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Cynique
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Cynique
Post Number: 1295
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 08:23 pm: | 
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Boy!Were there a bunch of teary-eyed happy white folks in Oprah's audience yesterday, all the recipients of free cars courtesy of "O" and the Pontiac dealer she collaborated with for a promotions give-away. She presented the keys to brand new cars to 270 people who relatives had submitted their names as someone who really needed transportation. Black folks need to learn how to write to TV personalities. They're were just a few "needy" ones of them in the audience. But, I will be dropping Oprah a note tellling her what I need because these dream-come-true-programs are going to become a regular feature of her show. Choose me, girlfriend, choose me! |
Chrishayden
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Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 621
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 10:29 am: |
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Cynqiue:
Are you a covert O-Maniac? |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 1205
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 11:40 am: |
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Looks like Oprah/Pontiac bought themselves a $#@+load of positive PR. Although, take it from a disgruntled former Pontiac owner, I could do without one of their crappy car, unless of course I can sell or trade it in for a Honda.
Chris,
You know Cynique, like all other Chicagoans, slavishly worship Oprah. Illinoisans would toss Cynique out of the state on her (ample) keyster if she fail to obey and hail the mighty Ms. Winfrey. |
Chrishayden
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Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 622
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 12:49 pm: |
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Abm:
You're right. I am sorry Cynique. Easy for me to criticize you here in an O-Free country. But George Bush instituted regime change in Baghdad--perhaps he will bring freedom and democracy to the people of Chicago!
By the way, have you seen the latest photos of the Divine Ms O? What the hell is that on her head? It looks like a giant tarantula! |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 1211
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 12:59 pm: |
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Chris,
Dream on, pal! Oprah owns that joint lock-stock-n-Cynique.
HAHA!
Yeah. I saw that "tarantula" too.
JEEZ!
You'd think a billion bucks would buy her a decent fake Korean hair job. |
Chrishayden
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 623
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 01:09 pm: |
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Abm:
Ahh, it's just like old times, ain't it? World tag team champions Abm and Chris. You hit 'em high and I hit 'em low. Now if we just had Yukio to kick around again |
Bleekindigo
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Username: Bleekindigo
Post Number: 87
Registered: 06-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 01:30 pm: |
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I've always appreciated Miss Sophia's stand-up--YOU BETTER BASH MISTER HEAD IN NOW AND THANK ABOUT HEAVEN LATER --HAAAALLLL NaaW--i don't want to be your maid ---I'LL KILL-EM DEAD BEFOE-I LET HIM BEAT ME ATTITUDE.
Why is there always such adverse criticim when it comes to Miss Sophia-I mean Mrs. Winfrey?
Bleek-
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Sisg
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Username: Sisg
Post Number: 95
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 01:48 pm: |
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I's remember when you seen me...i was feelin mighty bad, and then you....(gave me a Pontiac, paid for my college tuition, sent me on a vacation, paid off my mortgage, bought me a new warbrobe) and I knew right den and dere, DERE is a GOD, Dere is a GOD!
Go on Oprah, do the damn thing! |
Abm
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Abm
Post Number: 1214
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 01:56 pm: |
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Bleek,
I don't know 'bout anyone else, but I can't STAND her cuz she can buy/sell my @$$ during one of her (myriad) breakfast binges without ever knowing my name.
HAHA!
No. Seriously though, I find the whole Oprah phenomenon to be quite astonding. I mean, here's a chick that has made a mint telling housewives/mothers what they should do with their spouses/children when she herself has never had a husband/kid. And she has gotten away scottfree with doing that for 20 years!
The Oprah things is so unusual, I am beginning to think that there are basically 2 kinds of Americans:
@ Those who think Oprah's the new/improve version of the guy who was last seen about 2,000 years ago.
@ Those who think "Okay now. Can you explain to me again...'slowly'...who is this 'Oprah' and what has she done?". |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 1215
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 01:59 pm: |
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Sisg,
I've still got that pimple on my @$$ that Moonsigns chickened out on helping me with. Considering everything else she's done, you think Oprah will 'prick' it for me too? |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 1216
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 02:00 pm: |
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Chris,
Sorry. I think Yukio’s surrogate mommy Cynique has pre-empted his visiting Thumper’s Corner until we fellas (you, myself and [the worst Yukio basher of all] Lambd) promise not to toss mud on his Pro Keds anymore.
Man! I don’t care what dey say, eventually girls spoil ALL the fun. |
Cynique
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Cynique
Post Number: 1296
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 02:41 pm: |
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I've said on any number of occasions that I am not an Oprah fan. I even detailed how when I attended one of her tapings, she and I clashed when she came down into the audience to take quesions and she didn't like my comment and told me to get my own show. Do you people really think Cynique would kow-tow to the likes of Oprah? Guess the "humor" in my post went over your heads. I need a couple of million bucks and thought maybe she might accomodate me the next time she decides to play God. |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 1218
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 02:57 pm: |
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Cynique,
We got your humor, Babe. Just kneedling, yah.
I find it interesting, though predictable that that the source of your dislike for Oprah would be a prior sistah-gurl spat between you 2. For surely the omnipotent Oprah does not countenance insubordination of ANY kind, especially not from another Black women. Cuz how might that appear to all those good Oprah-worshipping White foks she surrounds herself with?
Frankly, I'm surprised Oprah didn't b@#$%slap you right on the spot for your malevolent defiance. |
Chrishayden
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Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 625
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 03:01 pm: |
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Here Here, Cynique!
I knew you wouldn't let us down! |
Scullars
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Username: Scullars
Post Number: 33
Registered: 02-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 04:06 pm: |
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OK, hate to spread gossip. OK, hate admitting that I spread gossip (on occasion). But I have gotten on the anti-Oprah bandwagon since my aunt told me about a friend's sister who happened to get on the elevator with Oprah. Now we are some middle-class chicks, so it wasn't as though there was a beggar getting in Oprah's face. Anyway, the sister had the nerve to say "Oprah, hello!" Oprah, riding with a white chick, turns to the chick and says in a moderate tone, "See what I'm talkin' about."
Well, that about does it for me. If you have beau-coup money, a "hello" ain't gonna hurt you none. But then that's just my opinion. Anytime I'm bitchy it's `cause I ain't got no money. Give me a tenth of Oprah's money, and I'm gonna be a constant ray of sunshine.
Good for you, Cyn (from one Chicagoan to another). I remember years ago, a woman in the audience told Oprah to stop interrupting her. Oprah's eyes went all the way up into that shag-covered brow of hers, as though to say "Well". Seems to me Oprah needs a few heads-up thrown her way so that she'll stop gravitating above the rest of us. |
Rashena
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Username: Rashena
Post Number: 50
Registered: 08-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 04:13 pm: |
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LMAO @ the title of this thread!!!! |
Lambd
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Username: Lambd
Post Number: 522
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 04:24 pm: |
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Abm: I don't know why you are always trying to pull me down into the muck and slime with you and Hayden! I would never do or say anything derogatory about anyone here on this site! I especially avoid bashing that cross-dressing, brainiac, retard. Oh, don't get me wrong! Its hard! Its very, very hard, because he makes it so dayyum easy! |
Lambd
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Username: Lambd
Post Number: 523
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 04:25 pm: |
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By the way, I wasn't referring to Yukio, Cynique. I was talking about the other cross-dressing, brainiac, retard. So don't get mad with me. |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 1301
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 04:33 pm: |
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Cynique has relinquished her Mother Hen duties. Lambd. You little chickens can insult each other all you want. |
Lambd
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Username: Lambd
Post Number: 524
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 04:36 pm: |
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Furthermore, there's nothing wrong with Oprah. I love the fact that she embraces white folks the way she does. More of us should. I also think she's one of the greatest talk show hosts/ actresses/ philanthopists of this or any century in American/ World history. I think all of you would benefit from learning from her about the reality of the American dream and how we can make it a possibility for ourselves through hard work and perseverance. She is also more than likely a silent observor of the AALBC.
Oprah: I can be reached by email at Lambd@hotmail.com. And unlike Abm, I don't mind accepting tokens of your extreme appreciation. (i.e., a car, boat, house, money, or even an honorable mention about one of my dear friends books on one of your bookclub shows. I'd even accept a plane ticket to come to Chicago to hang out with Halle Berry when she visits again. Of course I would have to go and spend a few days in a luxurious suite with C-neek first. She needs to learn to repeatedly scream, "Viggo who?" at the top of her lungs. And I aim to teach her.) |
Bleekindigo
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Username: Bleekindigo
Post Number: 90
Registered: 06-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 04:44 pm: |
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I was here at work an extra five minutes laughing at your last post!!!
That was funny!
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Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 1304
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 04:47 pm: |
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Yes, Bleek, Lambd seems to have fallen back and re-grouped, and is back, better than ever. If that's possible! |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 1224
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 05:06 pm: |
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Lambd,
HAHA!
I humbly bow to you, fellow Jedi Master. 
And hey. If you wanna kiss Oprah's goldplate @$$, and boy-o-boy is THAT a job for you, I can't even be mad atchu. |
Chrishayden
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Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 626
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 05:29 pm: |
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Oprah:
Don't go with Lambd. Go with me. I don't even want you for your money. I want you for your body alone--
Uh oh. I guess that wasn't being an O-sensitive male.
I guess I am a sexist old barfly like they have said on this site (sigh)
Anyway Oprah, since you are Oprah I don't have to tell you how to reach me, since you are the cosmic one. Just---whistle. You know how to whistle, don't you? |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 1305
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 06:32 pm: |
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If you don't know how to whistle, Oprah, Cynique will tell you. "Just put your lips together, and blow." Also, put a check in the mail to cover the cost of being told how to summon Chris, just-call-me-Bogey, Hayden. |
Lambd
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Username: Lambd
Post Number: 525
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 08:16 pm: |
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All a y'all can just back off!
***throwin' bows like crazee***
I was here kissin' dat azz foist! |
Chrishayden
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Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 628
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 10:15 am: |
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Lambd:
Yeah, I can't stand her show, her politics or her book selections but ain't no denying that Oprah got what a man wants and what a man NEEDS heheheheh SOMEBODY SLAP ME!
You can kiss dat ass all you want just make sure you save some for me (I can't STAND myself!)
She's probably so tied up in business and the show and O-mania she done forgot how to use it--You know Steadman ain't keepin' it in shape!
All that meat and potatoes, going to waste!
Hahahaha! They need to stick me in the electric chair and switch on the juice! |
Linda
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Username: Linda
Post Number: 53
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 12:39 pm: |
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Hey Cynique and Scullars
I feel you. I went to one of Oprah's shows a few years back with four friends from Cincinnati to give her a gift made especially for her. She took the gift, hugged all my friends, then gave me her hand to shake. When I said, hey, I don't get a hug too. She stepped back, glared me up and down, gave me a false smile, then....then, gave me the dryess hug and pat on the back I have ever knew existed. Later that evening again, while in her restaurant, she introduced us to Stedman. I smiled, was cordial and then inquired about the mashed potatoes she claimed to love. She avoided me and recommended items to everyone else to try. I mean, d#%, I was starting to think I was non-existent or the wrong color for Ms O to converse with. Sigh....what a witch. But, I wouldn't mind her dropping off a few mother loads as she passes my way on her broom. LOL |
Lambd
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Username: Lambd
Post Number: 527
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 01:18 pm: |
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Linda, why do you think she was so stand-offish with you and not the four friends? Were you dressed funny? Were the four friends white? Did your breath stink? More info please! When I go pick up my cash, I don't want to make the same mistakes you made.
Gossip: A pimp here in DC told me that whenever Stedman comes to town without Oprah he uses the services of transvestite hookers. When asked why
he always gets the trannies, he said, "They're the ones that know what I like without me having to say it." I also heard that he likes being photographed in lingerie, but only with his own camera. |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 1308
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 01:23 pm: |
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Hi Linda and Scullars. Isn't it ridiculous that Oprah would expect black women to grovel at her feet? But, she apparently realizes how unpopular she is in the black community and doesn't feel she owes her people anything other than large charitable contributions that make her feel good about herself. And Lord knows there are hardly any sistas (or brothas) in her audience of adoring fans. |
Miss_wysteria
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Username: Miss_wysteria
Post Number: 126
Registered: 09-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 01:48 pm: |
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I think Oprah is a great, great woman and I love and respect her immensely. Exactly what people in the so called black community don't like about her---I can't imagine. What I see and hear is a lot of JEALOUSY.
She has created a body of work and a public ettiquette that, to me, is beyond reproach and is wholly in honor of and salutory of Black People, and especially...black women.
People also constantly hate on my friend HALLE BERRY--and I certainly have my own disagreements with Halle, mostly having to do with the COLOR complex and her LACK of Black Male Co-stars (which SO annoys me)--but I can also vouch for Halle being a genuinely SWEET, thoughtful, intelligent and very warm and generous person. Just as beautiful on the inside as she is on the out.
I also think Oprah's film BELOVED is one of the greatest American films ever made.
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DEAR LAMBD--that's messed up.
I see that once I was gone for a day, you finally began posting again and ALL DAY at that. I guess you were in solidarity...trying to PROVE to your pals that you're not a wimp for mean, evil Kola.
I'm trying not to take my intuition person, but action speaks so much louder than words.
Uhn-huuuh (LAUGHING)
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A_womon
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Username: A_womon
Post Number: 730
Registered: 05-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 02:03 pm: |
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YUKIO IS BETTER THAN CHRIS ABM AND LAMBD PUT TOGETHER AND SHOOK ALL DAY EVERYDAY! NOW HOW BOUT THAT?! YALL ALWAYS TRYNNA GANG UP ON HIM BUT YOU CAN'T DO NOTHIN WITH HIM ONE ON ONE YA BUNCH OF GOSSIPY HENS!! NOW!
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Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 1310
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 02:05 pm: |
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Are you personally acquainted with Oprah or privy to what the real Oprah is like, Miss Wysteria? Or are you swayed by her public persona and her carefully-crafted image? When people react to her rudeness or arrogance, it has nothing to do with jealousy but more about civility. And of course you have a vested interest in singing her praising what with a new book you are trying to promote. |
Scullars
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Username: Scullars
Post Number: 34
Registered: 02-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 02:16 pm: |
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Fantasy: I would luv to be in an elevator with a friend when the Mighty O happens to get on. Then I could turn to my friend and say, "Uhm, something sho do smell in here." OK, I'm being nasty, but again not having Oprah's riches makes me a liddle bitchy. It just seems the woman treats the blacks she encounters as though they have a smell, when it's her dayum attitude that stinks.
BTW, I'm waiting for her to do a Michael Jackson when the white folk finally turn their backs on her. Then she can cry to her "community" about the racism she encountered. Maybe, she'll even hire the Black Muslims as her bodyguards. |
Miss_wysteria
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Username: Miss_wysteria
Post Number: 127
Registered: 09-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 02:24 pm: |
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No, Cynique, I don't know OPRAH and from what I've heard....(this is HERESAY mind you)...she doesn't like KB, because supposedly, her closest friends..MAYA ANGELOU and Iyanla...don't approve of KB...as if I give a shit what those old-timey bitches think.
Black American women are fiercely conservative and don't like controversy and shy away from controversial people--until that person is DEAD or until the person's politics become EN VOGUE (note the haters of Malcolm X, Alice Walker and Zora Neale Hurston, who TODAY, have made them saints!), so I knew that my battle to be heard would be MY OWN without the support and understanding of so called "black women". It's the young college girls and black inner city girls who really recognize--immediately--the value in my work and appreciate what my message to them is about.
OPRAH...would NEVER have the guts to have an artist as radical as KB on her show. I can promise you that.
But I did grow up, like any other child, with IDOLS.
And Oprah was one of them and she continues to be. I think she's fabulous and I've heard many more stories from people who actually KNOW OPRAH...that attest to what a warm, loving and genuine person she is.
I think people fail to realize how very HARD it is to be arguably the most famous person on earth...and to constantly have people judge you by 10 to 20 seconds interractions, and especially, people who give off their own
In Linda's case--maybe Oprah was jealous of Linda (which I seriously doubt), but maybe she got a negative vibe from Linda or maybe Linda reminded her of people who had been unkind to her.
I don't have a clue.
But I know many, many...MANY people...who know Oprah Winfrey and they all say that she is a remarkably warm, generous and comical person...with one of the busiest schedules on earth.
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Crystal
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Username: Crystal
Post Number: 104
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 02:39 pm: |
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I give the Big O Big Props for making it Big Time. I've had no personal expreience with her and know nothing but what I see and hear in the media although I've heard of several instances where she was less than charismatic towards black folks, black women in particular. Who knows why? I'm not a fan of her show because I'm not interested in the majority of things she talks about: celebrities [who cares], kids [mine's grown], men [ok 2 out of 3]. But I'll forever be a fan of Miss Sophia!
Scullars: I don't think Oprah will pull that. She's not as weak as Michael [poor thing]. I think she'll take her money and go somewhere and have a good time when [not if] they turn on her.
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Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 1311
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 02:56 pm: |
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It's very easy to be generous and warm and funny when you're the richest, most powerful black woman on earth. If I were in similar circumstances, people wouldn't recognize ol Cynique she'd be soooo generous and warm and funny. My feeling is that Oprah picks her people. She's nice to the toadies and to her peers, but to the commoners who forget she's a "queen", she stiffs them, - which, of course, is her prerogative. And, I certainly don't she's worthy of all the adulation she inspires. Oprah's is someone who was at the right place, at the right time, and now her greatest asset is her money. |
Moonsigns
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Username: Moonsigns
Post Number: 202
Registered: 07-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 02:59 pm: |
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Never met Oprah. I have heard both good and bad stories about her though. Regardless, I like her.
Wysteria, I would like for her to have you on her show --now that would be a great show! |
Miss_wysteria
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Username: Miss_wysteria
Post Number: 128
Registered: 09-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 03:32 pm: |
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Hi Moonsigns,
One chronic problem I have---and Cynique thinks I do this on purpose to annoy her, but I DONT----is that when people ask me something, more times than not, I blurt out the answer without "censoring" myself to my own advantage.
It's not to deliberately be provocative, it's just from childhood trauma--I have a hard time being PC, because what other people find "over the limit, too much info"...is just normal conversation for me.
I have a theory...that being there to see my birth parents murdered...has made me UNDERSTAND that I can die at any moment, without warning...so, therefore, I find myself being an EXHIBITIONIST...a fear of not saying all that must be said in the short space before death. Other "children" who have witnessed murders in their presence have the same problem with OVER-EXPRESSING themselves...or...completely becoming introverted, so it's not just a theory.
So this is a fear that people in the media have with me--because I broke down crying on "The Bev Smith Show" and then went off on some detractors--I went off on the interviewer on a FOX interview because they brought up Amiri Baraka (who I was defending)...they rushed me off my second FOX interview, this one in Prime Time, because I started saying "stuff" about Osama they didn't want to hear....I did an interview with INSIDE EDITION but they never ran it, because the Producer didn't like the way I answered the questions (which was truthfully). One of my closest "white woman" friends, Maureen Harrington at PEOPLE magazine did a whole feature article on me--but the editor decided I wasn't "grateful to America enough" and that I was "too black", so they didn't run the article. They had some GREAT photos of me shot up for that--but they won't even let me have the pictures!
But you're right. The viewers would probably find me really "entertaining"--though they might be a little afraid, because I don't fit any of the images of black women that they're used to. I'm kind of baroque and ancient and see my sexuality as POWER.
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Lambd
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Username: Lambd
Post Number: 528
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 04:51 pm: |
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Wysteria: As taken as I am with your beauty and charm, I do have other things in my life. I'm afraid you are mistaken about me being on the site 'all day'. I really don't have the time. I have an exhausting job, two teenage daughters, and a country full of gorgeous women to chase. Taking a leave of absence from this site unfortunately had nothing to do with you. Truthfully, I usually just read this crap when I get a chance and post when I think I'm being clever (which is more often than I actually am being clever). Soooo, sorry to bruise the ego, but, I just had other things to do. No offense. I still think you are beautiful, busty, intelligent and charming. I just been busy. If my slow ass can't think of anything to post...I just don't post.
Awoman: You have never been more right. I do acknowledge the fact that Yukio is a much better man than the three of us put together. I just like fu&$#ng wid 'em! Whether he's here or not. He don't mind. He'll come back up in here and put me in my place with some words I can't pronounce, so no big deal. Now if he needs you and a few other people to keep steppin' up for him cuz he scurred, that's different. He may as well put that damn skirt on he was wearing when I first saw his pretty lil' azz up in hurr! |
Moonsigns
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Lambd, you're a daddy?! Wow, I'm surprised! |
Miss_wysteria
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Awww, how sweet LAMBD.
Thanks for clarifying, because I really was feeling that I was getting on your nerves.
And I'm jealous--you have DAUGHTERS!!!
I have been trying to get preggers with one of those for years (4 boy pregnancies equals 2 sons alive and kicking).
You and ABM got lucky with the girls. Pray for me to have one, daddy.
Keep your head up.
As for YUKIO:
That's my baby. I like him a lot. But he's another one that claims to like me--but then never talks with me/addresses me/answers me.
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A_womon
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Lambd,
You still cool, dude! Yall just need to quit with the jokes!! THAT aint even cool. AND it aint even funny no more! It's played, you know 'at ahm sayin? just be easy...ahhhhhhhiiiiiiiiight??? |
Moonsigns
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Post Number: 204
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wysteria,
I don't know if the viewers would think of you as entertaining, however, I think many would be scared. I don't think many people can handle or listen to the hurt/pain of others. It makes us realize, especially in America, the pain and brutality that we are so far removed from (for the most part).
However, I still would like her to have you on and I'd like to be in the audience --just in one of the back rows though --ya know, just in case you got fired up or something
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Cynique
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I've never been under the impression that you do things especially to annoy me, Miss Wysteria. In fact, it amazes me that you persist in trying to get along with me. I think on this board, what should be taken into consideration is that it is possible to like the messenger, but not the message. |
Miss_wysteria
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Post Number: 130
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I persist, CYNIQUE, in trying to get along with you...because YOU are my "people" (which is not something that you or I get to decide) and you're a fellow woman and fellow artist...and I JUST KNOW...I just know...that if you really got to know me and the very different background that I come from...then you would UNDERSTAND WHY I feel the way that I do.
People are shaped by their experiences. Some of us, who have [been in sorrow's kitchen and licked out all the pots]..are DRIVEN by them.
I OWE IT to my dead parents...to continue their will. To make their NILOTIC voices heard.
That's what I live for...is for them.
In Omdurman, they would call this..."a good daughter".
And the BLACK community, no matter where it be located, we need more "good children" and -LESS- selfish bling bling trash who have no direction for their people AS A PEOPLE and could care less about the sacredness of "heritage".
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Miss_wysteria
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MOON, if I ever go on OPRAH...I promise to have you personally accompany me as my special guest and "sista-girl" and you and I will turn Chicago upside down--do a little "health store shopping", go to lunch and dinner, get us some facials and new outfits, have professional pics made, DO THE OPRAH SHOW...and you will see...that I am not scary.
I'm just different.
And although we eat lions meat in Sudan, I haven't had any since 1996 (the Ethiopians in Los Angeles serve it up regularly, but I don't like the way Ethiopians prepare lion, they don't know how to "season stuff" in general to me, they cook like Persians and Ottomans--BLECH!)...so...I can't think of anything I'd do that would scare you.
LOL
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Moonsigns
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I don't think YOU are scary, the way you express your rage is scary! We are all different.
A facial a pedicure sound real nice about now! |
Moonsigns
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Sorry, that is supposed to read "A facial and a pedicure" |
Moonsigns
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Post Number: 207
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Cynique,
May I ask, what kind of topic did you comment on that would warrant such a harsh reply? How did you react and how did others around you react? How did you feel?
You did make a very interesting point her fan/audience base.
I like and respect her because she has made her dreams come true, and makes great money doing it. I also watched a special one night (awhile back) about her trip to Africa. When she was visiting with the women who were dying of AIDS and their children --I just sobbed! I felt her actions to be sincere and I don't know how any human couldn't feel any emotion seeing such destruction and helplessness. I am glad she is helping children in Africa (and here). Even if she is only able to provide money for now, so be it. On that merit alone, I respect her.
It is good to read the points of others who have actually had encounters with her. I can't speak from a black females point of view, but I guess I would compare her behavior (from the stories that have been told) to that of Martha Stewarts. People say she is a complete bear. I think it has a lot to do with the differences between the "haves" and the "have nots".
btw, I must also ask, does she look good/healthy in person?
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Abm
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All,
Miss_wysteria makes some valid points about the Oprah bashing. A lot of it is 'haterade' or sort of an adult form of the "[Queen] of the Hill" game where everyone takes turns trying to topple the reigning monarch. But hey, when you spend +20 years telling all of America (and the World) and how they should think/live, you are due a little backlash.
I won't reject/deny that she can be a little @i+c#y in person. I imagine she can at times appear "warm" and other times seem cold/aloof.
She's a chick.
So you never know who/what you're gonna get from one day to the next. One minute she's feeling guilty for having all this notoriety/money. The next she's thinking why do "these people" deserve to be breathing the same air that "I am".
When you got a female who has fame and fortune and unresolved weight and self-image issues and you have the makings of a monster.
No. My issues with here relate to the substance of what she (supposedly) does. Because as I said before, I am amazed that someone has never had a family can make a fortune telling others what to do with theirs.
Also, I read that Oprah requires that everyone with whom she has any dealings (e.g., business associates, vendors/suppliers, friends/family, etc.) sign lifetime agreements to never mention ANYTHING about her personal/business dealings.
Now this chick has scored a billion bucks prying into the most intimate (often sordid/salacious) details about the lives of other people. So I consider it quite contradictory that she would appear to disallow others from doing to her with she has enriched herself doing to others.
And Halle deserves a break, as she seems like a decent enough person. 'Side's. She's no more mediocre than most of what comes outtah Tinsel Town.
PS: I have spent some time behind the scenes at Oprah's studio. And met her briefly. She was positively charming to me and my wife (and one of her make-up artists, to the chagrin of my wife, repeatedly mentioned how handsome she thought I was...but I digress...hehe!). And she looked good (though I think the years of shellacking on the camera-ready make-up is negatively affecting her skin). I did, however, notice that all the males running around her appeared to be of the 'flaming' variety (One of those jokers even tried to feed fruit to me like he was my b@#$% or something). The only straight (looking) guys I saw were the solidly built brothahs who were working security.
A_womon,
"Cluck! Cluck! Cluck!"
Lambd,
Don't you love it when a chick [A_womon] tries to defend her babyboo [Yukio]?
Moonsigns,
You're a White woman. So of course you like Oprah. That's her gift. And that's why she's the world's wealthiest Black woman. |
Moonsigns
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Post Number: 208
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Dam* Abm, you're right --I like her because I'm white.
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Lambd
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Moonsigns: Girl, once in a blue moon you're wit peeks out from behind all that paleness. "you're a daddy?" and "because I'm white." Both are priceless.
Awoman: If you love Yukio, do him a favor and stop bringing that pretty ma$%#erf*&^%er up! I told you he can take care of himself. You aint doin' nothin' but makin' me jealous and its makin' me crazee. I aint neva been jealous of a drag queen before. I been tryin' out new shades of mascara all day tryin' to get your attention! |
Carey
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Post Number: 230
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Y'all something else! I must admit, you guys are pretty hard on ol'boy. But, he seems to take it in stride. I mean if it were me I'd tell you where to go or where youu could kiss. I think any man would. I think that's part of the problem. Is he above that, as A_womon would suggest or is he ahhh.....ahhhh....not *smile*. In other words, why don't he tell you guys to back up. Everytime his playmate speaks up for him all that does is make you guys have a h#@d-on, and the bully mentality kicks in. I must admit that I might have been quilty of a jab here and there but who hasn't been kicked a few times on this board. Yeah, that's it in a nutshell. Every one of us has been called out or talked about and has been given a fair chance to say something in defense of oneself. Sooooo, I think it might come down to "if the shoe fits". Did I just hurl a jab? Okay A_Womon don't get mad at ol'Grayhead, I'm just waking up and warming up so excuse me.
Carey |
Cynique
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In answer to your question, Moonsigns, the incident I made reference to took place at least 5 years ago and as I recall Oprah looked OK. The subject being discussed had something to do with - what else - racism. When she finally got around to sticking the microphone under my nose, I made the statement that racism is "institutionalized", and before I could go further she snatched the microphone away and stuck it in the face of a white guy who responded to my comment. I impulsively reached for the microphone back and requested that I be allowed to clarify my statement, whereupon a testy Oprah pulled away and told me to get my own show and then proceeded to solicit input from other audience members who were all white! No biggie. I actually thought it was funny. What really turned me off was how the audience was instructed to receive Oprah when she made her grand entrance. It was like a pep rally with cheer leaders warming us up. I was visibly unenthusiatic about all the hype, so maybe someone told her about my lack of cooperation, because they do have spotters who observe the audience so that the camera can focus on the guests exhibiting the most awe-struck expressions. Whatever. Oprah can be anyway she wants to be. I ain't her keeper, and she sure ain't mine! |
A_womon
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I reaalllly could blow yall outta the water with alla ya Yukiasations... but I wont. I'll just let yall big ol strong "all mens" keep thinkin what you want. however, a wise man once told me that if a real man thought that another man was "other" than what he said, that real men wouldn't give him the time of day. AND they DEFINITELY wouldn't keep talkin ish about it. Kinda makes ya go hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.....Don't it? |
Bleekindigo
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So Miss Sophia can have an attitude or get salty when someone she does not know wants to talk to her or be a lil uppity actin' on her show sometimes--can't Oprah have her not so pretty qualities/moments like the rest of us?
Can't she just not be in the mood for folks bein' all up in her face sometimes? Especially strangers? Black or not?
Oprah is a buisness woman. She knew what she was doing when she painted her audience white. Unfortunately, though, her buisness savvy caused her-her "black card". Or, maybe she did get lost in the sea of whiteness. I don't know--What I do know and believe is that in the spiraling of her demise or the ascension to her billion-airess throne, she acted in The Color Purple, Beloved, The Women of Brewsters Place, she funds battered women shelters, donates money to Chicago public schools, building schools in Africa and working to help empower women and fight Aids in Africa. Aids is a pandemic in Africa, but it is not the only place that has an Aids population, women everywhere need to be empoowered -everywhere, she could have chosen any place but Africa.
Yes, she utilizes white paint to bring in green money. But she lives in America--what did Nino Brown say in New Jack City? "It's the American Way." I think that maybe folks should concentrate more on where her money goes than the ploys and strategies she uses to get it??
I may catch the show once a year and buy O once a year just because--
I've always been rather indifferent toward Miss Sophia--I honestly don't know how to take her myself--I think that I still am, just wanted to see what it would look like to site the positive aspects of her--doesn't look so bad.
And, she stood up to Mrs. Millie and punched her husband in the Face and she stood up to Harpo when he thought it was okay to try and beat on her!! Can't she git some credit for that?!?!
Then again--she did tell all the black folks at the kitchen table by Harpo and Squeaks that She ain't know dem know mo! So maybe she has crossed over!!
Bleek-
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Moonsigns
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Post Number: 209
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Lamb,
I was really taken back when you shared you have children. I just never pictured you as a "daddy" --you seem like the swingin' single, I-ain't-settlin'-for-no-one, type of guy. We all are wrong at some time and I was definitely wrong about that. I'm sure you are a good father to your daughters --you seem to be very fair and open --for the most part at least.
Too bad I'm married and you think I'm a racist --that's all I have to say to YOU --cheers
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Moonsigns
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Cynique,
That's unfortunate that she reacted that way.
Who knows what it is really like inside the lives and business dealings of these huge tv personalities. I would like to be a fly on the wall in one of these "executive meetings". I think her show would be the perfect avenue to discuss/explore topics such as racism. Too bad --but then again, capital is powerful. Is it easier to get PAID, or tell the truth? YIKES!
Thanks for sharing Cynique --btw, how have you been?
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A_womon
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Post Number: 733
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Lambd: Oh Gawd!! Here you go. Had to get that started didn't ya? hmmmmmmmm! Next thang ya know you gone be runnin around the board agin!!hahaha!!! |
Cynique
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Post Number: 1317
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I am well aware that Oprah doesn't live or die by what I think of her. But I reserve the right to not worship and adore her. To me, she's just a black woman who got lucky and is in a position to do the charitable things that make her feel good about herself. More power to her. That's my final word on the subject. |
Abm
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Post Number: 1239
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Cynique,
Tell thet truth. The only reason why you dislike Oprah is she's one of the rare people you have met who is more egotistical than you are.
And then there's that natural "I hate her because she's a woman" element that lies dormant within ALL women that anxiously awaits a reason...ANY REASON...to spring forth.
With all her money/fame, Oprah must cause geysers of feminine haterade WHEREVER she goes. |
Lambd
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Post Number: 530
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Is that Yukio's voice?...High and shrill?...."Aaaaa-woman!.....Aaaaa-woman! Have you seen my pantiehose?"
Yukes, I hope you know I really don't have anything against your big azz brain. Its just that your fan club keeps askin' for it.
Moonsigns says: "I was really taken back when you shared you have children. I just never pictured you as a "daddy" --you seem like the swingin' single, I-ain't-settlin'-for-no-one, type of guy. We all are wrong at some time and I was definitely wrong about that. I'm sure you are a good father to your daughters --you seem to be very fair and open --for the most part at least."
BL says: I am a swingin' single, I aint settlin' for no one, type of guy. I just happen to be a good father to my daughters, too. You see, that's the difference between us. I already know that white folks can be sensitive, moon-loving, body brushing, round-assed, and shack with a black man all while being a close-minded racist pig. You don't have to be white to be multi-tasking.
I, like Wysteria, believe you to be a genuine person most of the time. But you still haven't genuinely apologized for that racist shytt you said. Whether you meant it or not, you owe every black ass up in here an unconditional apology. When you do that, without any ands, or buts, I will stop referring to you as a racist. Is that too much for you to handle? If you want my respect, you need to acknowledge that what you said was racist, it was a mistake, and that you are sorry it came out that way. No buts this time, because there is no excuse for saying what you said in this forum. Now, THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY TO YOU!
Sneers. |
Cynique
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DID I SAY I DISLIKED OPRAH????? I've always said that I can take or leave her. Just because your inflated ego is the reason you are so jealous of Yukio, don't think everybody else is that way. |
Cynique
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Post Number: 1320
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That post about Oprah was in response to ABM's directed at me. |
Abm
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Lambd,
DAYUM!
What's up, Teach? Some crank @$$ White (female?) student of yours leave a tac in your chair or something and you're taking your anger out on our resident White woman Moonsigns? |
Abm
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Post Number: 1242
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Cynique,
WHATEVER. I know 'haterade' when I smell it. And you are drippin' in it. But hey, I understand that 'dah nile' isn't just a river in Eygpt.
So do yur thang, chickenwang!
And Baby Gurl, there's only one thing about me that's "inflated" and it sure as heck ain't my "ego" (Right Crystal?). ~"BOING!"~ |
A_womon
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Post Number: 735
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abm please for once in your life /BE Quiet and let moonsigns answer an honest post directed her way WITHOUT your interference. so that lambd and her can make up and she can stop chasin him around the board with her tongue hangin out like she has been doing since Miss Wysteria gave that awesome draws droppin description of him.
Dang!!! |
Lambd
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Post Number: 531
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No, Abm, for the umpteenth time, I have asked that moonlovin' white girl to apologize for the racist statements she said before. I think she attempted once, but it was real fake and filled with subtle little phrases where she tried to make it our fault that we thought she making racist comments.
She should have admitted that it was racist and apologized for it earnestly. Where the hell are the African Americans on this African American site, anyway? Am I the only one that cares that she is trying to brush off her comments like she brushes the scales off her dry ass white skin? Like she is some sort of queen in here because she is white and she can get away with saying whatever she wants, even in this forum? If that's the case, let's open it up! I can change my username, get on another computer and pretend to be a neo-nazi and start spewing all kinds of anti-black bullshytt on here just for kicks! None of you seem to mind. Why not? Has everyone forgotten or because she doesn't wear the sheet in public she's one of the 'good ones'?...Whatever. Do we need a resident white woman that bad? I think not.
I will always be for free speech, and I would never try to silence anyone. I will however, reserve the right to express my opinion about what people speak on. My opinion of Moonsigns is though she may or may not be racist, she disrespected everyone here with her racist comments, then just went on posting like "What the hell are you niggers going to do about it? I got me a nigger husband and he thinks that I can do a better job of raising black kids than any nigger wench he could have pulled off the street on any given day, too." |
Cynique
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Yoo-Hoo, Yukio! Abm wants to be just like you when he grows up. (But he's a dreamer.) |
A_womon
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Post Number: 736
Registered: 05-2004
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LAMBD,
I KNOW you didn't just say YOU was the only one callin MOONSIGNS out on the racists shyt she has been sayin since she came on board????!! I am the ONLY person who seemed to catch what she was throwing out that way in the first place. So what you talkin bout???? |
A_womon
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Post Number: 737
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But Lambd, I gotta hand it to you, you aint no slouch and you stand up for yours! which is more than I can say for SOME people up in here!
And Miss Wyst, although she can see traits in the girl that you yourself ascribe to her as well, Miss Wyst called her on it at first, though she did seem to give her a pass on it later. |
Carey
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Post Number: 232
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Tell him A_Womon, don't let him start doing the moonwalk now. Hey, I didn't mean for that to sound that way but hey,.......the moonwalk. That's pretty good if I must say so myself. But anyway, stay right on his A$$, the brotha trying to weasel out but I know you peeped it. Stay on your job girl, you be handlin' it *smile*. Somebody gotta keep this closet....ahhh.....ahhh...you know, in line *lol*. |
Crystal
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Dreamer is right Cynique. Poor thing.
ABM, stop trying to mess up my action with Mr. Honey Man at the end of the bar. You're getting in the way of the business I need to transact. |
Carey
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Lambd
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Hey_woman,
Go back and reread the old stuff, if you can move Yukio out of the way. I know he's over there crowding the computer doing those "15 Letters or More" crossword puzzles. You were the only one making a whole lot of noise. I have been asking the moonmaiden for an apology since day one. You need to simmer your young azz down. You jumpin' up in grown folks bidnezz. I done tole you before,
get you some cookies and milk and sit down. Let a man handle this. You know what a man is don't you? Take a good long look at your boyfriend over there doing them crosswords. Never mind the dress and the lipstick, try to ignore that part. |
A_womon
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Uhm, ok carey...I think.. |
Abm
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Lambd/A_womon,
Normally I would get pissed when somebody tells me to "BE Quiet". Actually, I consider that to be a form of sacrilege punishable via whip lashings. And I stand by my view that I do not consider what Moonsigns said to be racist (But hey, does an ol' sell-out like me know anyway, right?).
But okay, I'll let you all work-off your "Let's bash the White girl" jones sans my interference.
Lambd/Moonsigns, do their thang!
Because what ensues from this may say a lot about Moonsigns...and about everyone else.
Cynique,
Why should I limit my manly aspirations to Lambd? No, actually, I wan't to be like you. But there's only so much of a MAN that even I could can ever hope to be ("But [alas, I am] a dreamer."). |
A_womon
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Ok Lambd ok...noise hunh? Well let me tell YOU something... YOU stick to tellin MOONSIGNs off and don't step to me... If you know how good it is for ya! |
A_womon
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Abm,
You just couldn't help it. could ya? You had to try to pitch ya girl that undercover life line ANYWAY didn't ya?????? |
Moonsigns
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Lambd,
First things first, my husband does not think I can raise black children "better" --we do what we feel is good for our family and our kids. I don't think black women are "nigger wenches" (YOUR words) either. I'm NOT a racist pig either!
Man, I didn't know you were that angry about it. I truly apologize for offending you (and Thump and wysteria)!
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Lambd
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Awoman: tell me, how good is it? I feel like steppin'! |
Abm
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Okay now, I know yawl ain't even trynah pull MY Negrow registration card up in hur. Cuz if DAT's the direction we're headed, then you ALL bettah strap-on.
Cuz HELL gun' be coming fah suppah! |
A_womon
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Well, Lambd, that just goes to show you that the girl will do ANYTHING to get your attention back! Was that a good enough apology for the site?
As for me, she can take her apologies and shove em all up in her moonpies cause she will always be nothing more than a fake azz whatever!!! |
Cynique
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In the true spirit of our lunar connection I forgive Moonsigns, for she know not what she sayeth. Amen.
BTW, Lambd, send me a picture of yourself so I can see what I'm missing. I'm sure my new computer will do it justice.
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Lambd
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Moonsigns: I don't mean to come on so strong, for real. It just seemed to me that you were trying to get away with something. Most blacks harbor a mistrust of white folks anyway, then when someone seems okay at first, you let your guard down, and something like that comes out of their mouth, you get taken aback. You know? So, I guess really, what I'm trying to say is, watch yourself and what you say around here because we are watching you. We should never have known that you were white to start with. I'm not saying that you should have kept it to yourself. I'm only saying that we should not have been able to tell.
Abm: Do you feel better, now? I tried to explain to your girlfriend how I feel in nicer terms out of respect for you. You up in here getting all jumpy cuz we fu*%$ng wit da white gal again. You still my dawg. Let's get together sometime with Chris and have a few beers and kick the shytt outta Yukio sometime. Aight, playa? |
Lambd
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Cee-Cee: Why settle for a picture when you can have the real thing, baby. Anyway, I'm still trying on shades of eyeshadow for Awoman. Once I cold cream all this crap off my face, I'll send you a picture. I just bought a new nightie that I'm dying to let you see me in. |
A_womon
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Answer me Lambd! Her apology to you, was that good enough for you? Is that what you were looking for????? |
Moonsigns
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Lambd,
Does that mean you forgive me? |
A_womon
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Yeah Lambd, does it? |
Abm
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Lambd,
Hey playah. Lately it looks like you, not myself, are the object of Moonsigns nocturnal affections. So do it up, Chuck. Jus' don't let that other brothah man know you been runnin' up in dur.
But anytime for chug, or 2 a few with you and Chris. And I'll even buy the first round ("I wonder what's the cheapest beer you can buy on tap?").
I think, though, we should leave Yukio alone. Hey, I know it's fun as all get out. And it's as easy as poppin' crabs in a barrel. But I wouldn't want his friend ('slash' loveslave) A_womon cryin' and carryin'on up in hur. |
Abm
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Yes, oh grand, omnipotent Lambd...WAS IT? |
A_womon
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So abm,
You too have seen the trail of drool that moonsigns has been leaving for lambd to slide (up) in....
So OBVIOUS |
Abm
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A_womon,
Well, 'cha'. Of course I have. I know the smell of "White girl in heat for a brothaman" from a mile away. That stuff so popular, they could sell it in the toiletries section at Macy's. |
Abm
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But hey, you know how some White chick can be. They won't quite dig you unless a brothah smacks'em around a tad.
And Lambd just did a lil' smackin'. |
Abm
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That was one of the reasons why I stopped messin' with'em. Cuz I didn't know whether we were engaged in foreplay or a domestic violence incident. |
A_womon
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hahhahahaha soooo true!!!! when they get on a black man's scent that man can call em all kinds of names tell they don't want to be bothered and they will SSSSSTILL try to step to them! Well at least the ones that have that lunar energy going for them. Or is it lunacy energy??? HAH! |
Abm
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A_womon,
Girl. The stories I could tell you...would BLOW your young mind! |
Moonsigns
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Abm,
No one but my love is the object of my affections --and for very good reasons at that! Just as you said, I am a "wary" woman. I know what this IS and what it ISN'T! I just like to joke around like everyone else --and ALL of you do it to some extent! Don't make this another "white gurl" thing either, because it's NOT!
About my apology to Lambd, it is sincere! Just as I like many other people here (both male and female), I like Lambd.
I'm only human
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A_womon
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Hahahahahhaaha! Yeah she especially likes the description Miss Wyst painted of him on the board. She could hardly contain herself!!!! |
Cynique
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Can't allow myself to think about the real thing, Lambd. Feeling what I'm missing might blow my mind. |
Carey
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Now wait a minute. We don't want this here little playground to start sounding like some racist jount. It's okay to stand your ground and defend your territory but let's not slip into "what white people are and will do and all that mess. Yeah i'm lookin' at you little girl. But hold-up before you get your panties all in a bunch. I know everyones been up in here talkin' that thang but "some" seem to cross the line so let's try to be a little more respectful.....okay. I know you know what I'm talking about. If I had to bet it, all of you have people of a different color that you respect and trust. I also would suggest that you'd hate for them to hear you speak this way. I know none of you are racists but let's not give the board a bad name. Play is play but let's not get out of line.
Okay Lambchop, Sarge is going back to bed. I'm going to let you children stay up a little late tonight since you don't have school tomorrow. Don't have me come out here with my belt. Y'all can stay up as long as you keep the noise down. A_Womon, go in there a put something on, you see these hungry wolves out here.....go on.....I know that look ain't for me.....you better pick that lip up to.....I'm gonna give you sometin' to pout about if you keep on rollin' your eyes at me......go on, and pick that lip up off the flow.....kids, damn.
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A_womon
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Hold up Carey,
You know I got much respect about what you say here and I always will have. But if you still feel that way when I speak my peace then I'll back off.
Now, respect, that's a two way street and I don't Owe someone who has shown no respect ANYTHING. ESPECIALLY since they continue to disrepect YOU.
I don't think it has anything to do with that. In fact if it wasn't a white person who was throwin herself at someone like that and we dogged them out (remember KB?) you wouldn't think twice about correcting anyone. I specifically said the lunar type, so that is what I meant and I don't take it back. I am talkin about a specific person not a whole race. Damn. Why do we have to tiptoe around ish around here???? THEY certainly don't and that's messed up!!! |
Carey
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Hey 477, In front of the world I bend down on my knees and ...." I'm sorry". Don't ask and I won't tell. |
Carey
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Hey A_
My 2: 30am post was not directed totally at you. I messed that up. What you say is true, I agree with you. In fact I've felt the same way. They don't seem to understand ( or the could be playin' the nutrole) they can not, should not ever-no-never repeat racial slurs in our company. You know how some of them will try to drop in on you, on the "they said" tip. They will say something like, "So, you guys think I would say "them black a$$ niggers, ain't nothing but a bunch of lowlifes", when in fact I have not and you guys say nigger this and that all the time". A_womon, I feel ya. They think we don't know that they be getting their rocks by simple uttering the words. They ain't slick and every closed eye ain't sleep. So I'm there with you, they continue to try to lay down their magic thinking we are sleep. I can surely see why they would feel that way given all the red carpet that's been laid and the Tom Droolery I've witnessed. But here's where I disagree with you. You've told them how you feel. You've stated your position yet you still continue to repeat it. Pssst, come closer, yeah closer.....okay, never let them see you sweat and don't even flinch when throw some shit in the game. You know what and when it's time. The game is on but by you tuckin' away your thang they will never see it coming! Schools out, take that home and ponder on it awhile. Now tell nobody, game is to be to sold, not told. The payment comes in all......ALL forms.
Carey
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A_womon
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Yes Carey, I see... and especially when she dropped in on this board "just passing through" and laid all of that spiritual energy bullshi*t about just hating the word "nigger" and how she would NEVER even think about using it in any shape form or fashion because it just killed her inside at the mere thought of the hateful word cause she was just so special and spiritual and so energetic inside and she was honoring our ancestors by not even writing the word and she couldn't even imagine why ANYone would ever use the word...EXCEPT when it suits her purposes...
FAKE! |
Linda
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Lambd - In answer to your question of what I did to deserve the treatment from the big O -- I did nothing at all. I was appropriately dressed, breath was sweet, hair in place, manners intact. So were my four friends. However, their skin tones ranged from walnut to deep rich chocolate and they were over-joyed at being in her presence, groveling as Cynique called it, whereas I am very light skinned and didn't see a need to be overly excited by her. So maybe as Miss Wysteria stated it was because she picked up on a negative vibe (bullsh$t) or she was jealous. Who knows. We finally decided that Oprah was color struck. She plays the white people, fakes it with the blacks and merely tolerates the tweenies (this isn't the case for Stedman, of course.) |
Miss_wysteria
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Linda...to be "colorstruck"....OPRAH (who paid $4 million to get her close, CLOSE bi-racial friend Halle Berry out of that hit and run accident)...to be colorstruck sure does have a LOT of close, close HIGH YELLOW friends.
Not just her orange faced-yellow legged-ivory bellied LOVER of 20 years--Steadman Graham, but also Toni Morrison, the afformentioned Halle Berry, the blue eyed Vanessa Williams.
Why is she so close to SO MANY lightskinned people?
I could be wrong, but I'm just guessing that what happened (and happens all too often) ...IS.....Your "dark" friends were really acting overjoyed to meet her....and as you said......YOU didn't see any reason to get overly excited, and being SO INCREDIBLY light skinned standing next to those "dark brown" people, your body language came off the wrong way--and coming from TENNESSEE as Oprah does...well, lawd, lawd...how well she knows the Blue Vein society and how they used to scream and get excited over Lena Horne, act gracious and proud over Diahann Carroll....but act downright comatose towards Cicely Tyson. OPRAH probably mistook your "subdued-ness" and your NEARLY white skin tone as an indication that you were the old IMITATION MISS ANNE of the group....and since she's earned her way in life and took enough of that stuck up "colorist" shit down south...she probably just decided to treat YOU to your own "sub-dued-ness".
And one thing about "dark skinned women" that is totally justified (call it being colorstruck if you will)...is that they deeply resent how even the nicest, most sweetest Nearly-White colored women still continue to deny how their lives have benefitted from White Supremacy and how they have HELPED to reinforce the color complex by creating so many JACK AND JILL societies and then whining and boo-hooing about how mean the black girls treated them and how they're...."just as black as we are"....but then, miraculously....their blues STILL ain't like ours and they still refuse to relinquish the pedestal that the slave master gave them, too.
MOONSIGNS, when I was arguing with her about race, reminded me of a HIGH YELLOW colored women and that special "peripheral vision" they have. I've noticed in this country that the HIGH YELLOW women have far more in common with the WHITE WOMAN...than with the Black Man's real mother...the AUTHENTIC black woman.
I just had to mention that..because I get so sick of high yellow black women comparing their tepid little knocks and pangs...to the VIRTUAL "invisibility", powerlessness and total dehumanization that attends the life of an authentic BLACK girl who looks like Alek Wek or India Arie (within the confines of what is SUPPOSED TO BE her own racial group).
At least someone like you, Linda, whether BLACKS reject you or not..has her WHITENESS and Straight Hair to fall back on...if nothing else.
But when BLACKS routinely reject women who look like Alek Wek and India Arie...what do THEY have to fall back on--and what ever becomes of those pitch black invisible women?
There just IS no comparison between the two experiences and I'm so sick of "TWEENIES" and all the colorstruck BLACK MEN that have traditionally placed "white looking sistas" over black women....trying to claim that there is a commonality.
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Miss_wysteria
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At least someone like you, Linda, whether BLACKS reject you or not..has her WHITENESS and Straight Hair to fall back on...if nothing else.
But when BLACKS routinely reject women who look like Alek Wek and India Arie...what do THEY have to fall back on--and what ever becomes of those pitch black invisible women? |
Carey
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Hello
Now Ms. Wys, why.......why did your post have to be directed at her? You could have said all of that (and you know it)without adding her name. For those that don't know it, Linda and Wezzie have a history....oh yeah. They've done battle. I just thought I'd stop the roll before it got momentum.
Hey, $24.95 is a heap big price. There must be some grand mess up in there . |
Abm
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What does "SO INCREDIBLY light skinned" mean? Does that mean you are practically invisible, Linda?
Hehe! |
Abm
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Carey,
I respectfully disagree with your response to Miss_wysteria. Because I think given Linda's own comments MW directing her response to Linda was indeed apropos.
Linda,
I find it 'interesting' that you chose to interject your skin tone into comments about why you and Oprah did not hit it off. Is it possible that Oprah gleaned from YOU a not-so-subtle uppity high-yellow negrow aura that she did not appreciate? |
Abm
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Miss_wysteria,
If there is indeed "no commonality" between light and dark skinned Black women, then what should they/we ALL do? Completely disavow ourselves from the notion that we all are 'Black' and simply view one who's skin tone is markedly different from our own as being something OTHER than what we are?
Should ALL people of African descent formally delineate and separate themselves PRIMARLY on the basis of skin tone? |
Moonsigns
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Post Number: 214
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Hi wysteria!
Abm, glad you're back --I was hoping that you would share some of your "white girl" stories --I'm sure it would be a "hoot" (sound familiar?) I have mine as well. Maybe we can compare?!
About lambd, I wouldn't even deal with a man like that in day to day life, not like "that" at least. The only reason I'd like to meet some people (not just males and not just lambd) is to make them realize I'm nothing what they think --not to "hook up". I'm sure many of us would react quite differently if we were dealing with one another on different terms. If the brother sounds intriguing, so be it (it is what it IS --HAHA) but for real, I wouldn't date or be involved with a man who says some of the stuff lambd has said --AND proably likewise. He isn't the type who seems to date white women. It's all good. I know what this is and what it isn't. Remember, players only love you when they're playing. It's all human nature --don't you or anyone get that shyt twisted. Moonsigns is not one to be bytch slapped period, moreso, be bytch slapped and then lay down. You should know me better.
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Miss_wysteria
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Post Number: 137
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ABM...I did not say...that there is no commonality between "lightskinned" black women and dark black women.
I said that there is no commonality (other than what's FORCED) between WHITE-looking black women, ie. Mariah Carey and dark skinned black women.
Their lives, how they are perceived and treated is TOTALLY different.
And I am not talking here about light brown or dark yellow women.
I am talking about HIGH YELLOW, nearly white black women like my Arab Egyptian grandmother who put me up for adoption---because I'm black.
Those are the women I'm talking about...and their constant, insufferable "whining" about HOW HARD LIFE IS....looking white when you're "black". Of course, in Egypt, a woman would NEVER have to do that---because no one would accept that she was "black" in the first place---but over here, it so gets on my frigging nerve.
OH..my life is just soooooo unbearable because I'm lightskinned and all the men want me because I'm closer to a White woman than a black one, and I get to star in all the movies...OH, and I get SOOOOOOO mistreated by the mean, evil black women who have to live in my DARK SHADOW.
Oh, my life is just....ever so hard.
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Miss_wysteria
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Post Number: 138
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MOOON...Lambd can tell you that "I" for one am no different in person, no less profane....than I am on this board.
Most of the people here, I believe...would be no different in person.
There was a white woman at my show at UDC...and I had to go face to face with her IN PERSON...and I was WORSE in person, than I am on this board. And in retrospect, I feel sorry for her.
I talked about black men and their treatment of black women while LAMBD was there...just as open and graphically as I do on this board.
Ask him.
I came down into the audience where the WHOLE MASS was free and clear to get up and kick my ass...and I talked to them openly--with truth and clarity and plennny CUSSING, and they LOOOOOOOVED my dirty drawers.
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Miss_wysteria
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Post Number: 139
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ABM SAID:
Linda,
I find it 'interesting' that you chose to interject your skin tone into comments about why you and Oprah did not hit it off. Is it possible that Oprah gleaned from YOU a not-so-subtle uppity high-yellow negrow aura that she did not appreciate?
WISS SAYS:
****And that was why I just couldn't resist, because I've never seen any HINT of being "colorstruck" from Oprah Winfrey.
From Kola Boof--most definitely. That bitch is totally black and evil and hates ANYONE who isn't black as her hubby's balls. Her being colorstruck, I could believe.
Although, then again--the heroine of her new novel is HIGH YELLOW with green eyes and very African (although she keeps turning charcoal black from another lifetime), so....
But NOT Oprah.
What I do think...is that Oprah probably always wanted to BE white...and could of been jealous of Linda for that. I notice a lot of DARK chocolate black women envy a woman like Linda--because THEY want to be that color.
Now that I would believe about Oprah.
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Miss_wysteria
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What I do think...is that Oprah probably always wanted to BE white...and could of been jealous of Linda for that. I notice a lot of DARK chocolate black women envy a woman like Linda--because THEY want to be that color.
Now that I would believe about Oprah.
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Miss_wysteria
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And just so we're clear ABM...I do not consider Mariah Carey, Vin Diesel or The Rock to be "BLACK" people.
Not in any way whatsoever.
I DO see Linda as a black woman (OK: what we call "half-caste", but that's still FAMILY). I see Halle Berry as "black". I see Louis Farrakhan as a "half-caste Arab" or "white"....because Arabs are "white" and Europeans are "caucasoid".....I see Redd Foxx as "black"...I see Malcolm X as "black"...I see Pearl Cleage as "black/half-caste".
That's how I see from an African eye.
Your way in America is totally different, and I've been baffled by it since childhood.
I just try to pretend to go along with your slave master's rules (as many of us do), so that people's feelings aren't hurt and to keep out of fights with those milk-whites that pass for black people over here.
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Miss_wysteria
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Before Linda comes back in here and busts me out by saying it again:
YES...technically...I am half-caste, too.
But mines don't show. And since my grandmother is the only person on this earth that I truly HATE, I'm thankful to GOD that it doesn't show in my skin.
I would committ suicide if I looked ANYTHING like that Kom Ombian white scum sandnigger that calls herself a woman.
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Cynique
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Your rage against your grandmother says more about you than it does about her, Miss Wysteria. Has it ever occurred to you that it's your blackness you hate, not your grandmother? Your whole frame of reference on the subject of color is totally subjective. Your grandmother's rejection of you is what fuels your thinly-disguised resentment against people who are light-skinned, no matter how much verbal subterfuge you engage in to disguise this. And just why is your skewered African view of the color any more valid than that of those who are not from Africa? I hope Linda decides to do what I have, which is to not let people lay guilt trips on me because of my color. If a person has a problem with my being "light-skin-ed" then they can kiss my high-yellow ass. I, myself, am not color struck and never have been. Wit and intellect are what impress me. |
Linda
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Hmm, let's see...where should I start!
Cynique: Thank you! I refuse to let anyone of any color of skin ever decide who I am or why I am here--as my girl India sings in her song-I know my creator didn't make no mistakes on me. Every freckle on my face is where it's supposed to be.
ABM: You are comical as usual. LOL
Carey: I told you not to stir that pot. Now you done went and spilled some.
Miss Wysteria: You know I know where we both stand on these issues. And yes, I was going to bust you out. For one I have never understood how you think your battle with showcasing your blackness (which is tainted) is yours and yours alone. But you hit one good point, the problem begins with you and others like you who still believe that life in any shade of light is intimidating to those of darker complexions. Never, ever and I do mean never can you or anyone else ever walk in my shoes, nor I in yours. For years I have tried to determine what it is that you and others feel makes my life an easier. All your drivel of we have sooooo many more opportunities is a bunch of trash that never seems to get picked up. If it were true we would never have been having this conversation as I or someone who looks like me would be an Oprah and I doubt very much if the masses of black women would be groveling at my feet. Now, as I said in my earlier post. My friends and I came to this conclusion based on the reaction from Oprah. I never snobbed her, showed her any disrepect or gave off any vibes for her majesty not to at least be cordial. Maybe all was not well in her Kingdom that day and she just wanted to off with my head to make herself feel better or superior. Frankly, I don't care as her issues are hers and hers alone. I will not grovel at the feet of anyone other than my creator, no matter how much money they have or who they think they are. |
Abm
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Post Number: 1263
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Moonsigns,
I think it is best I abstain from telling my "White girl stories". And I don't follow your "I'm sure it would be a "hoot" (sound familiar?)."
Miss_wysteria,
I am sorry for mischaracterizing what you said. But, again, what should we DO? Should we 'Black(er)' looking people segregate and discriminate against "white looking " people like Mariah, Vin and the Rock in the ways in which you might argue that they have against others?
Also, how does one 'qualify' for being 'Black' from your perspective? Is skin tone the sole determinant? Or is one's relative affinity for their fellow Black(er) African descents the sole or primary criteria?
I suspect you may be right that Oprah on some level wishes she were lighter in skin tone. Consider how this world has worked for centuries, it would take an enormously well-adjusted Black woman to NOT on some level think/feel thusly. Although, what is ironic about that is it is WHOLLY unlike that Oprah would be the rich/famous person that she is were if she were a "Lena Horne" type. Because women, White/Black, would be too offended by her appearance to have allowed her to ingratiate herself within their lives low these many years.
Cynique,
No matter how cool/aloof you are in your responses to Miss_wysteria, you can not casually discard the veracity of her words. Because in most of the world, skin color and tone often means EVERYTHING. Just because you refuse to accept that does not mean that that is not so.
So everything you say to Miss_wysteria is likely valid and true. But from the perspective of a "blue" Black colored person, that is quite 'easy' for you to say. |
Miss_wysteria
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Post Number: 143
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Cynique, anyone who reads that "novel" you wrote or read the statements you posted about Wallace Thurman's novel "The Blacker the Berry"--will be fully aware that you are most definitely colorstruck...and RESENTFUL of what you perceive as "undue sympathy" going to dark skinned women...mainly because you can't stand black people in general and believe yourself to be an improvement.
Nobody requires that lightskinned people to have a "GUILT TRIP"...what I WANT is justice and humanity for authentic Black people. I could give a shit about how lightskinned people feel, just as I could give a shit about how WHITE people feel about the Institutional injustices of colorism and how both groups--whites and mixed blood lights--have benefitted for hundreds of years from that injustice. What I WANT for my own darkskinned sons...has nothing to do with YOU.
As for me hating my own blackness---what a joke---I really, REALLY don't think you've read any of the 6 books I've written or payed very good attention to my life and my lifestyle, because if you did, then you would know damned well that it's not "blackness" I loathe in this world.
And if my grandmother, Cynique--if she were blue black as plums---I would still HATE her ass for putting me up for adoption. Forget color.
What kind of grandmother puts their own grandchild up for adoption because she "fears" that the community will realize that she herself has black blood in her???
Give me ONE REASON....WHY....I should not HATE my grandmother?
My parents (her son) were murdered in front of me--and her answer is to cause further emotional trauma and damage to a child younger than 10 by putting me up for adoption.
Forget about her color--that's just the signifier which explains her actions---but who wouldn't hate their grandmother?
And I will KICK your high yellow ass before I kiss it, Cynique, so you can tuck that envelope under your right arm....right along where Viggo stamped your "Head Nigger Wench on the Plantation" papers.
Got that Trixie?
Cause I am one skewered African bitch that you WILL NOT dictate to, you geritol-guzzling snot colored skank!!
Go bark at somebody else's car, OLD YELLER, because if you keep barking at mines...I'm liable to run your Good Witch of the East ass over!
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Abm
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Post Number: 1264
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Moonsigns,
Your reference to the Fleetwood Mac lyrics "...players only love you when they're playing." remind of something that is (marginally) relevant: Mac's lead singer Stevie Nicks was a FIONE looking White woman in the 70-80's. And she even had sort of a dark, gothic witch/Wiccan kinda thing going on that made her appear even sexier/kinkier. |
Carey
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Post Number: 240
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No see, I don't like to take sides for obvious reasons but damn, some of that s$$t Wezzie be saying is funny as hell. I ain't even trying to stand in the hecklers row either, it's just that I am taken aback by some of those names she comes up with. That Geritol line .......did me in!
Where's my book women.
Hey, you should try standup comedy. I can see it now, you, Lambchop and IBM. Y'all have surely missed your calling.
""OLD YELLER".......come on y'all, you know that's funny. I'm going to steal some of that s$$t, yes I am.
oouuuuweeeee, that made my day.
Linda, I ahhh.......I was only....ahh...tryin' to...ahhhh. Girl can't you see I'm trying to help you .
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Abm
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I don't know 'bout the rest of you. But for me, nothin's says lovin' quite like sippin' a cup of coffee and reading a spat between Cynique and Miss_wysteria on a bright-n-sunny Sunday mornin'. |
Sisg
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I think we got something better than Oprah on this board...boy, if we could package it, sell it to primetime tv..it would be a hoot, better than that GA Gang show with all those old fogies talkin about politics and stuff, just get together, Wysteria, ABM, Cynique, Lambd, Yukio, A_womon, Carey, Linda, Chris Hayden and the bunch..and don't forget Thumper as moderator and Troy as the voice of reason, then let them go at it on various topics everyday. It would be better than Oprah, Jerry Springer (with no fights), put together, then invite some real controversial guests in, like Rush Limbaugh, Bill Cosby, hehehe, and let yall go at it. Yep, I think i'm gonna write this one up!
Oh a name, we need a name! |
Moonsigns
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Post Number: 215
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Abm,
Awhile back you had mentioned that you thought it would be a "hoot" if I shared some of the experiences with women of color --remember?! Just as you feel that it would be best to "abstain" from telling your stories, I feel the same way. We both feel the same.
I really like Stevie Nicks, she is a bad azz chick! I was born in the 70's and my parents love Fleetwood Mac, especially my papa! I love most of the stuff that came out of the 70's --dam* I still love the music of Saturday Night Fever! Me and my syblings used to dance so dam* hard to that freakin' record the shyt would skip *LOL*! Talking about Stevie Nicks just takes me back --what great memories!
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Moonsigns
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Post Number: 216
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Wysteria,
Wanting justice and humanity for "authentic" (as you say) black people is warranted. However, hurling insults at Cynique, especially "snot colored-skank", is totally unwarranted!
I like you and I like Cynique. I think what you wrote about her is absolutely irrelevant to the topic at hand --especially when she really agrees with you. Read back a bit.
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Moonsigns
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Post Number: 217
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wysteria,
One reason why you shouldn't hate your grandmother?
This is the way I view things --MY opinion. Please just take it as food for thought, as we are exchanging/sharing ideas. I am not about to debate the things you have experienced. I have NO ground to stand on. However, I do know what it is like to struggle and overcome evil energy.
What your grandmother did to you was disgusting. I can only say I'm sorry, though mere words can't buffer the pain you (understandably so) still feel. This is how I view good and evil though.
Your grandmother's actions are rooted in evil (hate), no doubt. However, you hating, though you may realize it or not, is only an extenstion of her legacy, HER story. Your story is one of seeking freedom/emancipation (which is God-given) and birthed in love. I have seen (by SOME of your actions here) that you still carry and rebirth that hate at different times --it's HER legacy though, not yours.
The ONE reason you shouldn't hate her is because it depletes from the energy you need to complete your DIVINE purpose, which is birthed in love --HUMAN rights are rooted in LOVE and GOOD! Unforgiveness and hate only continue the cycle of that which is evil --you inevitably use the same energy you so despise --it's counterproductive.
Again, this is just the way I see things. I have always felt you have an incredible message to share! In your quiet time, please think on these things! |
Abm
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Post Number: 1266
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Moonsign,
Oh Ho! Clever gal. Trying to toss a lil' bit of ol' ABM's rhetoric back at'em, huh? I guess I'd better start READING some of what I write.
So you are a 70's baby, huh? Hmmmm? That may explain some things. Were your foks some of the hippy, let-it-be, LSD-loving, permed Afro-wearing White foks? If so, that might help explain your looney...dang, I mean...'lunar' disposition.
Sisg,
That would be a "hoot" (<wink> Moonsigns). Our inaugural show would feature a bikini-clad tag-team chocolate pudding wrestle contest featuring you, Miss_wysteria and A_womon on one team and Cynique, Moonsigns and Linda the other. The winning team gets to join-up with Lambd's Chocolate City harem. The loser must launder Lambd's month-long worn briefs.
Lambd, don't ever say I never tried to do you a solid.
PS: At this very moment, BookTV/Cspan2 is featuring AA authors. And following that program, BookTV will do a feature on mysogyny in hip-hop. |
Cynique
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Post Number: 1332
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The book I wrote was fiction, Miss Wysteria. Everybody didn't interprete it the way you do because everybody is not obsessed with playing the race card like you are. And every time I read one of your name-calling rants, I realize how emotionally unstable you are. That's why I'm never impresssed with what you have to say because you're a neurotic out of control fool. You may be pushing 50, my gawky ungainly Amazon freak of nature, but you have the infantile mentality of a 10 year old moron. |
Lambd
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For the record: I will not be asking for another apology from the MoonGoddess. I will leave that subject alone, however, I reserve the right to watch her posts and disect everything she says in the future. A sort of 'lunar watch' if you will. I don't trust white folks, I never have. I don't think I ever will. Moon let me down with the comments she made. Even though she didn't outright say anything against our black mothers, the way in which she said it made it clear that her opinion was that black women have been doing a piss poor job of raising us. A comment like that coming from a white woman in a black literature forum is unacceptable. How you people can act like it didn't happen is beyond me. I could never look at a white woman that was so obviously racist and disrespectful without wanting to spit in her face. Sorry, Abm, forgiving is not forgetting. She said it, she obviously meant it. Apologies notwithstanding, I'm keeping my eye on her just the same. Moonsigns: you don't have to worry about going there with me. I'm not the type of weak black man that can overlook these things. I dated a wonderful white woman in my youth. Beautiful, kick ass body, Phd. We had so much fun. One day she jokingly made some derogatory comments about a black woman friend of mine. About how uppidity she is because of her little government secretary job and she thinks she is all of that when she can finally buy a new car at age thirty.
About how she weaves her hair and goes to night clubs and dresses up her apartment and has a son out of wedlock. I told her college isn't the most important thing in a young woman's life all the time when their father isn't working. Paying the rent and food is. When you don't have anything growing up, sometimes its easy for material posessions to take a front seat to buying a house. These things may not be right in the eyes of a middle class white girl who got her Phd at twenty-four years old. But in the eyes of a nineteen year old black girl that never had anything much less the love of a father figure or the proper emphasis placed on education, getting a paycheck, renting an apartment, and raising a child is the American dream. Everyone has different goals based on what they are used to, what they know of the world, and what they want out of life. All that white girl wanted to do is work out, study, and make a lot of money. There's nothing wrong with that. I respect that. But don't look down your skinny ass white nose at my sistas for wanting something else. Most are doing the best they can with what they have. Moonsigns, raise your children the best you can, without going into specifics or pointing a stereotype-guided finger...Alright? That's all I'm going to say about that...Finally! By the way, after the conversation we had in '92, I left that peck at the pool in the hotel in Dulles, Va. I haven't seen her since. We stay in touch via email, but I've scratched that itch already so you don't have to worry about me going at you. |
Cynique
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Post Number: 1333
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Abm, if people had control over their skin color then the hostlility this issue generates would be different. But fate decides one's color. There's nothing I can do to change the situation so I've learned to live with it and others have no choice but to do the same. That's one of the cruel realities of life. |
Abm
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Post Number: 1267
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Cynique,
So then if you are a darker Black person you should simply accept things as they are without even speaking up about the unfair/bias treatment? |
Abm
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...And if you are a ligher Black person you should simply continue to enjoy the advantages that ensue from your 'preferred' skin tone irrespective of how others may be encumbered? |
Moonsigns
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Post Number: 218
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Abm,
My parents weren't into drugs, just peace They are some of the greatest people I know, and will ever know! |
Cynique
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That's not my decision to call, Abm. All I can do is to muster the integrity to judge others by who they are, not by what color they are. Folks have been trying since the beginning of time to overcome the "dislike-for-the-unlike" syndrome that afflicts human kind. But to no avail. I am not here to save the world. And for this I make no apology. Even Jesus Christ had a problem doing that. |
Moonsigns
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Post Number: 219
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Lambd,
Save the shyt about not being the type of man who is "weak" and can "overlook" certain things. If you have never trusted white people, like you just wrote, what were you doing f**kin' a "skinny ass white" nosed "peck"? That's what I'd like to know *lol* If a "beautiufl, kick ass body, Phd" and someone you can have "fun" with, piece-of-p*ssy is all it takes to make you compromise your fundamental values/beliefs regarding trust, I'd say your not as strong as you claim.
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Thumper
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Post Number: 259
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Hello All,
Oh, Lawd, are we back to that same ol' argument of who's an "authentic" black and who is not? *eyebrow raised* *yyyaaawwwwwnnnnn*
Well, how about this here: how about we let American black folks decide how we want to classify ourselves WITHOUT ANY input, interference, or shouting from the peanut gallery from the supposed "authentic" black folks. Actually, I don't see why any of the "authentic" black folks is over in our grille in the first place, talking out of both sides of they mouth: tearing us down--how we ain't this and how we ain't doing that; and then coming to us with a handful of give-me's and mouth full of much-oblige.
Hey here's a novel concept; instead of the "authentic" black folks being over here, flapping their gums at us, why don't they GO BACK to their homeland and work on solving their own problems over there AND NOT coming out until the problems are solved! That way the work that they hold so dear to their hearts are getting done (because if you want something done--you have to do it yourself) AND they are out of my damn face and not trying to tell me how I should feel about myself! |
Thumper
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Post Number: 260
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Hello All,
Moonsigns you wrote: "Lambd,
Save the shyt about not being the type of man who is "weak" and can "overlook" certain things. If you have never trusted white people, like you just wrote, what were you doing f**kin' a "skinny ass white" nosed "peck"? That's what I'd like to know *lol* If a "beautiufl, kick ass body, Phd" and someone you can have "fun" with, piece-of-p*ssy is all it takes to make you compromise your fundamental values/beliefs regarding trust, I'd say your not as strong as you claim."
If you want a black man to answer your question, why dont you ask your husband? *eyebrow raised*
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Moonsigns
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Username: Moonsigns
Post Number: 220
Registered: 07-2004
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Thumper,
Your question implies that all black men somehow think alike --and we both know that, that is not the case.
For this reason, I question your motivation in suggesting I ask my partner.
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Thumper
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Username: Thumper
Post Number: 261
Registered: 01-2004
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Moonsigns,
Sure, not all black men think alike, but not all black men have hit it with a white woman either and THAT's where Lambd, at one point in his life, and your partner have in common. So again, why you trying to front Lambd, like I say--why don't you ask your man about compromising values and all that other stuff? |
Moonsigns
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Username: Moonsigns
Post Number: 221
Registered: 07-2004
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Thumper,
To "hit" it with a white woman, and to marry, have children, and create a home/life/take care/provide for/with a white woman, are two, totally different things. That is nothing but common sense. Again, we both know this and I continue to question your motivation in suggesting I ask him.
While Lambd may indeed be a superman, pu**y seems to be his kryptonite --and he willingly shared his story. No one needed to "try" to "front" him. He did that just fine.
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A_womon
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Post Number: 749
Registered: 05-2004
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OH my Gawd!
Now this dumb azz broad gone try to instruct black people on matters of how to deal with the differences in skin tone and a black man's right to think what he wants about white women's arrogant attitudes and arrogant remarks that if you stick around long enough come out of ALL their mouths. As moonsigns continues to PROVE time and time again!
This chick THINKS she knows how to set Black folks straight on EVERYTHING!
Give it a rest, chick.
Lambd,
She never really admitted that her remarks were racist anyway, and she never will! Even when she "apologized" to you, she prefaced it with "I didn't know you were that angry" shifting the onus back on you! And don't be fooled by all of this "I got a black man at home so I didn't really want you anyway" BS her tongue is still down on her chest when it comes to you, and it is killing her that you AINT laughing and joking about her "moonpies" anymore. Although when she first hit the board, she was all up in the air about a black man writing a poem about a black woman's azz! HAH Plastic and transparent!
Back on that negative energy BULLSH*T A-gin. What type of energy does it take for her to keep vomiting her garbage and cluttering up the board? |
A_womon
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AND as far as this light-skinned dark-skinned thang that SOME are STILL stuck on. Yall ALL need to go watch School Daze and catch the message that was very WELL stated in that movie and then check ya alarm clocks and
WAKE UP!!!!! |
Cynique
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If you think the issue of skin color is no longer relevant in the black community, then you need to wake up. This problem hasn't gone away; it still exists and still causes hard feelings, and some movie made back in the 80s didn't change the situation. |
A_womon
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Whatever!! Cynique, maybe for YOUR generation that may be true. You aint the only light skinned sista on this board, just so you know!
And I said its the MESSAGE of the movie you need to tune in to. and maybe the reason your still struggling is cause you don't get it! NOW! |
Cynique
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And you ain't the only person who knows about what's happening with the younger generation on this board. I get my information first-hand and I know where of I speak. BTW, I ain't struggling with the color issue. It's other people. So, go tell them about the message. If you know what the message is, yourself. |
Carey
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I wish there was a better way. This girl continues to disrupt the board. Be it passive or active she should find it in her heart and mind the damage she has done to the community and walk away.
If everything she's been saying is true she should know it's time to depart. Gracefully turn and vanish.
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A_womon
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Oh I definitely know the message. Plain and simple:
It doesn't matter if we are light complexioned or dark, the struggle for racial equality in this country is ALL of our problems and until we surmount those issues that continually impact us and our children in all of its ugly forms we should make those issues the ones that bring us together and fight together, NOT quarrel over the effects that something that NONE of us can control, and chance happening of birth, and a difference in skin tone cause us to lose sight of the true battle.
That's the message I got from the old school 80's movie, perhaps cynique, you got a different one? |
Abm
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Cynique,
What's interesting is that although you and Miss_wysteria quarrel you seem in essence to be making similar arguments. That we all are restricted by these color-based strictures of which there is little liberation/reconciliation.
Is that true?
If so, then I shall refer you to the questions I previously asked Miss_wysteria in my "September 18, 2004 - 06:35 pm" post. Strangely, (the otherwise loquacious) Miss_wysteria has avoided attempting to answer those questions.
A_womon,
I hear you. But I am not sure if ignoring that there are divisions amongst us based on skin tone will help heal them.
Rather, I think what Spike was trying to say in "School Daze" was that, ridiculous though they may be, these problems are real and are damaging all of us. So let's stop ignoring them and starting talk about and fixing them.
Moonsigns,
You have a brave and stout spirit, my friend. Either that, or you're an chronic masochist. (Hehe!)
Miss_wysteria,
I agree with Moonsigns that hate ultimate consumes the hater.
Also, I think what is ironic about you feelings about your grandmother is had she NOT done what she did, the quality of you life would have likely been much more limited than it has been. I don't say that to justify/rationalize what she did to you. But I doubt that even you could wholly discount the bittersweet paradox of that.
Thumper,
Does WHERE Miss_wysteria was born make her arguments invalid? If so, then can one also argue that IL Democratic candidate for the US Senate Baraka Obama is less qualified to represent the interests of American Black people than his (spacey) GOP opponent Alan Keyes because, unlike Keyes, Baraka is NOT a scion of American slaves?
We Black Americans often complain about the biases of Whites yet often adopt similarly parochial views about others, even though said others have endured lives markedly identical to our own.
I think the fact that Miss_wysteria has lived both as an American and Native African Black person adds weight to her assertions (notwithstanding their often harsh/unrelenting style/tone), not detract from them. Because in many parts of the world, the effects of racism/colorism are even more corrosive/damaging than they are here. I myself have research there are women all over the continent of Africa and beyond who are poisoning themselves while trying to affect a more European visage of themselves.
Racism and colorism is not a uniquely American phenomena. Therefore the solutions to them might require input from people of all kinds.
Also, Lambd's a grown @$$ man. So why not let HIM answer Moonsigns questions? 'Sides. I should think that you who have yourself complained about brothahs canoodling with White women would be interested in his response.
Lambd,
I think I mentioned this before. But one of my girlfriends in college was a very ardent basher of White foks. She would wax on ad infinitium about their evils. But what does she do while in grad school: Meet and marry a (rich) White man.
You know, I should have known she was ‘putting-on’. Because I recall one of her elder sorority sisters who herself had married up with a White guy bringing her infant son to campus. My ex couldn’t stop lustfully blaring out how BEAUTIFUL the child was. Part of me knew then that SHE wanted one of dem light-brite, good hur babies too.
So as you rail on about how you can’t trust White foks, I can’t help recalling a trite-yet-true cliché: "There’s a thin line between love and hate."
All,
I think we often give lipservice to ‘hating’ and ‘distrusting’ White foks yet our actual action betray the opposite.
Who did you buy your house from? Or your car? Who designed/built your house/car? Who loan you the money for your house/car? Who gave you credit cards? Who awarded you a college degree? Who hired you? Who manages your pension fund? Who’s your doctor, dentist, attorney, bank, accountant, plumber, etc.?
I’ll bet White foks are on the other end of at least HALF those dealings.
Face it. We Black foks "trust" White people WAY MORE than we want to acknowledge. So we can do the ‘fight the power’ routine all we want to here. But how we all LIVE tell the TRUTH about what we REALLY think and feel about White people. Because if we didn't, we all would have enmassed emigrated to Africa or the Carribean a LONG time ago. |
Abm
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What an utterly loquacious nut I am.
HAHA! |
A_womon
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Oh give it a rest, ABM |
Abm
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A_womon,
Speak not yonder errant child if thou art ignorant! |
A_womon
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btw abm,
drug addicts buy thier dope from the local slangers, does that mean cuz he's the seller that he's trustworthy, or that he has the power? |
Cynique
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Well, a-womon, Spike Lee's messsage certainly wasn't anything new or profound. People have been saying what he tried to convey long before that movie came out. The problem is is that talk is cheap. People give lip-service to this noble idea but do not practice it in their everyday lives. So the problem remains. And since it remains the message ain't having an impact. So much for that subject. |
A_womon
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Not having impact in YOUR world cuz it has in mine! |
Abm
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Cynique,
I disagree.
All over the country many Black people who are adopting more holistic grooming techniques. The Afro, cornrolls, locks, and other natural hair grooming techniques enjoy growing in popularity in significant parts of the country.
I'm not saying Spike's film was at the forefront of this. But his work helped add to the dialog of us being more appreciative our own natural selves.
A_womon,
Your's is a most 'interesting' comparison. So in your analogy, we Black foks are wayward 'hypes' who are feignin' for a fix from...'dah man'? |
Lambd
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Moonsigns, as much as you want to believe that I trusted white folks at one time, it just aint true. Neva eva happen! Sorry to disappoint you. Just because I slipped a couple the old baloney pony a few times when I was a curious young man, don't mean I trusted 'em. It just mean I was young and stupid and bonin' what a young and stupid man could get away with bonin'. I wasn't bout to marry and have zebra stiped babies. I wasn't bout to give her my bank account passcard number. Hell, young and single, I've done alot things than knock off a couple white chicks. There were a few PR's, a Flip, oh! and one chick from cananda that was Ethiopian. I was runnin' a regular rainbow coalition. PUSH, PUSH in the bush! HEHEHEH! So, Pale Moonrider, I never trusted you PWT's, but I didn't mind bonin one once in awhile! Now what were you sayin' about compromisin'? Yeah! We had fun. Until I realized that there was a deep seated disrespect for my sistahs. Then I realized I had to let that shyt go. I never went back. I know you want black men to be lustin' after your kind forever. Aint gon' happen! Oh! I don't think you want to turn what I said into a personal thing. I told you I wouldn't ask for another apology and you tried to carry me. See you don't want to go there with me. I said I don't trust your white azz and that's what I meant. Now leave it alone. |
A_womon
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nope, in my analogy, just because the person you're buying from is holding all the cards, that does not mean that you trust them! |
Lambd
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Abm: I'm sure blacks buy from whites all the time because of the lack of choices, not because we trust them. When we get a better hold on the marketplace, some of these things will change. I think its more about survival, not trust. |
Abm
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We all are witnessing is one 'brand' Black female on one end (e.g., Halle and Beyonce) and another (India Arie and [the 'original'] Jill Scott) on the other. And depending on where you are and how you live, you are being made to consume heaping dose of either (or something in between).
Thus, I might agree with A_womon that her view of the prevailing visage of Black beauty might differ substantially from that of your Cynique. I think, though, the question to ask is which is the most dominant, prevailing image. |
Cynique
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Abm, the issue of skin-color is, by its complexity, something that everybody is eventually forced to handle in their own way. There is no magic formula to resolve the problem, and I am no oracle with all the answers to the "caste" system in the black community. As I previously alluded to, all I can do is what I've always chosen to do, and that is to like people for themselves, and not for the color of their skin. |
Miss_wysteria
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Attention THUMPER:
Being that I'm a BLACK WOMAN and an "AMERICAN CITIZEN" and a mother of BLACK AMERICAN CHILDREN...that means I'm responsible for what goes on in BLACK AMERICA and I have EVERY GODDAMNED RIGHT to shape it, comment on it, raise hell and be a part of it.
I'd like to see ANY GODDAMNED BLACK AMERICAN raise up to stop me.
And I'd especially like to see the brave (mf) that's going to raise up and send me back to Africa.
And by the way...I've raised over $75,000 for the Black Africans of Sudan in the last 4 months. Which is more than MOST PEOPLE ever give to their communities in a lifetime. I've gone to Israel and secured guns and ammunitions for the Black Rebel army in Sudan.
AND in my hometown, Washington, D.C....I've helped open a "finishing and ettiquette school" for poor, inner city BLACK girls.
And on top of that--since I have lived all over this world and have the reality and SCOPE of that knowledge--I will say whatever the hell I want to say about Black People ANYWHERE on this planet--because they are ALL my people, ALL coming from and belonging....TO ME.
And some of us...are more AUTHENTIC than others...and before my career is over, Black Americans are going to UNDERSTAND the facts about this bullshit their slave master taught them. Whether they WANT TO or NOT.
Even if I was killed tomorrow, THumper--my books and the message that I've carefully weaved for Black Children IN THIS COUNTRY would only grow and intrigue them and grow...and that's what a MOTHER does. She gives the children their HERITAGE. Not no nigger-be-good, Sweet Jesus, God Bless the Whites bullshit.
Whether you like it or not. I FULLY INTEND to impart MY WISDOM, MY KNOWLEDGE and MY WILL on.....this country.
And if...YOUR ancestors...hadn't called me here--I wouldn't be here.
God knows their own offspring have failed to honor them in DAILY LIVING and are breeding them and THEIR CULTURE off this planet faster than you can say "Aretha Franklin".
You don't like AFRICAN motherwit.
TOUGH FUCKING SHIT.
Because I came to stay.
And the more you BAN ME, CENSOR ME, "disallow" your own bloodberry....the stronger I get and the more others LOVE ME.
AMERICA IS MY HUSBAND NOW...and he is good to me.
And CYNIQUE, your post about dark skinned people just having to accept and live with their lot in life---only goes to prove what a toxic, weak, black-hating sorry YELLOW ROOSTER-FACED BITCH you really are.
And that's from a bonafide Black African bitch who lives right in here in YOUR COUNTRY....and ain't going NO GODDAMNED WHERE...and is going to talk about your PALE SORRY ASS until doomsday.
And thank you---all the dark skinned people who emailed me, PRAISING ME for having the courage to say what they've WANTED to say for so long.
Thank you, thank you.
It's good to know that THumper's "feelers" for his own public...is WAAAAY off.
Maybe he should get his ass out of Indianapolis sometimes and see the BLACK world and the RAGE that infuses it and realize that MILLIONS of Black Americans are tired of having no voice and no CHANGE.
Africa belongs to the BLACK AMERICANS...and I'm here to see that those alarm clocks go off.
WITH A BANG.
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Abm
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Lambd/A_womon,
Indeed.
But the REASON why we lack those choices is we "trust" White people more to do/provide for us than we do our ownselves. If we TRULY trusted ourselves more than we did them, we would invest in ourselves and each other in ways that would facilitate our NOT having to utterly rely upon them.
See. There are the things we 'think', there are the things we 'say'...and there are the things we 'DO'. Those are often very distinct/separate things. |
Miss_wysteria
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The Authentic Black Woman...is the mother of the Black Race and has the GENETIC POWER to reproduce and sustain the Black Human Beings that GOD put on this earth....FIRST, before any others....because they were in GOD'S IMAGE and are the NILOTIC and the NEGRO people.
Without the Authentic Black Woman...the black race will PERISH.
And that's exactly why the WHITE CAUCASOID and his "worldwide niggerstock" place the bastardized, WHITE-looking IMITATION BLACK WOMAN over top the Authentic Black Woman.
To make sure the BLACK MAN eventually doesn't get born.
Not all of us have her eyes closed...and not all of us are niggers.
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Abm
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Cynique,
Indeed there is no magic formula. And we likely will never witness within out lifetimes any material remedy of this problem. But at least if we acknowledge that what ails us is real and harmful, perhaps we can confer upon our progeny some of the wherewithal to succeed were we, alas, fail. |
Cynique
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You are guilty of pre-conceived notions, Abm. I have never given what I consider my standard of beauty, so don't say that my criteria differs from a-woman's! And the natural hair styles black women adopt and the beauty regimens they undergo have nothing to do with the color of one's skin. AA women of all shades make these choices. And I actually don't assess a woman's beauty until I get to know her. A great personality is the best beauty product in the world. So shut up. |
Abm
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Why is it whenever Miss_wysteria talks her "...Authentic Black Woman...is the mother of the Black Race" talk my loins start to get all warm and quivery inside? |
Abm
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Cynique,
I don't want to go to afield from the primary discussion. But to intelligibly converse, I think it be wise that we avoid trying to put TOO fine a point on things. Because we both know skin tone and hair texture are inextricably linked to the essence this discussion, which concerns whether/how to affect/assess one's 'Blackness'. The only real difference between hair and skin tone is it is much easier for one to effectively straighten one's hair than it is to bleach one skin.
Thus, I mentioned the rise in natural hair because that speaks to the primary notion of how Black people feel about how they look, which is central to the gist of this conversation. |
Cynique
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Jeeze, Abm. Who's not acknowledging that the color problem is not real??? Didn't I just say that to a-womon when she implied that her generation considered it no big deal?? Confering on our progeny the superficiality of color is a great idea but one that has to compete with the images the media portrays and extols. Here, take my handkerchief, you sound like you're about cry. |
Miss_wysteria
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ABM:
"Change" can only come from emotionally disturbed damaged people like myself--who were abused because of color, rejected by family because of color---HAVING THE GUTS TO DO...WHAT I DO.
In 1948, Cynique would have been one of those good niggers telling MARTIN LUTHER KING that..."well, this is just things are --you have to live with it."
She's a rotten, weak washed out typical house wench with A CLEVER TONGUE...but no courage or sense of direction for BLACK CHILDREN.
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Miss_wysteria
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AND MOONSIGNS:
You don't like the names I called Cynqiue. TOUGH SHIT!
And I don't give a damn who you like, white girl.
That bitch tried to justify my grandmother putting me up for adoption--several times over the years on this board.
Have ANY OF YOU watched your parents killed in front of you and then been put in the arms of total strangers by the only person you have left to TRUST....all in the same week???
HOW DARE YOU tell me how to feel and react.
I give myself credit for at least becoming a success a life and creating perspective out of my sorrow---having my say.
I could just as easily be cracked out feeling sorry for myself and giving blowjobs for $5 in Anacostia Park.
Cynique is the same evil snot-colored elitist trash that my grandmother is.
That's why she identifies with Najet Kolbookek.
Tell me, Moonsigns...How do you own a villa in Komb Ombo, a house in Cairo---with servants in both----and fail to raise your own granddaughter who's just seen her parents murdered?
How do you justify sending your olive colored Arab male grandchildren to college...but putting your black female grandchild up for adoption....never to be seen again?
Would I have faced molestation and other hard knocks in BRITISH FOSTER CARE if my grandmother had kept me with her and loved me?
Have you ever been a small child shuffled off to white strangers in LONDON and then just as abruptly carted off to AMERICA ------and can't even speak English!!???
How dare you come preaching to me!!
But I'll tell you one thing. That Egyptian bitch never thought in her wildest dreams....that little Black Naima would grow up and become FAMOUS.
Famous enough to turn a world spotlight on her racist ass.
And GOD have mercy on that bitch, because I won't stop until every citizen of Egypt KNOWS FULL WELL...that Najet Kolbookek has BLACK BLOOD in her "Turkish" veins. Crusty old SAND-nigger!
That's right. Cynqiue can call me neurotic all she wants. She's damned right. I'm going to drag my grandmother's name and face through the mudd of Cairo until not even the CAMELS will speak to her at market!
And she's right. I hate sand-niggers.
HATE THEM!!!
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A_womon
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I'm not implying.I'm stating: COLOR among AA's is not now the big deal that those older folks continually make it!! Period. |
A_womon
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BUT, that doesn't mean that I don't agree with a LOT of the things Miss WYST is stating about the subject.
SOME light skinned women bemoan their color but secretly LOVE that is makes them different, although they say they wish it didnt... |
Cynique
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Oh, God. She's back. Spewing all of her hot air. If wishes were horses, that ol nag would rule the world. Fortunately reality evetually prevails and assures a future where Miz-Wiz will just end up trotting away. (Guess I'd better shut up because she might again illustrate how out of touch she is with reality by thinking she can kick my ass. LOL) Bring it on, Biatch! |
Cynique
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Get real, Abm. Hair is not a factor here. You act like you ain't never seen a light woman with nappy hair. We're everywhere! |
Miss_wysteria
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A-WOMON says:
I'm not implying.I'm stating: COLOR among AA's is not now the big deal that those older folks continually make it!! Period.
I SAY:
#1--she lives in OHIO...and obviously has never been to California, Oregon, Washington, Georgia, Tennessee or watched 24 hours of BET.
I agree with Marita Golden's new book "Don't Play IN the Sun".
Now that the black community has "dispersed" and fallen apart since the Black Power and Civil Rights Movements....COLOR PREJUDICE is far worse than it ever was.
It has now spread to AFRICA...where black children ruin their kidneys and livers by ingesting "The Michael Jackson Pill" (Germans are making millions off this pill that supposedly lightens your skin).
Nigerian and Kenyan women routinely wear BLEACHING CREAM in the hopes of attracting a husband by the "promise" of lighter, Non-African skin. Black women of Africa have in just 10 years become the second biggest user of CHEMICAL HAIR RELAXERS...second ONLY to the Black American woman.
All of a sudden....NOBODY...wants to be black.
Orphanages (which I work with very closely) report that 4 out of 6 "lightskinned" black babies find formal adoptive parents....only 1/2 out of 6 (not 1, but 1/2 out of 6) "dark skinned" black babies are formally adopted, and almost ALL are male.
So what A_WOMON is talking about, I'm not sure.
Colorism is stronger than it EVER was.
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Cynique
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Post Number: 1343
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Calm down, Miz-Wiz. You know you love you some Cynique. Dat's why you invited her to your ol jive-assed book signing, an affair she wouldn't be caught dead attending. Although I would like to get a look at your size 13 feet. (or is it 14?) |
Miss_wysteria
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Post Number: 149
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Yeah, you can talk that mess, Cynique...but you know EXACTLY where my AMAZONIAN ass will be on Sept. 25th....CHICAGO....so gather up all the (mf's) you can, make yourself an army and come on down, grandmother.
Cause I'd looooove to knock those Horse's TEETH right out of your pissy-smelling Rooster-face!!
Credit card "borrowing" bitch!
And my hot air is better than the hot piss that YOU spout.
Make sure you EMPTY that bedpan before you start "fingering" around for Viggo's imaginary joystick...pork-chop chewing mildewy old battleax.
TROLLUP!
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Miss_wysteria
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Post Number: 150
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Oh, Cynique I wear a size 8.
You can ask LAMBD.
And my hands are about HALF the size of yours.
It's my TITS and ASS that are really big.
And of course...I've got the model's height that redbone billy goats like yourself always DREAMED of.
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Miss_wysteria
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Post Number: 151
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So go chew your praire KURD somewhere else, Cynique.
Because the one thing you'll never convince me of...is that I'm ugly.
That's your epileptic, mayonnaise-on-her-legs for lotion DAUGHTER you're thinking of.
Not me.
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Abm
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Post Number: 1278
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Miss_wysteria,
Sometimes I wish you would say what you want to say with a TAD more tact and subtlety. Mind you, caustic, profanity-laced castigations don’t bother me in the least bit. But I think people less capable than yourself can too easily use your harsh tone/delivery to encourage others to discount what is otherwise a superior position.
Honestly, sometimes I suspect what you do is a form of intellectual masochism whereby you intentionally taint the merits of what you say in an effort to either intentionally villify yourself or to allow your opponent some margin for a retort. |
A_womon
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Post Number: 759
Registered: 05-2004
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miss wys,
NO I am have not been around the world, and no I aint a member of the UN so I don't no about effects of race on ALL black people All over the world. HOWEVER. I DO know that fighting among ourselves AINT going to solve A DAMN THANG!! Now IS IT? |
Miss_wysteria
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Post Number: 152
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You're totally right A_WOmon.
I wish you were my daughter (I don't have one).
You have a lot of "natural" sense and you come off totally real.
Shame Cynique and Moonsigns don't just COME CORRECT.
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Miss_wysteria
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Post Number: 153
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That's true ABM.
I have this "thing" from childhood---where I don't want people to like me too much.
Just when they think they like me---I make sure they don't.
Because they can't hurt you if you don't let them get close.
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Miss_wysteria
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Post Number: 154
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OK.
For you ABM, I'll go away and stop getting upset now.
I always let Cynique get me off the porch, foaming at the mouth.
I could bash her face in sometimes!!!
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Cynique
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Post Number: 1344
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And, oh yeah, Miz Wiz, you know damned well that if your light-skinned grandma had taken you in, you'd have been gratefully kissing her feet, saying out loud I loooove light skin, instead of doing what you're doing now; ruminating about how you wish you had had light skin so she would've taken you in. That's why you had to write 10 books to convince yourself that you looove being black. But I ain't mad at you. It's understandable that you're dysfunctional. And that's why you can't understand that we are all the unwitting products of our circumstances, - including light-skinned African Americans. |
A_womon
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Post Number: 760
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Miss Wys
Thanks! I do like a lot of what you say and understand why you feel as you do. I feel your pain too, I really do... |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 1345
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You stay out of Abm. I can take anything Miz-Wiz can throw. I'm ready. Maybe that slut can give me some pointers on how to please Viggo since she spent so much time giving the clap to Osama Bi Ladin. Model, indeed. For what a Jolly Green Giant commercial?? And don't look for me at your generic outing in Chicago. I leave you and the lesbos to yourselves. |
Miss_wysteria
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Username: Miss_wysteria
Post Number: 155
Registered: 09-2004
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No...Cynique...I'm more like "Attack of the 50 Foot Woman".
Otherwise powerful, rich men like Osama Bin Laden and Hasan al Turabi (and a few others in America) wouldn't have felt the NEED to conquer this Amazonian mountain...although, I will give you....that I'm getting older and not nearly as vivacious and attractive as I was just 5 years ago--thanks to having kids, STRESS and activism.
And don't tell me you're claiming to be prejudiced against LESBIANS now??
CLOSE....THAT....MOUTH, liar!!
Cause if anybody licks catnip it's YOU.
And yes, Cynqique I was once a SLUT in my 20's.
I LOVED being a slut. Especially being "circumsized"---I got to get poked by a whole lot of men that I wanted to get poked by---and still could claim VIRGINITY (because of the vaginal libation) and men believed it, because it's so hard to penetrate me....I got all kinds of REWARDS and TRINKETS just for being that good, sweet, big-tittied VIRGIN girl.
But what I know about sexing men--can't be TAUGHT.
It's a kind of sweet evil that just comes over you when you're walking in the woods, catching lightning-bugs and looking at the moon with a man. The natural world takes over...and you both stop being human. You let God and Satan go at...and if you're a good woman, you let the man be all the brutal, furious wolf he wants to be.
Because men love laying down the law.
And some women just understand that, naturally.
It's not something you can teach like how to ride a bike.
It's something that men and women feel. When they're being natural and lawless.
It's an art and it's a religion.
And because of MEN, it just feels so good.
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Miss_wysteria
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Username: Miss_wysteria
Post Number: 156
Registered: 09-2004
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Oh yeah, Cynique...I hate being BLACK.
That's why I found the blackest man I could find to settle down with and have BLACK babies.
That's why I turned down the chance to audition for STORM in the 3rd "X-Men" movie---because I REFUSED to don a blond wig and be photographed that way for my sons to see.
It's so obvious.
I'm just the poster girl for black self-hatred.
YEAH...YOU WISH.
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Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 1346
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EOU! Isn't funny how females who look like drag queens always fancy themselves femmes fatales.? And tell me, Miz Wiz, could any of your lovers tell the difference between your face and your snatch? They both feature a garish slash that passes for a mouth.
(BTW, to all of you Daughters of Sappho out there rest assured that I am not homophobic. Whatever floats your boat. LOL)
Gotta go. Viggo's on the phone. |
Miss_wysteria
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Username: Miss_wysteria
Post Number: 157
Registered: 09-2004
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Actually, Cynique...all one has to do is put your picture next to mines...
...and we would see who looks like the Drag Queen.
AS WELL AS...which mouth is a garish slash (yours) and which one is full and supple.
OH AND BY THE WAY....we're unveiling a very special web page of PHOTOS from my recent tour on Oct. 1st.
I'll be sure and invite you by to see just what I do look like up close and person and RIGHT NOW.
And then EVERYONE can compare what I look like...to what you look like.
And of course you KNOW what my snatch looks like Cynique....you and your husband have BOTH eaten it so many times.
You little ground pecker, you.
Be sure and let Viggo know that I'll be a WITNESS for that "stalker" case he files after your psychotic PHONE calls.
Using your respirator and oxygen machines for deep breaths in his ear, are you?
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Cynique
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Post Number: 1347
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. How commendable. Why wouldn't you want kids that look like you? They'd have a complex if they didn't. Storm huh? What a coincidence, I auditioned for that part, too, but I refused to wear lifts in my boots, so I didn't get it. Puleeze. On my way to meet Viggo. Ta-ta. |
Miss_wysteria
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Username: Miss_wysteria
Post Number: 158
Registered: 09-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, September 20, 2004 - 03:35 pm: |
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On Oct. 1st....you're in for a treat.
Some of these photos are GOVERNMENT security photos of me being dressed in "bullet proof clothing" and flying into D.C. on the U.S. AirForce Helicopter. I had to petition special Clearance to show these pics!
Then there's fantastic shots of me giving a rather heartfelt SPEECH to the crowds at the SUDANESE EMBASSY where Danny Glover got arrested.
Some are photos of what I look like when I'm just being a MOM with my kids.
Many, many are photos of myself and my fans at the book signings....there's even one photo of the Arab Man from Brooklyn who came all the way down to propose Marriage to me.
OH CYNIQUE...you and my detractors are just going to be in such HEAVEN....when you see how drag-queenish I look.
Of course...we can't finish the Photo Gallery until I've done Chicago and Detroit.
But, it'll be a LOT of fun.
SO cut your nails, muzzle your mouth and ENJOY the pics, Cynique.
Roof!, roof!, OLD YELLER.
OH...and have your hubby stop sniffing around my crotch area, OK? Isn't it enough that you and him can report what my Snatch looks like?
You little "bottom feeders", you.
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Miss_wysteria
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Post Number: 159
Registered: 09-2004
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Well if you had a friend like Halle Berry, Cynique, and were tall and African like the character...then MAYBE you would have been "suggested" for the replacement role of the NEW STORM.
You're such a jealous cow milker. Butter breath and all.
And don't forget that I'm a WITNESS for Viggo when he files that "stalker" case against your ancient hallucinating ass.
Yes, ta-ta......ENDORA.
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Moonsigns
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Username: Moonsigns
Post Number: 222
Registered: 07-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, September 20, 2004 - 03:47 pm: |
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Lambd,
Although you are now a man of your word, you can't deny that your bullshyt, "fun", white gurl story contradicted everything you said you have always believed in (as far as never trusting white people).
Lambd, considering the average black person and average white person marry within their own race, your comment about black men "lustin'" after my "kind" is dumb as shyt. The average white woman doesn't want a black man and vice versa.
When it comes to me, I've said it before and I'll say it again, men are like buses --a new one comes every 20 minutes. Women in general give men way too much power. I don't need anyone to "lust" after me. Afterall, I'm the one with the pu**y and I just don't think that, I know that.
I don't care if you don't trust me. As you have nothing to prove to me, I have nothing to prove to you.
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Miss_wysteria
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Username: Miss_wysteria
Post Number: 160
Registered: 09-2004
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MOON...
I agree with your comments about me using LOVE rather than HATE to combat my grandmother's actions. You're totally right.
But I can't forgive her until I've had my revenge.
Which I demand.
I want EVERYONE in Egypt...to know that Najet Kolbookek is just a Falasha-blooded SAND-nigger passing for a Turkish Arab woman.
And that her direct BLOOD is none other than Egypt's most despised and feared daughter....Kola Boof.
I promised my parents when I left Cairo--that they're all gonna pay.
Whisper these words for me:
Anu Shaiba...kanu sijil...tima...TIMA!
Say it 3 times in a row, if you're really my friend.
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Miss_wysteria
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Post Number: 161
Registered: 09-2004
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You don't know my agony. You're a white woman with no fucking idea.
And I'm glad that I have this pain and rage. It drives me to achieve heights I never even imagined.
My people NEED me to be crazy.
That's what they need in order for the status quo to be CHANGED.
They need SOMEBODY...who's willing to die.
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Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 1348
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, September 20, 2004 - 04:21 pm: |
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What's with the "mines"? Don't you know that should be "mine", dummy? And I wouldn't go around the block, or even click on a link to see a picture of you, Miz-wiz. One look at that cabbage-patch mug is enough. Now, me and my lap-top are riding along with Viggo on our way to lunch and a quickie. He said to tell you that you're reaaaallly gullible. LMAO. |
Cynique
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Post Number: 1349
Registered: 01-2004
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You and your good friend Halle, huh? Well, Halle did admit to Oprah that she's a loser when it comes picking - companions. But I'm impressed anyhow. How about that? Miz-Wiz knows and undoubtedly sucks up to HALLE BERRY. BIG FRIGGIN DEAL. Not! |
Thumper
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Username: Thumper
Post Number: 262
Registered: 01-2004
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Hello All,
ABM: Lambd can answer for himself, true enough. But since Moonsign posted the question on a public forum, and since I'm one of the public, I felt the need to respond. Now, if she didn't want anyone but Lambd to respond to that post, then she should have sent him an email. Right or wrong? *eyebrow raised*
Second, as far as defending your "friend", no, I don't see any truth in anything your "friend" has to say on how "authentic" or not "authentic" we are. That's a question for us to decide, and not your "friend". Your "friend" can't sit in judgement of that. Humph, I would have your "friend" sit in judgement of a dog turd contest, never mind how AA measures up to the rest of the world's black folks.
Miss_wysteria: How come I get just tickled by your current handle? *LOL* It reminds me of that line said in a movie about men coming to house with diaherra and dysenatec. *giggling* Anywho, you can say what you want. I understand that you have an opinion, albeit a wrong one, but hey, you're entitled it. But you see, with all of that constant crap you're sprouting, it just seems to ME that your words would have more validity if you were over THERE in the Sudan than hiding out here, in the US, in DC. If mean, if you're all that you build yourself up to be, how are you fighting all of those injustices and stuff, sitting over here? *eyebrow raised* See what I'm saying. I'm sure there is some downtrodden woman over there that would appreciate you bringing her some water. How can you take it to her if you are over here, all up in my face, talking out of both sides of your mouth?
You wrote: "Whether you like it or not. I FULLY INTEND to impart MY WISDOM, MY KNOWLEDGE and MY WILL on.....this country."
Can you kinda wait to impart your wisdom, knowledge and will until spring. Cause then your wisdom, et al, would do me the most good when I spread in the dirt for my garden. I'll need that fertilizer then. Could you do that for me? You can! Gee thanks.
You wrote: "And if...YOUR ancestors...hadn't called me here--I wouldn't be here."
My ancestors didn't call you. They may have called you a name or two. See, ol' confused one, my ancestors live through me, as they should. Now, YOUR ancestors may be calling YOU and you ain't hearing the call because you're over HERE instead of being over THERE, at your home.
and then you wrote: "Even if I was killed tomorrow, (as if I could possibly be that lucky!) THumper--my books (the same ones that were burnt the hell up, but is living large and in charge in the US) and the message that I've carefully weaved for Black Children IN THIS COUNTRY would only grow and intrigue them and grow...and that's what a MOTHER does. She gives the children their HERITAGE. Not no nigger-be-good, Sweet Jesus, God Bless the Whites bullshit.
Now that last line shows me just how ignorant and out of touch you really are. Mocking our religion, are we? *eyebrow raised* Well, one thing my religion tells me of two things that seem to be written especially about YOU: one, to beware of false prophets; AND two beware of the little foxes who spoil the grapes for our grapes have tender vines. Did I get that right? If not, I'm sure you get my drift.
Oh and btw, I've seen pictures of both you and Cynique. I prefer Cynique.
Cynique: You took my drag queen line!!
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Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 1281
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, September 20, 2004 - 04:40 pm: |
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Fellas,
Do any of you fellas feel as I do, like you have accidentally stumbled into a woman's locker room after they've lost a championship volleyball match and the team stars are all angry snipping at each other?
See. This is why I never believe that girls are "Sugar and spice and everything nice" propaganda they used to try to feed to me while I was a kid.
Moonsigns says: "I don't need anyone to "lust" after me. Afterall, I'm the one with the pu**y and I just don't think that, I know that."
ABM says: Uh Oh, Lambd. I think she played the "Naa! I got the p@$$%" trump card on you. It may be kinda hard to top that. Hehe! |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 1351
Registered: 01-2004
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Thumper! I'm sorry I stole your drag queen line. I knew I'd heard it somewhere before. I didn't know you were reading all of this crap. LOL! You've seen a picture of me?? |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 1283
Registered: 04-2004
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Thumper,
I seemed you indirectly attempt to preclude Lambd for having to answering for himself. But if that were NOT your intention, then I apologize for intruding.
Of course we will likely forever disagree about the relative merits of "my friend". So I'll pretty much let that dog lie. |
Miss_wysteria
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Username: Miss_wysteria
Post Number: 162
Registered: 09-2004
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No, THUMPER..."Sweet Jesus" isn't YOUR/OUR religion. He wasn't WHITE---he was BLACK---and that's not even his damned name!
Whether you now embrace and love Christianity or not...
That's the religion of your slave master, forced on YOUR ancestors, and although I myself read the Holy Bible more than 5 times a week, because I consider it the greatest book ever written by MEN...I still realize that the Bible and the KORAN were both FORCED on black people through enslavement (and both books were used as WHIPS)....and obviously YOUR ANCESTORS don't do much talking to you.
That would explain why your own Southern culture is SOOOOOOO West African, but you claim to be some SEPARATE incarnation, belonging to the White People's God.
Maybe you only count your slave ancestors or the ones born AFTER 1802???? Is that it?
Because that's not ALL your ancestors. And I can damn sure promise you that YOUR ancestors, who are MINES, too, have called me here---it's SO obvious.
YOUR ancestors...would LOOOOOOVE me so much. So don't be jealous and don't DELUDE yourself.
Another thing...if I could go to Sudan and not be instantly killed, I would go in a heartbeat.
If Danny Glover, Francis Bok or Joe Madison could go over there right now--they would also go. But no darling...we have to fight the battle from HERE. It's not realistically feasible for anyone against Sudan's Arab government (and especially me) to go walking up in there. It would mean INSTANT death.
And since I'm an American Black Woman...raised by BLACK AMERICAN parents...I belong fighting for the rights of blacks in BOTH countries...and will continue to do so, right here in AMERICA, which is my own HOMELAND.
And as someone pointed out to me in an email:
"Isn't it ironic that Thumper loves the characters in Mary Monroe novels but can't stand KB?? What's up with that? Don't be mad, Kola, but I used to think you were a creation of Mary Monroe!"
I really couldn't answer it for them.
But of course you prefer Cynique's looks to mines--I'm sure you two have that overbite in common. And probably the bifocals.
While I...as my fans claim...have the stature of a Goddess.
BTW, Thumper, there is 1 African Goddess and 1 Indian Goddess in YOUR ancestors's folklore..who are BOTH genetically male and female.
They were set to the sea through apothesis, but rose again to be called by the GREEKS, Hermaphrodites.
I always admired that...and only WISH I could experience having that little "johnson" of yours between my own legs...as MINES.
OH...the fantasy of being a man.
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Miss_wysteria
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Post Number: 163
Registered: 09-2004
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And as someone pointed out to me in an email:
"Isn't it ironic that Thumper loves the characters in Mary Monroe novels but can't stand KB?? What's up with that? Don't be mad, Kola, but I used to think you were a creation of Mary Monroe!"
I really couldn't answer it for them. |
Miss_wysteria
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Username: Miss_wysteria
Post Number: 164
Registered: 09-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, September 20, 2004 - 05:19 pm: |
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Cynique...why don't you get back to licking my SNATCH (which you finally admitted to)....OLD YELLER.
If you're REAL good...we'll Thumper watch that, too.
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Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 1284
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, September 20, 2004 - 05:20 pm: |
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Okay (like I qualify to be the moral majority around here, right?) I think the conversation may have regressed too deeply into how ugly someone else (allegedly) looks.
Perhaps it is time for everyone take a momentary 'time-out' on some of that. |
Miss_wysteria
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Username: Miss_wysteria
Post Number: 165
Registered: 09-2004
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You demonic little TWAT twins.
OOOOUUUUUHHHHHHH
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Miss_wysteria
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Username: Miss_wysteria
Post Number: 166
Registered: 09-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, September 20, 2004 - 05:24 pm: |
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ALL:
"wysteria" is a Purple flower that uses moonlight (not sunlight) to deepen its color from pink to lavender to purple.
they used the "wysteria" flower in the film---THE COLOR PURPLE.
Wysteria is my FAVORITE flower and because I had told ABM that 2 years ago, the NAME was a "hint" to him.
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Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 1285
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However, the "...licking my $N*T&H..." part you can, of course, continue.
RUFF! RUFF! RUFF! |
Miss_wysteria
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Now ABM, while Cynique the 'freak is doing that...what should "I" be doing with "MY" pretty little ol' mouth?
Huh?
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Abm
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Miss_wysteria,
PULEASE don't get me started! Cuz Troy might haftah close this motha down if I do.
HEHE!
You and Cynique (and even ol' Moonsigns has for a lil' bit) been some VERY naughty girls. |
Cynique
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Why on earth would me or anyone else in their right mind what to lick your cruddy, foul-smelling, diseased twat, Miz Wiz? Why don't you get one of your sons to do it so you can keep herpes in the family? |
Abm
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WOW!
You gals are going scrait 'ghetto' up in hur!
Carey! Carey! CAREY!
Aren't you out there...SOMEWHERE? Can't a savvy ol' rooster like you stop deeze chickens from all dur cluckin'? |
Miss_wysteria
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Post Number: 168
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Yeah, ABM.
We all better cut it out, because YOU KNOW Thumper has his high schoolers drop by during the day...and they might accidentally read his message board while he's nailing...some new paneling...on the kitchen wall.
God knows we're tamer than BET or MTV, but...we have to be mindful of the high schoolers.
God knows I've never been propositioned or had my ass pinched at the supermarket by a smug High School boy--especially the tall basketball playing ones of 16 and 17!!
And oh no...NONE....of my 35-ish yr. old church-going girlfriends are getting tapped regularly by HIGH SCHOOL BOYS.
NOPE, nope. Not happen'n.
Those are just...Uh, college boys...that LOOOK 16 and 17 sneaking out of their back patios at lunch time.
I've even got one aquaintence (cute married white lady) who goes: "That's my daughter's classmate. He needed to borrow my calculator. Ouh--don't step on the condom, let me get that..."
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Cynique
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ROTFLOL. I quit. I really do. I can't stoop any lower. It's all yours Miz Wiz. Uh-huh, oh yeah, OK. Right back atcha! Wheeeeeee. |
Miss_wysteria
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Post Number: 169
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BUT Cynique...that's not what you said 10 minutes ago.
Here's what YOU said:
And tell me, Miz Wiz, could any of your lovers tell the difference between your face and your snatch? They both feature a garish slash that passes for a mouth.
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NOW tell us Cynique la Freak, how would you know what my SNATCH looked like if you weren't eating it from time to time---and especially---why did you compare it to that garish SLASH of a white woman's mouth that YOU have, not me.
You're just a one-trick-pony, Cynique.
Your taste....is ALL....in your mouth.
You WISH I had canker sores on my mouth like YOU DO.
Ooops. That's supposed to be a mole over your lip, right?
You little drunk looking wrinkled up DOUCHE bag!
You can't even --PASS-- for a drag queen, truth be told.
And don't front like PLENNY of people on this board haven't seen YOUR picture.
You look like a Cow that's been eating homemade apple sauce and quick oats for 60 y-EEAHS.
And just think folks---she printed the BEST PICTURE she had.
You're a bitch, Cynique.
But it'll take a better bitch than you to cramp old Bola's style.
The only disease I've ever had...was sickle cell trait. And I'd wager any amount of money that SOMEONE in your family has that, too.
So on behalf of my handsome, chocolate sons---"Bite me".
And stop poking yourself with your witch's broom, Cynique. That broom handle will NEVER give you what your husband....USED....to give you---and fantasizing about Viggo while you catch a bus to BINGO isn't worth all the splinters you're getting in your ass.
Gay boy divas named after DISNEY cartoons...is about ALL you can get.
Miz Raggamuffin.
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Miss_wysteria
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Gay boys named after DISNEY cartoons...is about ALL you can get.
Miz Raggamuffin.
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Moonsigns
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Abm,
Moonsigns hasn't been naughty at all. |
Miss_wysteria
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Well, alas...I am tired of wasting my time on Cynique la Freak.
And I have such a busy week coming up. I can't possibly sit at the PC belching up apple seeds and Geritol-tablets all day.
I give in Cynique. I will LET you win this one.
But just remember, OLD YELLER....that I've got some buckshot for your drool'n ass.
And I'm so sorry that your hubby is putting his rod OTHER places these days...and driving YOU, the lonely housewife to such states of hallucination over some funky, unkempt white man who prefers.....CONCH that can grip his d**k---like mines-----over that stale, oatmeal hanging glop you try to PASS for fresh p***y.
Get those purple stains off your yellow thighs! That vericose-veins look is NOT CUTE when it's leading up to the grand old dug-out.
I get Thomas's big black stick every night (although it's a chore)and YOU GET NOTHING...nothing but trumpet sounds from Bernard's butt-crack while he's snoring the roof off the place----he sleeps with his back to you, doesn't he?
Oh, I forgot...you got your batteries. When you feel like doing yourself.
Poor, poor bitch.
Ta-ta.
I'm done with this thread.
I give in ENDORA. I will LET you win this one.
To go with that "little drink" you're going to have later.
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Thumper
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Post Number: 263
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Hello All,
*LMAO* Hysteria, listen, what all I know, or should I say DON'T KNOW about you, it's not new that I don't trust or believe a single solitary word that comes from your mouth. Quiet as its kept, and it has been kept awfully quiet for you never got wind of it, I've done all kinds of research on you. Frankly, I use to be more intrigued on what I DON'T KNOW, than what I do know. Now, I'm bored by the antics and stuff. That supposed "email" that was sent to you concerning comparing you to a Mary Monroe character is laughable. I bet it came from another yahoo.com email account huh? *giggling* Yeah, right. And all that name dropping? You really should cut that out. I talked to several of your celebrity "friends", funny how they don't have the same opinion of you all's "friendship" that you do. I ain't exactly without contacts myself, dear. But you keep your charade rollin right along. I thought it only fair to tell you that I know the lay of the land. I know where you stand and where I KNOW I stand. So all that name dropping and email receiving, etc, just don't impress or move me. Sorry. You can play some of these other people as Boo Boo the damn fool, don't ever make that mistake with me. I ain't the one. Also, you can keep all that Mother Africa stuff to yourself, or your imagination, which ever one gets you through the night. I really don't care.
I'm taking a page out of Cynique's book and get to getting while the getting is good...and funny! *LOL* I'm outta here with a laughter on my lips and a song in my heart.
Cynique: That's Ok about you using the drag queen line, since I was the first one to use transsexual and transvestite. I did have a good laugh though. *LOL*
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Thumper
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Post Number: 264
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*LMAO* Hysteria you wrote: "Gay boy divas named after DISNEY cartoons...is about ALL you can get."
*LMAO* Since I'm gay *LMAO* and I'm sexually attracted to men, please explain why am I not attracted to YOU stud? *eyebrow raised* *LOL* Don't worry, I'm outty for real now. *LOL* I needed that laugh.
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Moonsigns
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Thumper,
You stating you are gay was quite unexpected, at least by me. Interesting. |
Carey
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Thump
That ain't nothing, I've known that all the time. I kinda wished you didn't "out" that. But like I said, it ain't nothing to write about but you know how some fools are they think the world should be just like them, all the time. Dang man, hit me on the e-mail.
darn1719@mchsi.com |
Thumper
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And you missing the sarcasm in that post tells me even more about you Moonsigns(?)! I will give you a little credit, you were able to hold on to this persona longer than the other ones. |
Moonsigns
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Yeah. Right. |
Rashena
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Oh, my! I can't keep up with you guys! |
Lambd
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Moonsigns, I hope you are pretending to be this naive: "you can't deny that your bullshyt, "fun", white gurl story contradicted everything you said you have always believed in (as far as never trusting white people"
Do you live in world where folks don't bone just to bone? Where are you? Plenty of people do it because they can and they like it. It has nothing to do with trust.
Abm: I honestly try to buy "black" when I can. I have gone out of my way to deal with blacks in the marketplace, but its almost impossible in this country at this time. Do you buy from and deal with Blacks 100% of the time? If you do, my hat is off to you and your community. Where I live, you may deal with Blacks but most of the owners are either white or foreignors.
Besides, why do I have to trust someone I buy a car or house from? I only have to trust the mechanic or the inspector, right? This notion that you and Moonsigns have about trust is beyond me. Moonsigns thinks you have to trust everyone you date and you think you have to trust who you buy from? In a perfect world, maybe. Not on this planet. You and Moonie got something going? Or do you just have something against me? It seems that you jump in whenever I have something to say to Moonsigns. I don't want that chick, man. |
Lambd
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Post Number: 540
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Moonie: I asked you to leave it alone. We were alright. You bout to either drive me away or drive me straight to that azz. |
A_womon
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and if you let that weak ass sh*t drive you away, then you got more problems than abm when it comes to white GIRL bullsh*t. That's just plain STUPID!!! |
Abm
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Lambd,
First, I suppose it depends on how one defines the word "trust". But it seems to me if you are electing to be routinely serviced by White doctors, attorneys, accountants and, yes, even auto mechanics, SOME kinda "trust" has to occur.
Of course I don’t exclusively buy Black, for mostly the reasons you cite. But my point is not so much that as it is that the people we "trust" the very LEAST are not White people, it is our ownselves. And that reflects in what we expect of each other and, thus, whether/how we endeavor to help each other to succeed.
Who does our nails? Koreans. Who do we locally buy groceries from? Arabs. And who do we buy virtually EVERYTHING ELSE from? Whites. Why can’t we Black do our own nails, produce/sell our own groceries, etc. et al. Why? Because that would require us to "trust" each other enuff to work together for both individual/collective best interests. No. We instead en"trust" OTHERS provide our basic needs.
And here is a special peeve of mine: Why is there no equivalent of a stock market that primarily features AA businesses? It is clear that the stock market system has been central to the success/growth of countless businesses (which REALLY run this country/world). So why don’t we have such an apparatus? I’ll tell you ‘why’. Because Black foks just don’t "trust" each other enough to produce/share the kind of information about their dealings that is necessary for such a system to succeed.
But I don’t intend this to be solely for your consumption, Lambd. This lack of "trust" is not just a personal/individual issue. It is collective. THAT is why we lag behind others. To refer specifically to what you say, because we don’t trust each other we CAN NOT produce enuff sufficient numbers of bankers, doctors, entrepreneurs, etc. to suit our needs. We exclaim we don’t trust White people (and other non-AA) yet our treatment of each other and of them belies that.
And I find it interesting how it seems you/others presume I should side against Moonsigns primarily because she’s White. Because, frankly, I grimace at the prospects of operating under such myopic thinking. Moreover, I think the ‘advent’ of Moonsigns continually exposes a profoundly flawed element of the thinking of many Black people.
Moonsigns not to be believed/"trusted" because she’s White. Likewise for Miss_wysteria because she’s native African (and a lil’ crazy...hehe!). Such parochial thinking stunts our own development/success. I don’t defend them. Rather, I desire allowing opening minds to be brought to bear that we might ALL grow. So, yes, I suppose I am in sense a bit of an intellectual ‘Pollyanna’.
@ What if the African American Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. had maintained similar restrictions? Then I suppose he would have ignored the Indian Mahatma Ghandi’s sage and effective prescriptions of non-violent protest.
@ What if Thurgood Marshall had opted out of what would become sterling a legal career because the US Constitution and virtually all the ensuing laws we drafted by bigoted White men? Would we enjoy the abounding benefits his triumphants court cases have helped wrought?
@ What if Harriet Tubman had discounted Christianity primarily because it was initially taught to our people by Whites? Would she still have found that divine inspiration to lead scores of slaves to liberty and help champion emancipation for us all?
It should be clear to anyone who’s read my myriad (Good Morning Cynique. <wink!>) posts that I have differed with Moonsigns and Miss_wysteria over MANY things. But I WON’T discount what they say simply on the basis of our having (recently) disparate ancestry. We ALL loose from adopting such thinking. |
Abm
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Post Number: 1291
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Miss_wysteria,
There’s A LOT of strapping young bucks benefiting from an upswing of April-August booty action going on, especially in YOUR nape-of-the-neck. A woman my wife knows (a Carmel, CA resident) was dumped by her husband (member of a world renown pop/R&B group) because dude had a PI video/audio tape her ‘getting it done any ‘whichaway’’’ with their neighbor’s teenage son.
Chick was even dumb enuff to let her young 'gunslinger' drive her hubby's Ferrari around town while he was away touring. I think that THAT more than anything else was the straw that broke the cliched Camel's back ("You can let some young fool screw you all you want. But I CAN'T BELIEVE you let him drive my RIDE? &I+C#! You've gotta GO!"). And her fellow 40-something best friend was also involved in such a ‘relationship’.
Isn’t it interesting how when the junior partner is male in these relationships, we rarely cry sexual coercion/abuse? |
Cynique
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This board is experiencing what I'm tempted to label the "Moonie Phenomenon." It's like when a handful of Arabs comandeered 3 planes, ran into some buildings and America went into a total tailspin, thoroughly unnerved by a a vague faceless threat known as "The Terrorists." Moonsigns entered the domain of Thumper's Corner and all she has to do is post a thought and everbody goes bonkers, immediately ignited by this faceless voice from nowhere. Just goes to show that it doesn't take a lot to get a reaction from many. |
Cynique
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Post Number: 1357
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"Buying black" has a built-in inhibitor, Abm. People shop their pocketbooks and they go where the bargains are. Black entrepreneurs, unfortunately, have so much overhead that their prices are not competitive, and it's hard for them to stay afloat in the marketplace. Businessmen also have to have more than ambition, they have to have that merchant mentality, which is second nature to Jews and Arabs and Koreans, who know how to parlay their capital and manipulate their cliental. |
Abm
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Cynique,
You draw an interesting (if not appropriate) comparison. But I agree we are often to prone to invest such fearsome almost ‘supernatural’ power in that which is foreign to and different from ourselves that we lose the capacity to think/see straight.
Simply: Why must we so often hate, castigate and dread that and whom with which we don't know, comprehend and agree?
And don’t get me started on the war.
We are spending billions of dollars, requiring 20-year-old unskilled soldiers to be killed and witnessing hapless contractors being beheaded to execute dubious wars ALL because of that "handful of Arabs" (who changed EVERYTHING largely on the strength of the wicked wielding of box cutters). all of this has occurred in spite of the fact that NO ONE has ever been formally blamed and held accountable for what has caused this monumental shift in our world’s history/direction. And the people who stand the MOST to gain from the wars are being allowed to sacrifice the LEAST.
Even the late/great sci-fi TV writer/director Rod Sterling could not have concocted a series of scenarios as cruelly bizarre and ironic as we are all now enduring. |
Abm
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Post Number: 1295
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Cynique,
What you say is true. But if it is to EVER be our intent to grow as a people, we may have to make some personal sacrifices for a greater common good.
Also, Jews, Koreans and Arabs are no more genetically predisposed to possessing a "merchant mentality" than are Blacks. They are simply more/better practiced at that than many of us. Frankly, we can learn A LOT from them. And that is part of the reason why I repeatedly rebutted here any notion of limiting what we should/shouldn't attempt to do simply/primarily based on from whom those sound concepts/and mechanisms have been engendered.
Because truth be told (A_womon); your Hip-Hop heroes like Russell Simmons, Dr. Dre, P. Diddy and Kaye West have largely learned ‘dah game’ from Whites and Jews.
And we already have a history of being fine shop owners, craftsmens and professionals. We have even once owned/operated a stock market. We simply need to go “back to the future”. |
Lambd
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Abm: I didn't say you side with Moonsigns on every issue. It seems that you especially jump in when I have something to say to her. For or against. Its like you have a vested interest in preventing any type on interaction between us. Again, I don't want her if that's what you think.
Cynique: This whole site should be bonkers if we let her continue to disrupt it the way she has. Maybe Wysteria and Awoman have a point about the two of you finding reasons to stick up for her. It seems Moonsigns has found two die-hard friends for life. You two seem to have her back no matter what. Abm may not agree with everything she says but hes going to make damn sure she gets the opportunity to say it. Bravo, Abm and Cynique. Your cause is obviously worth championing. As far Dr. King, Harriet Tubman and the like, how do we know Dr. King would not have had the nonviolent idea on his own? How do we know that the tragedies brought on by slavery weren't Ms. Tubman's inspiration? I'm sure Thurgood Marshall or someone of color like him would have been a Supreme Court justice years before if things were different. Well, things aren't different. Things are the way they are. I'm not about to drop to my knees and thank my lucky stars for white folks for allowing these people to do what they have done despite those pale bastards. Again, its not about trust, Abm. I agree with what you are saying. In a perfect world, all of these things would be possible. Look around, it just hasn't happened...yet. Black stock market and all. We have to strive for these things, Abm, but we have to survive first and do the best we can with what we have. If everyone continues to buy black and deal with black businesses as much as we can, it'll come. |
Cynique
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Post Number: 1359
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Well, at the local level, in the area where I live, the Arabs and Koreans have cornered the grocery, clothing, and beauty supply businesses, and the Indians have a lock on the 711s and convenience stores. The Mexicans are taking over all of those entry level jobs at the fast food places, and the black people have record shops and barbeque joints which are always running out of side orders. So, we do need to go back to the future. And we also need to learn to to steal big. All of those white corporate crooks steal millions and get away with it. |
Cynique
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I have never stuck up for Moonsigns or had her back, Lambd. I did remark that bigotry knows no color, and I further said what I had to say about the subject and let it go. I told her that when it came to healing the wounds of racism, that she could not be the doctor, that she had to be the patient. I also told her right from the beginning that she was naive and that for her to sympathize with blacks was patronizing, and for her to empathize with blacks was presumptuous. I didn't feel the need to write 500-page essays in reponse to her inocuous posts. I left that to the rest of you who let her get under your skins. And if you think my last post was in praise of her, think again. It was simply an observation which you chose to interpret in your own way |
Abm
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Post Number: 1297
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Lambd,
Playah! If you TRULY think I harbor some jealous intent to preclude some passionate embrace between you and Moonsigns, my only appropriate rebut might be that you attempt to wield some of your fantasies into penning romance novels. Because it would appear you have ample fodder for such.
I have posted responses to you in part because your conversations with her often asserts a perspective that I find troubling, not so much because of what alleged affect it might have on Moonsigns, but rather whether it has more profoundly detrimental affects on us. In short, I think where I might distinguish myself from you and others is I do not allow my ego to limit where/how I might learn. But I pretty much covered all I can reasonably say on this subject in my "12:04 pm" post to you. So if THAT is still inadequate, then perhaps I must accept that we likely are on this subject destined to always disagree.
Still, Dr. King has credited his studies of the efforts of Ghandi with helping to fashion his views on non-violent struggle. There certainly is no shame in his doing that. And it is probable that Ghandi himself was inspired by another. Because the Bible’s "Book of Ecclesiastes" says "There is nothing ‘new’ under the Sun."
Cynique,
Mos def on the stealing big. Of course one must first get within the grasp of something ‘big’ before one can ‘steal’ it. |
A_womon
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Post Number: 762
Registered: 05-2004
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Ghandi wan't white nohow! AND it did appear, abm, that at times you were seeing green in the SNOW. especially last week. So check yaself playah. Just re read some of ya stuff from last week. |
Abm
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Post Number: 1300
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A_womon,
Ghandi was not BLACK either. Yes. He was a little 'dark'...but not BLACK. But, again, that response suggests you either can't or won't consider the gist of my point. Thus, oh well...'
And the only thing I recall saying that even remotely suggested jealousy on my part was I JOKINGLY told Miss_wysteria that her Lambd adoration were working. But since my "seeing green in the SNOW" was so apparent to you, if you don't mind, I'll ask you to point them out to me. |
Abm
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...Though I must admit that "seeing green in the SNOW" line is hilarious. It reminds of something Lambd would write...when he's trying to be funny!
Haha! |
Moonsigns
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Post Number: 226
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Lambd,
Your story tells so much about who you are, rather than the women you slept with, and were willing to sleep with (all for "fun" at that).
If you mistrusted whites so freakin' much you you would have never been stickin', rubbin' and dippin' your piece in the enemy and calling it "fun", sorry. That is moronic and sick! Also, saying you've already "scracthed that itch" is a riot! Read back a bit. I know when I came on this site you were the first one saying (paraphrasing) that you didn't have a problem with me being white as long as that "azz" was "righteous" --and you're a changed man?! If you have the mentality that bonin' has nothing to do with trust, I ask where you live? No race of men has a monopoly on this type of garbage --"bonin' just for fun". Nevertheless, is sickens me how far men will go to get their "man".
The reason I don't need to ask my husband is because he has balls. He wouldn't dare be bonin' some chick if he didn't trust her. Not saying he may not have been tempted by the thought of pu**y, but he thinks long term, and has always been that kind of man. He would think about his seed before his pleasure. He has integrity and walks his talk --he doesn't bullshyt and call that mess "fun". Now, that's a strong man --a man a woman can respect.
btw, even if a black man (respectfully) tells me he would never be with a white woman (I have had this happen) I respect him that he is a man of his word. I honor people who have intergrity and hold to their views, especially in areas where their "seed" is concerned.
What do you mean we are "alright"? Oh, we are "alright" because you can write all the dergatory comments you want about whites and when I make one comment that you find offensive, you loose your mind. Please, you have had the nerve to call me racist when you are as prejudiced and foul as the white people you say you despise. If not, you woulnd't use such dergatory language when you talk about whites and then expect some white girl to kiss your azz when she makes one comment that you don't like --even though I'm not anywhere as prejudiced as you. Hypocrite.
About you not wanting me --the feeling is nothing but mutual. I dislike, with a strong, strong passion, men whose weak mentalities cause them to compromise their core values. They are spineless --nothing more, nothing less.
Drive away --you're right --you don't want any of this azz!
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Abm
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 21, 2004 - 04:22 pm: |
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Hmmmm! This looks like it may get good.
But, okay (haters). I'll stay out of this Lambd vs. Moonsigns scrap if YOU do so as well.
Go on. I double-dare you to try to keep away! Hehe! |
Moonsigns
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Post Number: 227
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Abm,
You think a lot like my partner regarding blacks and business ownership. He has a very strong business mind, much of what has been self-taught, and is very successful because of his ambition and will. It is a lot of work, but it can be done.
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A_womon
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Dear Lambd
About you not wanting me --the feeling is nothing but mutual. I dislike, with a strong, strong passion, men whose weak mentalities cause them to compromise their core values. They are spineless --nothing more, nothing less.
Please allow me to translate:
If I keep tossin all of this bullsh*t at you, you will keep givin me the attention that I so DESPERATELY NEED from you. so please answer my post back, even if its negative, I can STILL fanatasize that you want my white azz. Why else would I still be posting things directed toward you after all of those NASTY RACist things you said to me. I want you so baaaaaaaaaad. I don't care what you say to me so long as you keep talking!
HAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHA! What an idiot!!!
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A_womon
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Oh yeah Lambd,
I guess she can take NEGATive ENERGY so long as its coming from a fine young strong and oh so handsome BLACK MAN! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! |
Abm
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Moonsigns,
Uh Oh! You'd bettah be careful and watch whatchu say!
Because if you start talking too much about "ambition and will" and what requires "...a lot of work", Black foks might think you trynah call'em lazy.
I wonder though if A_womon is making a point in her last post. |
Carey
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I Like Cheese!!! |
Moonsigns
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Post Number: 228
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Abm,
From your above comment, I'd say one is dam*ed if they do, and dam*ed if they don't. However, I still agree with your views (regarding this topic).
btw, I don't read A_womons post's, as well a few other posters. For that reason, I can't comment on any post/reply she/they make.
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A_womon
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HAHAHAHAHAHa! BULLSH*T! Oh yeah she doesn't read my posts, she just steals from them!!!hahahahahaha! If nothing else she certainly is ENTERTAINING! and QUITE a LIAR! |
A_womon
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AND she continues to prove my point!!! reading my posts or not! HAH! |
Abm
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Moonsigns,
I'm just saying at a certain point, you're beginning to sound like the "The lady that doth protest too much".
But I do agree with your comments that to a reasonable observer, you might come off as being less prejudice as those of us who criticize you. Though, when Black foks do it, it aint' racism...it's righteous indignation ("potAYto, potAHto").
Carey,
I found some stuff in the back of my frig that survive the prior cleaning. I'm not quite sure of what brand/type of cheese (or, hell, even if it IS cheese to begin with) it is as it has now garnered an eclectic assortment of colors. But you sure are welcomed to it.
But if the Board of Health comes after me later, I'll swear you and I have never met. |
A_womon
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But I do agree with your comments that to a reasonable observer, you might come off as being less prejudice as those of us who criticize you. Though, when Black foks do it, it aint' racism...it's righteous indignation ("potAYto, potAHto").
abM,
here is a REALLY good example of what Lambd is speaking about. Now think about it...did you REALLY need to cosign that shit? |
Moonsigns
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Abm,
"Righteous indignation", really? I will never condone how SOME whites treat SOME non-whites, but I'm also not of the mindset that two wrongs make a right.
Calling white people derogatory names is no better --no matter how justified the anger is. All I'm saying is that, that stuff never solves anything, just makes matters worse. Weren't you the one saying some posts back that (paraphrasing) I was a "clever gal" because I was throwing some of "Abm's rhetoric on'em", when describing how hate is counterproductive?
I just don't think there is any way to justify that. Abm, there are plenty, plenty of blacks that are racist and mean what they say.
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A_womon
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and there are plenty of people who just hate a dumb azz white girl who aint got sense enough to keep her big fakes azz mouth OUT of things she is too damn dumb to understand! |
Abm
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Post Number: 1309
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Moonsigns,
Sometimes the most painful thing one will ever experience is...the truth.
A_womon,
I am Black. Still, I will maintain my GOD-given right to think and speak as I choose. I hope that you do so as well. |
Lambd
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Post Number: 542
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Moonsigns: When I said we were alright, I meant that we did not have to continue on this subject that you don't want to leave alone. I told you that I would leave you alone about the apology, but you keep trying my hand. Yes, you are right. I don't want any. And, I am afraid, your husband has your whole brain if you what you type is honesty. Whether or not he will sleep with another woman doesn't matter. What matters is that he has you believing that he will only "think on the long term". But that's cool, I guess, as long as YOU respect him.
Cynique: My mistake. I thought I had taken your name out of that post when I proofed it. I guess I skipped a step. My bad. Lord knows, I don't need no more enemies. Let's see, how many people have I offended on this thread:
White folks
Those who love white folks.
Those who believe white folks have to be trusted before they screw 'em.
Those who hate white folks but think I wanna love white folks.
Black folks who can't make up their minds if they wanna love and/or trust white folks.
Ghandi, MLK, Thurgood Marshall, and Harriet Tubman.
Men whose pimp juice is so damn tight that they got their wives believing that they are saints and can walk on water.
Married people everywhere.
People that post brief posts.
Cheese.
Oh! and Abm...but he doesn't count. I routinely try to offend him just to read the response.
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Lambd
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Abm: read my post again. I said how do we know that MLK "would not have gotten the idea on his own". Meaning if not for Ghandi. There is no doubt in my mind that he was influenced by Ghandi, but you said yourself that he wasn't the first to have the nonviolent idea. I think King was more than capable of coming up with it on his own if someone else hadn't first. Worthwhile, yes, but not brain surgery. Christians were talking that "turn the other cheek" crap centuries ago. |
Moonsigns
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Lambd,
Your reply suggests that my husband has me believing things that aren't true. You should know better. I have lived long enough to observe (and learn) the way men operate. I have lived long enough to understand (and learn) my influence as a woman. You're right, I do respect him, but this respect is a two-way street. I am hopeful enough to believe him, but not afraid to leave him --and he knows it. I won't fight to keep a man because I don't fear not having one. It's no issue to me. That's the difference between me and the average woman.
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A_womon
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 22, 2004 - 08:44 am: |
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That's the difference between me and the average woman.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I told yall this dumb azz broad was delusional!!!! She must routinely put some halucinogens in her energy drinks!! Hahahahahahaha!!!! |
Abm
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Lambd,
Oh My Brother. I fear we are indeed trapped in a relentless game of ‘musical’ posts.
Look. I never explicitly or implicitly stated that Dr. King could not have otherwise divined an effective civil rights stratagem. However, why should he, a wise man, struggle with doing that when Mahatma had at least in part provide an effective template to accomplished such a generation prior? Why would he earn a Doctorate of Divinity if he did not intend to use what he learned to affect beneficial ends for himself and our people? Why not use the lessons of the past to forge a grander future?
After all, isn’t THAT, perhaps more than ANYTHING ELSE, why we write/read books (including the Bible) to begin with?
My brother, what you (and A_womon) are doing is the intellectual equivalent of ‘splitting hairs’.
Simply: My point is we should not deny ourselves the chance to learn/grow simply because our potential teacher might require the usage of suntan lotion or uses a comb that differs from that of our own. |
Abm
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Lambd says: "Oh! and Abm...but he doesn't count. I routinely try to offend him just to read the response."
ABM says: HAHA! Indeed. And I often feel/act similarly. |
Bleekindigo
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A-woman:
Sista-to-Sista:
Where are your usual radically intense posts? I've been catching up and I have to say that i've been dreadfully -disappointed to see that most if not all of your posts(at least on this thread) have been mainly directed at Moonsigns who seems to have no interest in what you have to say. Why waste so much energy being acerbic--so much time on someone you have no care for? Why not just continue to be interestingly surprising as you've always been? Isn't it a waste of energy and a dishonor to your intellect to post the crap you've been posting? Just wondering.
What's the deal with that?
This is not an attack so please don't take it as such. I'm genuinely interested.
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A_womon
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Well, Bleek
Hi where ya been? This is how I see it. I am not about to let a white chick run rampant on THIS board unchecked and spouting off at the mouth on things that she knows NOTHING about. I care that this is an AA forum and I am not about letting a fool disrespect it. Now I really could care less if she is interested in what I say or not.Others will read what I have to say about her and see who is fake and who is not. That is my intention to expose her for the phony she is! The point is I am going to continue to say what I want about her posts when I want to say it.
I am surprised that other AA women do not find her offensive.
Now, can I ask you why you are not concerned about her posts? Maybe I am missing something here. |
Lambd
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Abm: Your head is damn near(but not quite) as thick as your boy, Yukio. I am not arguing with you, you pinhead. I am only suggesting that King had the intelligence to come up on the nonviolent thing whether or not Ghandi or Christ or whomever came up with it first. It doesn't matter. I'm only trying to give Black folks the credit that you seem to not want to allow me to give. Really now, are you playing the devil's advocate like you so often do, or are you Yukio's long-lost, evil twin?
Moonsigns: Who cares? You and your husband shouldn't even be an issue here. This is an African American literature book club. Not an African American and those who marry African Americans book club. Can we please, move on? You are making me pale...no offense. |
Bleekindigo
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A-woman:
Thanks for the response--I told my co-worker that you might rip me a new one--but you didn't. You just responded with that A-woman spunk that I adore girl!!
Ha! Ha!
As for my reaction/non-reaction to moonsigns: I never said that I haven't found anything that she's said to be offensive. I have and it's usually been something that you or someone else checked her on right away.
Otherwise, I actually don't think that the bulk of what she has said has been offensive. I do believe that as a white woman she is ignorant to certain thangs where black folks are concerned as am I to certain thangs where white folks are concerned. But, that is to be expected isn't it?
While I have my reservations about white folks--i do-(my face is tight right now) for my own sanity, intellectualism and genuine advocacy for understanding I believe that any white being, Indian being, black being, willing to genuinely involve him or herself in a discourse where my race is concerned, I am all for being involved back--on an impactful level, a level that dispels ignorance and misinformation and in it's place implements enlightenment on some level.
Badgering Moonsigns does what? Really?
I do not think that she intentionally offends when she does. I think that she genuinely believes what she says. Like many folks usually do. And like many of us, there are things that she thinks that she knows when in reality she does not.
If you are going to respond at all, why not just enlighten her instead of badgering her and then leaving her to continue to believe in her ignorance and pass it on to her black children?
And, if you find that you cannot bear the exchange or that she is not willing to open herself to the possibility that she has been ill-informed on many issues where black folks are concerned--step off. Don't waste your energy there. What is that saying? Ain't no need of beatin' a dead horse. Come on--your head is too heavy for you to be postin' light Sh*! like that, that you place in response to Moonsigns.
You said:
"Others will read what I have to say about her and see who is fake and who is not."
I say: There are some strikingly keen minds on this board. They know.
Bleek-
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Abm
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Lambd,
My Brother, I think it is YOU, not myself, who are 'pulling a "Yukio"'. Because you continually change what's being said to suit your end (WHATEVER the f@#$ THAT is).
Are you even READING what I have wrote? Because if you have (and, of course, assuming you CAN read), you should easily glean that I NEVER once questioned Dr. King's "intelligence" (for CHRIST SAKE!) nor did I question his ability to design effective civil rights stategies without ANYONE, including Ghandi.
I simply mentioned that King applied what he learned from the teachings of Ghandi to crafting non-violent protests. That is no less faithful to some (fancifal) view of the capable Black man than it would be to suggest that to effective sink a jumpshot (a Black) Michael Jordan studied the shooting techniques of (a White) Jerry West.
I see no value in perpetuating some erroneously idealized, politically correct, Black-centered dogma that does NO ONE, especially not Black people, any good. Rather, I (and my "pinhead") endeavor to "advocate" the truth (or at least as close to it as my talents will allow).
I hope, for ALL our sake, you assert the same stand of thinking/reasoning amongst your young academic charges.
Bleekindigo,
Thanks for providing a wise sistahgurl perspective on this issue.
Your "...I have to say that i've been dreadfully -disappointed to see that most if not all of your posts (at least on this thread) have been mainly directed at Moonsigns." is as profound as it is apropos. I think what A_womon fails to realize is to a savvy and mature mind (especially that of a Black woman) the advent of a Moonsigns should be met with the proverbial..."So you’re here.(‘Missy Anne’!). Big deal! Now show me Whatchu got!".
Because, no matter what, she’s only ONE White woman. She ain’t takin’ over nothing in hur.
And pardon me. But I see White foks crawling out of the woodworks ‘round here.
So how long could we REALLY expect to be able to do our THANG here on a free/open forum WITHOUT at least some non-Black perspective/input? Frankly, considering the depth/breadth/tone of the subject matter we often cover here, I am surprised there isn’t MORE input from the cybernetic White ‘peanut gallery’ (that even Thumper admit is out there lurking about us.).
I can understand questioning the rationale/merits of some of Moonsigns views. But some of us are mistakenly treating her appearance here as if it is an issue worthy of reporting to the NAACP and the EEOC.
The rage/hysteria with which she responses to Moonsigns is both unfortunate and unnecessary. Why not instead more productively say/do the following: Do your thang. Let a Moonsigns do her’s. And have the faith to know and expect the strongest, most forceful and earnest views will in all likelihood prevail.
But I disagree with your "...Moonsigns, who seems to have no interest in what you have to say". Believe me, Moonsigns knows what she’s doing is pushing A_womon’s buttons. And at least in part is WHY she’s continued to do it!
See. As I said a little while ago, I think this issue is not totally racial. Rather, race is but a convenient enabler of what’s occurring. I think both Moonsigns and A_womon are indulging in a mutualy-satisfying bit of female haterade that women of all colors/shapes/sizes regularly partake of (please note the recent RACUOUS row between [the both Black] Miss_wysteria and Cynique). They will, of course, argue NAY. But there’s no way that they could have kept this THANG going on THIS long UNLESS they were REALLY enjoying themselves.
Admit it: Sometimes there’s no greater pleasure that a woman can enjoy than to revel in and act upon her raw/unmitigated hatred of another woman. I think it is primal in nature. The amateur (and perhaps sexist) social scientist in me might speculate that this tendency is at its origins how the natural female competes for the favor/protection of the prized male.
A_womon,
Respectfully, I must say that, in a way, your rabid defense of this board is becoming an indirect affront to the rest of us. Because inherent in your viewpoint is the notion that the rest of us can’t effectively think/speak for ourselves.
Still. I dig your energy and tenacity. Baby gurl, when you figure it all out, you’ll be badder than a MOFO.
Moonsigns,
Do you (and your man) know that with every post you are moving perilously close to serving up the 'sauce' good-n-funky like so some DC-based playah-playah who's got an unreconciled beef with 'pecks'? |
A_womon
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Post Number: 771
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Bleek,
Hmmmmmmmmm... what you say may be true. I wouldn't mind having discourse with a white person, just not THIS fake phony thinks she knows everything about everything never can admit she is wrong type white broad.
I will consider what you have said, maybe I haven't given people credit for being able to see through her transparent and phony garbage.
I don't agree that she believes what she is saying, I think she is just arrogant and ignorant and feels that she is so smart that she can say what she wants and her true meaning will be lost on us.
I will TRY to ignore her. But...I aint making no promises...
One way you can help is to post something interesting for us to talk about so we can leave this BS alone!!
I like the way you flow too, Bleek! You are missed when you're not here! |
A_womon
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Post Number: 772
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 22, 2004 - 12:51 pm: |
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ABM,
AHHHHHHHHHHHH shaaaaaaaaaaadddddddddddddduppppppppp!
What you fail to realize is what I have said from the beginning... it is NOT merely the fact that she is a white girl it is what she SAYS! And I got just as much right to rebut what she says if I don't like it, as she does to say it! It is the latter part that YOU abm fail to understand. NOW how bout that?! |
A_womon
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Post Number: 773
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 22, 2004 - 12:52 pm: |
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AND aint NO ONE pushing MY buttons! |
Moonsigns
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Post Number: 231
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Lambd,
I know it's hard to deal with a woman who loves herself more than she'll love/tolerate ANY man.
Go ahead, insist I shouldn't be here because I'm white and I'm posting in a public forum that is titled "Race, Economy and Culture" --that makes sense. Typical.
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Abm
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Post Number: 1322
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A_womon,
YEAH! AAAAIIIGHT, Cookie Honey. Sure "ain't NO ONE pushing [YOUR] buttons". Darling, you have hardly discussed NOTHING ELSE since Snow White (sans the 7 Dwarfs) has been hur!
Do yourself (and the rest of us) a favor. Use the Search feature on this site and run a search of EVERYTHING you've posted since Moonsigns 'whiten' our doorstep. You (though I bet NOT Bleekindigo) would be STUNNED by how comsumed you have been with her, ESPECIALLY after she admits to...horror-of-horrors...being WHITE.
Oh. And one more thing: NAAAA! NA! NAAAA! NA! NAAAA! NAAAA! <stickingmytongueoutatchu!> |
Abm
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...and "NOW how bout THAT?!" |
A_womon
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 22, 2004 - 01:19 pm: |
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and sooooooooo?!!! |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 1324
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A_womon,
Bleek’s " There are some strikingly keen minds on this board. They know." is also profound (You GO you dark and 'bleek' freak, you!). Cuz hey. If it IS game Moonsigns is runnin’. And even LAMBD dun peeped it. Then Baby doll, you can rest assure that Moonsigns ain’t fooling NOOOOOBODY.
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Moonsigns
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Username: Moonsigns
Post Number: 232
Registered: 07-2004
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Abm,
You wrote in one of your recent posts that "truth hurts".
Regarding this topic, we have very different ideas about what truth is. How can you imply that truth hurts when we don't feel the same? Who does it really hurt than?
You said something very profound and the reason I am pointing it out to you is because it is the basis for me not engaging with A_womon.
Abm wrote: "The amateur (and perhaps sexist) social scientist in me might speculate that this tendency at it's origins how the natural female competes for the favor/protection of the prized male."
Bingo Abm!!!!!!!! "Prized male" is key here.
This has been my point all along, that women will hate one another because we are socialized to idolize men. While I love my partner, I love myself way more. I am raising my female children to respect men, but to respect themselves more. I won't fight with another woman over some man, or men.
Abm, I don't ignore A_womon to "push her buttons". I'm not the type of person who gets a rise out of others anger. It's not productive. I ignore her because ultimately, I know that the man issue is at the forefront of her mind. Until she overcomes this we have no common ground. I will not fight for the favor/protection of men, she will. I don't think ill of her either. I just don't have time for the mindless chatter about who and what she thinks about me, my partner and my offspring. Nothing comes of it --especially when I'm not the enemy she thinks I am. If I engage the beast (my humaness) will rise like the blistering, hot sun. At my age, I know better. I must be a better example. It's not to make her angry. It's about energy and self-control --something that this young, very intelligent, passsionate women needs in order to guide her many gifts.
Usually, when women can get over the man thing, they get along (generally) much better. My friendships with black women (and other non-white women) outside here are beautiful because we can respect our differences, but not feel threatened by them for the favor/protection of the "prized male".
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A_womon
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Username: A_womon
Post Number: 777
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No moonsigns, it is YOU who needs to get over the MAN thing! You are the one constantly trying to engage the men on this board! So if you are so aware of the problems this may cause while you are "not fighting" over them then why do you continue?
PUH LEEZE! Continue to ignore my posts if you like. It don't cost me nothing! You should be asking me what it would take for ME to want to engage you on another level. |
Moonsigns
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Post Number: 233
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Bleek,
Though you may not always agree with my opinions, I am glad that you have made the points you have. After reading my post to Abm, I'm sure you understand that it is not my intent to anger anybody. When people are as intelligent, passionate and fiery as A_womon, it is shame to waste that precious energy, especially when I'm not against her.
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Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 1369
Registered: 01-2004
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Hi Bleek.
What a breath of fresh air you bring to this discussion. I can just tell that if I were ever to meet you, I would like you. There's a serenity about you. |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 1327
Registered: 04-2004
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Moonsigns,
I think the ‘hate’ you refer to is not just a product of socialization. I do believe it is central part of the feminine nature. I witness it when I see my own daughters constantly bicker over EVERYTHANG, especially when/where it concern which of them is receiving disproportionate favor from me. So I would think that remedying the ‘hate’ will prove easier said than done, especially in a grossly unfair/biased culture.
I won’t indulge in proving how well-adjusted you are as a wife/mother. Because ultimately that can only be reflected upon your family and friends.
And I do in essence concur with much of what you say regarding your ‘relationship’ with A_womon. But, you know, a car with a ragged engine does not always spew noise/fumes. And another seemly noisome, noxious car may indeed prove most dependable and enduring.
What is it you mean by "How can you imply that truth hurts when we don't feel the same? Who does it really hurt than?" To answer your questions, you must first clarify what YOU specifically mean by "truth".
Bleekindigo,
I concur with Cynique. You have helped ushered in a clarity/focus that indeed defies even her own namesake.
Bravo...and Encore! |
A_womon
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Username: A_womon
Post Number: 779
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ABM,
But, you know, a car with a ragged engine does not always spew noise/fumes. And another seemly noisome, noxious car may indeed prove most dependable and enduring.
What the plunck????!! Just what are you saying???
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Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 1328
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A_womon,
The "plunk" (hehe!) I am saying is Moonsigns calm and well-adjusted demeanor may disguise havoc and, conversely, your rambunctous delivery may belie wisdom (it's just that all dat raw 'noise' can make it difficult for many of us to behold that ). |
A_womon
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Post Number: 780
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unh HUNH! I guess you mean well with that little metaphor. So Ima gi' you the benefit of the doubt! |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 1329
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A_womon,
Oh girl. You are TOO young to be so negative 'bout 'ol ABM. You should leave that brand of cynicism to...Cynique! |
Moonsigns
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Username: Moonsigns
Post Number: 234
Registered: 07-2004
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Abm,
You commented on how when blacks "criticize" whites it is not racism, but rather "righteous indignation". That is your truth. I don't believe that. I think there are some black people, as well as other non-white folks, who are racist without it having a thing to do with whites.
My truth is different. If you say the "truth hurts" regarding our discussion, and I don't adhere to the same truth, who does it really hurt than?
btw, as far as my "calm" and "well-adjusted demeanor", you're correct. However, there is no hidden "havoc". What you observe here is what you would observe in real life. Self-control and mastery of oneself is very important to me --it's powerful!
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Miss_wysteria
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Username: Miss_wysteria
Post Number: 195
Registered: 09-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 22, 2004 - 05:45 pm: |
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You know what, MOON.
This comment right here that you made is what just INFURIATES me everytime I think I'm comfortable with you:
MOON SAID:
Usually, when women can get over the man thing, they get along (generally) much better. My friendships with black women (and other non-white women) outside here are beautiful because we can respect our differences, but not feel threatened by them for the favor/protection of the "prized male".
WISS SAYS:
That kinda bullshit just burns me the fuck up----because it suggests that all women are EQUAL in this society and that your position WITH your "newly En Vogue" BLACK husband isn't informed more by SOCIETY and how society legislates which niggers can sit at which STATIONS in the society...for which purposes....and which NEW WAY "white women" will be allowed to benefit from White Supremacy and all the joys of the INJUSTICE of being held up as "prized female" to go with the "prized male"----even when the whole goddamned PLAYING FIELD was RIGGED and is still RIGGED.
I don't mean to demean or DISCOUNT your relationship, but as much as I really do like you and WANT SO MUCH for us to get along and be pals, your arrogance is just so sickening.
And I don't blame A_Womon for feeling RESENTFUL that the one place designated for her to come and be herself with her own people.....she has to read "Utopian Middle Class" bullshit like that from some well intentioned WHITE WOMAN (and her traditional colored women lackeys) who just don't get what an insult and a gross.....gross INSENSITIVITY it is.....to someone like A_Womon who has to live in REALITY, as a young black Under-Valued FEMALE in this...American Society....every day of her damned life. And to someone like ME...who not only has felt the graveness of that reality, but who has witnessed it as a "ghost" haunting the lives of black women WORLDWIDE.
Many times, MOOON, I really do wish that LAMBD and A_Womon would cut you some slack and give you a break.
But then....POP....I get just as pissed off hearing you say........
well if this black girl would just get an "attitude adjustment" and stop bickering over MEN...we'd all get along be happy. Especially since I HAVE A MAN and HE'S SOOOOOO PERFECT (because I'm a good white lady who's SOOOO entitled) and I'm offering you black women my friendship--I don't know WHY you're not welcoming me with open arms.
It's SO MUCH MORE...than MEN, Moon.
70% of black children grow up in homes ran by their SINGLE BLACK MOTHERS.....that means MILLIONS of those children are little Black girls who may never know a father's love, a brother's respect or an Uncle's admiration.....because THIS SOCIETY is NOT EQUAL...and it clearly FAVORS and CATERS to your Smug White Ass!!!
So, with all due respect, you NEED to shut the fuck up sometimes!
And BLEEK needs to get over her goddamned squeamish-ness and stop being the traditional WEAK, Wimp-Ass Black American doormat for Miss Anne....and realize that SOMETIMES, even though our daughters may be "wrong", may be "immature" and may be suffering from "socialized anger".....it's time that we ACKNOWLEDGED the reality of that anger and start supporting them in getting it OUT...rather than holding it in. ANd just maybe, BLEEK...if some of us OLDER BLACK WOMEN could get a goddamned backbone and some MOXIE...we'd try to challenge this STATUS SYMBOL of the White Woman's, not for us--because it's too late--but for OUR daughters, who have to inherit the sorry ass world we leave behind.
Make no mistake. I like MOOONSIGNS. I respect her life choices and I respect her right to come and say her piece. Often, I even feel in tune with her. I definitely believe that she is a nice person who "means well".
But a lot of her naive bullshit gets on my fucking nerves, too, and I REFUSE to coddle and tolerate listening to all this "I'm so ENTITLED" crap from some middle class white woman who clearly does not respect the feelings of BLACK WOMEN in their own space...when....SHE feels like it.
FUCK MOON.
And ABM you can shut the fuck up, too. I've heard enough from your ass!
It's a goddamned shame in this world that little black girls don't have a single PERSON in this country ...man or woman....that is willing to STAND UP and shake this fucking society until there's a NEW REALITY for little black girls and at least HALF a band-aid for the pain, suffering and INJUSTICE that attends their lives.....TWICE as much as it attends the lives of Black Males, who everyone is ALWAYS...ALWAYS whining and bitching over.
If I hear ...one more time....about how I'm supposed to feel sorry for some little pink-faced white girl and her ANOREXIA...BULLEMIA...."somebody hit her, somebody raped her"....THAT EVIL NASTY...JEALOUS...BLACK GIRL being MEAN to her...won't let White Girl have her say.....I swear to God, I'm going to scream.
MOON brought her ass in here. She's constantly throwing out her perfect BLACK husband and how she's so ENTITLED (as if A_Womon isn't) and how she's ABOVE reading the girl's posts....and she's grateful to ABM (another UNWITTING symbol of the fucking desperation that young black girls feel)....and she's so MISTREATED by all the prejudice here, because....SHE.....should be just as welcome as anybody else....and she's going to show these Black Bitches that she's not going anywhere and she's a TOUCH white woman and she's.....
She DESERVES a good fucking slap!!!!!
You're here MOON...ONLY...and mean ONLY...because BLACK MEN post, run and frequent this board.
If this was an All-Black Women's board...your friendly new age moon spirit ass would not be up in here....and you KNOW it.
SO what you get from A_Womon...is exactly what you deserve.
And this whole society is so BLIND if it doesn't realize...that there's so much MORE coming.
And even men like ABM are going to find their black asses knocked down in the drive-way and STAMPEDED by the ....pure, raging anger that is brewing and about to BLOW....in MILLIONS of young black girls....WHO....have WOMBS.
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Moonsigns
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Username: Moonsigns
Post Number: 236
Registered: 07-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 22, 2004 - 07:07 pm: |
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Wysteria,
First and foremost, black men date, marry, and procreate with black women in far, far greater numbers than with any other race of women. The same goes for other groups/races of men. While there are obvious external factors, there are also many internal factors that influence the quality and lives of young, black girls. Yes, white supremacy needs to be addressed, but not each and every problem black girls face are because of whites.
My theory on sexism is true and women do have a problem with other women in general. This is not race/color specific. I have met more sexist, African men than I can count, all married to African women at that. They were in Africa long before they came here and were surrounded by nothing but other black Africans. Their sexism can't be blamed on whites.
And yes, if we weren't socialized (regardless of race/color) to hate each for the glory of a penis and a paycheck, women would indeed get along much better. I don't care what you or anyone else says. Race can't always be used as an excuse. I have read your stories in the archives about how you keep your man. I commend you for loving him so much and from your story, can understand why you do. But hey, I'm not the one. Some of the things you have gone through to keep him, I would have never done --AND, it has not one DAMN thing to do with race --it's about my integrity --it's about my strong, strong conviction that I have vowed to myself that I will never chain someones soul. My husband isn't perfect, but he is a decent human being. I understand and accept that he is here because he wants to be. I have told him if there comes a time when he wants to leave, go --but don't come back. So don't think that I have some stupid idea of my "en vogue" relationship and how sweet and "miss anne" it is. It is a human relationship between a man and a woman. As easily as he is with me, he could be with a black woman, or any other woman (race and COLOR is irrelevant to him). I could never, and would never be with a man that disrespects black women, or any other group of women. My honor will always be with women. If I disrespect other women, or allow my man to, I not only hurt myself, but I hurt other women.
Finally, I care about young black girls. My focus is not instilling them with rage, but with education, self-awareness and a sense of self-respect in a world that compromises everything they deserve to be honored for. Don't forget ms, I am raising young girls who are identified in the US as black. Being my children, everything that is relevant in their world, is relevant in mine. As I won't tear another woman down for her looks, I won't tolerate them to do it --teaching by example.
I do my part in my day-to-day living in ensuring that the young girls I come in contact with (regardless of race) are encouraged, uplifted and empowered by my words and genuiune kindness (and desire for them to succeed).
I am your advocate, not your fyckin adversary. Stop it.
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Moonsigns
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Username: Moonsigns
Post Number: 238
Registered: 07-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 22, 2004 - 07:49 pm: |
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I forgot to add, in regards to not responding to A_womon, I am simply living out my convictions.
I have my weaknesses. I know what they are. If I engage with A_womon I will indulge my weaknesses and make the situation worse. If I am a peacemaker, I must have actions that are of a peacemaker. A_womon wants to fight. Until she reconciles that, nothing peaceful will come of our conversations. I have to be frank, as long as I've been with my partner, I am at the point in my life where I don't have the time for certain things. Constructive communication requires more than yelling and accusing people of what they are not. We all know that.
So know this, me not responding to A_womon is not out of disrespect, it's out of respect that she is a female. I can get caught up at times, but I strive not to. Once she reconciles that I'm not a vilian and stops calling me out as such, then communication is on. Until then, I must stick to my principles in uplifting women. If I tear her down, I am but a hypocrite.
Please understand, I don't dislike her. She is brave, intelligent, and passionate --traits I admire.
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Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 1330
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 22, 2004 - 09:22 pm: |
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Moonsigns,
The "...righteous indignation ("potAYto, potAHto")." was intended to make the VERY SAME point that you made. I thought adding the "potAYto, potAHto" would make plain that what I REALLY think is the "racism" wielded by Whites and the "righteous indignation" hurled by Blacks may in substance be essentially very much the SAME THING.
Ever heard of something called...'sarcasm'? |
Moonsigns
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Username: Moonsigns
Post Number: 239
Registered: 07-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 22, 2004 - 09:39 pm: |
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Abm,
Sure I've heard of sarcasm. There are times when I get it and times when I don't (this time I didn't get it --my fault). On this particular board it is sometimes hard to differentiate, and for obvious reasons at that.
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Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 1331
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 22, 2004 - 09:44 pm: |
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Moonsigns,
Dats cool. Heck! I'm STILL trynah figer out stuff Yukio has posted 6 - 12 months.
So who am I to talk? |
Moonsigns
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Username: Moonsigns
Post Number: 240
Registered: 07-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 22, 2004 - 10:01 pm: |
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Yeah, Yukio is definitely a smart cat!
There are some pretty intelligent folks here (both male and female)! I have to admit Abm, you have had me pickin' up the dictionary on more than one occassion. That is cool though --learning is good!
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Lambd
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Username: Lambd
Post Number: 548
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 22, 2004 - 10:39 pm: |
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Fish out of water! What the fyck ever!
Abm: I don't know how you got my last post all screwed up, but I didn't say any of the things you imagined I said you said but I don't even care anymore. I'm gonna just drop it and we will have to agree to disagree as long as you agree that you have the IQ of a grape and a head as thick as redwood. I'll say it one more time for your dizzy azz, "I get it. I'm not disagreeing with you!" Sheesh! It's like the ghost of whatsisname.
I didn't think it was possible for me to ever say this but, "Moonsigns, are your posts getting longer?" You are so gracious to respect Awoman so much. I am so tickled that you are taking the high road. It is so refreshing to hear such a self-righteous white girl. You don't get that everyday.
Abm: Was that a good enuff example of sarcasm? |
Miss_wysteria
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Username: Miss_wysteria
Post Number: 205
Registered: 09-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 12:28 am: |
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MOON, you said about your husband:
As easily as he is with me, he could be with a black woman, or any other woman (race and COLOR is irrelevant to him).
*******
I SAY THIS:
I wish you well...and I don't have anything else to say to you.
PERIOD.
Just make sure you stay out of my fucking way.
It's bad enough that you have to come here and be a white bitch...but one who's fulla shit....I just can't put up with.
And for the record...
...RACE AND COLOR are not "irrelevant" to ANYONE who has the power to GIVE BIRTH and "DREAM" of their children. And I don't know where you Americans come up with this bullshit.
You're the typical two-faced middle class white IDEALIST who doesn't realize one CRUCIAL thing:
*****
"The White woman thinks that she can make us love her by showing us images of herself saving us...
...it never occurs to her that what would REALLY make us love her is if she showed us images...OF US...saving OURSELVES."
---KOLA BOOF
I have nothing further.
And please don't speak to me either.
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A_womon
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Username: A_womon
Post Number: 781
Registered: 05-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 08:54 am: |
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I don't know how many different ways I gotta say it...I DONT GIVE A PLUNCK WHAT MOONSIGNS THINKS OR DOES NOT THINK ABOUT ME. SHE DOES NOT ROCK MY WORLD OR EVEN TOUCH IT!! I just want her to know that I am going to continue to DEBUNK her fictious, FAKE, and very SPECIOUS, input on this board. PERIOD!!!!!! |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 1333
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 10:31 am: |
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LORD. Were I awarded a dollar for every time some shrill, raving female told me to "shut up", I could buy up that string of Pacific Islands and live out my remaining days as the reigning Deity/Procreator.
...But, alas, ’tis but a dream of mine.
Miss_wysteria (& her ardent apologists),
You know I am an eager supporter of yours. And I enjoy your ranting. I often find it to be an intellectually cleansing experience. But Baby, at a certain point, you (and the A_womon’s of the world) gottah realize too much fighting, no matter how virtuous it source/cause, leads only to CONSTANT and UNPRODUCTIVE fighting.
What do you hope to achieve with a Moonsigns anyway? I think Bleekindigo words should be respected/considered more. Because any sane Black person know that up to a certain point, a White woman won’t 'get it'. So why won’t YOU 'get' THAT?
You know, I have begun to experience a mental dilemna here.
Because I respect and empathize with how the sistahs feels. I have a Black mother, wife, sisters, daughters, etc. No I am (only) male. But I have at a secondary level experienced the full gamut what you to endure. And I too genuinely fear the life choices my daughters will have to make. So I can almost understand that kneejerk reaction to view and to treat Moonsigns as unwanted interloper.
Still, I can’t for the life of me divine that angrily prohibiting White women will cure what ails you...and us. Because I know on both a personal and a communal level that one can rarely if ever win in a contest with a closed, enraged consciousness. Because even in pro sports where it seems fury is requisite to success, usually the guy who yells the least wins.
Cliché alert: "Cooler head prevail."
And lemme tell you gals somethin’: You will NEVER(evereverever) convince Black men - who presently are and/or quickly becoming the most dreaded, endangered and unemployable people - that WE are so much to blame for our troubles that we should all just sit in a corner somewhere and allow the almighty Black woman figure EVERYTHING out for us all. I don’t care if you scream ‘til your collective c@@chies explode (And Lambd, wouldn't THAT be something to behold!). We ain’t gonna buy THAT.
And lastly, if you can’t tolerate/appreciate what I (a Black man who enjoys respectfully conversing with you on a daily basis) might say, what possible chance do you have to reach the countless other brothahs who could give 2-bits-of-a-f@#$ whatcha think/feel? |
A_womon
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Username: A_womon
Post Number: 782
Registered: 05-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 10:43 am: |
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I and the brothers that are in MY world, communicate JUST FINE! |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 1334
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 11:03 am: |
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A_womon,
That's what they tell you too your face. What they say behind your back you may not want to know/hear.
Moonsigns,
Wow! You mean I caused even a ("middle-class") WHITE WOMAN to consult her Webster? MAN. I mus’ be one’ah dem rite smaht neegrows (like Cynique).
"Earth to Lambd. Earth to Lambd. Over. <radionoise> I repeat. Earth to Lambd. Earth to Lambd. Our radar say you are lost in space. Over and out." <radionoise>
Lambd,
Man. Normally, I try to respectfully answer posts directed to me. But, I’m sorry, whatchu said in that last post was - when compared with what I previously said - so crazy, I don’t even have a reserve of patience to even attempt to salvage anything from it.
Tell me, do you ‘intend’ to mislead and confuse others and (MOSTLY) yourself? Or is this some family illness or curse that you endure? Cause man, sometimes what you say is so muddled, I can’t help but feel the pain of your mental bewilderment.
If what ails you is indeed supernatural in origin, please say so. Cuz I’m sure our resident African Goddess Miss_wysteria can work her mojo on you. Just make sure you have plenty soap/towels on hand to clean up after she finishes. |
Miss_wysteria
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Username: Miss_wysteria
Post Number: 211
Registered: 09-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 11:21 am: |
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ABM--
I've listened to TONS and TONS of what you have to say.
And to literally hundreds of other Black men.
But when it comes to "MOON", I don't want to hear your opinion, because there is also another "reality" about BLACK men.
Namely that a good percentage of you surpass WHITE MEN in "sexism", are "colorstruck", are quick to betray black women and think nothing of it---"she's not going anywhere"---and generally see "RACISM" as something that only really affects your smug black asses and have traditionally ONLY carried out a revolution for "black males" and have not protected black women (look at this R. Kelley thing), and in fact, have OPENLY created a culture that imposes "colorism" on Black Females and have carried out that "caste system" IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY since slavery ended while hypocritcally accusing the WHITE MAN of being a racist, evil monster.
Are YOU personally any of that??
Well, you're sexist, that's about it.
And I ALWAYS "listen" to your opinions. That's what I've been doing. I also LEARN from you enormously.
But I'm getting tired of A_Womon being told, politely, to "be nice" and "shut up" and that she basically...has an attitude problem.....while this damned POLITICALLY CORRECT WIFE OF THE NEGRO MAN comes here basically to flaunt her arrogance (albeit INNOCENT arrogance, because SHE IS a nice person and I did like her)....at the expense of OUR COMFORT and OUR SPACE.
But since it doesn't annoy you...BLACK MAN....once again, you could almost give a shit whether or not if it annoys US.
And therein lies the problem. The selfishness and the disrespect that men like you are so USED to...that you've become BLIND and unable to even notice it.
People say that A_womon is "mistreating" and being unfairly "prejudiced" against MOOON.....well at this point, I don't give a shit and I think MOON deserves it. She's annoying the fuck out of me, too!
That's all I'm saying.
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Linda
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Username: Linda
Post Number: 58
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 11:51 am: |
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I guess we are done talking about Oprah, huh? Had I known my little encounter was going to start all this bickering I would have never put in my two cents. For bringing up such a sensitive topic, I apologize. For witnessing our display of how it was dealt with, the difference of direction it took--I shake my head. This is truly a sad occurrence where respect for one another, our guests and our site has been abandoned. There is nothing productive or amusing about the fact that we have changed a vital effort of recognition for AA literature into a three ring circus soap opera. Is this really how those of you that are published/aspiring to be published/mothers/fathers/sisters/brothers/etc., want the public to see you? Have we forgotten our goal here--awareness of great minds, great books, and great events that showcase our achievments? Let's keep our eyes on the prize here, shall we. Let's move on! |
Abm
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Abm
Post Number: 1338
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 01:50 pm: |
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Miss_wysteria,
What "revolution" have the brothahs won? We are by virtually ALL measures regressing behind EVERYBODY. There are more Black males who are high school drop outs, AIDS victims, convicts and unemployed than EVERYBODY else, including/especially Black women. It seems you conveniently use the behavior of a FEW Black men to paint/taint the rest of us.
Moreover, you cloud this issues within mantra of Black men craving White women when the truth is, even if we preferred to, the VAST majority of us’ll won’t get within the general area code of most White women, much less MATE/MARRY them. Again, I think you need to raise-up outtah the land of fruits-n-nuts and see you some REAL Black men. Cuz believe me. We ain’t ALL trynah go deep P-diving with some skanky blond.
I have never told ANYBODY to be quiet or nice (which by the looks of how things went down between you/Cynique/Thumper seems downright laughable). All I said was I’m against race being used to wholly disqualify with someone has to say.
But okay. Say us brothahs effectively shoe-away the world’s Moonsigns. Then what? Will all thing be right in the AA world? No, of course they won’t.
Because are those +70% Black fathers who don’t live with their kids are not away slumming with some man-stealing White hoochies? No. Chances are their with OTHER Black women. Are White women compelling our kids to watch 3X amount of TV and score +250 less on SAT exams than Asians. No. They’re doing so because for a myriad other reasons they are less inspired to study including their rabid desire to see EVERYTHING that Usher/Beyonce are doing. Are White women causing Black men to have unprotected sex with other Black men then infect their women with an uncurable disease? No. They are doing it because...well...because they enjoy going booty up with another brothah but are so stupid/chicken they endanger the very people who love them most.
See. My things is this: Moonsigns does not matter! Not to any real, material sense. What REALLY matters is whether we, you and I, are going to stop yelling at and blaming each other, pray away some of this fear and anger and then trust ourselves and each other to build a future together.
Linda,
Oh please! Tell it to the undertaker!
Anyone who has spied this site over the years have been treated to a wondrously informative, colorful...and FREE...tapestry of commentary/insight on myriad subject matter, both profound and mundane. So what we (appear to) have momentarily run aground? Be patient. We will soon set sail again in more clear and enlightening waters.
And hey. Anytime YOU want to broaden our "...awareness of great minds, great books, and great events that showcase our achievments", please do so.
"Goliath awaits." |
Miss_wysteria
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Miss_wysteria
Post Number: 217
Registered: 09-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 02:16 pm: |
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LOL
Wasn't it Linda in here a month ago fighting with some woman writer who went to a BOOK FESTIVAL and sent a report making fun of ZANE and black people's "planning and execution style"???
I was actually on Linda's side in that argument, because the attacks weren't warranted and the WRITER wasn't proposing any improvements. She just wanted to take a pot-shot at my beloved ZANE (who, by the way, rumor has it has been saying delightfully nasty things about ME, but...so what...rumors are rumors).
But Linda has been KNOWN to get down with the best of 'em and now she's mad because the JOKER (that would be me) has been pulled out of the deck and laid on the table. The site...once again...is delinquent.
Gee, I wonder why her and Thumper haven't just KICKED me off the site like they usually do by now? They usually make up some nefarious excuse for their CENSORSHIP and COMMUNIST-like banning.
***WINK***
Laughing my ass off, as if I didn't know why.
But anyway....I'll be gone for good again soon.
I only came back to get ABM.
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Moonsigns
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Moonsigns
Post Number: 242
Registered: 07-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 03:32 pm: |
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Abm,
You know you are intelligent! |
Linda
Veteran Poster
Username: Linda
Post Number: 60
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 03:40 pm: |
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ABM, you are right...patience is due. I'll try to find mine.
Miss Wysteria, excuse me, I prefer to call you Kola. Now, we from time to time have had our discrepancies and I have found you more than a worthy opponent as well as an ally. Let's not muddy the waters. Never have I banned you, deleted you or sent you way. Those matters are not handled by me. So, play fair. My only request was that you put a harness on some of your anger and vulgarity, something that has been asked of everyone here. There are a number of people who were banned, suspended or whatever because of far less issues. Is it fair to discipline them and not you? Of course not, yet no one seems to notice that all the posts are still here and so are you and no one has been banned. Talk about progress. So, speak your mind, post away, everyone else on here certainly is--just keep in mind that your dignity and credibility is irreplacable. Don't get it twisted that all of those admiring fans condon such behavior. Especially when you want their money. |
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