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Chrishayden
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 532
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, August 18, 2004 - 11:37 am: | 
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I was sitting back thinking on the sorry state of affairs that the nation has come to and got to thinking again if GWB was the best that the Republican party could come up with for a Presidential candidate.
I guess maybe he was the best for the purposes of the cabal that sponsored him, but I started thinking about who else they could have had, and started thinking that Colin Powell would have been a logical candidate.
Of course, we all know why he wasn't Da man--or do we? I have spoken to others about this (yes, I do speak to other people) and they have all agreed that if Colin Powell had been white he would have been President. And maybe--just maybe the current mess would have been avoided.
Is that right? And is that an indictment of this nation? |
Abm
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Abm
Post Number: 788
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, August 18, 2004 - 11:48 am: |
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Chris,
I happen to believe that had Powell run, he could have won (assuming of course he was NOT assassinated prior to Election Day).
If I recall correctly, I think it was alleged to have been his wife's concerns or health that caused him to chicken out. |
Chrishayden
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 534
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, August 18, 2004 - 12:30 pm: |
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Abm:
I don't think he would have been nominated and, had he been nominated he would not have won.
The U.S. is still not ready for a black person to occupy the White House--at least not one like Colin Powell.
I think right now the only person who I know could run and win is Oprah Winfrey--providing she ran as a conservative Republican. |
Cynique
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Cynique
Post Number: 1015
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, August 18, 2004 - 12:53 pm: |
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Colin Powell does have a degree of charisma, but I never thought of him as a man of great intellect or strong convictions. He's just a team player who goes along with the program. This makes for a good "Care-Taker" but is it the stuff of presidential timbre? Of course, George Bush is proof that you don't have to have any outstanding qualities to be a good president, - unless, of course, you're black. |
Abm
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Abm
Post Number: 791
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, August 18, 2004 - 01:25 pm: |
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Chris,
I find it a bit 'boilerplate' Black dogma to presume that Powell could not have been elected simply because "The U.S. is still not ready for a black person to occupy the White House." I think there was indeed a window where if events would have fallen a certain way, Powell could have been nominated/elected.
I agree though that Oprah is probably is as electable as any Black person.
Cynique,
I find it highly improbable that a Black man could become Head of the Joint Chiefs of Staffs of the US Military if he did not have a "great intellect and strong convictions". I might not share and concur with what he knows/believes, but surely would have to enjoy ample helpings of such. |
Chrishayden
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 536
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, August 18, 2004 - 01:41 pm: |
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Cynique:
As the architect of the victory in Gulf War I, which dispelled the Vietnam Syndrome (which GWB was so lonesome for he brought it back) Powell had the stature of an Eisenhower. Rememember I Like Ike? He was no ball of fire either, and was noted primarily for being a team player. |
Cynique
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Cynique
Post Number: 1016
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, August 18, 2004 - 01:42 pm: |
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Are you serious? The upper echelon of the military have never been known for being intellectual or "passionate. They are always strategic team players, more pragmatic than intellectual. You surely are not under the impression that Eisenhower was an intellect. When he was president of Columbia University, he embarrassed the administration with his ignorance of anything that didn't pertain to the military. MacArthur and Patton had great warrior mentalitites but were both more egotistical than intellectual. |
Cynique
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Cynique
Post Number: 1017
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, August 18, 2004 - 01:45 pm: |
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Chris, that response was directed at Abm. |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 792
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, August 18, 2004 - 02:16 pm: |
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Cynique,
I guess it depends on HOW you define being an "intellectual". But I don't believe that being a "team player" inherently precludes one from being "intellectual". Nor do I think being a "intellectual" is wholly tantamount to whether enjoys special facility over rote facts/dogma/theories.
And I don't know if Eisenhower was an "intellectual". But his alleged failure as president of Columbia University does not prove he was not a particularly enlighten man. It may mean he stunk at (and/or bored by) being a school administrator...or he was simply at that point of his life a spent ol' man.
However, I don't think the first Black president will have to be as "intellectual" as say a Dr. Ben Carson or Prof. Cornel West. If anything, his being TOO 'smart' might scare off allot of voters, White and Black.
BTW: I'm not sure if this is relevant, but Gen. Patton was as well-versed in the Western Classics as most liberal arts professors. |
Cynique
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Cynique
Post Number: 1018
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, August 18, 2004 - 03:30 pm: |
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Is neurosurgeon Ben Carson an intellectual??? Just wondering.
Anyway, to me, an intellectual is a keen thinker with a broad scope of knowlege. To me this, along with a command of leadership and a sense of history should be what a man brings to the post of president. But I admit this has not been the case of many who held this office. |
Abm
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Abm
Post Number: 803
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, August 18, 2004 - 07:47 pm: |
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Cynique,
I saw Dr. Carson on the recent annual State of Black American program (sponsored by Tavis Smiley and Tom Joyner). He appeared to me to be a man of interests that widely transcended those of medicine.
In fact, though I witnessed limits segments of his commentary, his perspective appeared to be as provocative as those of a modern day Malcolm X. |
Watastar
Newbie Poster
Username: Watastar
Post Number: 21
Registered: 07-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, August 18, 2004 - 11:49 pm: |
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Sure Colin will be President.
When Hell freezes over.
Or atleast when Amerikkka is no longer held together by the glues of the illusion of white supremacy.
Okay. Maybe he should bank on the frozen Hell thing... |
Cynique
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Cynique
Post Number: 1032
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 19, 2004 - 12:36 pm: |
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Speaking of which, where is Colin? Somewhere holed up in a bunker, playing gin rummy with Rumsfeld? He will not be appearing at the Republican Convention. That sends some kind of a message, doesn't it? |
Klb
Regular Poster
Username: Klb
Post Number: 49
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 19, 2004 - 07:35 pm: |
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There was one point when I would say he had a chance. The Bush/911/WMD situation caused him to loose a lot of respect from whites and AAs |
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