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Bleekindigo
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Username: Bleekindigo
Post Number: 95
Registered: 06-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 11:07 am: | 
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When do discussions/discourses/exchanges with/between folks become unproductive, fruitless and ineffective? How is a productive discourse, exhange of ideas and learning,understanding and disagreement launched? Is there such and animal as the "unproductive, fruitless and ineffective" discourse? Or is there indeed something to be learned from every exchange? |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 1336
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 11:19 am: |
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Bleekindigo,
Do you mean OTHER than those events that have transpired here for the better part of a month? |
Chrishayden
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Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 650
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 11:50 am: |
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Bleek:
One learns something from every exchange--if nothing else, about ones' self.
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Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 1376
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 12:30 pm: |
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In answer to the question you posed, Bleek, I will say that name-calling and insults are always counter-productive to any meaningful discourse. In certain discussions which have transpired between me and other parties on this board, I have been guilty of stooping to this despicable level, but I will not shoulder the entire blame because more often than not, I was responding to what had been spat in my direction. When you are dealing with those who cannot control their emotions, then irrationality prevails and little is accomplished. Because this board is a magnet for opinionated people with strong convictions and personal agendas, a clashing of ideas is inevitable. Even so, the volatility and spontaneity that erupts in this mental mix is sometimes what makes things interesting and compelling. I reiterate that a descent into the lewd and lascivious certainly taints intellectual dialogue. Yet, who is to say that this board is not "art imitating life." Decorum and civilty are much to be desired. Censorship? I don't know. |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 1337
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 12:48 pm: |
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Bleekindigo,
Seriously though. Is there some pat rule/standards we should observe here? If so, WHO should design/enforce such?
And to what end must we aspire. Enlightenment? Entertainment? Therapy? Or simple Visibility?
I think what is often happening here is you have collection of people who are probably a bit too articulate for their own good. So everything regresses into a contest of how so much cleverer he can be than she and vice versa.
And I am, save perhaps Miss_wysteria, the worst ‘offender’. I CRAVE dialog or any/all kind. I feel as though I burst if I am not communicating in SOME fashion.
The following might explain the method (& madness) behind what I commonly do here. It is organized via how/why I communicate with those who frequent this site most.
What I do with A_womon is often unfair to her. I admit that I am often a bit condescending to her because that burgeoning rage she harbors reminds me too much of that of so many wayward young women and girls I have observed who have squanders chances/opportunities because they couldn’t reconcile within themselves how utterly unfair the world is. I hope that either she matures...or proves me wrong.
Carey is funny in that down-home way. He reminds me of discussions I have had with my uncles. And he reminds me that the primary reason why I resent my father is that I after decades/marriage/children/successes...STILL wish he would be my dad.
Chris is that wise older brother who’ll know where a brothahs coming from and can provide a deeper, historical perspective on things. I wish he’d get over his obsession with the crotches of comicbook figures. But Hey. Nobody’s purfect.
Cynique is whip smart. And she’s concise, which gives what she says added weight/potency. And that drives me and the other guys mad at times. Because, ladies, there’s nothing more alluring than a smart woman who wisely know how to say just enuff...without saying too much. And she’s aloof/smug in a way that compels me to want to mess with her in much the way a young boy will mess with the girl in hopes that she might like him.
Lambd is VERY FUNNY. And I admire and loathe him for that (rotten son-of-a-@#$%&). So I often go at him not some much to prove/disprove a point as much to engage him in a bit of snappy repartee. But I think he (and Moonsigns) need to admit he’s got a lil’ Jungle Fever welling up in’em that he needs to relieve himself of.
Miss_wysteria is so boundlessly talented that conversing with her akin to challenging some great natural phenomenon. She emanates such palpable horror and beauty that even when you completely disagree with and even mistrust her (See Thumper/Cynique), still you can not help but engage her. Because not matter what, you know that you will utter enjoy EVERYTHING she says. Plus she’s got long legs and a heapin’ helpin’ of hooters. A Ferrari Testerosa...$500K. A Beverly Hills mansion...$15M. A smart uninhibited fiery yet subservient Black chick with long legs and BIG ta ta’s...Priceless!
Moonsigns is a bit of the bright-eyed Pollyanna. But she’s a White female born in a post-feminist United States of America, the worlds most powerful/wealthy nation. Thus, she SHOULD be a bit optimistic. And she’s naughtier than she let’s on. I’m not saying she looking to step out on her hubby. But she not opposed to witnessing another brothah deliver a clever ‘sales pitch’ either (Also see what I said about Lambd). But I am a scion of artists. So I appreciate color/texture/variety, which Moonsigns has added...IN SPADES. I wish others might consider viewing her similarly.
Thumper is our noble lord-n-master (just ask him and he’ll remind you). I mostly try to avoid bothering him in hopes that he will but for another day continue to let me live. Unless I concur with what he argues. Then, of course, I will use every opportunity to kiss-up to’em. (And that’s also why I admire Miss_wysteria. Because she basically says to Thumps I don’t give a f@#$ who you are BEYATCH, I’ll show you and everybody else my bubbly Black African @$$ all I want.)
So Bleek. I suppose you’ll have to define what "unproductive, fruitless and ineffective" discourse. Because, for me, I RARELY if ever find my time here to be ill-spent.  |
Crystal
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Username: Crystal
Post Number: 114
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 12:58 pm: |
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Bleek: sometimes some folks just like to talk shyt on G.P. or to keep in practice. They don't even care if other folks are listening. Like Carey and his cheese. |
Chrishayden
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Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 654
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 01:12 pm: |
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Abm:
Gee, could you repost that little para you did on me again say, nine or ten times a day--minus the stuff about the comic book crotch shots, of course. |
Miss_wysteria
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Username: Miss_wysteria
Post Number: 214
Registered: 09-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 01:12 pm: |
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BLEEK....
I apologize to you, because my insinuation about you was totally WRONG and totally uncalled for...and spoken in the heat of rage, frustration and "hastiness". I have always admired your posts, your grace and seriousness and your pleasantness with everyone...and I do, whether you believe it or not, feel bad about snapping at you.
I have also, over the years, tried to engage Cynique and Thumper, BOTH...and have many times kissed up to them, practically begged for civility if not friendship. But they have their own agendas and prefer to slander and attack me.
It's become an UGLY cycle between us.
Just a few days ago...Cynique (who "STARTED" the name calling between us during the TOURE thread, because she said she couldn't resist)....
.....said that my sons who are age 5 and 7 have "Herpes" and that I'm a transexxual--a diseased one.
However, because I'm much more crafty and imaginative with my use of language skills.....it often APPEARS that I AM the one doing all the name calling, mowing people down, etc. This is not the case. If you go back, you will often find that the SOURCE of these "fights" are the very ones whining and boo-hooing....simply because they don't have the arsenal to WIN the fights.
I agree 100% with ABM's post.
It's impossible to read these threads, any of them, and come away without KNOWLEDGE, new insights and "something to think about". Nothing here is "unproductive, fruitless and ineffective"....it's just people with lesser MANNERS than yours and people with less inhibitions.
I'm not one for putting on airs. It's a waste of life.
As one of my idols, AUDRE LORD said: "Our silence will not save us."
And no matter how you wish to make GUIDELINES for "discussions", BLEEK...when you get people riled up and PASSIONATE about certain "issues" in an INFORMAL setting such as this--there is inevitably going to be shouting, name calling and "trips down memory lane", BLAMING, etc.
As the black folks say in my country: "through FIRE comes the family".
Again, BLEEK, I apologize for making stupid and unfair comments about your earlier post to A_Womon. I was wrong for that and I'm sorry.
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Miss_wysteria
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Username: Miss_wysteria
Post Number: 215
Registered: 09-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 01:15 pm: |
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Chris Hayden....I just adore you and am so glad that I got to meet you and work on your book. You're a FINE, FINE black man and entirely sweet and compassionate to all people and I'm sad sometimes that you have to see me so vicious and bitchy with people sometimes. You're one of the men here that I greatly respect, although we don't always agree...but HEY...we've got that fishing trip to do. And you said you play cards and have a little nip right?
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A_womon
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Username: A_womon
Post Number: 783
Registered: 05-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 01:22 pm: |
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What I do with A_womon is often unfair to her. I admit that I am often a bit condescending to her because that burgeoning rage she harbors reminds me too much of that of so many wayward young women and girls I have observed who have...
PLEASE ABM! give it a rest, already! I have a DAD thank you, a VERY GOOD one who has taught(is teaching)me VERY WELL. You are not in my life and you do not KNOW me. I am not angry nor do I have this "burgeoning rage" that you speak of. I am well on my way to a successful carreer in writing, both interviewing for magazines, and writing books! Why do you continue in this farce that you are "helping me"? did I ask for your help?
I choose to express myself the way I choose to express myself, as do you, and not everyone falls down and worships at the feet of white people just cause they are white! Moonsigns is arrogant, and impolite, and thinks she's entitled, so if you want to lick her toes cause she drops her BS on this site that is on YOU. MR King APologist!
Having said that, I do like you, but very much need you to QUIT trying to raise me! That would be impossible to do in this cyberworld anyhow! |
Chrishayden
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Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 657
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 01:36 pm: |
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Miss_wysteria:
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" is my motto. I certainly can't get on nobody's case--anybody who will look through the archives will see I have done more than my share of stuff here, and have not been quick to apologize and recognize when I was wrong.
Come on, folks. This is good. We are all under a lot of stress. It gets me how on the web people try to act like the real world is not intruding, and to try to keep things cool and machine like.
That is one of the great things about Thumper's Corner and AALBC. Thumper and Troy have allowed us plenty freedom here.
If I could blush I would. The people of Chicago and Detroit are anxiously awaiting the arrival of KB this week!
All:
This is what I love about Black folks! They can feud and fight and fuss bitterly and then kiss and make up--just like fam'ly! |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 1381
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 02:07 pm: |
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Bleek, did I forget to mention that Miz-Wiz is obsesssed with Cynique and that she cannot write a single post without injecting my name into the text, always portraying herself as the "victim" of Cynique's wrath or jealousy. And, to be perfectly frank, I really don't care for Wiz because she is a vain, conceited, self-absorbed, overbearing, emotionally-unbalanced woman who seeks to impose her ideas and standards on African Americans, under the egis of showing us the error of our ways, a situation that could be remedied if only we would place her on a pedestal and worship and adore her as our queen. And yes, she has sought to "bestow" her friendship on me, but I am choosey, and I pick my friends. They don't pick me. |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 1382
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 02:14 pm: |
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Since I live in a suburb of Chicago, Chris, that thankfully absolves me from being among those you claim are anxiously awaiting the arrival of KB. And I make no apologies for this. I am not a KB fan, and no place is it written that I have to be one. |
Miss_wysteria
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Username: Miss_wysteria
Post Number: 218
Registered: 09-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 02:28 pm: |
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Cynique I'm too CANDID and WILD to go on anybody's pedestal.
And, irrespective of "race", I'm a DIVA. What else can I say? Color has nothing to do with my FLAIR for the dramatic.
And while you may pick your friends....you can't pick your FAMILY.
And you and I....are family, Old Yeller.
Now go try to remember where you put your purse at. Think hard now.
You'll need to get out 10 cents (it's 1962, remember?) for those Jehovah's Witnesses that you like to have drop by so you can get a "look" at the goofy tall one who kinda reminds you of VIGGO.
And stop being proud. Put on those DEPENDS I sent you last Mother's Day!
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Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 1383
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 02:37 pm: |
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He-he-he, gotcha, didn't I? Where's all that sweetness and light now? The true Kola emerges. She's my candle and, boy, can I light the wick! |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 1384
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 02:53 pm: |
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BTW, the only way I could be your mother is if I were impregnated by a mutated alien from a dying planet. Plus, I'd have had to be 10 years old when this happened.
Still into that Viggo-thing, are you? Fine with me. Think I'll go call him now. And need I remind you that he likes 'em old, especially a golden, polished, well-preserved goddess like me who doesn't need liposuction. yuk-yuk |
Bleekindigo
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Username: Bleekindigo
Post Number: 98
Registered: 06-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 03:06 pm: |
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Thanks for all the responses on the thread! I tried to engage a co-worker in the recent posts on AALBC. In so many words, the introduction to this thread was her reaction.
I tried to share with her the plethora of Stimulations that I get from these boards. No justice was done and so I came to the source!
You guys are in the words of my younger brother "DA BOMB!!!"
Willows of Wisdom you all are!!
Thanks-
Miss Wysteria--Don't mention apology. You express your passion severely. I see that, respect that and disregard the rest. |
Cynique
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Cynique
Post Number: 1385
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 03:22 pm: |
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Oops, I did it again, Bleek. But what can I say? I like to think that I have at least moved up to using adjectives, instead of invectives. And I can't deny that Cynique is an incorrigible agitator whose motto is: "no fools, no fun." Gotta run. Passion calls. Ooooooooh, Viggo, you naughty boy. Ummmm. |
Moonsigns
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Username: Moonsigns
Post Number: 241
Registered: 07-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 03:24 pm: |
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Good question Bleek!
I think that there comes a time when discourse is unproductive. There is always something to learn from such exchanges though --there are people you have to respect on the sole merit they are human, if nothing else.
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Moonsigns
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Username: Moonsigns
Post Number: 243
Registered: 07-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 03:40 pm: |
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Abm,
Bright-eyed? Indeed!
Optimistic? Indeed!
Naughtier than I am willing to share? I already told you I don't kiss and tell.
Lambd and me, or any other white chick? Never! (We shouldn't even joke about that, you know better)
Considering the medium, you know me fairly well.
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Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 1340
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 03:42 pm: |
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How do we define what is and isn't "productive"? Moreover, WHO said discourse must be "productive"?
Sometimes that which on the the surface appears educational may in fact be dreck and, conversely, that which is silly can prove profound.
I think the REAL issue is one of relative balance. Sometimes being irreverent, silly and even profane does indeed serve a good purpose. Maybe not at, say, a funeral, though. (Hehe!) |
Abm
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Abm
Post Number: 1341
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 03:47 pm: |
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Moonsigns,
There you go, yet again, "...protesting too much." I swear, at this current rate of faux rebuffs, I expect you to be Lambd's moonlit loveslave by Halloween. |
A_womon
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: A_womon
Post Number: 785
Registered: 05-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 03:49 pm: |
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*lick, lick!* PUKE! |
Abm
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Abm
Post Number: 1342
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 04:00 pm: |
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A_womon,
Whassamatah kitty cat? Hur coughing up a furball?
hehe! |
Moonsigns
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Username: Moonsigns
Post Number: 244
Registered: 07-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 04:02 pm: |
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Abm,
What the "f" are you talking about? Explain to me how I am "protesting too much"!
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A_womon
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: A_womon
Post Number: 786
Registered: 05-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 04:02 pm: |
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Whatdahellevah MOONMAN! hahahahhahahahahaha!!! |
A_womon
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: A_womon
Post Number: 787
Registered: 05-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 04:04 pm: |
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Oh abm please don't! in the name of Gawd PLEASE do NOT continue that damned MOONSIGNs and Lambd BS on this nice clean new thread that BLEEK built!!! |
A_womon
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Username: A_womon
Post Number: 788
Registered: 05-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 04:05 pm: |
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Can we PLEASE have a thread that does NOT center around that BULLSH*T????!!!! |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 1343
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 04:07 pm: |
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Chris,
This war is never told from the perspective of some Iraqi smoe who suddenly finds some guys parked out on his front lawn with guns/tanks/bulldozers bossing/slapping around him and his family. I'm not saying that THAT equates to peeling some other dudes dome from the neck up. But A LOT of those people are catchin' more hell from US than Hussein ever gave'em. And not all of them fall within that conveniently villainous classification of a "terrorist". |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 1345
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 04:12 pm: |
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Ops! My last post was intended for another topic (http://www.thumperscorner.com/discus/messages/179/1683.html?1095966849).
Please disregard it. Sorry for my confusion. |
Abm
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Abm
Post Number: 1346
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 04:14 pm: |
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A_womon,
What would you prefer this post center around (oxymoronic phrase)? 'Horsesh*t'? It so, that's cool. Cuz I'm flexible. |
Abm
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Abm
Post Number: 1347
Registered: 04-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 04:15 pm: |
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Moonsigns,
Sorry. I can't talk to you right now. A_womon's orders. |
A_womon
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Username: A_womon
Post Number: 789
Registered: 05-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 04:16 pm: |
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Just ANYTHING but that...I'm dying for some fresh conversation!!!! And you did say that Bleek had a point...did you not? |
Abm
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Abm
Post Number: 1348
Registered: 04-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 04:18 pm: |
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A_womon,
Okay then. What about the new Destiny's Child CD? Have you heard much of it yet? If so, does Beyonce let Kelly/Michelle sing lead on ANY of the record singles? |
A_womon
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: A_womon
Post Number: 790
Registered: 05-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 04:22 pm: |
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You know what? I haven't heard that yet and to tell you the truth, it aint on my list of top ten things to go out and get when it drops!!
Hey abm,
why don't you start that thread that Carey was supposed to about the funniest things said on the aalbc! I already know which one I'm going to start with as soon as YOU or CAREY start the thread. And if you wait too long I'M going to start it! |
Moonsigns
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Username: Moonsigns
Post Number: 245
Registered: 07-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 06:27 pm: |
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Abm,
HaHA --Since your are now taking orders --give me a................................
Just make sure it's "on the rocks"
sorry, I couldn't resist.
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Moonsigns
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Username: Moonsigns
Post Number: 246
Registered: 07-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 06:40 pm: |
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Back to the original post.
Abm asked how we define what is and isn't productive. I think anything that ultimately tears people, or groups of people down, is not productive. Also, discourse that leads to harm of oneself, others, or both, is not productive. While discourse has the potential to birth harmony, most often, it does not. Most people walk away from discourse with more hate in their hearts than before.
Abm, balance is key, but who is willing to balance out their view point (which tends to only be subjective) in order to honor and respect anothers? IMO, not too many folks will do that, hence, the unproductivity of discourse continues.
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Miss_wysteria
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Miss_wysteria
Post Number: 223
Registered: 09-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 08:59 pm: |
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*****SPECIAL TREAT*****
To obtain a FREE COPY of the recent interview with Kola Boof's MOTHER, Claudine Johnson, (the Black American woman who, along with her husband, adopted Kola Boof in 1979 and raised 8 children in S.E. Washington, D.C.) just contact "Nkenge Toure" at WPFW RADIO in Washington, D.C.
The 1 hour program also features Kola Boof and her sister, Spring.
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My mother is a wonderful Black woman from the South who brought the city of Washington, D.C. to tears as she explained HOW she and my father adopted me from SUDAN via Great Britian and brought me to America.
This is an interview that you will CHERISH.
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Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 1350
Registered: 04-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, September 24, 2004 - 12:22 am: |
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A_womon,
I guess you missed my feeble attempt at sarcasm with the Destiny's Child quip, huh? (hehe!)
Moonsigns,
I understand how you feel. But I think what tears people apart more than ANYTHING else is not talking, it's isolation.
Yes communication can be enormously trying. And on many subjects we may NEVER agree. But it is difficult to (to use a Miss_wysteria metaphor) "kill" someone with whom you enjoy talking...even if you don't agree. Because most ongoing conversations requires SOME kind of mutual respect/empathy (albeit however slight). But when we don't talk at all, it is so much easier for that evil voice inside of us all to make our fellow woman/man into the devil.
So I think we should all continue to endure each other in hopes that we will all figure things out. And let's have some perspective. After all, 40 years ago you and I likely could NOT have this conversation.
BTW: What'll yah have? A 'stiff' BLACK Russian...on the rocks? (hehe!) |
Bleekindigo
AALBC .com Platinum Poster
Username: Bleekindigo
Post Number: 99
Registered: 06-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, September 24, 2004 - 10:21 am: |
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Moonsigns, what is not productive about tearing down? There are negative connotations yes, but is it really a negative? Especially in discourse?
You also said: While discourse has the potential to birth harmony, most often, it does not. Most people walk away from discourse with more hate in their hearts than before.
Do you think that discourse is meant to birth harmony? And, do you really think that discourse more often spawns hatred than it does understanding on some level???
Does a viewpoint have to be "balanced" in order for another's to be respected? What does it mean to have a balanced view point really?
Bleek |
Abm
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Bleekindigo,
To support Miss_wysteria’s points, I offer harmony often is born from chaos, much like excruciating noise often precedes the most melodic symphony.
Even life itself is wrought in pain.
Thus, we should not fear contentious discourse. Rather, we should embrace, learn from it and believe that our shared tumult may soon lead to mutual triumphant.
I think what we ALL struggle with being unwilling to be wrong or (worse) have others believe we are wrong. So A LOT of what the fussing is not so much about truth, it’s about pride.
And that is sadly ironic. Because there are few things more liberating than conceding that you are wrong and (painful as it may appear) admitting another is right. And when you think about it, virtually all real/abiding learning/growth starts from THAT point. |
Abm
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Bleekindigo,
Moreover, and no insult intended to Moonsigsn, I find that when many (if not most) people claim to want a "...a balanced view point" what they REALLY mean is they want a "...a balanced [towards MY benefit] view point".
That’s sort of what Fox News means when they claim to present "FAIR AND BALANCE" news. What they REALLY mean is they present "FAIR AND [totally] BALANCE [against those commie, pinko, b*$+*d liberals]" news. |
Cynique
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People argue their passions, and this foments heated exchanges. If a person feels strongly about something, nothing anybody else says will get through because minds are made up. Usually, when there is a civil dialogue, it's in a controlled format. Now, take the invasion of Iraq. There are strangers who almost come to blows when debating this subject. I, myself, am so passionately against the war there, that if Viggo supported it, I would quit his ass. |
Abm
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Cynique,
Yeah. Right. The only reason you said that last part is you know your beloved Viggo has already gone on record as being staunchly opposed to the Iraqi war. If dude were a war supporter, the day Bush announced we were invading Iraq you would have signed up with the US Marines. |
Cynique
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No way. Only if Viggo and I could've enlisted under the buddy system. |
Abm
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Cynique,
Yeah. The "'booty' buddy system". |
Lambd
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This is a completely moronic conversation. The 'merchant' marines wouldn't accept his raggedy azz. Skinny, unkempt, doe-eyed, white trash. He probably wets his pants at the sound of nickel firecracker goin' off. Soft, hollywood, biatch! I guess Cynique didn't put that fantasy away after all. She keeps bringing him up all over this site. As long as she keeps bringing him up, I think it should be open season on his 'dirty drawers'! LOL! |
Cynique
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Well now, Lambd, your sweetie Kola did a pretty good job of keeping the Viggo thing alive. I had pretty much dropped the subject, but she delighted in creating lewd scenarioes starring me and him. No biggie. You and Abm can knock yourself out talking about Viggo since doing so seems to get you off, and it ain't like what either of you say about him changes my appreciation for the things that you don't understand. BTW. I've added jazz guitarist Norman Brown to my mix. Fione and talented and sexy. Yesssss! Gotta run. I'm Viggo's special guest at his Art show today. |
Abm
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Cynique,
I personally would not care that you did your "giddy school girl" tripe about Viggo 'til Kola, in a vengeful rage, pummels you over the head with one of his scraggly cold-dead-legs. As I said before, I am more amused by it than anything else.
Although I have yet to divine whether you continue your Viggo-ego trip in a silly attempt to make some of us (AKA Lambd) jealous or you have achieved certifiable psycho-stalker classification. |
Cynique
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And what would we all do if the omni-present Abm couldn't always be depended upon to put his warped spin on everything? I have no reason to be "bitter" about anything. Devilish? Yes. |
Cynique
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tsk-tsk. A little testy, there, Abm? I hope this means that you will refrain from bringing up the inocuous subject of Viggo in the future. |
Lambd
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Cynique, didnt you post this: "People argue their passions, and this foments heated exchanges. If a person feels strongly about something, nothing anybody else says will get through because minds are made up. Usually, when there is a civil dialogue, it's in a controlled format. Now, take the invasion of Iraq. There are strangers who almost come to blows when debating this subject. I, myself, am so passionately against the war there, that if Viggo supported it, I would quit his ass."? |
Lambd
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Kola nor Abm bought that stringy-haired white boy up in hurr, this time. I say its open season on his bytch azz. |
Abm
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Cynique says: "And what would we all do if the omni-present Abm couldn't always be depended upon to put his warped spin on everything?
ABM says: I don't know. Probably shrivel and die.
Cynique says: "I have no reason to be "bitter" about anything."
ABM says: Denial is one of the first sign of clinical depression.
Cynique says: "Devilish? Yes."
ABM says: Delusional? Yes.
Cynique says: "tsk-tsk. A little testy, there, Abm?"
ABM says: No. Actually, dear, I'm horny. But the wife will be home soon. <ruff!ruff!>
Cynique says: "I hope this means that you will refrain from bringing up the inocuous subject of Viggo in the future."
ABM says: "Sorry Charlie." I won't be letting you/him off the hook THAT easily. |
Lambd
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I might have posted that last message in the heat of jealousy. Still, I offer no apologies for my actions. I don't care for his looks, his 'talent',
or the fact that Cynique likes him. He should be taken our as soon as humanly possible for the sanity of this nation. So let it be written, etc., etc. |
Lambd
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correction: i meant that he should be taken 'out'...
Green-eyed monster can't type while hyped! |
Abm
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Lambd,
Do you ACTUALLY believe that Cynique READS what she writes? |
Lambd
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Never reads what she writes. She just blathers on and on and..... |
Abm
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Lambd,
Be careful now. You don't want to get caught up like that sistah who became so obsessed with actor Michael Douglas (Cynique) that she tried to take-out his actress wife Catherine Zeta-Jones (Viggo). |
Abm
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Lambd,
Yeah. But she "...blathers on and on..." with such style and grace you can't help but get swept up into her bizarre and eclectic little world.
That's why she's got you pissed off about some guy whom we both know ain't half the man(hood) that Cynique would probably need for him to be. |
Lambd
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I'm waaaay past that stage, buddy boy! I got two pistols, a submachine gun, a dozen hand grenades, and a rocket launcher with Viggo's name stamped on it. Cynique's fantasy man's number is just about up! Punk-azz Homaldgo! |
Abm
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Lambd,
Actually, that's Homodago ('gurfren'). But I guess we're splitting hairs.
Okay. I understand you gottah do whatchu gottah do. But at least let Cynique marry up with'em first. Then after you do the deed we can both work on scamming her out of all those "Lord of the Rings" royalty checks. |
Lambd
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You are a smart dude, Abm. But Ima hafta cut his azz if he tryta git sum before then! |
Cynique
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Well, I am back from doing my thing, Lambd and Abm, and I just have to wonder if you 2 don't really don't anything better to expend your energy on? I think if an objective person were to read this series of posts, it would become very apparent to them who's got a problem. |
Lambd
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I told you I have a problem. However, if you must know, I went for a ride to the Motorcycle Shop, where they were having an open house. Now I'm back to fool with you people. Is that alright? My problem is with Viggo. Just because you love that white bastard's dirty drawers doesn't mean I have to. |
Cynique
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Nobody expects you to love his dirty draws, Lambd. I would view you with a leery eye if you did. But the mention of him does seem to make you verrrry excited. |
Lambd
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The boys up in the penetentiary tell me there's a website where Viggo's got make-up and a print skirt on. No drawers at all. He took those pix especially for his fans in the prison system. The caption reads, "Let Viggo pick up the soap for you. He always bends at the waist. Never at the knees. He put the "doll" in "Hidollgo". |
Cynique
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Post Number: 1408
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Is that right? How interesting....zzzzzzzzzz. |
Lambd
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Post Number: 570
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Wake your azz up, Cynique! |
Abm
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Lambd,
I don't know if there's a any known cure for narcolepsy. So I guess you'll have to wait until her Viggo wetdream is over. |
Abm
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Post Number: 1402
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..."I thought I told jah dat we won't stop! I thought I told jah dat we won't stop!" |
Cynique
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I was awake, Lambd, but my worst nightmare, Abm, was right there as usual and I faked being asleep in the hope that he would disappear. |
Lambd
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Post Number: 572
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I just noticed that the two of you have almost the same amount of posts...zzzzzzzz |
Cynique
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Post Number: 1421
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Thanks for calling that to my attention zzzzzzzzz. |
Lambd
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Post Number: 576
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Sure, Sweetie. Anytime zzzzzzzzz |
Abm
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Post Number: 1405
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Lambd,
Isn't it interesting how Cynique continues to incite something then complain about how others react to what she's started?
It's, like, so 'high school'. |
Cynique
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Post Number: 1426
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What am I inciting??? All I'm doing is snoring. |
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