.
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Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 1810
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 20, 2004 - 03:28 pm: |
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Cynique,
All relationships are about give and take. And the heathiest relationships usually have a fairly even exchange. But if foks are together primarily, if not solely, via how much cash or material goods one of them can provide...well...whether you like it or not, there’s a ‘name’ for that!
Kola,
FINE!
~"One less...One less...One less, [b@#$%] fer me to be worried about."~ ---NWA
<cripwalking> |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 1609
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 20, 2004 - 04:00 pm: |
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I reject your assessment of relationships, Abm. You are too arbitrary. You think by putting labels on people, you can assign them to a neat little category that conforms to your narrow perceptions. It don't work that way. We are dealing with all the fluidness of human interaction. So at this point, we should agree to disagree. |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 1814
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 20, 2004 - 04:18 pm: |
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Cynique,
The only "labels" that I have applied were already provide by the dictionary. Whether I choose or not to express them, has no baring on their truthfulness.
But agree with you that relationships can evolve from that of crash materiality into true/enduring friendship and even love(...but dude had bettah not run outtah money...Hehe!). |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 1611
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 20, 2004 - 04:46 pm: |
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Well, Abm, since you know what the label "ho" means, and since you are not familiar with the dynamics of a particular relationship, you should keep your name-callin to yourself. |
Rashena
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Post Number: 77
Registered: 08-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 26, 2004 - 05:39 am: |
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LOL I'm back from Paris and am jumping back into the fray! I see I've missed a lot, and to whoever said that I was dick-teasing a schmoe out of his money, that is not the case either. He just looks out for me because he's sees that I'm about something, what's wrong with that? Hell, if I had one I wouldn't hesitate to admit it, I've done worse!
And thank you Cynique, these guys are trippin! As long as no one is tryna run YOUR pockets, shut up!! |
Lambd
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Post Number: 680
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 26, 2004 - 06:59 pm: |
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These guys? There are no guys on here but Abm. No one else has balls big enough to touch any of the flowin' that y'all got goin' up in this thread. |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 1897
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 26, 2004 - 07:47 pm: |
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Lambd,
The only thing tackier than being 'ho is' trying to pretend you're not.
PS: You must be the guy who's been checkin' me out in the shower at the local healthclub. |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 1898
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 26, 2004 - 07:48 pm: |
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Lambd,
The only thing tackier than being a 'ho is' trying to pretend you're not one.
PS: You must be the guy who's been checkin' me out in the shower at the local healthclub. |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 1899
Registered: 04-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 26, 2004 - 07:51 pm: |
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Rashena,
I got to give you yours though. Cause any chick who's skilled enuff to d@#$tease a man out of a free trip to Paris has got game by the mile. |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 1704
Registered: 01-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 26, 2004 - 07:55 pm: |
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If the price is right, maybe Abm and Lambd can hook up with each other. |
Lambd
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Username: Lambd
Post Number: 687
Registered: 01-2004
Rating: 
Votes: 2 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 26, 2004 - 08:26 pm: |
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There is definitely a price for everything Cynique. And since your freak ass bought it up, what you offering? You obviously got a jones to see this happen. Didn't you bring this up before? You into a little faggot play, CeeCee? Who knew you were a voyeuristic faghag? I never woulda guessed. Oh well, Abe, whaddaya say? OLD freakass wants a show. What say you we give her one? Funny how on so many occasions Abe tried to bait you into some type of lesbian cyberthing, yet I never once joined in. This is new for me. Well, move over Abm, my good man (and I do mean gooooood!) I'm divin' in with Cynique's lesbian ass and all bets are off. If you don't want something violated stick a cork in it, cuz I've lost all control of this damn thing. The harness has snapped and the steering mechanism has gone haywire! Watch out belooooooooow!!!!!!!!!! |
Kola_boof
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Username: Kola_boof
Post Number: 348
Registered: 07-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 26, 2004 - 10:27 pm: |
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Lambd, you and ABM Bet Not be doing nothing like that.
What's wrong with you?
You got me scurred'a than a motherfucker.
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Rashena
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Post Number: 78
Registered: 08-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 26, 2004 - 10:34 pm: |
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ABM,
EXCUSE ME but I went with my aunt for her birthday, and she invited me, all expenses paid. That's just one of the reasons I love her so much because I don't HAVE to lay down for a trip! Okay?! Someone try to run that "I'll take you to Paris" game on me, I'll tell them I've already BEEN. My aunt is the best. Get off me! LMAO
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Lawchic
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Post Number: 26
Registered: 10-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 26, 2004 - 10:40 pm: |
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Someone tried to run that "I want to take you to Paris" on me a few years ago. He's my husband now. LOL!! |
Rashena
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Post Number: 82
Registered: 08-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 26, 2004 - 10:58 pm: |
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Well that's all good! But you know what I mean, though it's better than I'll take you to Red Lobstuh! LMAO!! |
Cynique
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Cynique
Post Number: 1707
Registered: 01-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 27, 2004 - 12:12 am: |
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Did you ever miss the point, Lambd. I didn't say I wanted to hook up with either you or Abm. (barf) But since Abm was accusing women of bending the term "ho" and was accusing you of coveting him, I thought I'd turn the tables. And zip your pants up, kiddo. I was never more inspired to utter the phrase "no means no." |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 1709
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 27, 2004 - 12:23 am: |
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Never been invited to Paris, but boy have I been French kissed! |
Lambd
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Lambd
Post Number: 692
Registered: 01-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 27, 2004 - 02:20 am: |
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Cynique says: If the price is right, maybe Abm and Lambd can hook up with each other.
I got your point, and point taken. I don't know why Abm bending the term 'ho' forced you into this corner, but whatever, dude.
Abm: when I was checkin' you out in the shower I wasn't lookin at your nutz, dude. But you got a nice butt for an old man. You know what they say: the bigga the cushion, the betta the pushin'!
And Kola, how come all of a sudden you too good to get in the shower with two men? |
Kola_boof
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Kola_boof
Post Number: 356
Registered: 07-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 27, 2004 - 02:33 am: |
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It's called AGE, Lambd.
I'm a mother now!
And you are really gett'n me unhinged with all this gay talk.
If you're gay, that's cool. But PLEASE let me know. Email me.
And by the way, you never did answer my email from 2 days ago.
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Lambd
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Lambd
Post Number: 696
Registered: 01-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 27, 2004 - 03:03 am: |
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I don't check that email everyday. And don't get your hip joints all outta whack. There aint a gay bone in my body. I'm skraight addicted to poontang. I'm on that shytt like crack. I'm just fkkn witcha boy Abe and his sidekick Cynique. She came on here talkin' that ish about me and Abe hookin' up unprovoked. Have I ever taken anyone's side against her. I don't remember. If I have it hasn't been anywhere near recent. If anything I've always secretly emailed people to ask them to show some respect because she is much wiser and has prepaid parking at the cemetary already. I have always been in her corner, yet from time to time she takes a shot at me out of the blue. Then she says I'm too sensitive. Aint that a kick in the head? Well, my sensitive days are over. Say what you will. Open the floodgates. I can take it!!!!!!!!!Question my manhood!!! Beat me with a steel pipe!!!!Then question my manhood and beat me some more with a steel pipe....slowly...oh yeah! Now faster!!! Ooooh yeah, baby! |
Lambd
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Lambd
Post Number: 697
Registered: 01-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 27, 2004 - 03:07 am: |
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Kola, if I was gay, would that get you into the shower with us sooner or later? I need to know which way to play this thing cuz I can still feel those knockers up against my chest. I aint been right since that day you pulled me in really tight and those pillows were makin' Jim Browski holler, "All present and accounted for, sir!" |
Kola_boof
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Kola_boof
Post Number: 359
Registered: 07-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 27, 2004 - 04:20 am: |
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I'm skraight addicted to poontang.
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GOOD. That will get me in the shower.
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A_womon
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: A_womon
Post Number: 1092
Registered: 05-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 27, 2004 - 07:13 am: |
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Lambd,
Down, boy! Ya drippin all over the board! Runnin from thread to thread like you done lost ya leash!
Haahahaha!
Calm down...callllllllllllm doooooooooown that's it, there you go... that's better. Beatcha with a steel pipe hunh?
We need some more men up in this joint. Hey, any men out there that wanna even things up on this board??????? And I mean REAL men. If you aint straight up like six oclock, keep yall down low asses right on out there lurkin.. AHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! |
Cynique
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Cynique
Post Number: 1717
Registered: 01-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 27, 2004 - 11:54 am: |
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Is Lambd misunderstood, or what? |
Abm
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Abm
Post Number: 1906
Registered: 04-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 27, 2004 - 02:14 pm: |
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Lambd,
You should have already glean Cynique has a preference for booty-boppin’ boys via whom she craves as a fantasy man.
Lawchic,
Aight now, Counselor. You shonuff mustah REALLY ‘earned’ that Paris trip, if you managed to slick dude into breaking down on one knee!
Hehe!
Foks,
Of course I am not gay. But since it is pretty useless for one to argue such (as the more vehement your denial, the more suspicious people become), I propose the following: ANY of you naturally-born female freaks out there who are will/capable of making me ‘straight’ are more than welcomed to try.
But make sure you rest up. Cuz I’m liable to ride dat @$$ from Maine to California. |
Cynique
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Cynique
Post Number: 1720
Registered: 01-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 27, 2004 - 02:28 pm: |
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I don't know what you are talkin about, Abm. Do you? But, remind me to never poke fun at you and Lambd again. Rest assured, I don't think either of you are gay. (Maybe down-low, but - omigosh -not GAY!) |
Kola_boof
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Kola_boof
Post Number: 374
Registered: 07-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 27, 2004 - 02:58 pm: |
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ABM's ass bet not be gay.
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Lawchic
Regular Poster
Username: Lawchic
Post Number: 37
Registered: 10-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 27, 2004 - 05:01 pm: |
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ABM said: "Lawchic,
Aight now, Counselor. You shonuff mustah REALLY ‘earned’ that Paris trip, if you managed to slick dude into breaking down on one knee!"
Yeah, that's right. I got it like that. And hubby is making sure he's keeping it all to himself. And I cook too.
BTW, we never actually got to Paris. We went to the Bahamas instead...decided it was too cold in the spring for what we had in mind doing outside. LOL |
Abm
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Abm
Post Number: 1922
Registered: 04-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 27, 2004 - 05:14 pm: |
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Ladies,
Rest assured, I am not gay. No DL, bi, trans, cross...ANY OF DAT!
Honestly, if I starting talking about how much I worship p#$$% I would likely delight/disgust you all at the same time.
Lambd, on the other hand. I don't know. Cause I recall hearing something about him and Chris Hayden. I not 'saying', I'm just saying.
Lawchic,
Yeah. I pretty much(operative phrase) keep "it" to myself too. Unless of course my wife wants to play with it. Then I give her carte blance.
Oh, so you did the Islands so you can do your lil' skinny dippin' thang. Come on now. I know how you do, boo. |
Abm
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Abm
Post Number: 1923
Registered: 04-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 27, 2004 - 05:17 pm: |
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Cynique,
Oh pipe down!
Honestly, you remind me of a girl I knew in grade school. She LOVED to play with the boys. But when one of us messed her hair up a lil' bit, she'd run away crying out that she didn't want to 'play anymore'. |
Cynique
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Cynique
Post Number: 1722
Registered: 01-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 27, 2004 - 07:05 pm: |
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You're the one who needs to put a sock in it, Abm. Who says I don't want to play anymore? You and Lambd are the ones who got your pants in a bunch because of my sly innuendos. |
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