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Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 1062
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, September 06, 2004 - 02:15 pm: | 
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Have any of you seen singer Jill Scott lately? It looks she lost a lot of weight.
But to me, she looked better when she was heavier. I don't know, the plus-sized Scott seemed to have more of a charisma or presence that her svelte version (to me at least) lacks.
This change in her appearance kinda reminds me of when Luther Vandross would lose (then regain, then lose, then regain...) weight. I believe the consensus was that "big Luther" was better than "lil Luther".
I hope she lost weight more for health concerns than she did to share magazine covers with Beyonce. Because some people were just 'meant' to be big. |
A_womon
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Username: A_womon
Post Number: 678
Registered: 05-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, September 06, 2004 - 07:14 pm: |
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So true ABM! I don't think black women buy into that thin is in fable so much, as white women do, but if a woman decides for her own reasons, not the pressure of others to lose weight then I am behind them 100%. |
High_density
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Post Number: 1
Registered: 08-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 07, 2004 - 04:15 pm: |
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Either plus-sized or pint-sized, Jill Scott is awesome and if losing weight makes her a healthier and happier individual, she gets my vote of confidence and support. Go Jill! |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 1250
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 07, 2004 - 04:25 pm: |
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I certainly preferred Big Luther to Little Luther. And there has been some speculation that that low-carb diet he was on may have precipitated his stroke. Missy Elliot lost a lot of weight because of her high-blood pressure, but she's someone else who looked better "fat." |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 1084
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 07, 2004 - 04:37 pm: |
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I would never impose my view upon what Jill should or should do. I understand how a woman looks greatly factors into to her sense of self-worth.
But GOD, that dang entertainment business is so corruptive to the spirit.
First you lose weight. Then that’s not enough to just work out. Now you gottah go low carbs. Then that’s not enuff. Then you’ve gottah staple your stomach. Then there the breast enhancement or reductions, nose jobs, eye jobs, etc. After while, they’re so self-deluded by their appears what time/focus is their left for the art.
So, I just hope Jill and others like can still SING after the dieting, pulling and tucking is done.
Now take Aretha. Be honest, she’s never been a particularly glamorous woman. Yet, she still is not only the queen of Soul/R&B, Aretha is arguably the reigning standard bearer of all of American music, even in all her corpulent glory. |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 1085
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 07, 2004 - 04:40 pm: |
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Cynique,
What has been conjected about Luther's stroke doesn't surprise me. No matter what the Atkins of the world concock, not every man was meant to be a 46 regular. |
Miss_wysteria
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Username: Miss_wysteria
Post Number: 27
Registered: 09-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 07, 2004 - 04:44 pm: |
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Aretha's ass is TOO FAT.
I love her to death, but she needs to seriously get some of that fat off and stop being lazy.
She's getting so big it's gross when she sits on a talk show and chats---there's this weezing breathing and her head is folded in her neck like an uncircumsized _________. I really hate when women let themselves just GO like that.
***And you're right. Jill Scott looked much better at her previous size.
BUT...if she went and had the skin lifted where the fat once was...she'd look great. That's the problem...because I also just lost 15 pounds (to go on tour) and now my face looks like it's hanging and the tonality of my body is not as firm as it was, because of the slightly loose skin. I, however, don't look that different from myself. Jill...looks really sunken in, like she's been ill.
I still love her music, though.
Cynique--"MY" low carb diet ate away at my soft muscle tissue (though I was eating nothing but protein) and made me VERY SICK.
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Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 1090
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 07, 2004 - 04:58 pm: |
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Miss_wysteria,
UUUUUU! I'm gun' tell Aretha on you. And she gun sit, roll around and flatten you.
I'm tell'in!
But seriously though. I hear you. Health is important. And I would hate for Aretha to be found dead faced down in a big ol' plate of chitterlings. But all the preening/cutting just never seems to end...'somewhere'...doesn't it?
Ladies! Everybody can't look like Julia Roberts and Beyonce Knowles! |
Miss_wysteria
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Post Number: 28
Registered: 09-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 07, 2004 - 05:00 pm: |
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No...EVERYBODY...can't look like Naomi Campbell or Lauryn Hill.
Which are what "I" consider perfection.
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Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 1092
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 07, 2004 - 05:08 pm: |
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Miss_wysteria,
I was not lauding Roberts/Knowles' beauty per se. Just using them as examples of what a lot of women may be TRYING to fashion their appearance after. |
Miss_wysteria
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Username: Miss_wysteria
Post Number: 29
Registered: 09-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 07, 2004 - 05:09 pm: |
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BTW...ABM...thanks for actually speaking to me.
And you know how much I love chitlins myself, although, I DO restrict myself to having them only twice a year (on holidays) and I walk 5 days a week when I have them...because one plate of them is 5,800 calories which translates to nearly 2 pounds of body fat.
But I love chitlins--and I notice that AAs aren't aware of how HUGELY POPULAR they are in Egypt and Libya. Only they fry them in honey with peppers and tomatoes.
Not "black" Africa--but far north (although, it's the black natives up there who eat them).
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Moonsigns
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Username: Moonsigns
Post Number: 155
Registered: 07-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 07, 2004 - 07:22 pm: |
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I agree with wysteria, Aretha is way too fat --not "plus-sized", but purely fat.
I didn't think Jill looked that bad (when I saw a recent pic), it just seemed like her eyes didn't sparkle as much, like she needed some energy. Jill Scott is amazing no matter what though. I think she is so gifted, so womanly and so beautiful. I have always had respect for her work and her style --she seems real to me.
Lauryn Hill is naturally beautiful. She has amazingly, beautiful, clear skin --not a blemish in sight --and her skin looks smooth as butter!
wysteria, you mentioned something about losing skin "tone". If you haven't already heard of it, look into skin brushing. It is a great way to eliminate toxins from the body by stimulating the lymphmatic system. It also "excercises" the skin, therefore, "tones" the skin. I learned about it two years ago and have been a fan of it since! It makes skin very soft and glowing, naturally. btw, natural bristle brushes are the best to use.
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Thumper
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Username: Thumper
Post Number: 239
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 07, 2004 - 07:36 pm: |
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Hello All,
It is with great restraint which I am writing this post with cursing some folks seriously OUT!
Aw, hell, now yawl got the nerve to talk about THE QUEEN!! Don't get me started talking bout what some people around here look like. Back up off Aretha! Fat, skinny or otherwise, she can sing better than yawl, and damn sure got more money. And since she hasn't asked me or any of you to pay her medical bills or support her in any kind of way, you got a lot of nerve. And you Moonsigns, with all that peace love and harmony sh*t, I suppose you can step up on the stage, grab a mike and sing better than Aretha, since you all skinny, and healthy and thangs! I'd like to see that! Back up off of Aretha. |
Miss_wysteria
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Post Number: 30
Registered: 09-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 07, 2004 - 07:46 pm: |
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I am ARETHA'S Biggest Fan...I love her to death. I just want her to look better and feel better.
Moon---BLESS YOU! I will definitely be checking those brushes out. Although I've gained back about 5 pounds and I look a little better. People at the events keep claiming that I look so good and beautiful (ie. LAMBD)--but I saw some photos and I really looked tired to me.
Of course...I'm having them airbrushed. (Wink)
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Moonsigns
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Username: Moonsigns
Post Number: 156
Registered: 07-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 07, 2004 - 07:57 pm: |
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Thumper,
What does peace and love have to do with commenting on a simple observation? Sure, she can sing and lyrically, some of the best music I've ever heard. I can't sing a lick and will tell anyone. That is irrelevant though. If she is fat, she's fat. I don't care if it's Aretha or my next door neighbor, that size is just BIG!
Now, who said I'm skinny? --do you think that just because I'm white? Healthy doesn't mean "skinny", healthy means healthy. When a woman loves herself, she takes care of herself. She doesn't desire to look emaciated, nor does she want to be a beefcake. A little bit of this and a little bit of that, all in the right places of course, are reeeeaaaal nice --you know!
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Miss_wysteria
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Post Number: 31
Registered: 09-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 07, 2004 - 08:17 pm: |
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I haven't been "skinny" since my first son was born...and not "thin"....since my second son was born.
But I admitt, I'm very well shaped and I benefit from being really tall, so the fat spreads and concentrates well.
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Miss_wysteria
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Post Number: 32
Registered: 09-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 07, 2004 - 08:28 pm: |
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Moon...PLEASE tell me where you get your Skin Brushes from.
I found this interesting instruction on the net, but I'm kinda confused about what kind of BRUSH I'm looking for:
http://healingtools.tripod.com/skinbrush.html
I can't go to town to shop. I have to send someone for me---so I need you to be as specific as possible about how to get the right brush.
Is this brush attached to a handle like a long loofah???
Twice a day---I usually exfoliate with a buff puff, cleanse with Sea Breeze, wash face in cold water, chill face in ice bucket and pat dry. Then I use a Sunblock/Moisturizer. I don't wear makeup unless I'm leaving town. I wipe my entire face with a Clearsil Wipe right before bed.
Can I still do this routine and Skin Brush, too???
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Thumper
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Username: Thumper
Post Number: 242
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 07, 2004 - 10:08 pm: |
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Hello All,
Moonsigns: You sound like a damn fool. First off you need to make up your mind on how you feel about women, beauty, etc. Because right now, you're coming off as a damn hypocrite. Here's why, YOU wrote this on 7-27-04 at 4:07 PM:
"Abm, there is not one thing wrong with honoring the feminine principle/energy. A woman's body is like fine art! I love reading poetry that appreciates and values the female body! However, that poem I read was based in insecurity. Self-confidence and the proclaimation of one's beauty does not come at the expense of another woman's unattractivenss. The unjust beauty standards of our time are based on the merit that white beauty is beautiful for it is everything that non-white beauty is not. My beauty as a woman just "is", not because another woman's "isn't" --do you get what I'm getting at? True beauty is majestic and splendid all by itself and does not need deny the true beauty of something else (in this case another woman) for it to be just that. Every race of women have something really beautiful about them. If women can't acknowledge that, I think it's mainly because they are not confident in their own. Some of the most intriguing, intelligent, attractive and beatiful women I have met never need to make comparisons about what they are and what another woman isn't. They are regal and relish in that --I think that is amazing! It is such positive energy!"
Now tell me again, real slow like, how what you wrote here goes with "Aretha is way too fat". And you're either a liar or a damn hypocrite, or hey maybe both. But, while you're deciding, try taking a moment and re-evaluating your standards and principles and how being a truthful and honest human being, who judges people on the content of their character and not their bra size, can benefit the world around you. At least Aretha will forever be known as the Queen. And you well be known as what...? *eyebrow raised* A slightly confused, talking out of both sides of her mouth...... |
Thumper
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Username: Thumper
Post Number: 243
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 07, 2004 - 10:10 pm: |
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And I done...
I was always taught when it came to the shape and size of a woman, "nobody wants a bone but a dog". Moonsign, uh, does this apply to you and your life anywhere? *eyebrow raised* Just askin'. |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 1097
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 07, 2004 - 10:11 pm: |
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Miss_wysteria
You are welcome.
Moonsigns,
You hit it on the head. This new/improved Jill Scott appears to lack that luminous twinkle in her eyes. I hope her singing/songwriting does not fade as well.
Thumper,
I think we ALL love Aretha. How can we not? After all, she's Aretha. But it is BECAUSE we love her we all wish that she would take better care of herself so we can enjoy having her for many more years to come.
Ladies,
WOW! All of a sudden, I feel like I have accidentally strolled into a day spa. Well, while I'm here, I may as well get a manicure and a (preferably nude) deep tissue massage (I guess if you hang around too many chick long enuff you start picking up gay-like tendencies).
Hey! Any of you game for being my masseuse? I'm a generous tipper. |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 1098
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 07, 2004 - 10:13 pm: |
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Ouch!
Uh oh, Moonsigns. Here's looking like Daddy Thumper dun lined yu up in his crosshairs.
Hope you know when/how tuh duck! |
Miss_wysteria
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Username: Miss_wysteria
Post Number: 33
Registered: 09-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 12:32 am: |
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ABM, of course I would be the one to give you your massage, master.
I'll use an Afro pick with some Johnson's Baby Oil and some Baby Powder and a good sangria....and some Al Green classics.
I'll come dressed as EVE from the garden of eden and you can be the serpent.
**Smile** |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 1252
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 12:38 am: |
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Somewhere up there in Fat heaven, Big Pun is chomping on his 5th consecutive Krispy Kreme saying "come on up. Me and Biggie got us an angel rap group dats da bomb. (TuPac didn't make it throught the pearly gates. He let the elevator take him down. And of course Biggie is tickled pink.) Gotta go. Nelly is on Jay Lenno. |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 1103
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 05:08 am: |
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Miss_wysteria,
Man. I love to see a chick take pride in her work.
I'll spit a lil' venom atchu in a lil' bit.
Cynique,
What you say 'bout Tupac is downright sacrilege. |
Soulofaauthor
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Post Number: 96
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 07:51 am: |
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Now come on ya'll don't be attacking Retha big or not she is still has more talent than let me go as far as to say than all the so call divas we got out their to listen to now.Another singer I just loved when she was bigger is Kelly Price.The woman had such soul and depth as a big girl.I saw her on tv recently and I didnt even know her it's like her heart just wasnt in it.I just hope she lost the weight for herself and not because of what that comic said about her on that award show. |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 1109
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 10:45 am: |
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Soulofaauthor,
Thanks. You provide an example of what I’m talking about. It’s one thing if one was small to begin with when they started singing (ala a pre-crack Whitney Houston). But it seems when one started singing when they’re big, then lose weight, they seem to loose the depth/resonance of their voice.
I am NO expert in sound, music or voice (but if you hummah few bars, I can bang a tune or 2 out on my Casio keyboard...hehe!). But I think one’s voice ‘evolves’ around one’s body, the body is an important/real/breathing part of the instrumentation of the voice (that probably explains why singers often feel compelled to move/sway certain ways when they perform). So when someone drastically changes his or her body type, his or her voice must be similarly affected.
Also, I think it sends a troublesome message that no matter how talented/skilled/accomplished Aretha, Scott, Kelly and my personal favorite, the wondrous CHAKA KHAN may be; they are somehow less appealing artistically simply because they aren’t stereotypical magazine cover material.
But again, if health is an issue, I am all for these performers offloading the fat. Because even if their talent diminishes, they can always do something else with their lives. But, if their hearts explode from being smothered in fat, then they, their loved ones and all the rest of us loose. |
Moonsigns
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Post Number: 158
Registered: 07-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 03:51 pm: |
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Thump,
I still stand on my belief that a woman's body is like fine art, however, not all women feel the same, nor do all women reverence their bodies as such. I still stand on my belief that a womans beauty just "is" and doesn't need to be because someone elses isn't.
I'm not into being PC either.
Aretha is incredibly talented. However, anybody with two eyes can see she destroys her body with food. If you had the choice to paint a nude portrait of a woman with a body like Serena Williams, or Aretha, (minus the celebrity) you'd pick Serena hands down --don't lie either--you would!
Now, this isn't to say that Aretha isn't nice, or talented, or a beautiful woman. Excess weight, not just being "thick", but true excess weight --obesity in her case, is a true sign of inner imbalance.
I have weaknesses and vices, as do we all. Aretha just happens to "wear" hers and just because she is the "Queen of Soul" doesn't mean she is God. Money and talent won't stop anybody from stating the obvious, sorry. If you think I sound like damn fool, oh well, we all do sometimes. Ultimately, this is about health, not about being skinny. Weight like that isn't healthy no matter what you or anyone says --I don't care.
About dogs and bones --well, my husband wouldn't stay if he didn't have any meat to eat. He loves meat and potatoes and knows I will cook a hot meal for him anytime his heart desires. He's no fool and knows I can "throw down" in the kitchen. That should answer your question 
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Moonsigns
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Post Number: 160
Registered: 07-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 04:01 pm: |
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wysteria,
I will start a new thread for the skin brushing stuff.
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Miss_wysteria
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Post Number: 46
Registered: 09-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 04:06 pm: |
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Thanks, Moonsigns |
Abm
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Post Number: 1126
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 04:14 pm: |
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Moonsigns,
Alright now!
The White Girl Strikes Back!
I was beginning to think you found Thumper’s posts so daunting that you may have ran back crying for comfort from your your Brothahman husband.
But I guess I should know by now that you are NOTHING if not stubborn(/hardheaded).
Thumper,
I know this'll get me into trouble ("Sir. We are here to review your 'Blackhood' certification."), but I concur with Moonsigns views about Aretha. Because I love Arethat too d@#$ much to condone her eating herself to death. |
Abm
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Post Number: 1127
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 04:16 pm: |
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Ladies,
Can I participate on that skin brushing thread too? Cuz I've got some beauty issues I want to work on too...'gurlfriends'. |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 1128
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 04:18 pm: |
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...'Sides. I think I may be able to use those brushes of yours for 'ulterior' purposes. <dark-n-evil-grin> |
Miss_wysteria
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Post Number: 48
Registered: 09-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 04:19 pm: |
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Of course you can come hang out with the girls, ABM.
I've always wanted to give Thomas a facial and pedicure, but he won't let me.
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Moonsigns
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Post Number: 161
Registered: 07-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 04:28 pm: |
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Abm,
What about sharing an opinion makes one "stubborn/hardheaded"? We are all people, not God.
The "white girl strikes back" --please.
Of course Abm, you can participate in the skin brushing thread.
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Thumper
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Username: Thumper
Post Number: 245
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 08:54 pm: |
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Hello All,
ABM: Stop instigating. *LOL* You know good and damn well her come back was weak as all get out (even though she's been working on it all day! *LOL*).
You know it always strike me strange how folks can talk about the evil of racism and then will dog out a person for being fat. And you all might as well cut the s__t about being concern about anyone's health. If you and Moonsign is so worried about fat people's health, hey, I got some bills that you and Moonsign can pay for me, because all these bills brings me stress, and stress causes my high blood pressure to rise, which can lead to damage arteries and organs and thangs. And since I know you two are SOOO concerned, I know you two won't mind paying my light bill. *eyebrow raised*
Moonsigns: Well, I always suspected, but now I know, no one can get a full understanding of another culture by simply being in the proximity. You must be the only one that didn't totally pick up what I was putting down. So maybe you need to ask around for somebody to explain it to you. And why you're so concerned about Aretha, answer me this, which you would rather her do, keep smoking or gain the weight that she did when she stopped smoking? Hmmm, cancer or obesity? At least with obesity, she is losing the weight. You know since smoking was robbing her of her voice, and the fact that she's been smoking almost all of her adult life and her risk of cancer is high as a kite, she should keep doing it in order to look "healthy" for you and ABM and other people? How dare she get her priorities screwed up? Take a minute to think about, really decide which side of your mouth you're going to answer the question with and then get back with me. *whistling*
A_womon: I owe you a HUGE apology. I'm beginning to feel your pain. |
Soulofaauthor
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Post Number: 106
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 09:28 pm: |
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lmao u go thumper |
A_womon
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Post Number: 711
Registered: 05-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 10:53 pm: |
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Thumper,
hahahahahaha! Noooooooo I tried to warn you but no... ahahahahhahahhaa!!! Apology accepted. But oh it hurts, it hurts... |
Moonsigns
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Username: Moonsigns
Post Number: 166
Registered: 07-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 10:57 pm: |
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Thump,
Regardless of her talent and inner beauty, she is obese. What significant role should obesity play in any culture? Please. Don't try to make something out of nothing.
You ask smoking or obesity?
I answer, none! She traded one evil for another. That means there is even stronger evidence of some underlying imbalance.
I'm talking out of the same mouth I've always been --maybe you just need to read/listen with unbiased ears.
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Moonsigns
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Post Number: 168
Registered: 07-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 11:08 pm: |
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btw,
Being obese causes cancer, too!
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Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 1151
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 09, 2004 - 12:36 am: |
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Moonsigns,
Girl you are so Polly Purebread at times, I don't know if you're being manipulative, niave or crazy. But I'll bet dat hubby of yours winces to himself whenever you do your "We all dah same" routine in mixed company.
Don't believe me?
Next time you're 'round some Black foks that you/he don't know particularly well, run down some of your "We are the World" spiel on them and look carefully at your hubby's face as you do it (though don't be so obvious that he know's you're staring). I'll bet his face looks like it looked the last time you accidentally walked in on him while he squirmed on the crapper after he's had a bit too much of some really GOOD chili.
Thumper,
What good am I if I ain't trynah start $#@+? Dat's what I live for!
I agree with you though. Being fat is one of the last remaining conditions one can have that others are free to run them down. A lot of us are being arrogant and insensitive, which really only drives some people to eat even more.
And that just ain't right.
Heck! Even smokers often get more support.
So, I suppose I understand why, a lovely/talented Jill Scoot would attempt to drastically alter herself (even to the point of risking a lucrative career).
And if you recall, my original intentions for posting this topic was to support the more full-bodied model of Scott, not her bonier version. Because I agree that she and other sistahs like her who don't have to be a size 4 to look good and perform well.
But seriously...
One of my best/truest friends, one the smartest/friendliest/kindest/bravest guys I ever knew, died at age 32 of heart disease. He was only 5' 4', yet weighed over 500 lbs.
So this ain't just (my usual) flippant talk. No. It is something I have thought (and cried) about off-n-on for the better part of 10 years. |
Moonsigns
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Abm,
Never once did I say she isn't talented, kind or even attractive/beautiful to some people. If you or anyone wants to be so PC and act if she doesn't have a serious problem with her weight that could kill her, oh well.
I actually think the whole situation is very sad.
"Polly purebread" --please, not at all. I'm absolutely realistic about the condition of many Americans nowadays --something stats prove, especially med stats --people are eating themselves to death!
btw, in person, I tend to be very "surface" with people I don't know.
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Abm
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Moonsigns,
Relax Polly P. or you'll get a nasty run in your Playtex.
'Sides...
If you have spent as much time 'round Black foks as you claim, you should know by now how we like to 'play': Ruff!
Now...
Did you happen to READ the last 1/3 of my response to Thumper? Because I should think that I made it pretty clear I concur with your views on this matter.
Still, I agree with Thumper that we are being a bit arrogant to presume that we know more about what is best for Aretha than does she and her physician(s), nutritionist(s) and personal trainer(s). And I also think it wise that we be careful to avoid via our haughty and condescending words/actions subjecting our heavier people to that which might be inclined to exacerbate, not alleviate, their troubles.
Because it seemed the more my friend was chided about his eating, the more he appeared to eat.
Moonsigns says: "I tend to be a very "surface" with people I don't know."
ABM says: Baby, somehow I hardly imagine that you would be ANY other way. |
Moonsigns
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Abm,
I'm sure you don't get into political, racial and social debates the moment you say hello to someone new --that is what I mean by surface. You and everyone else on this board is just as "surface" upon initial encounters. Some of the ones that "roar" the loudest here are proably some of the most meek in person, even after getting to know them.
Once I get to know someone, that is a different story. Those who work with me and are my friends may not always like (or agree) with my point of view, however, they respect my honesty.
About the Aretha stuff.......
A huge part of the work I do revolves around holistic health care and prevention (of major diseases). I encounter people daily who require drastic lifestyle changes in order to regain their health. In my experience, people carrying so much excess weight, especially women, have always had serious underlying issues (usually self-esteem/compulsive disorders/addictions). When all is said and done, I feel for her and would never berate her. No one needs to tell her she is fat, she knows it, however, she also needs the right people around her to encourage her lifestyle and particular habits, to change.
You are correct that Aretha's health care practioners know a lot more about her PERSONAL care than us. However, American doctors are usually taught to treat symptomatically, therefore, the pharmaceuticals they give you (that they do make money off of) have the potential to give you more side effects than the problem(s) that originally prompted you to seek help/relief in the first place. It's a nasty, nasty business and a vicious, vicious cycle.
Not all doctors practice like this, however, generally speaking, the sicker you stay (in whatever way) the more money they make --especially in the US.
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Thumper
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Hello All,
Now, I CAN'T be the only ONE confused by Moonsigns posts concerning Aretha or fat people in general.
Moonsigns wrote: "When all is said and done, I feel for her and would never berate her. No one needs to tell her she is fat, she knows it, however, she also needs the right people around her to encourage her lifestyle and particular habits, to change."
Moonsigns, good thing you don't volunteer for a suicide hotline. You have a hard time conceding a point don't you? *eyebrow raised* I guess that's where your arrogance lies. On second thought, please, PLEASE don't answer me. I'm already dizzy. That warm and fuzzy feeling that is coming from you when you discuss fat people simply flows like a sheet of ice. Because the more you talk, the stupider you sound. Please don't work at a pre-school or anywhere else children might be. With you providing "guidance" we might have to deal with more serial killers or something.
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Abm
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Moonsigns,
Okay. I understand and appreciate you obviously have some expertise in these matters. And, thus, I will deter to many of your viewpoints here.
For example, I agree the quality of our foods is very much to blame. What we consume today include more artificial, fat-inducing constituents than did that which our grandparents consumed.
But there one other element of the issues involving weight/obesity that should be accounted for: Our more sedentary lives.
We simply do no 'move' as much as we should.
We drive EVERYWHERE.
Our economy has change from that of being industrial/farming-based (standing/moving) to that of being service-based (sitting/typing)
And technological conveniences (e.g., riding mowers and snowblowers) have further robbed us of opportunities to exercise our bodies.
Sure there are healthclubs ad infinitium. But they are a pale supplement to some one tending +100 acres of corn or manhandling iron ore and steel. Because the latter involves one working to achieve a tangible, vital end. Running on a treadmill, though health-inducing, can't adequately compare with the efforts one is inspired to make to feed their kids. |
Moonsigns
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Thumper,
Saying she is fat is making a simple observation. Would I, or have I ever said that to someone's face who I know is struggling? No. However, in working with some of the women I have, there is a way to talk about serious health issues without making someone feel more horrible than they already do. As a female, I am incredibly sensitive in dealing with issues (such as this) face-to-face. Now, many of the MALE health professionals that some of these women have sought for treatment/help, they are the ones who come right out and call them "fat" --and have (COLDLY) offered them no real solutions to help them become healthier. A few women have told me that some male docs have even gone as far as to make humiliating comments about how their husbands are "suffering" and how hard it must be for them -- in essence, their p&**y doesn't look as good anymore. It's sick --and all the while, the woman becomes more ill.
When one has the ability to remain anonymous, it requires less tact than one would require in face to face conversations. I could cite words, phrases and comments from many posts, your's (at different times) included, that prove my point. If you are made dizzy by reading my words, than you also make yourself dizzy, as you (and everyone else here) do the exact same thing. No one can convince me any different.
About you suggesting I do not work in positions that offer people "guidance". Only if you knew --which your ignorant comments prove you don't. What you have mistaken as arrogance is merely confidence. When somebody just unknowingly "talks", I'll leave it at that.
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Moonsigns
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Abm,
So much of what you say is true. Unfortunately, as in prior discussions, people lack the will to make such changes --and it is costing us greatly!
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Abm
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Moonsigns,
Don't misunderstand me. I am not patendly rejecting/discounting the merits of modern conveniences (You haftah pry my leafblower away from out of my cold-dead hands.). But there's sort of a pop theory tabbed "The Law of Unintended Consequences" which basically suggests that no matter how wonderful some new is it will almost inevitably introduce negative elements that are just as harmful as those the new item help to remedy. Of course, we are seldom able to fully know/predict those negative consequences. And those few who do know are likely profiting so much they wouldn't dare tell us (leasewise until they are forced to because that great new rear-engine Ford Pinto explodes on rear collusions of only 10 MPH).
I think our weight/obesity issues are largely the results of "Unintended Consequences" of other benefits we receive.
For the sake of this discussion, I will intrude upon the private business of Aretha. And, to be fair, what follows is based ENTIRELY upon my unsupportable musings:
At the risk of being presumptous, I will (at momentarily) concur with A LOT with what Moonsigns says about Aretha. But the problem is in part...she's Aretha. She is arguably the most admired/enduring/indelible musical figure of our age. Now, really, WHO has the credibility to demand that SHE stop eating. Heck! Who has the audacity to even broach the subject with her.
It seems to me that it would require someone with whom she has the highest regard, possibly even reverence to the point of deference, to even get a conversation going about dieting/exercising. Moreover, I believe said person would have to be completely OUTSIDE of the entertainment business. It would have to be someone with whom she can relate without all the "Aretha is the Queen of Soul" idolatry. Problem with that though Aretha's been around so long there likely are very few people who qualify that are still around.
So, I'm not saying that Aretha can't/shouldn't attempt to loose weight. I think, though, she's been bred into being a person with whom it may be difficult to help.
And any doctor (or any other type of healthcare officials) that would say anything REMOTELY close to what you have inferred should have their medical license be made subject for review and possible suspension.
Okay, Thumper. I know that was ALL speculation. But since you and Moonsigns have continued the Aretha portion of this thread, I figured I would too. |
Thumper
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Hello All,
ABM: This is my last post on this subject. My fascinating with this thread was not to completely defend Aretha. As many already know, Aretha is my favorite singer. I believe that she is the best singer in the history of recorded music. To say that I am seriously attached to Aretha and her music would be putting it lightly. That said my fascination with this thread was not the defense of Aretha (she doesn't need to be defended to anyone, she can hold her own against anyone--including delusional women).
The point that I was making, quite successfully, was that the things Moonsign accused A_womon of committing against her, Moonsign herself was just as guilty if not more so. Frankly, all of the objections A_womon stated about Moonsign, Moonsign proved true in this thread: 1.) Moonsign does not answer any questions that would disprove the points she is attempting to make; 2.) Instead of conceding a point or acknowledging the merit of the opposing parties argument, Moonsign practice the old if-I-talk-long-enough-about-another-subject-other-than-the-one-we're-discussing- maybe-people-will-forget-that-I-didn't-answer-the-question defense.
While we have all done it *clearing my throat and raising my eyebrow*, Moonsign is quite sloppy in her execution. My example, in this thread when I confronted her with evidence of her duality on her view of the beauty (inner and otherwise) of women; she began launching into how male American doctors treat fat women. Why? She is neither a man or a doctor. But if she could alter the road the discussion was on, she wouldn't have to concede a point, or admit to herself that her sh*t is loose.
I will admit that the discussion got a little personal for me. Not in the fact that I am fat, because between me and you, I don't fit any of Moonsign's characterizations and she can pick one of my cheeks and pucker up. As many of you may remember, last year my oldest female first cousin died of cancer. She kept getting bigger and bigger until she became really obese. Moonsign said "In my experience, people carrying so much excess weight, especially women, have always had serious underlying issues (usually self-esteem/compulsive disorders/addictions)." Well in my cousin's case she did not have a low self esteem, compulsive disorder, or any addictions. She had cancer that went misdiagnosed because her doctor had the same attitude that good ol' Moonsign has. He kept telling her to stop eating, join weight watchers, see a therapist, etc. For over a year and a half the cancer spreaded from her uterus to nearly all of her organs and she just ballooned. She died and she was only 51 years old. Can you imagine that when she was 26 years old, she was middle age. Isn't that something?
Now while everyone is different, the ultimate point that I am making is that being prejudice; be it race, obesity, etc, only allow for lazy, self-centered people to reach a conclusion concerning another person instantly that way these lazy people don't have to invest the time to learn and therefore to KNOW.
Now, I'm moving on to something else before I come all out of pocket. |
Soulofaauthor
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While I have never had a problem with weight I have had cancer and in some ways I agree with what moonsign said.When I was going to the doctor's all they kept doing was giving me more meds.I know this sound's somewhat racist but it wasn't until I went to a African American doctor at a place called UAMS in Little Rock Arkansas that I finally got helped.My 11 year old is as big as I am.She went to camp this year and they had bunk bed's.We got their late so my baby had to have a top bunk.Well anyway she couldn't climb to the top and I knew that we had a problem cause my baby was going to be their for a week.Well ya'll know I clowned and she got a bottom bunk.But,I felt bad the whole week cause I didn't know if the other kid's would make fun of her or not.I know my baby is big but she is a angel and sing's like one to.My husband and I have been wondering if we should make her go on a diet but at 11? So moonsign you seem to know alot about this type of thing should my baby be on a diet.At 11 she weighs over 160. |
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SOA...
I know you didn't ask me---but please let me say that 11 is way too young for a diet
...and DIETS...in the long run do not help, they will only hurt your child and cause her problem to spin out of control.
My sister's daughter was 13 and had the same problem. Here's what my mom had my sister do...and it WORKED.
A lot of it is psychological--so please note the way it's carried out.
The first thing you should do...is not discuss the matter of weight with your daughter--but with your husband and other family matters about a plan of action. The whole family must be committed to the plan...but must not discuss it with your daughter.
Realize that it will take approximately 1 YEAR to see a major change in your daughter's weight--my sister's 13 yr. old lost 64 pounds in a year. She lost 27 pounds the next year.
To me, she's too skinny now...but still...she's healthy and much more active.
And then...CHANGE the eating habits of the whole family.
Nobody is allowed to eat in front of your daughter after 7 pm. Her bedtime should be 9 or 10, right?? So that means she gets dinner at 6 and nothing but small snacks (a cut apple--bowl of chilled peaches) after 7 pm.
She is a CHILD...so despite the sugar in fruits, she should be given fruits followed by a glass of water for snacks.
YOU..take her for an evening walk 3 nights a week (before her snack)...just look at your watch and the two of you walk in any direction away from the house for 15 minutes. Then you have to walk back--automatically giving you 30 minutes of Cardio.
Don't even explain why. Just make her "emotionally dependent" on those walks by telling her that there are some things in your head that only SHE can understand and that you only trust HER with.
She will begin to CRAVE the walks. Not only that--but the walks at night (after 7) will tire her out and she'll be allowed the fruit and glass of water before bed. She'll fall right out.
Cut as much bread as possible from your daughter's diet first. And I mean--you have to be tough or it won't do any good. You have to get her to eat as less bread as possible. Also, pastas and potato intake should be reduced by 80%.
Switch to 2% milk if the family won't accept Low Fat. I'm a milk lover so I have to have 2%.
Don't go completely to a "low carb" diet--but definitely reduce the carbs in your family's intake as much as possible. Consult experts on "low carbs" so that you understand what they are....and so that you and your family greatly decrease them in ALL MEALS.
It's expensive...but you can buy low carb PASTA, low carb COOKIES...she can have as much tuna and diet soda as she wants.
MAKE HER LUNCH.
It's work, SOA...but you want your daughter to be healthy and to lose weight.
Go to the school. Inform the teacher of what you're doing about your daughter's INTAKE. Inform them that she is not to be allowed off the grounds--for any reason--and that you would like them to peep for you and see that she's eating her lunch.
**Believe me---nosy people at schools love to do this kind of snooping for you. Give 2 or 3 people your number, but make sure they understand that your daughter is not to be confronted in any way.
However, you will have to FORCE your daughter to promise you that she will eat only the healthy lunches that you prepare for her.
Because she's at school...and there is anxiety....you should make the lunch FULL,PLENTIFUL and have good stuff in there. This is where you allow a few extra carbs.
More than anything...begin to keep a notebook on the "emotional" state of your daughter. Try to find out WHY she medicates herself with food...or uses food to avoid other issues.
There is always a ROOT CAUSE and it's almost always emotional growing pains with children.
The effects of obesity can follow them into adulthood if you don't treat the Psychological factors...because the FOOD INTAKE is just a sympton...a medicating valve that they pull.
Also...as much as possible...you and your daughter have BIG SALADS (with all the fixings!) on some of those dinner nights---say to her, "it's just us girls having a special salad with shrimp and pineapple tonight, because we've had a hard day and we deserve it"---get the men to complain (play act) that it's not fair that you guys get to eat these wonderfully stuffed salads.
And SOA...she's a CHILD...so it's OK for her to have grand salads with plenty of meat and LOW CARB dressing. This, along with the regular walking and the decrease in calories and carbs...will EASILY and SURELY bring down her weight over a year's period....and it will TRAIN HER...TRAIN HER....to eat more healthy and to find another outlet for her anxieties.
One of your biggest obstacles, however, might be OTHER KIDS--peer pressure. SO if there's any of that, seek counseling (without your daughter) on how to Psyche her into not listening to/eating with friends.
This will be a very HARD task for you...but if you can tough it out for a year and be disciplined....your daughter will benefit greatly and then you will know HOW to keep her weight in check.
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Thumper
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Hello All,
SOA: Gawd, you all don't know how I HATE, ABSOLUTELY HATE FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART, to do this but I have to agree with what's her name. I just want to add a few tips.
When it comes to the salad, if its a tossed or spring mix salad, use an oil based salad dressing, ie Italian, Raspberry Vingeritte, dressings like that. The reasoning behind that is that most of the dressing will coat the salad and any excess will end up at the bottom of the bowl.
Use plant base oil when sauteing (sp) or frying your food. If there is any form of oil that gets solid in room temperature, you don't want to use it, ie butter, Crisco or bacon grease. Use Olive oil, Canola oil, peanut oil, etc.
As far as Bread, pasta or anything made with flour. I wouldn't entirely cut all that out. Not all flour is bad. The general rule of thumb is the more processed the flour, the less good it is for you. The average All-Purpose, Bleach flour is bad. Flours that are better: whole wheat, multi-grain, cornmeal, Rye, even all purpose unbleached flour to name a few. Switch to All-purpose unbleach flour. Also, depending on the recipe, you can subsitute a cup of all-purpose unbleach flour with whole wheat flour. Instead of making sandwiches with white bread, switch to whole wheat bread or those slightly more expensive multi-grain breads. The bread I eat is an Earthgrains whole wheat bread. I like this one because is that I can eat two slices of this whole wheat bread that has the same amount of carbs (approx. 15 grams of carb) in one slice of normal wheat bread. Pasta, falls under the same category. It doesn't take much to make your own pasta. When time permit, I make my own pasta, whole wheat, spinach mostly.
Although its more convenient to eat all pre-made food, if you can help it helps to make your food if possible, its the only way you can control what goes into your food. I've learned that it doesn't have to take all day to make a good meal.
Cut out the pop! It doesn't make a difference, diet or not, cut it out. Soda Pop has a hell of a lot of sugar in it and no nutriental value. Switch to diet soda if anyone has to have a pop, but if you can elminate it please do. Drink water. Now, I don't like the taste of plain water. I take my water by drinking Crystal Lite. They have a small variety of flavors. My favorite is the lemonade. The benefit of this move is that Crystal lite has no carb. It's basically flavored water. Second, if the body drinks nothing but water, it help increase the body's metabolism.
Sugar: I wouldn't say throw out the sugar. But, I would start using a sugar substitue when and where you can. For instance, my brother uses Splenda when he makes his Kool-Aid. I use it in most of my bake goods. Splenda happens to be the one I like best. My cousin's wife loves Equal. have a taste of all of them and use the one you like the taste of best.
I would strongly recommend taking a class for diabetics. You know I'm diabetic. When I was diagnosised I had to take a class. In the class, I was taught what to eat, how much, what to look out for, how to read the labels on food (just because a product may say Low Fat, or Low Carb doesn't mean that it is). My instructor showed us why diets don't work in the long term. But with a few moderation, and paying attention, your family can eat healtier, get plenty to eat, and feel better. They are huge, noticable changes so you will be able to do them without your 11 year old knowing about it. I paid attention to the class, followed it, and for over 4 years now my blood sugar level has been in the normal range WITHOUT my having to take insuline. Couple this with walking at least 30 minutes a day, 4-5 times a week, I've lost over 40 pounds.
If there are these classes available in your area, sign up. The one I took was free. So maybe you and your husband can attend a session. |
Moonsigns
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SOA,
This is plain and simple --UNREFINED foods. No preservatives, no additives, no white flour, no white sugar and nothing processed. One may think what is left, but there are many, many options --nuts, seeds, greens, fish, poultry, lean beef, tons of fresh veggies, fresh fruit, nut butters, unsalted organic butter, organic yogurt (Brown Cow), high quality unrefined oils, goat cheeses, organic milk products, beans (hummus), whole eggs, olives, RAW honey (still has the enzymes in tact) --good stuff! Eating this way is not a diet, but a way of life AND satisfying! Your daughter doesn't need to be on a "diet", she needs to eat more high-quality, nutrient dense foods and avoid packaged, over-processed, nutrient-lacking food. We are the most overfed, malnourished country in the world. BTW, AVOID all artificial sweeteners --they are POISON --please trust me.
When one doesn't burn the carbs they eat, they "wear" them. If you aren't going to burn them, don't eat them --I learned this from Udo Erasumus himself (he is a BRILLIANT man).
Good books to help in this transition are as follows:
The Makers Diet by Dr. Jordan Rubin
Nourishing Traditions by Sally Fallon
Fats that Heal and Fats that Kill by Udo Erasums
Informative web-sites:
1) Udoerasmus.com (info on nutrition and unrefined oils)
2) Gardenoflifeusa.com (info on superior supplements)
3) westonaprice.org (incredible info on general health and nutrition)
4) curezone.com
Of course, incorporate some kind of excercise. Movement is natural and fun. Unfortunately, we are socialized to believe it is yet, another chore. Try hiking, walking, tennis, dancing, rock climbing, swimming, cycling, basketball, soccer --the list goes on and on. Make it an adventure, and kids love adventures! As wysteria has said, walk. It is so good and a great time to chat and unwind from the day. Make it your family time, or your time to share with her.
Eating is a life affirming act. Never eat rushed (it disrupts digestion and absorption of nutrients). Enjoy this process and make it a celebration of life! Blessings to you and your daughter as you make positive life changes!
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Moonsigns
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SOA,
For some eye-opening info on a brand name, artificial sweetener, go to www.dorway.com
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Soulofaauthor
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Miss_wysteria,Thumper,Moonsigns,I agree with what all of you have said.But let me first of all tell you what my husband cooked for dinner today.We had pork chops some fried and some smother's.Mash potatoe's,green beans(lot's of butter),And less I forget the gravey my husband so lovingly made.And to top it off a butter roll/w black walnut ice cream.This is what my husband cooked today for dinner while I was at work.Now how do you tell you child you can't eat this? And, how do you tell you your husband who say in one breath yes Amanda might be to big.Yet I am steadily forcing fatty food's on her to stop.When my baby goes outside to ride her bike she can only ride for a few second's.I can buy us clothes and we share them,whereas,my 14 year old is so skinny I also worry about her.I liked to idea about having her to go on a walk with me and we did it for a minute but seriously,she would take a snack with her.She has a good heart,she's brilliant in school,all the teacher's love her,she read's book's even I wouldn't touch,She's wrote book on the p.c. And has even told me she's be called to preach.Should I really just leave her alone? |
Soulofaauthor
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Oh yes and by the way thump I tried equal today and it just wasnt doing it cause my baby just added more to her tea till it was just nasty.And I have to admit I relented.She love's salad's though and I am going to try to make her a salad/w vingear oil for lunch tomorrow.I'll let ya'll know how that turn's out . |
Thumper
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Hello All,
SOA: Me personally, I can only stand Equal in my coffee. For all of my other needs I use Splenda, cereal, muffins, cookies. Because Splenda is made from sugar, it holds its taste a lot better. Try it. If that doesn't work, try Nutrasweet. None of them will taste or act exactly like sugar. It will take some getting use to because no matter how good the sugar subsitute is, you will always detect a bitter after taste at first. Within a week you won't.
The dinner your husband cooked doesn't sound all that bad. From my point of view, all he needed to do is make a couple of subsitute. Smother pork chops--use unbleached flour, canola oil, no fat sodium reduced chicken stock or just plain water when making that gravy. Mash Potatoes: instead of milk or heavy cream, again use the no fat sodium reduced chicken stock. Instead of butter, sub in very good olive oil. Trust me, you will be hard pressed to tell the difference. There are very good butter spread on the market as well, I Can't Believe it not butter being the main one. The butter roll (damn, I need to marry your husband. I haven't had a good ol butter roll in long time.) Sub the sugar used in the butter roll with Splenda, since Splenda measures exactly like sugar, the taste will still be there. Use unbleached all purpose flour and sub one cup of flour with one cup of whole wheat flour and you should be good to go on the butter roll. Believe it or not, the black walnut ice cream is the only thing I wouldn't change.
There a cookbooks out here that provides recipes that notes the subsitutes so that your family can still eat the dinner your husband cooked while not scarficing taste. The two books I would immediately recommend is:
1.) The Good Carb Cookbook by Sandra Woodruff. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1583330844/aalbccom-20
I had this book way before the Low Carb thing became the fad. This book will explain the glymeric (sp) index to you. It will explain tthe difference between good carbs and bad carbs and why you can not totally eliminate carbs from your daily diet because the body still need sugar for energy. Woodruff will take you through the difference in flour, rice, potatoes, et al, all of the foods that the low carb dieters will tell you are no no's. Then she will give you about 300 recipes that are low carb and good. Many of these recipes you will find you have always been eating. It's an awesome book.
2.) Down-Home Wholesome by Danella Carter. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0452273250/aalbccom-20
This one has all of the food that we are use to eating like smothered pork chops, mash potatoes, gravy, biscuits etc. The book is out of print, but Amazon.com has some used copies for sell cheap.
And about the salad, my brother has another tip. he doesn't like Italian dressing. He still love French Dressing. So what he does is he has the dressing in a small cup on the side. Then he takes his fork and dip it into the French dressing and then get a fork full of salad. I haven't tried it because my dressing of choice has always been Italian dressing.
What your family is embarking on is a lifestyle change. It will take time for you all to get use to. The beauty of it is that by incorporating a few things, you all will find that its really not that big of deal. The benefits that you will receive is incredible. Sign up for that class though. The instructors have a wealth of information that are useful and practical. Good luck! |
Soulofaauthor
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Thumper thank you for the good advice.Now for Sunday dinner I am not doing any better.Cause I made two lemon mer. pies for dessert.Any way when I made the salad my baby was like where is the french dressing(her favorite).I am going to go over to amazon and order that book thanks again Thumper. |
Crystal
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SOA: I think everyone has given you good advice:
Don’t use the word “diet”
Avoid white foods: sugar, flour, pasta, potatoes
No sodas [this is a hard one for kids]
Move the body
Avoid processed foods
Avoid fast food joints - cook, cook and cook some more.
It takes a while to get used to all the shopping, cooking and cleaning up but there’s nothing more important for our health.
Having your daughter help in preparing the meals will give her ownership of it and she’ll be more likely to eat it. How about giving her the veggie detail?
Thumper: I’m so glad you have a doctor that understands the importance of lowering the carbs for diabetics. So many of them still don’t. When my Mother was diagnosed with diabetes her doctor told her to cut her carbs down to 30 grams a day immediately. She did and has never been on medication in the 6 years since being diagnosed.
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Moonsigns
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Thumper (and anyone else interested),
Because you have shared that you have diabetes, I thought this would be of great interest to you! Check out this web-site www.rosedalemetabolics.com
I was/am sorry to read of your relatives death. Obviously, I am very passionate about self-care and one taking ownership of their health. We all have a story. I had been sick for quite awhile, and until recently, only started to become better. I had suffered immensely at the hands of doctors who I really trusted. In order to regain my health I have had to work very, very hard and it has been a very long, sometimes lonely, journey. Holistic/unconventional methods are the only thing that changed the course of my health and my life. I hope that you read this web-site and I hope you continue to live in health and wellness --truly and sincerely!
Crystal, I think you will like this web-site as well!
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Crystal
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Thanks for the link Moonsigns. I'll check it out. I've heard of Dr. Rosedale and I believe he used to work with Dr.s Michael and Mary Dan Eades in Colorado whose low carb book is called Protein Power Plan which really gives a good explanation of what our bodies do with the food we eat.
You are so right about doctors. We CANNOT just take what they say any more. We have to do our homework. My Mom was lucky she happened up on one who knows what he was talking about - at least about this issue.
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Abm
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All,
Thank you for you generous information. There is so much valuable information here to choose from. Some of it I have already adopted. 2% milk, wheat (not white) flour/bread, olive oil and Splenda are family staples. Others I will consider incorporating.
We seldom eat red meat (though some times a man’s just GOT to devour some steak or his scrotum might shrivel up and disappear). And we almost never eat pork. Fish, chicken and turkey are flesh of choice. You’d be shocked by how good I can make turkey burgers and bacon taste.
But we still drink WAY more soda than we should.
Thumper,
You make some valid and persuasive points about how Moonsigns has done what she accused A_womon. It reminds of something I recently said to Yukio that he took exception to. We all to varying degrees/circumstance generalize/stereotype. And that makes for conveniently lazy, unimaginative thinking. So as we accuse others of such, we should be mindful that it is likely that still others may see that glowering demon emanating from within us as well.
And I would likely concur that Aretha Franklin is the "best singer in the history of recorded music". Calling her simply the "Queen of Soul" is is far to restrictive a moniker to tab her with. She's the reigning monarch of ALL American music.
Although I think Chaka Khan, Barbra Streisand and Ella Fitzgerald could share the stage with her. I am hard-pressed to recall a single male that I would consider to be in Aretha’s class, other than Ray Charles (and maybe Pavoratti).
Soulofaauthor,
I will pray that your daughter gets all the help she needs to grow into a wonderfully bright and healthy woman. My departed friend also was heavy when he was a young child, although he lacked the support system that you obviously have attempted to provide for your daughter. I think Miss_wysteria advice seems quite useful here. The key is to try to help her in a more holistic manner or in ways that are natural, less drastic and emotionally/physically damaging. I think had my friend gotten the help/love that you are giving your child, perhaps he might be still here today. |
Cynique
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Well, I'll take my usual position of debunking legnds, and I'm ready for the heat. Nobody could touch Aretha in her day. But her day is over. She now substitutes volume for modulation and hollers a song instead of singing it, sounding like a caterwalling banshee. Patti LaBelle still has it. Her range and tonality are amazing. Chaka is hangin in there. |
Abm
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Cynique,
I agree that even Aretha's powers are waning. But I judge her over the full expanse of her legendary career which in it's totality is utterly without peer. But yes, not even Aretha is immortal.
And would agree that Patti's voice is powerful, though it wanes when she sings at lower decibel levels and tonal registers. She sounds a bit twangy (at least for my tastes).
And, really, considering how LONG she's been at at, let me ask a simple question: Does Patti have ANY truly great songs within her singing repertoire?
Chaka Khan. Well, she’s Chaka Khan. She is my heart. I just love her. Why? Well, because she's Chaka Khan. <sighing> |
Cynique
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How about "If Only You Knew". And the one Nelly sampled and sang a duet with Kelly Rowe on "I Want You, I Need You." And of course, her signature song, "Lady Marmelad." |
Abm
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Cynique,
Okay. I've gottah admit it. I LOVE THOSE SONGS. Though they don't compare with Aretha's very best, they are fantastic in their own right.
I just think Patti has relied too much on winning you over via blaring out that patented raging crescendo of her's she concludes her songs with. Aretha’s singing is, however, fantastic from beginning to end.
I believe LaBelle might have had a more significant career, perhaps one nearly apar with Aretha’s if she had been less apt to and/or less capable of belting out some rousing ending and instead concentrate on realizing/maximizing the full depth/breadth of her voice.
Also, Patti seems to be as much a personality as she is a singer. Which is fine. But, as great as her voice is, if her persona had been as understated (if not downright 'frumpy') as Aretha has often been, she likely would not still be an especially popular entertainer. |
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