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Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 1245
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 07, 2004 - 11:11 am: | 
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What a pleasant surprise to see Anita Baker on Jay Leno last night. She was in great form and great voice. I did hear she had a new album out. Go head on, Anita! |
Miss_wysteria
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Post Number: 26
Registered: 09-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 07, 2004 - 04:37 pm: |
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The CD is wonderful. I bought it when I came home today.
Totally worth the wait.
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Soulofaauthor
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Post Number: 91
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 07, 2004 - 04:43 pm: |
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ohhhhhhh I love me some nita.I didnt know she had a new cd out I got to go get it tommorrow cause I am in for the night not even nita's new cd can get me out today.I had a hard day at work today. |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 1106
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 05:41 am: |
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WOW! I am happy to hear that Anita is making a triumphant return. The music biz sure needs someone of her talent and artistry.
Hey. I wonder what Beyonce, Asante and the rest of the those fakey-fake 'singers' gonna do now that a true singer is returning to the arena? Cuz it maybe be kinda hard for foks to bear some of their crap after they get a lil' taste of the real thing. |
Soulofaauthor
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Post Number: 95
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 07:45 am: |
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Nita is class they could never be on her level but we all know the music industry will still have room for the bootie shakers. |
A_womon
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Username: A_womon
Post Number: 694
Registered: 05-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 07:55 am: |
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Yeah abm that is probably true IF ya middle aged! |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 1108
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 10:25 am: |
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Soulofaauthor,
Indeed.
Though, ain't nuthin' wrong with a few "booty shakers" too...if 'shaken' in moderation.
A_womon,
Don’t get me started now. Believe-you-me. Yawl don’t EVEN wanna go HERE, Young Stuff. Cuz let me tell yah, Anita "Never A Faker" Baker could fart out better licks than Beyonce, Asante, Alicia Keys or any your other gen-X whalers can during their very BEST efforts. And that includes AFTER their producers (the TRUE talents of today’s popular music) have cleared all the cracks from the products of their unskilled yappers. |
A_womon
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Post Number: 696
Registered: 05-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 01:33 pm: |
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again SOA that's what YALL say! I don't wanna hear all that moanin and whinin!! Fartin or not,(fartin is a good word cuz it sho NUFF stanks! haha!) you like what you like and I like what I like and your likes aint hardly no better than mine, now is they! |
Soulofaauthor
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Post Number: 100
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 07:10 pm: |
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ahhhhhhh now come on now A_woman girl I still gets out and does my thang.All I am saying is Nita is class.Don't get me wrong now girl can Pac was and still is my boy.I just like a variety of music and Nita just happens to be one of the most talented women out their and it is good to have her back where she belongs. |
A_womon
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Post Number: 700
Registered: 05-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 08:17 pm: |
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SOA: Now You KNOW you right! I aint hatin on ya girl ANITA< But if you gone try to tear down my girl ALICIA I got no choice but to take a chunk outta your choice of DIVA! hahaha!
Just teasing you!
Iss all good though. I think Alicia is all that too and she is only what... 23? And bad as HELL!!
"Some women want diamond rings...some just want EVERYTHING, but everythang aint nothin, If I aint got you......" Oh yeah, she's a songwriter too.
Come On now SOA! Admit it she BAAAAAAAAD!! |
Soulofaauthor
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Post Number: 103
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 08:28 pm: |
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Hold on A_Woman I ain't never tried to tear down Alicia Keys.I got both of girl cd's.The girl is bad.She not only beautiful but also multitalented.Very few can do what she does.I happen to be a huge fan.You ain't never seen me try to tear her down.Now beyonce I personally thing is all hype.But I aint mad at her I'm like girl do what you do. |
A_womon
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Username: A_womon
Post Number: 704
Registered: 05-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 08:35 pm: |
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OK MY BAD! SOA. I thought when you said this:Baker could fart out better licks than Beyonce, Asante, Alicia Keys...
I THOUGHT you was sayin my girl wasn't no good. But if you got her CDs then that must not have been what you meant. hahahhaha!
Just messin witcha girl just messin withcha..calm down. 
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A_womon
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Post Number: 705
Registered: 05-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 08:36 pm: |
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Hey SOA, check my post to you on "what yall readin" on the other board. |
Soulofaauthor
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Post Number: 104
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 08:39 pm: |
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A_woman I didnt say that read who posted that again.Now get'em lmao |
A_womon
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Post Number: 707
Registered: 05-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 08:46 pm: |
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SOA: hahahahaha! My BAD FOR REAL!! I should have known it was good ol' ABM hatin on ALICIA! |
Abm
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Post Number: 1139
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 09:57 pm: |
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A_womon,
Not "hatin". Jus' 'relatin'.
Keys is ok...for what she do. But she's good 10 - 15 years from have a mutually-beneficial conversation with Baker.
But every generation needs its 'gods'. So I'll stop and let you all have yours. |
Soulofaauthor
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Post Number: 108
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 09, 2004 - 09:24 am: |
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Now Abm she really didnt deserve to be put up their with beyonce and ashante.I mean this is just my personal feelings but even ashante didnt deserve to be up their with beyonce.Beyonce is all hype no talent what so ever.But again I say it's only how I feel judging from her legend of fans and even my two daughters.Who for some reason love her music but again they are only 14 and 11 so what do they really know about real music.Btw my youngest is a tenna marie,and a nita baker fan.AND that's just telling me one thing real talent can't be denied.Of which I feel alicia has.I see her being around for along time unlike beyonce who is only media hype.Btw I saw that destiny child is getting back together.Maybe she sees she just can't stand along to long. |
Lambd
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Post Number: 507
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 09, 2004 - 10:18 am: |
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You people kill me. I heard Beyonce on the radio this morning on the way to work. She sounded terrific to me. No, she is not on a level with Aretha Franklin or Anita Baker. But to say she is talentless is crazy. I've seen Alicia Keys crack on more than one occasion, but everyone does. She is definitely going to be around for quite some time. The cream always rises to the top and we will see how long Beyonce, who has already been around for a decade, lasts. She aint Aretha, but give her some credit, dayyum! Y'all forever tearing people down up in here. I remember talking to this girl who said that Janet Jackson was talentless. Talentless? She's put out about nine albums hasn't she? Most of which sold millions. Are you telling me that people buy and listen to her records because of her name? Once or twice maybe, but over and over and over again, no. Beyonce and Alicia can sing. You people need to stop trying to compare them to legends. |
Abm
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Post Number: 1159
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 09, 2004 - 11:41 am: |
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Lambd,
I maintain that were I to judge today's performers strickly on the standards imposed upon their predecessors, they would come up short. You will NEVER convince me that there is a gen-X version of Aretha Franklin, Chaka Khan, Anita Baker...or even Whitney Houston. There just ISN'T (The only one on the popular market whom I can think of who may have their talent, though CERTAINLY not their skill, would be [the non-Black] Christina Aguliera). None of these girls sing with the raw power, clarity and dexterity of those 4 wondrous singers, whose voices are of a quality that span space/time.
But I will however, agree that it is unfair to impose upon the current performers the criteria of their artistic ancestry. Different times create/require different people/artists. So, for that reason, I will apologize to A_womon and her contemporaries for deriding what they appreciate. Because they are every bit as entitled to enjoy Alicia as I do Chaka.
PS: I should concede that I have professional singers/musicians amongst my close family/friends. So I suppose I have a bit of a 'bias' against many of today's performers. |
Miss_wysteria
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Post Number: 70
Registered: 09-2004
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 09, 2004 - 01:11 pm: |
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I'm sorry, ABM...but I agree with your assessment up to a degree...but I DO FEEL that Lauryn Hill is as gifted, eccentric, powerfully moving and as charismatic as ANY icon from any of the previous generations in American music.
She has a new CD coming on Nov. 16th and her last 2 CDs were nothing less than artistic and sociopolitical masterpieces. The sociopolitical part being what critics despise in ANY black woman---and Lauryn has surpassed even Nina Simone and Nikki Giovanni now, in her willingness to provide voice, insight and rage to the social debate on LIFE ITSELF right now.
I don't feel that any of my beloved "baroque artists"...Nina Simone, Stevie Wonder, Grace Jones, Earth Wind and Fire or Chaka Khan were any more TOUCHED than the still young and rising Lauryn Hill.
Another greatly underrated artist is Erykuah Badu. And poor India Arie--she's probably the most gifted lyricist around right now, but she's in the WRONG PACKAGE and kids aren't into folk music in this generation.
On top of everything...women artists are rarely given in depth analyzation, and furthermore, just as many of the critics are white and can't GET the full message from a black artist---many male artists totally ignore the "female experience" and are not as apt to NOTICE how very well someone like Laura Nyro, Joni Mitchell or even Barbra Streisand has spoken to it. Truly masterful tapestry-makers of the BLACK female experience ie. Tracy Chapman, Michell Indeogchello (never can spell her damned name) and Roberta Flack go virtually invisible to the so called CRITICAL THINKERS who wallow in their arrogance and place white male artists as the TOP of the intellectual musically elite.
And while I really like Alicia Key's vision for her music and love her singing...her music does sound "contrived" to me, and she struggles too much with trying to be accepted by the black community, rather than just presenting herself and being an ARTIST sans the personality.
Someone like Janet Jackson has NO CHOICE but to be a personality (and Janet has made some powerfully meaningful music)....but Alicia Keys has the talent and vision to ignore "image/social demand" and present a truly new ARTIST to us. She doesn't do that.
As an artist whose work is totally confrontational--I think it's a cop out that Alicia hasn't directly confronted all the hoopla surrounding her "racial identity strife" in her music. This would make for the most gut-wrenching and powerful material--her music would, then, be speaking to the times. But she opts to give soothing standard P/Correct messages about relationships, self esteem--and flirts with feminism but doesn't lay it bare and enforced as Lauryn Hill or even early Aretha Franklin would.
She is smart to copy Dionne Warwick's bossa nova---as she did all throughout her new CD.
Lastly...I think the Music Video has killed the chance for this generation to have REAL "ETHOS" TALENTS on the scale of Otis Redding, Chaka Khan, Herb Alpert, Stevie Wonder.
It's just about so much more than "experience" and "projection". Everything is a co-opted image that must serve the wheels of the cog. WOMEN especially must be palatable on screen and the radio playlists are now ran and managed by a generation of people raised on MEDIA IMAGES and fascist American ideals that come from being too rich, too spoiled and too comfortable.
Look how they borrow and copy the Civil Rights movements instead of creating their own vision/message...because they really don't have anything new to say...because the new SHORT ATTENTION span doesn't lend itself to thinking long enough.
The black community, in particular, is overrun with icons who are Self-Proclaimed Pimps, child molestors, Skin lighteners, Renegade Hoochie Ho's with NO POLITICS and NO SELF IDENTITY (they just walk around in White Girl Drag)...and this is what our children have for role models...because anyone who tries to talk sense is called a "hater" and dismissed by the insecurity (INSECURITY) of the nuts-grabbing, little weaklings who don't have a CLUE.....where they're taking us. They just want to wear bling bling watches and be LOVED (not by one person, but by the entire PLANET).....at all costs.
You're right. Today's music SUCKS in comparison to the last music of the last whole century.
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Lambd
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Post Number: 510
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 09, 2004 - 01:21 pm: |
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WoW! That was serious! |
Abm
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Post Number: 1162
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 09, 2004 - 01:47 pm: |
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Lambd,
Indeed.
This girl goes DEEP, don't she.
I'm gonna have to jack-up-my-slacks in my response to that one DAT.
I'll shoot something back in a minute. Gottah grab a bite to eat.
Miss_wysteria,
'In another life...'<sigh!>. |
Cynique
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Post Number: 1270
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 09, 2004 - 03:14 pm: |
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Well, if your father is Ravi Shakar, the record moguls will love you to death, female or not. Norah Jones took the industry by doing nothin but crooning re-cycled ballads. That's what they want to hear from females of all color. Protest music needs to find its niche again. It's kind of fallen along the wayside because its audience was supplanted by a younger demographic. Lauryn Hill's records sell like crazy, so she she can do her thing without too much interference. I say all of this to say that - Reverend Lauren Hill takes herself much too seriously, and she sings off-key sometimes. Down, Lambd! Pop a pill, Wyeria! Change your shorts, Abm! Thummmper - or somebody! Come rescue me! Right now! |
A_womon
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Post Number: 714
Registered: 05-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 09, 2004 - 03:45 pm: |
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MissWyst.
DIIIIIIAAAAAAAAAAAMN! I'm speechless! BUT ALlCIA still my girl!! (tee hee) |
Abm
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Post Number: 1163
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 09, 2004 - 04:43 pm: |
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Hill's cool. I dig some of her flow. But your whole good as Simone, Earth Wind & Fire and Stevie Wonder are WAY OUT THERE. Come in from off that ledge, Baby. Chick's got what...2 solo albums. Let's try 2 bring things into perspective a tad.
Side's. I am little suspect of Hill. She's more BAP than B-Girl. Which is fine, I suppose. But I still think the more talented former Fugees' mate (and bootiebuddy) Wyclef Jean hovers over her career.
I suspect our views may differ 'slightly' about music. Because I can't get to deeply into any lyrical messages if I don't really dig and slay to the melody/harmony.
Badu and Arie. Eh!? They are good. Not great. But good.
Badu's has presence. But her voice grates on my nerves.
Arie is a bit preachy. But I like her more serene, naturalist aura. And there's something about seeing a Black woman strum on a guitar that give me a case of ‘wood’ so intense I can give myself a wedgy without even using my hands.
Problem with "Tracy Chapman and Michell Indeogchello (never can spell her damned name-[me neither, though I think there’s an ‘M’ somewhere....hehe!]) is few Black people dig'em (least those I know). I think though that Roberta Flack has received some acclaim over the decades that you note.
I agree that Keyes' problem is she is new to the game, thus she has an identity/credibility problem. She's the product of J-Records boss Clive Davis, the longtime Dean of pop music improsarios, who probably took one look at her and quickly determined that he had found his next Whitney Houston ('slash' Stevie Wonder). Only thing is she lack Whitney's training/background (that include the omnipotent singer Aretha Franklin as a mentor).
I understand why she's avoided the biracial thing. If your music is on shaky grounding to begin with, the last thing you may want to do is take on issues that you yourself have probably yet to even fully understand, much less reconcile/resolve. But I think she has genuine talent. So if she keeps at it, will eventually find her own, authentic voice, one that is both enlightening and entertaining.
I agree that the video killed the true musical artists. And what is sadly ironic about that is the person who is most responsible for the destruction of modern American music is the very same person who started out on course to perhaps become the greatest entertainer ever. He is the Triumphant and the Tragedy we call Michael Jackson. Because after "Thriller", in music, the "sizzle" became more important than the "steak".
And this problem has been exacerbated because most music labels/distributors are now themselves only subsidiaries of larger multinational companies whose SOLE purpose is to churn out a higher EPS to it powerful shareholders. It don't matter that Britney isn't much of a singer. She's 'pretty' (I s'pose to some.)! So let make an album for her. Then package that into the soundtrack for the movie she's starring in. And in the movie make sure she's wearing that new Abercrombie & Finch outfits, and make sure she drives that latest Hummer, and eats at McDonalds, and drinks Coca Cola, and uses Heinz ketchup, etc, etc....etc.
It is ALL 'bout the dough!
Lastly, I think technology helped kill music.
Why should one spend the +1,000's hours perfecting their piano or guitar skills when some guy who wouldn't know a music chord from an extention cord can bang out hitmaking tunes? Why should one really develop refined vocal skills or, Hell!, even know how to sing at all when vocal miscues can so easily be disguised/deleted?
Music has become about as cheap to get at as a that of the biblical services of a $5.00 crackhead.
But, I suppose our views sound like those of cantankerous ol' foks to 18 year old's who can use their Casio keyboards to rock a party and can do in a single afternoon what prior music wiz's may have required days/weeks of expensive studio time to achieve.
For better and worse, things must change. |
Moonsigns
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Post Number: 172
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 09, 2004 - 05:58 pm: |
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I like Lauryn's work --both past and present --especially now.
I have always liked E. Badu as well. She is different in many ways and her music has always reflected that. She isn't afraid of what others think either. I really like that. I am attracted to her vibe, as she is super natural and takes great care of her 'temple'. I respect that greatly.
India Arie is SO talented and seems like such a genuine woman! She is very bohemian and just beautiful! Her work is amazing because her lyrics are relevant, as well as poignant. I also like the fact that she won't sell herself out to sell music. She is a true musician and many people in "the business" now are just entertainers.
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Moonsigns
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Post Number: 173
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 09, 2004 - 06:03 pm: |
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My mother has always liked Anita Baker and got me started on her music. I've always enjoyed her gift. |
Abm
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Post Number: 1172
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 11:37 am: |
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Moonsigns,
What do you think of Jessica Simpson and JoJo? My daughters LOVE those lil' chicks! |
Moonsigns
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Post Number: 181
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 02:57 pm: |
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Jessica Simpson has a 'lil bit of talent, but is very cunning in exploiting the current media market to her advantage --blond,all American, girl-next-door image, sex kitten bombshell --need I say more? She plays stupid for sure, but is making insane amounts of money because of others stupidity.
Funny you ask about JoJo. My girlfriend and I were just talking about her this afternoon. We agreed that, that child is way too young to sing the lyrics she does. My girlfriend's daughter also loves JoJo.
A lot of young girls like these two females.
My children think Jessica Simpson sucks and JoJo is "o.k."
I won't allow them to buy/own the work of either --I guess that is why. I think they suck, too!
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Miss_wysteria
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 03:17 pm: |
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When I was a teen MOON...I really loved The GoGo's and especially.....Olivia Newton John.
People in my neighborhood used to make fun of me, because I had this mega-thick accent and could always be found swaying and singing, "You have ta believe we are MAAAGIC--nothing can stand in our way"..
LOL
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Miss_wysteria
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 03:18 pm: |
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I still play OLIVIA'S Greatest Hits or Diana Ross's "Eaten Alive" CD when I go walking at night.
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Abm
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Post Number: 1183
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 03:37 pm: |
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Moonsigns,
Yeah. That Simpson is workin' that ditzy blond scheme to giddy White girl perfection.
Actually, her younger sister Ashlee maybe the family's true talent and at least she seems more authentic.
The jailbait JoJo thing is little off putting too. JEEZ! Who are the kids parents, the same ones who raised (& killed?) JonBenet Ramses?
And I saw JoJo in a video with a Black rapper, which I'm sure's got Middle America soiling their briefs.
Miss_wysteria,
Not much of an ONJ fan. She was just too virgin White woman sweet for my tastes (sort of a younger version of the dreadfully saccharine Doris Day).
But I used to dig the GoGo's. But not so much because of their music. Rather, because they made sort of a soft porn flick that got circulated. After then, I pretty much didn't care about how their music sound. Because I knew they were 'my kind of gals'. |
Moonsigns
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Post Number: 184
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 04:06 pm: |
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Abm,
I don't know I feel about the younger Simpson quite yet. I think they are both spoiled and that is definitely the mother's fault.
In general, I take issue with parents who allow their CHILDren to partake in the entertainment business, especially considering some of the lyrics they sing (or try to). Maybe some of the problems of todays youth would be solved if some parents weren't so messed up themselves --just maybe!
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Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 1187
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 04:16 pm: |
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Moonsigns,
Why do you limit the blame to their mom? Where's their father?
I tend to agree about kids and showbiz. I think the bizarre happenings within the entertainment business are TOO trying even for most adults to manage. So to subject children to that life borders on form of legalize child abuse. Almost every major child star at some point ends up screwed up.
With the reigning example of that phenomenon being, of course, Michael Jackson. |
Abm
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Post Number: 1188
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 04:17 pm: |
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Moonsigns,
Do White girls know how annoying other people, especially Black girls, find them to be? |
Moonsigns
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Post Number: 185
Registered: 07-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 06:29 pm: |
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Abm,
Of course I feel that both the parents are to blame. However, the mother moreso.
Let me tread lightly because I really don't know about his relationship with the Creator, however, I don't like how he talks all this stuff about God (and is his daughters manager) but permits Jessica to exploit herself --breasts up in everyone's faces....azz all hanging out. He manages her like a pin-up-girl and I think that lessens (in a way) his effectiveness as a "pastor", or whatever he claims to be. Basically, I think it is hypocritical.
The main reason I take issue with her mother is because women tend to be the main care givers and teachers of their offspring. We can't expect more from the mother because the father didn't aid her in raising the kids. I have serious problems with women who don't "train" their kids, even when the father is useless and spineless.
She is a perfect example of an "enabler". Her daughter Ashlee is what, 18 --19 at the most, and Jessica is in her early twenties. The two girls have both touted the fact that their mother "never" made them make their beds and clean their rooms, they never learned to cook and they have never done anything for themselves. In turn, the world has seen the rise of a seriously, spoiled brat. I wouldn't be proud of that.
I think women need to be very mindful of the exploitation of women in general. She talks all this Christian stuff and how Jessica was such the "pure virgin", yet, will allow her husband to manage her career like shes nothing but a sex-pot. If a mother doesn't care to honor her faith and protect her female child(ren), who will? Women need to stop bowing down to men, especially at the expense of their daughter's integrity, just so they can "make it big" in this capitalistic system. The whole thing is so sick to me.
While I would never want anyones marriage to fail, I will be very interested to see how this Hollywood "thing" works out. I don't watch their show on the regular, but the times I've (shortly) tuned it, Mr. JS seems so freakin' bothered by Mrs. JS "princess" mentality. I'm sure the sex is pretty good to him now, but wait down the road when that brother wants to be fed home, cooked food and not be bothered by someone who lacks self-sufficiency! I want to see how he deals with that "monster" then --when "cute" gets old!
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Moonsigns
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Abm,
About "annoying white girls" --I speak only from MY experience. I am but one white woman with one experience. Here is MY view on this.
Sure, SOME (very few) white women know they are annoying --and don't care. I believe that a majority of them don't know and still wouldn't care anyway. I feel that the average white women that I have met in MY lifetime aren't really concerned with the world around them. They are comfortable with their lifestyle and won't ever change.
However, on the flip side, I will also venture to say that there is a certain type of female (in general --regardless of race) who will make comments about other races of women. Usually, the black women who find white women annoying, are annoying to the white women they find annoying --it's an endless circle. I think it is usually stems from an unwillingness to accept culural differences, as well as frustration of not being understood and appreciated for those differences. I have been in social settings where I have witnessed both situations. It definitely goes both ways (this kind of thinking) and unfortunately, I don't think the mindset will ever change between certain types of women, as they will always find fault with one another and blame it on racial differences.
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Soulofaauthor
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Moon girl this is all I have to say everytime I think I might have misjudged one of your post.And then I say hey Leatha give the white girl another chance you always seem to amaze me again.Sis, white sis please reread your post and see if you can tell what's wrong with it.And it's cheating if the brotha tell's you what's wrong with it girl. |
Thumper
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Hello All,
Why are people call these young singers divas? Aretha got jewelry older than Jessica Simpson. How about we set a standard that in order to be a damn diva the artist has to be able to come to a mike and sing a cepalla...ON KEY and then judge from there. Alicia Keys (I love her), Lauryn Hill (I love her), India.Arie, Jill Scott, Mary J., Beyonce, all of them and then some simply aren't old enough to be a diva. Only Mary J. and Lauryn are half way there, but even they have some years to go.
If they are not The Four Horsemen: Aretha, Billie, Ella, or Sarah, why are we talking about them? These young ones don't have it. The industry have changed from having a sound (which only makes sense) to looking good. I can't put Janet Jackson's video in my Walkman and play it. ABM mentions Christina Aguliera. I like Christina but let's be real, everytime she opens her mouth and sing a note, she needs to write Whitney Houston a check! Christina and Celine Dion are the biggest style stealers in the music industry today! Both are the throw back to when the white men had Pat Boone record all of Little Richard's songs. Christina is the new Pat Boone. |
Moonsigns
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Post Number: 189
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SOA,
First of all, the question is such a broad, "blanket" one and I only have my opinion to share. Though I don't feel that way about black women (that they are annoying) I have been in social settings where I've overheard such comments coming from white women. In some of those cases, I have interjected. Now for that reason alone, I could ask the same question to Abm because I feel that there are just as many white women out there who feel annoyed by some black women. This GARBAGE goes both ways. That is my point --I could easily ask the same question.
While I have witnessed the annoying behavior he is talking about, I have been annoyed by certain behaviors/habits carried out by ALL races of humans --I don't think it is race specific.
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Miss_wysteria
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Moon...this "garbage" really does NOT go both ways...because White Women are the beneficiaries of White Supremacist BELIEF SYSTEMS and Privileage, and therefore, enjoy a STATUS right below the White Male which gives them power and autonomy in the sociey that black women do not have.
Black women, in fact, are the lowest on the food chain, and therefore, being HUMAN...does not factor into this animosity....because RACISM and its unique effect on Black Women is what the problem is.
Because the special unique RACISM that cripples the lives of Black Women....is DIFFERENT than the one that affects Black Men.....there is no one to Fight for the Black woman's plight (black men could give a shit about black women's special struggle in a world that does not ALLOW the "Black Man's Mother" to exist in her pure, natural state)...and therefore, what you are claiming goes both ways....is yet another indication of your White Naive-ness and your inability to accept the fact that you are part of the problem....and NOT YET part of the solution.
You can't fight against Colorism, as you've claimed to wish to do...if you can't first understand who Colorism predominately effects and how that affectation creates INJUSTICE in the society that breeds contempt and hate---contempt and hate that are justified (I am not a Christian--and believe in KILLING anyone who is against my children, including the white people's GOD).
And although I am Generalizing here...I think the word "annoyed" is much too weak a word to describe the dehumanization and RAGE that black women feel (and rightfully so) at the racist acceptance that pits the White woman as "normal and superior" ....and renders the Black woman as "defective and inferior".
This is not about ALL RACES...and this is where I have a major problem with you, Moonsigns, because the evil of White Supremacist Privileage that White Women ENJOY...SUPPORT AND PROTECT...does not allow Black Women to exert power over the lives of white women or give Black women the means to decide whether black children even get born, get loved or are "humanized" or not---which, in a fair world, would be their God given right.
This White Supremacist Privileage can be "borrowed" (to an extent) by Black Women.....if they are born mixed race...and to a lesser degree if they are...lightskinned.
The lighter and less African-haired the mixed raced female is...the MORE she is allowed to partake in the spoils of White Supremacy...COLORISM....and the more she is valued by society in general...AND...AND...the more she is acknowledged by White Women as a fellow woman.
The HYPOCRACY...of the WHITE WOMAN has always been that she loudly declares herself a lover of the human race--liberally helping the black male to fight racism and injustice......YET.....she continues to EXPLOIT, EXPECT and DEMAND that her own Racist Superiority Status be left intact...so that she can calm her "GUILT" (racially) by sacrificing her body and her time to those poor masses of Black People out there...who she thinks she is doing a favor....by breeding with them and destroying them and REMAKING them in a Whiter/Brighter IMage that is more appealing to her own Colorist sensibilities....as well as regenerational of her own position....as White Human with Status.
Most tragically--Black men kill the soul of black women by also Buying into and SUPPORTING and PROTECTING this Evil Racist system that White Women benefit from and DEMAND as their right....because White Women, the majority of them, really do believe in their heart of hearts that they are Superior to Black Women and that....that's just the way it is.
And not only do they believe they (WW) are just naturally superior to the Black Woman...but they generally have the Black Man as their ally to reinforce these notions by his World Famous and Well Known "Color Caste System" by which he judges the WORTH per shade and hair texture of his own black women. Rarely, if ever, do we see a Black Male LEADER or Wealthy Black Male married to an authentic black woman like Alfre Woodard or Cicely Tyson. The world's VAST MAJORITY of BLACK WOMEN...being of this authentic look.....and yet, the vast majority of powerful or rich black men have Co-Opted the belief that Whiteness/and Lightness are SUPERIOR and must be aquired...so that HE....can have status...and give birth to children who are LESS BLACK and therefore....MORE HUMAN...than the actual Black Human Beings that God filled Africa with from day one.
Of course, WHITE WOMEN...and HIGH LIGHT BLACK WOMEN will tell you (along with black men) that the reason for this SEGREGATION within the black race (and yes, race is a social construct--one that I appreciate)....is because, according to WHITE WOMEN, Lightskinned Black Women and MOST Black men.....the darker black women are just BORN with "bad attitudes", "less attractive", "lazy, not good mothers", "materialistic"....just plain BLACK and EVIL.
Reminds you things the Slave Master would say, doesn't it???
I really do accept White women as friends, Moonsigns (although, in my true heart---I would NEVER accept one as my 'sister' or call her that with sincerity).....but I most definitely feel resentment towards White Women for their HYPOCRACY and their SELFISHNESS and for the fact that if we really were their sisters....then they have betrayed us (black women) and built their whole lives off of our pain and sorrow and even stolen and hogged up our own humanity...so that they could have someone to look down on and to make them FEEL superior.
In my opinion---"White women ain't shit." And I am generalizing as I said...but that's really the rage I feel, MOON...I think of white women as a bunch of two-faced WHITE BITCHES....and I make sure to say it in public as loud and as often as possible, because I want my sons--when I am dead--to know what I FELT about this injustice in society.
Like my Dinka Aunt back in Sudan used to say about White women: "Everything she has, including what she thinks of herself, is at the expense of someone else."
THAT...
THAT is why...black women feel such rage and derision for White women....and the fact is, THEY SHOULD feel that way.....and every time a black man comes whining to me about "black women hate black men".....I always say back to him, "THEY SHOULD HATE YOU. I don't blame them."
Because I don't.
It's funny how when I said that Black men have BETRAYED black women and killed their own mother-----you immediately thought it had something to do with you and your interracial marriage.
NO.
It has to do with the fact that he will fight for HIS humanity, and have the black woman fight right alongside him for HIS HUMANITY.....but will not only fail to fight for the black woman's humanity....but will even join others (like white women) in demeaning, disrespecting and dehumanizing the black woman.
You really think it goes both ways....but no.
We black women don't have the power to destroy and bastardize your race.
But as I said in another post....what we CAN DO...is kill you.
We can give birth to a NEW son and to a new black child.
And we can KILL you.
And as an African woman, not a Black American woman, but an African....I will kill GOD and set your white body and your white children at the bottom of the SEA...before I see my black babies dead.
And that is a NEW thought in the mind of African women...but that is the BEST thought....we've ever had.
It's not HUMANITY that White Woman want.
It's White Female Dominance and Privileage...just as they've always wanted and TOOK FOR GRANTED.
But like I said....your white SISTERS...are coming off their pedestals...because we're going to KNOCK them off.
And any man...black or white....that rises up to fight for the White Man's Mother, will find my sons slitting his throat as well.
I am SICK of selfish, two faced white bitches.
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Cynique
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Moonsigns, I'm curious, maybe you've mentioned this and I missed it. But do you have any close black female friends in real life? And are you at odds with them the same as you are with the black females on this board? You are fightin a losing battle here. Black is Black and White is White and the history of this is still too raw for healing. You can't be the doctor; at this point, you can only be the patient. |
Lambd
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Dayyum! |
Miss_wysteria
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Post Number: 102
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MOONSIGNS, let me clarify:
My post was directed at YOU personally.
I was not "telling you out"--.
I was responding to this question of ABM's (which was a SNIDE question that really doesn't do justice to what "Black Girls" actually feel in a world in which everybody, including black men, systematically discount the VALUE of black female humanity and place White Femaleness above it and SOLELY because of race and racial procreation in a colorist society).
I am expressing to you my rage at WHITE WOMEN as a "group"...and am "generalizing".
It still stands that I appreciate your DESIRE to forge a healthy, loving relationship with Black People. I believe you are genuine in that.
But part of doing that is being well aware of the LEGITIMATE resentment that so many black women harbor and their need (for the sake of black children's survival) to exclude those power structures which are threatening and harmful--such as White women who think they're doing us a favor, when the reality is...you are further dividing us.
As yourself---MOON---I certainly do have fond feelings for you, and enjoy being in the process of building a friendship. I like you.
But I don't agree with you on this issue.
Everything is not FINE...at all. Racially. And the birth of your children and your marriage is not making it BETTER or creating HOPE. It is not at all simplistic as you state---because White Women have a BLIND SPOT when it comes Black Women and Black Women's true feelings.
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Moonsigns
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Post Number: 190
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, September 11, 2004 - 02:18 pm: |
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Cynique,
Of course I have black female friends in "real life". The black women I am close with come from all different backrounds (mostly American born though), but tend to feel the same way I do about many things --same values, morals, concepts on childrearing/responsibility etc.). We have racial discussions on occassion, but it is not the focus of our relationship(s).
This is a prime example of miscommunication and disrespect (for individuals) at it's greatest level, which breeds hate and that which breeds death --on both sides of the coin and in all ways (spiritual, mental, emotional and physical). My heart will always remain hopeful and I don't wish to kill others for my rights.
Although there are white women out there as wysteria has described, I am not a thing like that. What I am does not come at the expense of other women. It never has and it never will. If people want the benefit of the doubt, they too, must be willing to give the same thing of others --if not, we have this and will always have this.
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Moonsigns
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Post Number: 191
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, September 11, 2004 - 02:44 pm: |
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wysteria,
I'm glad you clarified the fact that you aren't "telling me out". It would be unjust to think I should carry the weight of every white woman on the planet.
Because I have the mindset I do, I understand that you are conveying your pain and I can respect that. While I appreciate your honesty, I also don't trust your unreconciled rage --it's far too dangerous.
I have a really, really hard time dealing with people who are so willingly to kill for their own rights --regardless of race.
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Miss_wysteria
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Post Number: 103
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, September 11, 2004 - 02:49 pm: |
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But MOON, we're not talking about YOU.
We're talking about WHITE WOMEN.
For instance there are 112 million white Women in the United States and 27 million Black Women.
I have already pointed out that I don't think you're LIKE these other white women...I DO BELIEVE you to be genuine in your desire to connect and having a loving relationship with ALL people.
The problem is, have you adequately realized the SCOPE and Magnitude of Black People's struggle---and the fact that it's far from over.
And after 500 years of whites Killing and Disrespecting and doing whatever it takes to murder, enslave and colonize Black Lives....how on earth do you now suddenly erase and be done with killing???
Killing is a very real and true means to CHANGE.
Nothing EVER dies.
Especially for the dis-possessed and the dis-allowed. Hate comes from deep, deep anger and hurt.
How could you possibly not understand the HATE that your people have put inside black people?
How can you deny the HATE that black children will feel for YOUR children when they see that "color" sees to it that your children are treated better (because they have a WHITE mother) and they get to enjoy the benefits of an UNJUST racial society?
And those black women friends of yours....are they really BLACK or just imitation American "niggerstock" created by the White Supremacist system that encapsulates your life with comfort and privileage?
Be honest MOON.
I dare say...that I think the TRUTH....is that you're a very nice, sweet, sensitive well meaning person who happens to be WHITE and fell in love with a black man (for whatever combination of reasons)...but who is naive about the layers and layers of suffering and destruction that has been visited on the black psyche----and how that IMPACTS the social relations btween us.
For black women, our lives are not as comfy as yours--therefore, we still have to battle for our rights and to take you off your pedestal.
We who are FULLY black women...are devalued and not even considered WOMEN, let alone HUMAN...by a multitude of people, systems and age old stereotypes.
What should we do...wait to get ours in Heaven?
GOD IS NOT AN INDIVIDUAL, Moon. The entire human race is part of GOD.
You can't service individuals and ignore the fact that your children have "white status" and mines "do not".
It doesn't matter what YOU'RE like....in the giant scope of White women vs. Black women.
Black American Women need to shake this slave mentality and this idiotic Christian and Muslim religions....and GIVE BIRTH TO A NEW SON...one who honors, cherishes and respects THEIR HUMANITY (above yours)....children who will fight and KILL for their black mother's right to exist...and to exist as herself, as God made her.
Not as some feather-headed half white Imitation of a Black woman.
It has NOTHING to do....with you.
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Miss_wysteria
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Post Number: 104
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But I'm not a former slave, MOON. I'm your equal.
So of course I'm willing and ready to KILL for my own rights....just as YOU KILLED (historically) to take those rights away from me.
Save Jesus Christ for yourselves this time.
Because of course I'm dangerous.
I intend to destroy White Supremacist Systems and to restore my Black Sons and Daughters to their rightful place as Human Beings on Earth.
Many of your white children (all over the world) will have to die or accept JUSTICE in order for that to happen.
Why can't you SEE that this is the only way that you and I can ever really become sisters?
Only...Equality and Justice can make us sisters.
And why can't you see that if your people are not willing to give it over, and in good time.....then they should be ripped from throat to anus and lain out for ants to eat?
A slave, a dehumanized individual...should ALWAYS rise up and slit his master's throat and bash in the heads of the newborn infants of his codicile. What other way is there to purge this evil from the world...than to own it for ourselves?
Why do you fear black women talking of Killing...when that's ALL white people have ever talked about and done?
I raise my sons on the importance of KILLING--and that includes killing Niggers and burning down churches and mosques.
I'm an average black girl ....and I'm tired.
It doesn't mean I'm against.....YOU, MOON.
In fact, you'll be the one to explain to your people why all this killing and murder is necessary...so that we can have CHANGE....and so that we can have Equality, Justice...and at last...PEACE.
I don't subscribe to Men's religions or to White people's sentimentality.
And I really am FOR YOU, Moon.
Not against you.
***Smile****
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Miss_wysteria
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Post Number: 105
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, September 11, 2004 - 03:21 pm: |
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I am an African woman: I WANT..MY BLACK..BABIES.
And I want them....BLACK.
Why is that so impossible for HUMANS to
comprehend?
GOD IS NOT AN INDIVIDUAL.
KILLING is a very real and true means of bringing about CHANGE.
NOTHING..ever DIES.
The whole destruction and submission of my people (the blacks of this earth)...was carried out SUCCESSFULLY....by KILLING...MY black babies.
Why is it...when BLACKS are ready to do some killing...then we have to hear all this Jesus Christ bullshit and love b.s.?
I don't want to hear from Jesus Christ or nice well meaning white women or Black men with EXCUSES.
I WANT...my black babies.
And I believe in KILLING that which is against my black babies...or does not nourish ME.
WHAT COULD BE MORE HUMAN????
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Moonsigns
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Post Number: 192
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, September 11, 2004 - 04:41 pm: |
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"In fact, you'll be the one to explain to your people why all this killing and murder is necessary." -wysteria
Wrong! This is YOUR doctrine, not mine --and never will be mine!!!!!!! True justice and peace doesn't come at the expense of killing very innocent people. I think your thinking is no different than any other bigot walking this earth. Your desire to have your God-given rights is just, but your methods and theory to going about it is irrational, unpeaceful, inhumane and just plain crazy!
Goodbye wysteria
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Miss_wysteria
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Post Number: 106
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Well Moonsigns...
I am so glad that you met your match.
You can talk the shit...but can't mold the tangible pillar, I see.
Another White Woman whose collar wrinkles at the thought that she might be yanked off her comfy porch (veranda) and have the shit whooped out of her by the local nigras.
You might as well cry out: "I've always been good to you people!"
As a white woman, MOON--you have a lot of damn nerve calling me ---"irrational, unpeaceful, inhumane and just plain crazy!"
That's all YOUR WHITE WOMB has ever brought upon the earth...is inhumanity, deception and insane evil violence. But since the victims have always been MY BLACK BABIES...you forget,forget.
Or has coiling up in the fetal position with a black man and his nappy negro balls helped you to conveniently pretend that you come from someplace else?
Goodbye is right.
But just remember that every "goodbye" ain't gone. And your taste of Spirit Gum has JUST BEGUN.
Don't look back: THE PAST...IT's GAINING ON YOU.
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Moonsigns
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Post Number: 193
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, September 11, 2004 - 06:48 pm: |
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wysteria,
This isn't a game. No "one-ups" are necessary. I have always said that black women need their voice to be heard and white women need to listen. You have shared your story and words and I have willingly and sincerely listened. If I didn't know any better about white supremacy, I would take every word, even the ones you unknowingly write about myself and spouse, personally. However, I have always known you were/are in pain and that in my heart of heart, I'm not the one to blame. I may be a symbol, but greater, I am a part of God's image, just like you. Knowing that you have come from a place that has been brutally raped of it's culture and beauty (in all ways) I assumed you would war on different terms --I assumed you would choose to take a "higher road" than those that have brutally oppressed you and your people. If you are content in choosing methods that will make you become the very thing you despise, you are no better than your oppressors (I have shared this with you before). I would hope better for you.
My ability to reach out to you was not birthed from a white, evil womb. Just as you are not what some people make you to be, or socialize others to believe, either am I. You can't, as I can't of you, accuse me of crimes that I didn't commit. It is unjust.
I don't live to fear what man can do to my mortal body. My faith gives me an eternal place of rest where I will forget the pain and suffering of this earth. Man is perverted and for every person that sheds innocent blood knowingly and willingly, I pray to God that the voices and eyes of those brutalized will forever haunt their sleep until they atone for their wickedness.
I will continue to pray for your people. I will continue to pray for your peace. Know that God will send you people who will help you do your work, just be willingly to understand that the very thing you struggle and fight against (colorism) is the way God will deal with you --God will send you those you never, humanly expected, to be your closet companions in sharing your purpose in this lifetime. God works this way to constantly remind us of our humaness. There are indeed people who care more than your heart is willingly to believe at this moment in time.
As always, may you find a tranquil balance between your love/passion for your people and your love of humanity. Peace is fragile!
I will continue to pray for you!
Love always wins!
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Moonsigns
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Post Number: 194
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, September 11, 2004 - 06:59 pm: |
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And the priestess spoke again and said:
"Speak to us of Reason and Passion."
And he answered saying:
Your soul is oftentimes a battlefield, upon which your reason and your judgement wage war against passion and your appetite.
Would that I could be a peacemaker in your soul, that I might turn the discord and the rivarly of your elements into oneness and melody.
But how shall I, unless you yourselves be also the peacemakers, nay, the lovers of all your elements?
Your reason and your passion are the rudder and the sails of your seafaring soul.
If either your sails or our rudder be broken, you can but toss and drift, or else be held at a standstill in mid-seas.
For reason, ruling alone, is a force confining; and passion, unattended, is a flame that burns to it's own destruction.
Therefore, let your soul exalt your reason to the height of passion; that it may sing.
And let it direct your passion with reason, that your passion may live through its own daily resurrection, and like the phoenix rise above its own ashes.
I would have you consider your judgment and your appetite even as you would two loved guests in your house.
Surely you would not honour one guest above the other, for her who is more mindful of one loses the love and the faith of both.
Among the hills, when you sit in the cool shade of the white poplars, sharing the peace and serenity of distant fields and meadows -then let your heart say in silence, "God rests in reason."
And when the storm comes, and the mighty wind shakes the forest, and thunder and lightning proclaim the majesty of the sky, -then let your heart say in awe, "God moves in passion."
And since you are a breath In God's sphere, and a leaf in God's forest, you too should rest in reason and move in passion."
-Kahlil Gibran
Peace be!
-Moonsigns
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Miss_wysteria
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Yes....MY LOVE FOR MY CHILDREN...AND MY PEOPLE...will certainly win.
And as I noted before...when confronted by the (black rebuke)...WHITE WOMEN tend to immediately envoke "God", "love", "Praying for me"....things old Miss Lily would say on the Plantation as if that changed anything.
I wish you peace, love and happiness..for yourself...because I really like you, MOON.
I do, honestly.
But I'm still disappointed (and not surprised) that you have no SOLUTIONS or REAL SOCIAL VISION for "hurt, angry black girls" but the bullshit old standbys of....Heaven, WHITE COMPASSION and God.....as if black people don't already have plenty of that.
What we need is justice, clarity and CHANGE. And that's what I demand.
A_Womon was right when she said that you can't handle the arguments and opinions on race that you throw out...you become weak and hide behind GOD...because the truth is...you don't GIVE A SHIT about black women and what they feel, think or believe. You're a White Woman...so you don't have to...and THAT is your REAL position.
Yes, God moves in Passion and Reason.
But...slitting the throats of my oppressors also comes from passion and reason and GOD has certainly sanctioned enough of it--when it was your RIGHTEOUS white hands doing it, and for you...it certainly did pay off.
And what good is YOUR love...when it comes from your pity, your arrrogance and doesn't do me any good?
Think about that....while you sit in the shade of the "white poplars"....rubbing, shaping and distilling through the prism husband of your husband's Mantlepiece...your privileaged ignorance.
Don't look back: THE PAST...IT'S GAINING ON YOU.
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Miss_wysteria
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....because the truth is...you don't GIVE A SHIT about black women and what they feel, think or believe. You're a White Woman...so you don't have to...and THAT is your REAL position.
A flat:
la la la---laaaaaah
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Abm
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Miss_wysteria,
If all Whites are evil, Black men are lilly-livered sell-outs and even GOD is the enemy of Black women, where will you turn, what will you do and how will you continue to be? |
Abm
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Wiss,
Perhaps when science has perfected cloning/genome techiques, you mighty Black women can reproduce your pure/perfected selves without the the benefit of us utterly weak and useless Black men. Then, you can make your own 'GOD' and kill the rest of us off.
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Miss_wysteria
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ABM...stop taking my words OUT OF CONTEXT...and stop changing the meaning of what I'm saying....to what your INSECURITY wants it to project.
I have given birth to 2 black sons by a WONDERFUL black man.
That is NOT the issue raised in this discussion.
You think that because "I" have a wonderful black man...I should stop caring about the fact that 80% of BLACK WOMEN DO NOT?????
SOCIAL and NATIONAL issues were raised with regard to black women's position and status in this society and HOW those realities create RAGE, frustration and ALIENATION. "Hostilities".
My life experience...is FAR AND AWAY from the life experiences of the average everyday black woman trying to life and survive in this society.
When I speak about them and about my GENERAL role and beliefs in the larger scheme of things...I cannot do so from a LEXXUS window or a Cristal Glass.
And when I speak of GOD in this context, I am speaking of the WHITE INVADER GOD and the GOD OF SEXISM and the GOD OF THE PENIS.
All the GODs that can go straight to hell and take MoonSigns and YOU with them.
I demand a NEW GOD. One who loves ME. And just as you all made up your GODs to justify your status and human-ness...I can make up MINES.
And you of all people ....should be intelligent enough to know exactly what I meant.
Don't come bitching at me, ABM...after I've had it out with a white girl that I genuinely liked--but who can't accept the fact that I will never MUTE my "truth" in aquiescense to hers. She stated her case...and I disagreed it.
She sang "We Are the World". I sang, "A Change Is Gonna Come".
And YOU, a black man, will not speak for black women on this matter. Because you don't have the HONESTY..or the insight...to do so.
Let MOONSIGNS defend herself...let MOONSIGNS defend HERSELF...and whatever my opinion is of Black Men...I EARNED that, too.
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Moonsigns
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While I don't have all the answers to certain social ills, I do know that killing is not a solution that should be regarded as reasonable, and is definitely not developed in the mind of a brilliant "visionary". It doesn't take courage, intelligence, patience, peace, love and resepct to kill. A person, any person, who resorts to violence as a means to subdue and make those around them conform to certain beliefs, has simply exhausted their intelligent, constructive resources. Violence is always a negative force.
Naturally and sadly, this tells the story of the condition of humanity.
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Abm
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Miss_wysteria,
Do you recall to whom it is you speak? Surely you can not. For if you do, then I must ask what be the source of the folly that your pen doth wrought?
I am not taking anything out of context. You are by articulating a viewpoint that appears to be intended to cover all those "80% of BLACK WOMEN" and I am offering a rebuttal to that viewpoint.
Moreover, I have NO reason to feel insecure about ANYTHING.
HELL!
I am taking care of Black women all over the f@#$ing place. I am feeding, educating, clothing, housing, employing...screwing with MAXIMUM proficiency and aplomb. So please do not project your boilerplate castigations upon me, as here they simply DO NO APPLY.
I am eminently aware of all the righteous hostility/anger that Black women feel. I bear witness to it in a myriad ways. But, in the end, I would ask you and them...what will you make of it?
What will you do?
Will spewing fire and damnation at any and all light the way to your salvation?
I think not.
This has nothing to do with Moonsigns. Or any of her kind. She and they are NOTHING here.
Frankly, this problem existed when Moonsigns knew nothing of African and ignorantly huddled naked in caves. This is about me and you.
You women are all the wives, mothers, lover and sisters to us woeforgotten Black men. History is proven to time immemorable that one great mother, one noble wife is worth countless men. So then, where have you been? What have you done?
Why do I dwindle and die the very moment that I am expectorated from your spiteful womb?
No Mother. It is You who forgets your place!
I am your son and father, your Sire...your King. How DARE you speak this way to ME. To ME! May the mouth from which that tongue speak be curse for merely uttering such.
You would do your soul and spirit well young daughter to remember your place, embrace what you are...and respect who I am.
Because you will go no further than do I! |
Miss_wysteria
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ABM...your two BLACK daughters...had better THANK GOD...
...that Kola the Killer is raising two BLACK MEN...who may someday be the only black men they can put up with, TRUST, marry and be UNDERSTOOD by...AND...see their own reflection in.
So stop attacking me.
I don't care what you do/have done for Black Women!!
You're still a sexist pig and you're still not doing ENOUGH, nigga.
Now go put your head in Moonsigns' lap and whine about that shit. And tell her that an evil black African bitch who KILLS (that would be me)...DROVE POOR LITTLE YOU AWAY from the hut.
And keep your ass over there!
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Abm
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Miss_wysteria,
I will await the company of your sons. And pray that you have made them strong and true as you exclaim. May they indeed be worthy of that which was made from ME. And woe be on to them...and YOU if they are not.
For I have raise royalty. Beautiful, brillant, kind, charming and humourous. You should see how they are admired and pursued.
Of their glorious future I have no doubt...whether they ever make the acquaintance of that which comes from you.
I would be kind.
But, amid all of your self-righteous fire/bluster, I would STILL have my way with Moonsigns. And then I would with you. And then again with her. And yet I again I would with you. You would both know...and be pleased.
Were that of MINE OWN choosing.
And you know this. |
Miss_wysteria
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Well thanks for taking sides ABM.
I didn't expect it.
But thanks.
You rotten son of a bitch!
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Abm
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There is no "side" here that is not of MY own making.
I am the the only "SIDE"! |
Moonsigns
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"I would STILL have my way with Moonsigns." -Abm
I'm going to pull a Cynique.
say what? |
Miss_wysteria
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BULL, ABM. You came here to take MOON's side---because you didn't like the WAY that I was giving my opinion (or my Stick-to-iveness, I'm assuming you agreed with MOON and somehow missed the fact that her posts were just as Self-righteous and ABSOLUTE as mines).
..and as you said...what I FEEL (and expressed, as is my right) about relations between Black Women and white women and black women and black men....INSULTED YOU...
so you had to come to the rescue MOON, because how dare some One-sided, egotistical, nothing but a Black Bitch Tyrant spill her guts, feelings and emotions JUST THE WAY SHE FEELS IT...and have her say...and get away with that.
MOON stook to her position (as a typical white woman--we already knew what THAT was, she even wrapped it in flowery religious language)....and I stook to my position.
And now that you've basically made it clear that...MY OPINION IS WRONG...and that I'm an Egotistical Holier than thou DICTATOR for giving my opinion and sticking to it (as if I stopped anybody else from chiming in)...you're here to put me in my place...on behalf of poor little MOON.
But you're fucking with the wrong bitch, ABM, and you KNOW IT.
Your opinion is yours--I respect that.
But don't come in here telling me what I CAN SAY...how to say it...or instructing me on what my opinion should be.
And especially don't come in here telling me whose life you'd give yours to save...because I don't hold your negro backstabbing black MALE ass no higher than the white two faced "apostle" you're here to defend and protect.
You can both step the fuck off and go straight to hell.
My loyalty is to my womb and I could cheer both your rotten asses slit open and stone-driven to the bottom of the sea.
Just like you told me: "You're nothing to me anymore."
And I...Black Woman...will live through that, too.
Pain is the one thing we know by heart.
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Thumper
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Hello All,
ABM: Uh Huh. ABM, I knoooow, you ain't goin to let that stand. Handle your business dawg. *munching on some popcorn* *whispering to Lambd "Yo, can I get a diet coke? I dont want to miss a thing.* Tell her ABM, WOMAN! BOW before your KAAANG!! |
Miss_wysteria
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Wiss Said:
When I was a teen MOON...I really loved The GoGo's and especially.....Olivia Newton John.
People in my neighborhood used to make fun of me, because I had this mega-thick accent and could always be found swaying and singing, "You have ta believe we are MAAAGIC--nothing can stand in our way"..
Wiss Said:
I wish you peace, love and happiness..for yourself...because I really like you, MOON.
I do, honestly.
Wiss said:
1) Most tragically--Black men kill the soul of black women by also Buying into and SUPPORTING and PROTECTING this Evil Racist system that White Women benefit from and DEMAND as their right....because White Women, the majority of them, really do believe in their heart of hearts that they are Superior to Black Women and that....that's just the way it is.
And not only do they believe they (WW) are just naturally superior to the Black Woman...but they generally have the Black Man as their ally to reinforce these notions by his World Famous and Well Known "Color Caste System" by which he judges the WORTH per shade and hair texture of his own black women and is in denial about this even though the WHOLE WORLD...can see IT...and how it kills the "spirit and joy" of black women.
Wiss Said:
2) PAIN is the One thing we know by heart.
Wiss Said:
2) I demand a NEW GOD. One who loves ME. And just as you all made up your GODs to justify your status and human-ness...I can make up MINES.
Wiss Said:
3) But I'm still disappointed (and not surprised) that MOON-girl has no SOLUTIONS or REAL SOCIAL VISION for "hurt, angry black girls" but the old b.s. standbys of....Heaven, WHITE COMPASSION and God.....as if black people don't already have plenty of that.
What we need is justice, clarity and CHANGE. And that's what I demand.
4) And as I noted before...when confronted by the (black rebuke)...WHITE WOMEN tend to immediately envoke "God", "love", "Praying for me"....things old Miss Lily would say on the Plantation as if that changed anything.
5) My loyalty is to my womb
6) I WANT...MY BLACK BABIES.
And I believe in KILLING that which is against my black babies...or does not nourish ME.
WHAT COULD BE MORE HUMAN????
7) Black women, in fact, are the lowest on the food chain,
8) Because the special unique RACISM that cripples the lives of Black Women....is DIFFERENT than the one that affects Black Men.....there is no one to Fight for the Black woman's plight (black men could give a shit about black women's special struggle in a world that does not ALLOW the "Black Man's Mother" to exist in her pure, natural state)...
8) Like my Dinka Aunt back in Sudan used to say about White women: "Everything she has, including what she thinks of herself, is at the expense of someone else."
MOON SAID:
9) And when the storm comes, and the mighty wind shakes the forest, and thunder and lightning proclaim the majesty of the sky, -then let your heart say in awe, "God moves in passion."
And since you are a breath In God's sphere, and a leaf in God's forest, you too should rest in reason and move in passion."
-Kahlil Gibran
Peace be!
-Moonsigns
MOONSIGNS said:
10) wysteria,
This isn't a game. No "one-ups" are necessary. I have always said that black women need their voice to be heard and white women need to listen. You have shared your story and words and I have willingly and sincerely listened. If I didn't know any better about white supremacy, I would take every word, even the ones you unknowingly write about myself and spouse, personally. However, I have always known you were/are in pain and that in my heart of heart, I'm not the one to blame.
11) our soul is oftentimes a battlefield, upon which your reason and your judgement wage war against passion and your appetite.
Would that I could be a peacemaker in your soul, that I might turn the discord and the rivarly of your elements into oneness and melody.
WISS SAID:
12) Why do you fear black women talking of Killing...when that's ALL white people have ever talked about and done?
13) But MOON, we're not talking about YOU.
We're talking about WHITE WOMEN.
For instance there are 112 million white Women in the United States and 27 million Black Women.
I have already pointed out that I don't think you're LIKE these other white women...I DO BELIEVE you to be genuine in your desire to connect and having a loving relationship with ALL people.
The problem is, have you adequately realized the SCOPE and Magnitude of Black People's struggle---and the fact that it's far from over.
14) But I'm not a former slave, MOON. I'm your equal.
So of course I'm willing and ready to KILL for my own rights....just as YOU KILLED (historically) to take those rights away from me.
15) And what good is YOUR love...when it comes from your pity, your arrrogance and doesn't do me any good?
16) ....because the truth is...you don't GIVE A SHIT about black women and what they feel, think or believe. You're a White Woman...so you don't have to...and THAT is your REAL position.
MOONSIGNS said:
17) My mother has always liked Anita Baker and got me started on her music. I've always enjoyed her gift.
WISS said:
18) I still play OLIVIA'S Greatest Hits or Diana Ross's "Eaten Alive" CD when I go walking at night.
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Miss_wysteria
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But I'm not a former slave, MOON. I'm your equal.
So of course I'm willing and ready to KILL for my own rights....just as YOU KILLED (historically) to take those rights away from me.
Save Jesus Christ for yourselves this time.
Because of course I'm dangerous.
I intend to destroy White Supremacist Systems and to restore my Black Sons and Daughters to their rightful place as Human Beings on Earth.
Many of your white children (all over the world) will have to die or accept JUSTICE in order for that to happen.
Why can't you SEE that this is the only way that you and I can ever really become sisters?
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Miss_wysteria
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As yourself---MOON---I certainly do have fond feelings for you, and enjoy being in the process of building a friendship. I like you.
But I don't agree with you on this issue.
Everything is not FINE...at all. Racially. And the birth of your children and your marriage is not making it BETTER or creating HOPE. It is not at all simplistic as you state---because White Women have a BLIND SPOT when it comes Black Women and Black Women's true feelings.
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Moonsigns
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wysteria,
You keep saying it is not about me, however, keep referring to every situation saying, "You" --do A, B, and C. Well if it's not about me, I ask, how many other white women isn't this about?
Be angry and voice your opinion, you have every right, but the moment you say your "killing" will cause equality and justice, hence, make us "sisters", I think your THEORY is completely crazy. How you feel about white women now, that is how white women will feel about you when you kill for your rights, hence, the circle of destruction continues, at your hands at that. If you can carry the weight of becoming the evil you despise, so be it. If that is your path, you are no different than those "SOME whites". Though you aren't one in color, you will share the same cold heart. I will pray that your dreams be haunted as well --the wicked shall know no rest. I pray that for any wicked heart, regardless of what "color" house they reside in.
I just want to see life instead of death. I want to see integrity rise up. It isn't simplistic, but death only makes it more complicated. In telling you this, I don't fear for myself. I value my life, but I also love GOD beyond any human measure. I only say these things because it is a reflection of my heart. I think you have incredible, justified convictions. My hope is that as a WOMAN, you would use your influence wisely --that you would be constructive rather than destructive.
Power and life to those who choose peace, whoever they may be, regardless of where they may be, and whatever gender, race and faith they may be!
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Moonsigns
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wysteria,
btw, Abm, based on the merit that I'm white, cannot just come "lay his head on my lap". That is just your anger talking because it IS really NOT like that at all! He may disagree with you for his own reasons, but it definitely is not because I'm white. Wysteria, there are a lot, a lot of black folks out there who would think your concept to be "out there".
So please, just give it a rest.
I don't think you are a "one-sided, egotistical, nothing but a black bytch tyrant" either (ALL YOUR WORDS). I can listen to you, but when I'm not thinking like that at all, why do you make yourself angry with such thoughts? Why say mean-spirited things when I'm not even like what you describe?
Forgot to answer this --you asked why I fear a black woman talking about killing because that is all whites have done?
I say:
That is not "all" whites have done. While your justified in your anger, there is definitely a bigger picture. You paint every white with this evil brush, when in reality, just as you weren't a slave, I was never a slave owner, as were NONE of my people! I know you are my equal and would love to work TOGETHER for peace, rather than war. I'm a firm believer in peace!
I take just as much issue with whites who are evil, as any other race/color of people that are. I just want to see people with integrity rise up.
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Miss_wysteria
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O.K. Moon.
I promise I won't kill anybody.
And I apologize for holding you personally responsible for every white woman on earth (which you are not) and for unfairly using you as a Penyatta Symbol representing all the white bitches that have pissed me off or infuriated me since birth.
You gave me Skin Brushes and Uba oil, so you don't deserve my attack....and I AM SORRY. I apologize.
Although,like ABM, I think you're WAYYY too intelligent not to get the METAPHOR that I'm using and what I really mean by these rants when I say "GOD" and "Kill". I don't care whether YOU like the metaphor or not...the fact is...I LIKE IT, because it doesn't leave you any room to be confused.
And on this issue of White women's "similar" annoyance with Black women for..."similar reasons"....I just totally and emphatically disagree.
Black women's "annoyance" is totally and COMPLETELY different from White women's and it comes from a much DEEPER place..and one far more justified. There's no way that you could know GOD...and not know that.
I think you're naive and I resent that your status as WHITE WOMAN allows you to be naive.
As well...part of me despises you just because you're white and I generally loathe two faced white bitches and don't allow them in my life and have made it a point to call their asses out in public every chance I get.
But then again...I really like you, too.
So...I hope we're done arguing and I'm sorry we had to go here. But when white women start admonishing and commenting on the "attitude" of black women...it makes my blood boil, because in my heart of hearts...I know damned well that White Women couldn't last 2 hours in our shoes.
And I'm sick of the injustice and the hypocracy of it all....and I'm sick of Black men who never could defend African or Black American women when we NEEDED them....always conveniently running to the defense of some white bitch....who the WHITE MALE society automatically protects FROM ME in the first place.
But that's all I have to say.
I'm really not against you and your man, kids, etc....but, being that you're white, I just wanted you to have warning....that I believe in KILL-ing anybody who's against mines.
"I give...what I get."
That's all I'm saying.
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Miss_wysteria
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....and I'm sick of Black men who never could defend African or Black American women when we NEEDED them....always conveniently running to the defense of some white bitch....who the WHITE MALE society automatically protects FROM ME in the first place. |
Carey
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******BIG BIIIGGG LAUGH*******
Thump, you cracked me up! Man, I could just see you pointing your finger and hunchin'and smilin' and just stirrin that pot. Booooy, you sometin' else..........but it was funny as hell!
AAHHH, where......where did ABM go? I KNOW, he ain't even gonna let ol'ko......ol'wis......Miss Thang, get away with THAT!!! NO NO! Come on M, jack up your slacks and get you some brotha...../.Pssst Thump, hand me some of that corn........what you think ol'boy gonna do....huh, I got my money on A_Women, wait...where did that come from...okay, oh hell pass that popcorn man. But really, you think ol'A is down for the count. Look at Ms. Wiss over there just grinin' like the warrior who has just raped the queen. Move over Thump, you hoggin' all the room ***
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Abm
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Moonsigns,
Put a lil’ pep in your step, 'Polly'. It should have been clear by the tone/texture of what has been referred to here that you were being mentioned not as a person but as an emblem.
Miss_wysteria,
You are free to think/believe as you prefer. History proves it is hardly worth my time/effort to suggest that you might consider otherwise.
Of course you are often a disrespectful affront to me. Still, you are of my blood. And I will tolerate, even enjoy your girlish defiance (not unlike how I would laugh at the incessant rantings of a teenage daughter).
But you brought me into into this discussion when you chose to make me this witless, subordinate conspirator of Moonsigns’ villainy. And you expect me not to retort? Tell me. From what hallowed plot have you been engendered that what YOU say to be utterly above reproach?
Child. I simply will not have this.
You would think to demean me. You come from me and yet you would belittle me even to that and those you proclaim to be your adversary. You know I am not this dunce whose only convenience is to provide to for you a hard and ample phallus.
We both know I am MORE than that.
Yet speak dreck; you say these things in spite and callous disrepute for my manhood. And yet you desire that I be your head? Can there be an elixir for madness that it is you speak?
Still. I’ll not abase you. You STILL are ever mine, to have, hold and protect. Never will it be I to smite you (though deserving of such you indeed be). But know if you ‘kill’ me, there will indeed be none left to stand for you.
I’ll be your nigger.
But I will have you know that there are amongst us those who know the truth about ourselves, who - inspite of everyone, everything - attempt to maximize every blessing that has been bestowed upon us(...and upon you).
See. I am of a separate mind and conscious. I too have a history worthy of consideration, one that is every bit as real and valid and persuasive as yours. And it is my slavery, my lynched, my Jim Crow surviving ancestors that has made it possible for you to have the opportunity to rant about as you so self-righteously do. So if you bear no respect for me, at least have such for them.
You blame Moonsigns for being that which is likely impossible for her to be. And were she to ever become as aware and responsible as you would require of her, she in all likelihood would indeed be better than even you.
Yet, it is YOU who make a way to Moonsigns free and clear to me.
For how can I conquer and rule with you as my queen? Will you allow my soul a moment’s respite to think, scheme and strategize. Or must I expend so much notice and energy grappling with you that I have hardly have be ability to see the enemy approach our shores?
Whatever strength you have was made by me. Whatever weaknesses I endure indeed came from you. Thus, that which is within me that would claim Moonsigns was wrought in part by thee.
Mother. Won’t you see that we are BOTH to blame?
PS: Miss_wysteria. You should know me well enough by now to know that I consider your insults to be but a fiery form of foreplay. I interpret your calling me the n-word to mean, "Okay, killa! You win. Now come and get IT while it’s ‘hot’. <wink!> |
Carey
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Username: Carey
Post Number: 226
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ABM, you've step to the plate and hit a Homerun, I expected none the less, you've done yourself proud!
Did you check out ol'Thump *smile*. See, he got a little......no a bunch of play in him and he was kickin' back laughing his ass off.....well I have to admit I was sort of.....well kind of.....okay, I hand my hands all in the hecklers section. But if it were anyone but you I wouldn't even consider posting a bravo or an explaination. So my brother, we march on to the next adventure. Who shall we mess with next? ****looking around the room for our next foil ****
I see one walking through the door as we speak *smile*.
Thump, you a mess man, what happened to all the "when I step through the door, y'all better....."
I know, you're only human. Thanks for the laughs!
Carey
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Miss_wysteria
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Username: Miss_wysteria
Post Number: 120
Registered: 09-2004
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ABM...of course, when I call you "nigga"...that's an inside "sex taunt" between Tree (husband) and River (wife). As surely as you're familiar with the harmonica...you know EXACTLY how I'm teasing you when I say, "nigga" to you.
And one thing that I am so sick and tired of YOU and other Black Americans doing on the discussion of race....is talking this bullshit about your SEPARATE history....as if your history is not mines....and MINES is not yours. THEY ARE BOTH ENTWINED....
...or do you not see Sudanese Black People on t.v. now claiming that they are NOT BLACK...but Arabs???
This is what a "nigger" (not a nigga), but a "nigger" is...and you need to quit your bullshit about there being a difference between the self-hating self-destruction of African people and the likewise self-hating, self-destruction of you in America.
Most definitely, you are Americans..not Africans...but you're still BLACK...like us...and how you could possibly see what is going on in my country...and witness Africans bleaching their skin to become white and murdering each other for money...and STILL NOT UNDERSTAND the enormity of what I must fight, because I am a wombbearer RESPONSIBLE for what happens to my people...then that just goes to show that I am right about you.
And if you love your ancestors so goddamned much then MAYBE you ought to take pity on them and give birth to them again...every now and then. That is, after all...HUMAN nature.
Of course I love you ABM. Everybody here knows that--and none--more than you do. I am not speaking of you..when I speak of "no good black men" who have betrayed us. I am not speaking of Chris Hayden, or Carey...and anyone who has read my books KNOWS damn well that I do just as much PRAISING of good black men...as I do of those assholes who work OVERTIME to destroy my race and my people.
So it's you who owe ME an apology.
And like I said. DO NOT EVER...when I'm in the middle of a confrontation with a White Woman...stand up to defend her to me.
Because then my sight turns to BLOOD. All sanity and rationality goes right out the window.
I too have a history..both in Africa and in America....and if you didn't have the balls to defend MY HONOR when it was crucial and necessary, then you need to sit down and shut the fuck up about how some white bitch feels--because I could see you both dead. And though I may need your sperm to make black babies...it's my womb...and the hand that rocks the cradle...that rules YOUR world.
And black motherfuckers are about to find that out...because women like KOLA are going to see to it that there is a NEW generation of black women that you don't even recognize...and who, for the first time in history, do not place your NEEDS and your REVOLUTION above their own.
I don't need your permission to have my own GOD and my own beliefs, I don't need Moonsign's permission...I don't need BLACK AMERICAN people's permission.
I AM the black man's mother. I am 26,000 years old--not 400. If you can't recognize who I am and how much I love you, then you're some sorry ass lost fuckers for real and you're not doing your "ancestors" a bit of damn good...and if your ANCESTORS were here right now, they would identify a hell of a lot more WITH ME...than with you. Because I AM the image of your ancestors.
You came out of MY ASS...I didn't come out of yours.
You either love me or you don't. But the bottom line is...don't fuck with me.
AND I LOVE YOU, ABM...from the bottom of my heart and soul. I LOVE YOU.
But I'm not your fool and I bend, fight and kill for my children...not for MEN.
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Miss_wysteria
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Post Number: 121
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...and how you could possibly see what is going on in my country...and witness Africans bleaching their skin to become white and murdering each other for money...and STILL NOT UNDERSTAND the enormity of what I must fight, because I am a wombbearer RESPONSIBLE for what happens to my people...then that just goes to show that I am right about you.
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A_womon
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Username: A_womon
Post Number: 725
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You blame Moonsigns for being that which is likely impossible for her to be. And were she to ever become as aware and responsible as you would require of her, she in all likelihood would indeed be better than even you.
What the &%$@!!! No way in hell!!
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Lambd
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Username: Lambd
Post Number: 518
Registered: 01-2004
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Yawwwn! Moonsigns, Wysteria, Abm, are you all trying to prove your points by typing more than the person before you? Very interesting stuff...but too damn long.
Hey, Woman! Wysteria is way too busy fighting the racist white chick that she is 'really fond of', and C-neek keeps putting me down for some movie star...You wanna go somewhere quiet and get a drank? We can talk shytt about white people in the bar til we get arrested or fall off the stool.
I promise if you fall off the stool first, I won't look under your skirt...unless I'm just so intoxicated that I accidentally flip it up...err, by accident...because I was drunk. |
A_womon
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Username: A_womon
Post Number: 726
Registered: 05-2004
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Lambd,
Hahahahhaa! Isssssss on like Kang Kong baybee!! Let's Do Da Damn Thang!!! It's whenever you know? |
Thumper
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Username: Thumper
Post Number: 258
Registered: 01-2004
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Hello All,
Carey: Man, you can't come up here and hoggin my space! And Lambd STILL ain't broguht me my damn diet coke.
LAMBD, DAYUM MAN HURRY UP WITH MY DRANK! I'M almost outta popcorn! Ain't nobody asked you to participate in this here stuff!
Carey, see how my other ol' Grayhead handled his bizness. See, that's what I'm talkin' about. Now they over their cooing and wooin over each other. I'm tellin you, ABM is something to behold. He's slicker than snot going down a slide in July. Now watch this here, say in oh...*looking at my watch*...30 seconds, he goin to grab her my the hair and say B*TCH, where's the rest of my money! |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 1203
Registered: 04-2004
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A_womon,
For Moonsigns to even remotely appreciate what Miss_wysteria is saying would require that she have a caliber of empathy that is beyond the capacity of most human beings. I find it to be akin to my (falsely) believing I might know what it felt like for either she or Moonsigns to give birth to and nurse a child. Or for them to have an inkling of that merciless erotic tide that inexorably rages thru me.
I don’t EVER expect a White person, male or female, to understand what I have endured. And find it to be unimaginable that they might even remotely appreciate what my grandmother bore witness to.
So while I’ll enjoy Moonsigns company, I know that there’s a part of me, of must of us, she will never really know. Still, we all are human and alive. Thus, we all should continue to try.
Lambd,
My Brother. If you can with brevity utter a wisdom that matches our verbosity, please do so.
Miss_wysteria,
I would say by my perspective that it is YOU, not I, who distinguish the African plight from that of the African American. I very much view both as being but different fronts of the same war.
You would have me ‘defend’ your honor to Moonsigns. But there is nothing of any substance that I can say to her, leastwise what she would likely appreciate and embrace. The only valid response to her is that I run faster, push harder and think smarter than her father and brother.
Maybe via the righteous results of my earnest efforts, she and her kind may be made to understand. Or, if we are most fortunate, maybe then to you and I her empathy will no longer matter.
Of course, I understand what it is you say. And mean. And why. Part of me is weak and small. And although I should be more, alas, I often am not.
But I am so proud. I must be or surely I will want to die.
So continue to believe, even in spite of what you think you see of me. Because perhaps you will discover that I too have fought to keep us alive. |
Moonsigns
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Username: Moonsigns
Post Number: 200
Registered: 07-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 05:09 pm: |
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Abm,
I can take the "emblem" thing fine. However, I differ with you that I am a mere "emblem" when comments about me and my husband are made (ignorantly at that), as well as comments about "seeing" me "dead".
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Lambd
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Username: Lambd
Post Number: 519
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 05:24 pm: |
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Abm says: "Of course, I understand what it is you say. And mean. And why. Part of me is weak and small. And although I should be more, alas, I often am not."
I'm sure the women on the board imagined you no other way. I am also sure that they have guessed already which part of you is weak and small...Lil' Brotha. Heheheh! You aint still sufferin' from that *IPS* you told me about are you? I thought the clinic gave you some stretching excercises to do. Don't tell me they didn't work! Damn Bro! I wish I could identify with you and share your pain, but when they was giving out Jumbo Johnsons I got in the right line.
*IPS*--Infant Penis Syndrome
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Miss_wysteria
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Username: Miss_wysteria
Post Number: 123
Registered: 09-2004
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Oh MOONSIGNS give it a "friggin" rest!!
Do you really think I wish to kill YOU personally?
You know what girl. As much as I was digg'n your white ass--this is what makes me so livid with you.
After all the BLACK folks that your people have LITERALLY seen "dead" for real...
RECENTLY.
...all the hundreds of thousands of men who look like your husband...
....that HUNG dead from trees because of spoiled, well meaning privileaged white women like yourself...
....all the African villagers and African children MURDERED so that sorry ass white women can wear DIAMONDS around their wrinkled, green & blue veined-necks...all the KILLING of all the MILLIONS of black people..you have the GALL
the unmitigated gall...to come in here whining that some African woman on a message board wanted to see your white ass dead.
Well you know what...
THERE IS NO BAD LUCK...IN THE WORLD...BUT WHITE FOLKS.
SO good.
And as for comments about you and your husband---I APOLOGIZE, because I was WRONG for that.
I am sorry.
And I really don't blame you one bit if you can't be friends with a mean-spirited Jeckyll and Hyde black trouble like me. We're stuck on this stupid issue and we're both PROUD.
ABM---
yes, you're a hero who fought to keep us alive (and d**ked down). SunRoof top with the Gangsta-Lean and all daddy. Whitewalls and.... tv-ater in the back.
But just remember, brothas and sistas...
You kin still stan tall
JUUUUUST be thankful...
Yeah..ABM, you feel'n this groove boy? Sing it to me daddy.
JUUUUSSSSSS be thankful...
What you want for dinner, King?
Sudanese Spicy Cherry Soup or some Deep South Soul Cook'n?
You KNOW..I specialize in both.
Just make sure you bring LAMBD with you.
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Miss_wysteria
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Username: Miss_wysteria
Post Number: 124
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Jumbo Johnson?
Uhnnnnn LAMBD.
I'm going to be brutally honest with you:
When I see big ones---I get SCURRED.
Real Scurred.
You remember Ife Ife's virginity party in my new book???
Uh-huh.
But with your handsome innocent face, boy scout smile and warm celestial eyes that could penetrate any woman's moxi....and lets not forget those tender but masterfully big HANDS of yours (my lord!)....you don't even NEED a Johnson.
You're lucky that I'm married and virtuous, because if I wasn't...I'd be out in D.C. mess'n up your little Harem you got going.
And by the way...the University of Maryland is bringing me back home in November, around thanksgiving.
So. Gobble, gobble.
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Lambd
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Username: Lambd
Post Number: 520
Registered: 01-2004
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Gobble, gobble?...Dayyum! THANKSGIVING! |
Moonsigns
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Username: Moonsigns
Post Number: 201
Registered: 07-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 09:42 pm: |
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wysteria,
Your anger is justified, however, how you channel your anger doesn't allow me to trust you. I'm sure if you flew into one of your fits of rage, we'd all look the same to you --just how I feel.
I don't have "gall" either. Do you ever read what you write?! I don't know how you would expect anyone to feel different.
And once and for all, can you stop clumping me with all white people. I feel that the violent acts that some whites have committed is horrible, too!!!!!!! Just as all black people don't think and act alike, either do all white people.
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Carey
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Username: Carey
Post Number: 228
Registered: 05-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 08:54 am: |
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Thump, yeah the boy got skills, that's for sure. See, had she called me all dem der names, all I would have been able to say was something like, F you too. See, and that ain't right, little people read this board and I guess my way can be used as the bad example. ABM just road through slappin' without that hard edge. The guy is filty at times but hey, sure can't say he's a punk *smile*. You could say it but you might get cussed out with one of those 5 dollars words and not even know it until later.
So ol'Lampchop hoggin' space huh. Ain't that that kid that's been calling me Sarge? I'll excuse him for know, but next time I'm going to have to stick my foot U H A (lol).
Carey |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 1204
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 10:56 am: |
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Moonsigns,
I think you should learn to distinguish between when one communicates in a ‘literal’ sense and when one evokes a form of ‘literature’. Because it seems you struggle with the twain as they have made manifest here.
This is one of the those instances where Black foks are perhaps a little more in tone with what’s being said and why it is being said.
Perhaps you can not appreciate that the discussion had evolved into one between myself and Miss_wysteria where by you were being made representative of more than just yourself. I understand you would likely strongly assert otherwise. But even you must concede that we all are often made to symbolize more than simply that within our own immediate sphere of control and existence.
The world makes us, and we make it, and it make us...’
Carey,
Aw. Tain’t nuthin’ what Miss_Wiss be saying. You should hear some of thing things me mama and my wife call me.
But it sure ain’t nothing quite like being ‘blessed out’ by a sistah then having her sing to you then serve up your favor meal. To quote Robert Duvall’s character in "Apocalypse Now" when referring to the welcoming smell of Napalm on an adjacent battlefield, "It smells like...VICTORY!"
Lambd,
HAHA! I guess I pitched you, what they call in the Major Leagues, a "FAT meatball", huh?
Touché, Monsieur, touché.
Though were I elect to not play fair, I would say that those would not be what the last 2 girlfriends who dumped you after I’d gotten a hold of’em would say about me. Of course, that’s what I would say...if I chose to not "play fair". (hehe!)
Miss_wysteria,
Go’on, girl. You ain’t said nuthin’ buttah word: ~"You [Lambd] may not haaaave...a car at all. But remembah brothahs-n-sistahs, you [Lambd] can still stand tall, jus' be thankful...for whatcha got."~
I’m tellin’ you. You keep dat up and you’re gonna make me start "steppin’" up in hur. Come on and move dat thang, titttilicious. You too, Cynique. You’re from Chi-Town. So you know what a brothahman’s talkin’ ‘bout.
Not sure if I should bring Lambd with me though. Cuz last time him-n-I went out partying all he did was hold up the walls and lap from the punchbowl. But maybe if you invite Cynique too she can use her special ‘charms’ to entice him to loosen up.
BTW: The "I’ll make ABM jealous by (falsely) glorifying Lambd" ploy is workin’. So knock it off! K? HEHE! |
A_womon
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Username: A_womon
Post Number: 727
Registered: 05-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 01:14 pm: |
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yall need to be easy! yall dumb |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 1217
Registered: 04-2004
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A_womon says: “yall need to be easy! yall dumb”
ABM says: Okay. I must have been absent that day they covered this in Ebonics 121 class. Please translate. |
A_womon
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Username: A_womon
Post Number: 728
Registered: 05-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 05:06 pm: |
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be easy= "relax", "chill", or in over 40 lingo "take it slow"
dumb= stoo-pid HAHa! |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 1225
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 05:20 pm: |
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Okay. But is that a ‘good’ “stoo-pid” or a ‘bad’ “stoo-pid”. Because you yungins go so fast us ol foks can’t quite keep up. That’s unless of course I dun had my Ginseng. Then you bettah watch lil’ gal how/where you bend over. |
A_womon
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Username: A_womon
Post Number: 729
Registered: 05-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 05:41 pm: |
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ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh shadddddddddddddddupppp!!! |
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