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Brelei715
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Username: Brelei715
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 04:52 pm: | 
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Hello everyone....I am new to this board (thanks to Bleek for inviting me)and I'm still trying to find my way around. I figured I could just start a topic and everyone will join in. OK what can we talk about...OK....there were 2 men in the last week (or so) who killed their wives. The first man killed his wife and then left his children in the home to wallow in her blood...the 2nd man killed his wife kidnapped his kids (he did not harm them in anyway...besides shooting their mother in front of them of course) and then he killed himself. Both sets of children have been placed (or are being placed) with their maternal grandparents. The man who left his children with his wife's body {for at least 2 days} , he wants his mother to have custody of his 3 children because he cares and loves them so much and the man who killed himself, his sister wants custody of his kids so they won't grow up hating their father. My question{s} to you all is should these men and/or their families have the final say so in this matter and how do you feel about it?
I know as a mother myself, my biggest fear has always been that if something was to happen to me that my children's father might take them and never let them see my side of the family. From jump I've always said that to him and made him promise never to do that but he could always try to break it when I'm dead....what a horrible thing to have to think of...if only adults put children first...and always remebered that we were children once before!!! |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 1352
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, September 24, 2004 - 09:51 am: |
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Brelei,
Welcome and Enjoy!
WHEW! This is a toughie. But, well, not knowing ANYTHING at all about the specifics of these 2 tragedies, I still would advise the authorities to do whatever is in the best interests of the children. That may include allowing the children to maintain relations with their paternal extended family or severing all ties with the families of the murderous fathers.
In my book, except in the case of accident or self-defense any parent who slays the other parent of their kids should be (with rare exception) subject to forfeiture of ANY/ALL parental rights. After all, how concern could he or she REALLY be for his or her kids when he or she would do something that would so deeply and permanent harm them?
And no premature offense intended to the birth families of the fathers here, but perhaps THEY helped breed the monster that sired these hapless children. Thus, perhaps we should be careful not to continue to subject the children to the source of the havoc that sadly claimed their mother.
PS: I shudder to imagine what is going on in the hearts and minds of O.J. Simpson’s kids. |
Chrishayden
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Post Number: 660
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, September 24, 2004 - 10:26 am: |
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Abm:
Nothing is going on in the hearts and minds of O.J.'s kids. He wasn't guilty. |
Cynique
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Post Number: 1390
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, September 24, 2004 - 11:14 am: |
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OJ wasn't found guilty by the state of California, Chris, but he was charged with the murder of his wife and this along with all the negative publicity surrounding the case had to have had a effect on his children. Plus, he was subsequently found guilty in the civil suit brought against him.
If you watch any of these Cold Case files or Court TV documentaries, Brelei, you'll find that wives and husbands are steadily killing each other, and I think that what impacts on the kids most, is the stigmatization, - how their peers view them, in school for instance. But psychologists do say that children are a lot more flexible than we give them credit for, and when they become adults they do start wondering about their absentee parents and become curious about their side of the family. All that we can hope for is that in the event of the death of one parent, whomever raises the surviving children will provide a loving home. In perfect world, childhood would be happy and idyllic, but life can throw us a curve, and even for those being raised by both parents growing up can be traumatic for kids. |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 1354
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, September 24, 2004 - 11:35 am: |
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Cynique,
I think (or at least I hope) Chris was being facetious. (hehe!)
You make some sage observations. I wonder if in these scenarios it would be in the best interests of the children if they avoided interacting with their fathers’ families until they have reached an age/maturity where/when they can begin to adequately comprehend and manage the calamity that their fathers has reaped upon them.
Chris,
HAHA!
Faithful ‘til the bitter (& deadly) end, huh 'Al Cowlings'? |
Brelei715
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Username: Brelei715
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Registered: 09-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, September 24, 2004 - 11:43 am: |
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I agree with all (except you chris, OJ killed them....lol). I totally agree with Abm, if a parent kills another parent (with the exception of self defense or accidently...a for real accident) they should have to forfeit their rights. How you can possibly love a child and take his/her mother/father away...permanently. One good thing about the situation is I did read that the sister of the man who killed himself also doesn't want to take the children away from their maternal side, she just doesn't want the children taken from their paternal side which is understandable. the husband killed the wife, the aunt didn't!!! |
Brelei715
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, September 24, 2004 - 11:55 am: |
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I don't know if I think the children should not interact at all with the father's side of the family. It really depends on the situation. For instance I can understand the sister of the father with the kids...she just wants to be a part of her neices and newphew's life. If God forbid one of my brothers would loose their minds and kill thier wife/baby's momma, first of all I would want to beat the mess of them myself, I'd still love him but I'd be very angry with him and I'd want to love my neices the same and even more because of their tragedy. I can say the one thing I'd never, ever EVER EVER do...is try to completely take them away from their mother's family. It would be cold and evil of me. |
Abm
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Post Number: 1357
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, September 24, 2004 - 12:59 pm: |
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Brelei,
I respectfully understand and empathize with what you think and feel. But you refer to what YOU would want and think you could/would do. Those may NOT be what is best for the children.
What if associating with you cause the children fitful anxiety about their father that they might not undergo if they were not made to interact with you? Would you STILL want to impose upon their young/fragile psyches?
I should think a loving aunt would seek to do what is best for the kids...even if doing so tears your heart out. |
Bleekindigo
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Post Number: 102
Registered: 06-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, September 24, 2004 - 01:59 pm: |
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Abm:
I do not think that the rest of the family should suffer for an act carried out by 1 person in the family.
And- If you alienate the family of the murdering parent (that sounds terrible) then there is a great possibility that the child too by your example will both alienate them and feel alienated him/herself. Even if this is not your intention -the non-affiliation with them--their absence says a lot more negatively than the childs affiliation with them would say.
In thinking of the children in this situation -I think of their protection and what might be considered the best thing for them blah blah blah---and then I am abruptly interrupted by something someone once said ever so eloquently:
"...harmony often is born from chaos, much like excruciating noise often precedes the most melodic symphony.
Even life itself is wrought in pain."
Bleek-
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Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 1362
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, September 24, 2004 - 02:28 pm: |
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Bleekindigo,
Uh Ho! Suuky. Suuky, now. You trynah pull a Moonsigns trick by tossin’ ol’ ABM lofty musings back at’em, huh? (Fellas. Don't you just love it when a FIONE sistah tries to through it back atcha good-n-hard like?)
Clever girl.
No. I stand by what I said within the "Let's Talk-" thread. Still, that is not intended to be interpreted to be utterly permanent/final (as, say, death/taxes). No. There are variables that should be considered/accounted for, especially where/when it concerns children (e.g., sex is okay for a 33 year old woman but not a 13 year old girl).
And again, I am NOT saying definitely in all situations the children should be pre-empted from seeing/knowing their extended family. I am just saying that if it can be rationally proven that the kids might be better off not being so closely associated with their father’s family, that should at least be followed.
BTW: About 13 years ago, one of my cousins killed his wife (she allegedly was being unfaithful). He has since then been doing a life without the possibility of parole prison sentence. The dead wife’s parents took the kids away. And we have not seen or heard from the children since.
But we all have (somewhat) accepted with happened. They are Native Americans and perhaps the tragedy of the daughter’s murder combined with culture differences prove too much for them to bear sharing the children with the family of their daughter’s killer. |
Brelei715
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, September 24, 2004 - 03:40 pm: |
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Abm
yes as a loving aunt if my and my family presence was too much to bear for the children then yes, i'd let them know i love them and let them move on and i would pray to God everyday that they would one day eventually they would be able to accept me and minez back into their life. it would hurt, but if that is what was best for them i'd do so. now the question is who say's that's best...is it what the children want or is it what their maternal family wants...do they feel the paternal family is not stable enough or genuine with their love or is that they are bitter and just don't want to associate with them. now i applaud you and your family for being able to accept that situation in life...it takes a very strong person/people to be able to accept that and understand in such a loving way, too look at from the other person's point of view. VERY COMMNDABLE!!! this is no disrepect to the native american side of the kids family but do you think maybe those children are sitting somewhere thinking that not only did their daddy kill their momma but their daddy's family doesn't want or love or care about them. did they say 'we don't want nothing to do with them, it to much for US to bear'. don't get me wrong i understand how they feel (well not actually because i've never been there but i can imagine-kinda) but are they thinking of the children or themselves?
also the other 2 cases i spoke of, it would have been like your family taking the children and never ever letting the native american side see them. so now you see why your family is absolutey GREAT compared to others... |
Brelei715
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, September 24, 2004 - 03:41 pm: |
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Abm
yes as a loving aunt if me and my family presence was too much to bear for the children then yes, i'd let them know i love them and let them move on and i would pray to God everyday that they would one day eventually they would be able to accept me and minez back into their life. it would hurt, but if that is what was best for them i'd do so. now the question is who say's that's best...is it what the children want or is it what their maternal family wants...do they feel the paternal family is not stable enough or genuine with their love or is that they are bitter and just don't want to associate with them. now i applaud you and your family for being able to accept that situation in life...it takes a very strong person/people to be able to accept that and understand in such a loving way, too look at from the other person's point of view. VERY COMMNDABLE!!! this is no disrepect to the native american side of the kids family but do you think maybe those children are sitting somewhere thinking that not only did their daddy kill their momma but their daddy's family doesn't want or love or care about them. did they say 'we don't want nothing to do with them, it to much for US to bear'. don't get me wrong i understand how they feel (well not actually because i've never been there but i can imagine-kinda) but are they thinking of the children or themselves?
also the other 2 cases i spoke of, it would have been like your family taking the children and never ever letting the native american side see them. so now you see why your family is absolutey GREAT compared to others... |
Abm
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, September 25, 2004 - 07:20 am: |
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Brelei,
Thanks. Though for me accepting what has happen is made easier to do when I focus less on what I want and what I honestly feel what is best for them. Should I for selfish reasons demand something and possibly cause consternation for innocent children when I REALLY have no GOD or legal right to do so?
Yeah. We have the concerns you express. But the children are nearly grown now. So I think we all are hoping we can meet and reconcile with them on their terms with, perhaps, less bias and interference from their mother's parents.
Another of my kin was slain by his wife. Her story was that she killed him in (surprise!) self-defense, that he was an inveterate drunkard who while inebriated would beat her mercilessly and she feared he would kill her and their young.
We, alas, believed her tale, as he was indeed both an alcoholic and an abuser. However, the raw savagery by which she killed him (she stabbed him over 30 times) suggested that she had sometime prior to the killing decided that the next time he in fury placed his hand on her would be the very LAST time he would be able to do so upon her (and anybody else).
The whole truth was murky. Both the killer and victim were Black, poor Mississippians. The killer was a (allegedly) weaker female. And there was indeed some record of my cousin's drunkenness and abuse. So I shouldn't have to tell you what ultimately happened.
But the mother was also a troubled spirit (Background: They met in a bar - he a drunk, she a woman of 'questionable repute'. They had a one-nite stand that produced a child. He tried to make good by marrying her. And they gave each other hot-blooded hell 'til the day she killed him.). So she within a year of the killing abandoned her son to her mother.
Thankfully, her mother was good/decent person. She generously shared her grandson with ALL his father's kin (I think largely because we didn't blame her & her family for what their daughter did.). Thus, both sides of the boy family embraced and loved him, and eventually each other.
PS: My slain cousin genuinely was sans he demon of fire water a kind, loving and brave man (he was awarded a Purple Heart). And he son is his father's splitting physical image (imagine a bigger Taye Diggs). So every time we see him at family gatherings, we all can't help but smile, laugh and even cry a little bit. |
A_womon
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, September 25, 2004 - 10:20 am: |
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My take on it is this:
I think the well-being of the children involved should take presidence over any other member of the family's hurt feelings or feelings of rejection over being excluded/included in the children's lives. They should be observed, and if they exhibit signs of distress over being around the offending party or (party's family)then that family should be cut off, unless there is some type of intervention via counseling for all involved.
(It amazes me that even after the court found OJ not guilty, so many people continue to say he's guilty without a doubt because of the verdict in the civil trial, when everyone knows that the burden of proof in a civil case is far, far less that in a regular trial. And also, the cops who were so OBVIOUSLY guilty of beating down Rodney King, caught on tape mind you, yet found not guilty, until the civil trial, are never spoken of as being guilty I at one time,before I discovered the joy of the written word, thought about becoming an attorney and even took a quarter of school studying law and I can't tell you how many times I heard how the law was perverted via OJ getting away with murder from my instructers. I wanted to scream at the top of my lungs, if you think that's a perversion of justice, let's talk about how no one was convicted of killing Medgar Evers and a slew of other noteworthy and (some even not so noteworthy) blacks when they were so obviously guilty. So why hold the OJ case up as such a beacon of injustice???)
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Bleekindigo
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, September 25, 2004 - 10:32 am: |
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I know that's right A-Woman!
And, Justice-as long as she works in favor of the folks that she was "created" to work for, why then she is the PREVAILER OF ALL THINGS!!!! The minute she does the RIGHT thing she's a Perverted Whore!!!! I heard it too!!
Bleek-
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A_womon
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Post Number: 798
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You said it Bleek! |
Abm
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, September 25, 2004 - 12:07 pm: |
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A_womon,
I guess it depends on where you are and who you know.
But the people I know do not use the results of the civil trial to assess O.J.'s guilt or innocence. Rather, I think those who thought he was guilty at the conclusion of the criminal trial were only validated by the civil trial. And those who thought we was criminally innocent (or at least had not been proven guilty...2 different concepts entirely) remained unchanged by the civil trial.
I think even many (if not most) reasonable foks, even White ones, would conclude that Rodney King's assailants should have been found guilt of what they were charged with.
And in 1994, Byron De La Beckwith was convicted of the 1963 killing Medgar Evers.
The American legal system is (possibly by leaps-n-bounds) the finest apparatus of its kind. But even it is as only as fair/effective as those who wield, practice and participate in it. |
Abm
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Post Number: 1372
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, September 25, 2004 - 12:17 pm: |
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A_womon,
And I don't know what you mean by a "...beacon of injustice" (which, BTW, would appear to be oxymoronic in nature). But I make no mention of O.J.'s relative affect on or relationship to the broader justice system per se.
Rather, I mentioned O.J.'s kids to provide relatable context to Brelei's thread. Simply: What must it be like to every single day be looked upon as the children of the most famous BLACK man to have ever been charged/exonerated with killing their WHITE mother? |
A_womon
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Post Number: 799
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, September 25, 2004 - 03:17 pm: |
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abm,
I am well aware that that man was convicted--30 or so YEARS later!!! What difference did that make? The man was too old by then to make a fart and had lived his life!! My point is, oxymoronic or no, ask any white person you see about injustice in american legal system and I guarandamntee you they will all say in UNISON OJ! Thus my "beacon of injustice" And Im telling YOU that black folks have got a million white OJ's and even worse to point to!
What is with you man? |
Lambd
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Post Number: 567
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, September 25, 2004 - 03:26 pm: |
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A_woman, be careful. You know you got a boatload of folks up in here that just love dem sum white folks. Its just somethin about that stringy-azz, collie hair, and the way they smell when they git wet, that makes sum black folks doggone crazy wit desire. |
Cynique
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, September 25, 2004 - 03:26 pm: |
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Well, my feelings on the subject is that you can't deny children their heritage. Maybe one parent had a good reason for killing the other one. Committing a crime of passion doesn't necessarily make a person totatlly evil. I really don't think any child should be denied access to his family roots. As for OJ being gulity or not, I don't really give a f**k. |
Abm
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Post Number: 1385
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, September 25, 2004 - 05:43 pm: |
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Cynique,
Even if the children themselves are being harmed? There are A LOT of people who are being destroyed EVERYDAY by their "family", and that's occurring even when there's being no uxoricide.
A_womon,
Okay. Let's SLOOOOOOW things down a tad. Shall we?
First, and again, I mentioned OJ kids ONLY to ponder how his kids are managing the seeming unmanageable life they've unfairly being made to endure. I never mentioned whether or not I thought OJ is and/or should have been found guilty. Nor did I speculate on what/how Whites should consider what is most unfair about the criminal justice system.
If you want to discuss those issues, I am sure I would enjoy doing so with you. I would, however, appreciate that you avoid attributing incorrect meaning/intent to what I have stated.
And I appreciate and accept the essence of what you were attempting to say about Medgar Evers' murder. But you were FACTUALLY inaccurate when you said "...let's talk about how no one was convicted of killing Medgar Evers". I should think that you would appreciate having the truth be known and spoken. Because it doesn't help you or anyone else when we know the truth but allow errors to prevail.
Why Lambd. If I didn't (think I) know better, I'd swear you were being autobiographical (Moonsigns. Time to gussy up, grab that grip of Trojans and head on down[or up] to Chocolate City. Cuz it's looking like ol' Lambd may be coming 'round after all.). |
Cynique
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What I meant was that just because one parent was murdered by the other parent shouldn't be the reason for a child to be estranged from the offender's side of the family. Innocent people should not be penalized for the crime of a relative, or be denied the chance to love and honor what what no sin can overrule: the bond of blood. |
A_womon
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AND BTW ABM,
I was very busy yesterday so I was rushing and am only now thoroughly reading these threads.
I think that a lot of people use the word oxymoron unnecessarily,in any event, I think that it wasn't used correctly here by you. A beacon is merely a light pointing the way to something, although it (beacon) CAN be used to reflect a shining example, which in this instance, could also apply to the way white people also use the OJ example when pointing the way to injustice in this country, when what REALLY happened is that a black man was finally able to work the system to his advantage the way his white counterparts routinely do. Just take a look at how they are handling the Scott Petersen case. There is no rush to judgement by the media to preconvict him, as USUAL, despite overwhelming circumstantial evidence, the media is STILL giving Peterson the PRESUMPTION of innocence, which is what EVERYONE is supposed to be entitled to, yet only WHITE men and women enjoy in this country. Just look at how the media portrayed that skank in the KOBE case as this poor defenseless white chick, and KOBE was presumed guilty by everyone in the media, and a lot of white people right away and despite throwing out the case, they STILL made sure that KOBE would APPEAR guilty by making him apologize to the HO.So yes, it makes me upset when black men in particular sound the horn about what a just an beautiful court system we have in this country. It still smells like boo boo when you take the statistics in THIS country and measure how it is ALWAYS weighted against BLACK MEN!!!
And here's the thing: White people ALWAYS got an excuse and a reason for why white criminals do the things they do. EVEN serial killers, they were born not to be social in the sense that they have no concious when it comes to hurting people, or they were horribly abused as children. But notice how they always say how brilliant these murdering savages are/were. And you will never hear them called savages, or beasts, words they continually and routinely use in describing black men who commit murder. Despite the fact that NOTHING is more BRUTAL and SAVAGE than a man SLAUGHTERING innocent people, strangers and sometimes their own families, for sport(serial killers) or for financial gain, or some other stupid reason. I could go on and on but I will stop here. |
Carey
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A_Womon, what are you doing up so early on Sunday morning. Oooooh, that's right, you still have oats to sew. I can remember the days when the sun would catch me tip-toeing into the house. I hope you weren't doing what I was doing in those wee hours  . Naw, you couldn't...I mean you wouldn't ahh.......you probably was ahh...... |
A_womon
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Carey, I don't know what YOU was doin, but IM getting ready to go to church. |
Carey
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AHHHHHHHHHHHH SSSSSHHHHHHHHUUUUUUTTTTT-UUUUUPPPPPP. |
A_womon
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, September 26, 2004 - 03:40 pm: |
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HAHAHHAHAHHAA! Carey, you stupid! |
Abm
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A_womon,
Your definition of "beacon" is correct. Still, virtually all of the phrases that I have read beginning with "a beacon of ..." typically have more of a 'positive' meaning/purpose (e.g., beacon of hope, beacon of love, etc.) than, say, the relative injustice of the American justice system. But I won't quibble. If you are aware of the phrase being wielded otherwise, I'll allow that that.
And should I assume that the focus of our conversation has transferred from whether children of a father who has killed their mother should be made to associate with birth family of the murdering parent? If so, good. Because your view (in your "September 25, 2004 - 10:20 am" post) on the initial gist of this thread appears identical to that of my own.
("You are almost there, young one. So just open your eyes. And come to the light...Come!")
Now about the justice system.
I agree that OJ fairly took from the system what was available to a man of his fame/means. Thus, I concur there should be no more/less outcry about what he did than what has been similarly done by any other.
But, again, I guess it depends on what you see/read. I have observed a lot of people/press who at the very least suggest that Peterson is indeed guilty of uxoricide. Thus, from my perspective, there is not such a racial disparity between OJ and Peterson.
And I don't think we can discount the issue regarding OJ's blood (allegedly) being discovered at the scene of the crime being the cause of a lot of reasonable presuming his guilt. Plus he was discovered to have had a cut hand during the time of the murder. He never had an alibi of his whereabouts when the crime occurred.
And he never spoke up for himself during the trial.
I am not suggesting all that PROVES his guilt. But it sure looks pretty persuasive.
And I am not aware there being equivalent evidence in the Peterson trial. If there has been evidence presented in the Peterson trial that appears to be as inculpatory as that presented in the OJ case, please advise.
And Kobe had unprotected sex with a White woman he never even met before. And the woman's BLOOD (for CHRIST SAKE!) was on him. And when initially asked by police what happened, he lied. So Black or not, he got his due. And he and his supporters/fans should consider him damn lucky that the worst he'll get is some humiliation and a slightly diminished bank account.
I can't at this moment cite specific instances of differences between how Black and White murders are depicted. But I am almost certain that you are to some degree correct that that occurs. |
Bleekindigo
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Username: Bleekindigo
Post Number: 108
Registered: 06-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, September 26, 2004 - 09:36 pm: |
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Cynique, your Saturday, 25, 3:26 entry was soooooooooooooooooo funnnnny. I think i've been laughing allllll night!!!!!!
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!
Bleek- |
Moonsigns
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Username: Moonsigns
Post Number: 252
Registered: 07-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, September 27, 2004 - 05:24 pm: |
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I think both sets of children belong with their mother's family. However, I do believe that the children should be allowed to visit with their fathers family --it isn't their fault and don't deserve to be punished. They will however, have to deal with the childrens questions and anger.
In regards to O.J. --I don't know what to think about that cat. Sometimes I think he acts guilty --says things that make him sound like he did it. But then again, I also think that she seemed very unstable and she appeared to hang with some shady folks --that really didn't help the case. Overall, I think he had something to do with it, but don't think he actually committed the crime. About his kids, I think it must be really difficult (mentally) to live with someone who was accused of murder, regardless if they were proven innocent. It would bother me --thinking that maybe they are indeed a killer that didn't get caught.
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A_womon
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: A_womon
Post Number: 824
Registered: 05-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 29, 2004 - 10:04 pm: |
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ABM
I don't think it's such a mystery or anything should be inferred about KOBE's being guilty because he lied. DAMN the man is married, he had sex wit another broad, white slut at that, and how the hell would he explain that one? So don't be trynna act like YOUR first reaction wouldn't be to try to lie about the ish. |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 1480
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 29, 2004 - 10:22 pm: |
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A_womon,
You are cherry-picking from what I said to try to defend that which is barely (if at all) defensible.
So I'll say this, again, when I take into consideration everything that Kobe did - including his LYING - he's DAYUM blessed he won't be doing (mountain-high) time. Because guys (Black/White) have been locked up for LESS than what Kobe has escaped from. |
A_womon
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Username: A_womon
Post Number: 828
Registered: 05-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 29, 2004 - 10:47 pm: |
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Whatevah man! |
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