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Chrishayden
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Abm--Enjoy!

Chris

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The Essay
by Sloane Crosley
Butt Seriously
From The Book of J.Lo: We may be through with the ass but the ass isn't through with us
August 11 - 17, 2004


How could I leave this behind?
(photo: Drew Hillman)


hite girls with big asses, man. There goes another one, a J. Crew cardigan riding up atop a buttock so big, so out of place, it makes you wonder if Serena Williams woke up this morning wondering where her ass went. Temperatures are going up, taking hemlines with them, and the trendy white ass is hanging out there like a couple of upside-down Tasty-D scoops. They're taking over this city. They're everywhere I turn: in dressing rooms, in store windows, in that pond with the little boats—anywhere I can look down and see my own reflection. Yes, I'm one of them and it seems strange to admit something so plain, but until recently the subject has been almost completely taboo among the SPF 40 set. If I said even now (in front of a man or woman of any race for that matter) that I think I have a big butt, they encourage me to deny it. "You have a great ass," they say. Which, ahem, isn't the issue in question. And all that protesting, all that mutually exclusive commentary about how big versus how appealing, leads a 5-5 pallid girl to wonder: What is it, exactly, about the ass right now?

On the street, men tell us we've got a "phat ass" and most of us immediately jump to some bad comedy film scene where a blue-haired lady in a Talbot's suit whispers in our ear, "That's how 'they' say it, dear. It's a compliment.' " I hate this woman because (a) in my fantasy she usually smells like turnips and (b) she's a bigot. But she comes to me every time, and believe me this means every damn day. The basic difference between white women getting hit on or hollered at for their butts versus black women getting the same harassment is that these men, I think, are surprised by my ass. On the walk to work, on the subway platform, at a bar—they're surprised all over this town. And it is the surprise that validates their double take. I've seen how black women get looked at and for better or worse their whole body seems to register. Their hair, their breasts, their shoulders . . . a gaze may start at the ass, butt it moves right along. Thus I think the white girl's fascination with a flat ass comes not so much from the desire to have a flat ass (also known as a "flass"), but the desire to shift focus onto something else. With no form of below-the-ab-quator entertainment, eyes become bored, wander to more uni-racially appealing parts like breasts or shoulders or nice arches.

In a shocking turn of events, the major women's magazines are trying to encourage this "cover that thing up" mind-set despite every clothing storefront in the city showing off their half-naked mannequins. Since May, magazines have been loaded with rear-view, waist-down pictures of women, and they all say something like this: Big bottom? Avoid horizontal stripes or patterns that draw attention to your backside. Read: "You're a lard ass, honey. Lay off the 4 a.m. China Fun and go see a movie with that disjointed and meaningless makeup ad starring Julianne Moore and Halle Berry [because they really need the work] for similar messages." And you know what? In every damn photo on every glossy page is a little sliver of exposed pale skin. Of course, if that same skin were darker some intern from the suburbs would get more nasty letters than she could open in a single summer. Those same magazines claim that this fall, the miniskirt will die. It will slit its seams with back issues of Vogue or hurl itself on to the runway, but it will be very dead. Time to cover up. Bring out the pearls and the tweed 'cause Prada's got a brand new bag and it's burlap. But can a whole body part really go out of season? Can it be trendy? According to Ludacris it can. From Blow It Out: "Plus I'm the new phenomenon like white women with ass." White girls showing off their big booties is a novelty and, as such, a rapidly endangered concept. So be warned: If the magazines and lyrics have their way, this may be the last season of the ass.

And OK. On the one cheek, I'm fine with that. I have to admit to being a longtime horizontal stripe-ist. In spite of what I've seen this summer, I'm having a tough time letting go of a lifetime of black pants. I'm still sick of not being able to find a pair of jeans that doesn't either gap at the waist or make me look like a plumper. I'm sick of playing musical hangers with department store bikinis and of my reflection lasting a millisecond too long in a store window. What is that passage from The Book of J.Lo? We may be through with the ass but the ass isn't through with us. My ass has a spine of its own, seeming to move in one block, detached from the swooshing of my legs like it's following me around and if I run really fast I'll lose it.

I've tried that once, incidentally. There was one week a few months ago when three—count them—three, free one-week memberships to gyms fell into my lap/mailbox: New York Sports Club, Reebok Sports Club, and the David Barton Gym. I thought, OK, God wants me to burn some carbs. But it was more than that. This ass, I thought. This ass should not be attached to white chicken legs. This ass is on a foreign-exchange program. This ass is lost. Time to send it home. So I piggybacked my free memberships and worked out every day for nearly a month. I stretched and ran and learned the many aspects of treadmill etiquette. Apparently, it's a sort of female version of the public urinal. Eyes front! No smiling! And no, I don't think I would take the same measures if I were black because the majority of black asses I've seen in my life look like they belong where they are—they're sexy and they fit. Their overarching bootyliciousness is a side-effect of plain old genetics. Yeah, well, I'm white as the day is long, so what about me? Unless we start getting used to the idea that some white girls are simply built like this too, I'm completely subject to the fad. Where's my ass's raison d'être? Do I really only get one summer before it's back to the anti-back?

Say it isn't so. I welcome the omigod-Becky-would-you-look-at-her-Nordic-baby-got-back trend and plan to perpetuate my ass off. Literally. Viva la bone-white booty. I don't particularly feel like shoving it in the back of the closet with my horizontal-striped pants come fall. My ass isn't perfect for someone else's body because it's not on someone else's body. It's time to embrace that. Better yet, it's time to have some else embrace that. Either way, the "phenomenon" is just confirming what we white girls with big asses have known for years. There's always been a secret society of us. At our best we smile at each other on the street like honking Jeeps passing in the night, encouraging and sympathetic and exclusive all at once. At our worst, well—at least my ass isn't as big as hers, right? For this summer in this city at any rate, I've found more of the former. White female butts are on display as never before and they're being checked out by people of every race, sex, and contact prescription. Whether that's inappropriate or violating, whether it's motivated by jealousy or lust, is a different issue for a colder day when we're not all trying to show off and get tan in public. For now, anything that makes New Yorkers grin at each other even on a crowded and sweltering subway platform is OK by me.



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Sloane Crosley is a writer living in New York. She likes to keep her ass out of trouble as much as possible.
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Posted on Thursday, August 12, 2004 - 11:59 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Chris,

Eh? Thanks, I think(?) But Chris. We both know that were I to engage in a full discussion on this subject (in my on 'inimitable' way), things would quickly spin out of control, Troy would likely have to delete the thread and Thumper would hand me my git-the-@#$%-on-up-outtah-here walking papers.

But I will say this: I have observed what appears to be a growing number of amply-bottom White girls. Although, every time I see them, I can't help thinking that SOMEONE is probably unaware of or is hiding a Negro branch on their (allegedly pure) White family tree.

Or maybe they are simply using one of those J-Lo butt enhancers I think I saw on QVC.
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Posted on Thursday, August 12, 2004 - 12:19 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I just saw this red-head with a serious bootie! NO kidding! Up in the cafeteria. I was walking right, and I wasn't looking to eyeball nobody for real, but it just kind of jumped out at me. It wasn't flat at all. It was the size of a basketball and perfectly round and she had on gray pants that wasn't too tight. Just around the apogee of that perfect potato. From the rearview you would've sworn she was a sista. What's up with that? I see this phenomena more often. Is something in the water down at the country club or something that these white broads are finely growing some tail?
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Posted on Thursday, August 12, 2004 - 12:38 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Lambd,

You think increasing incidents for onion-packing White girls in part explains why some younger brothers are (allegedly) going the way of the 'swirl'?
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I think it has some direct effect on a brother's psyche, yes. It certainly affected mine this morning. Homegurl was p-h-a-t!
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Lambd,

Uh oh, dude. You bettah watch it. I think that's that slave-wanting-payback-on-Missy-Anne gene that is revving up inside of you.

Quick. Go buy the latest Essence magazine and use it to 'relieve' yourself of your evil longings of racial infidelity.

HEHE!
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Posted on Thursday, August 12, 2004 - 12:56 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

What should a single brother do if he sees a white girl that's phat as hell and got an nice face (with full lips)? How bout she strikes like she's interested and it turns out she's got a really nice personality? Should he pass because her mom and dad are white? Should he jump dead on it and see where he can take it? I aint about to jump out there, I just want your opinions on this subject.
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Posted on Thursday, August 12, 2004 - 01:25 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Lambd,

Man! We know what a playah gonna do in that sitcheashon. He's gonna "...knock it out the box, Rick!"

Just don't be going all I am forever foregoing the sistahs to "play in the snow" on us. Cuz, really, it ain't even that serious.
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Posted on Thursday, August 12, 2004 - 01:50 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I read this article the other day and think it is pretty funny!

Lambd
My opinion on this subject is that every woman has something beautiful to offer. If the opportunity presents itself to get to know somebody better, somebody who seems attracted to you, why not? When it all comes down to it, women are women, period!

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Both of you have very valid points and I will take everthing you have said into consideration...But I'll have to do my considering later cuz I saw which office that redhead white gurl went in and I'm bout to catch up to dat azz...Literally! I want to get to know her for her mind of course. I want to see if she feeling me the way I'm bout to be feeling her...feel me?

Moonie, you are really getting to be something special up in this piece. You need to stick around. My Cee-Cee been awfully quiet lately and I may need someone to talk to. You seem to be intelligent and you obviously have a sense of humor...dat azz aint bad either, from what I can see of it. What U think, Abm? Is it nice enough to pass the Abm test? Will you stamp it with your Dr. Freak stamp of approval?

Moonie: (betweem me and you) Abm will approve a tree stump so long as it stay still long enough for him to get a good look at it.
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Posted on Thursday, August 12, 2004 - 02:46 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Okay, the following will come off as being politically incorrect. But here goes:


See, it’s like this Lambd. I am all for a brother working thru any White, Asian, Hispanic, Native American, (...twins, triplets, stewardess, candy stripper, nurse, geriatric, paraplegic, etc.) fetishes he’s got so long as the participants can legally consent. I think, especially when he is young, a brothah should exercise all of his delusions/fantasies about women. Otherwise, he may ruefully amble on into middle/elder years lamenting lustful energies/times/opportunities not enjoyed.

But, see, these White girls can be ‘clever’. Brothers mistakenly forget that the very FIRST and primary teacher of White men (their arch nemesis) are White WOMEN.

Yeah. In the beginning brothahs start out the big @#$% Mandigo warrior etc. et. al. Yeah, she’s erecting temples and shrines to a brothah mojo. His head gets all puff up.

But soon enuff, a lot of them quickly go from being the big mofo on campus and to the school mascot.

Next thing you know, they can’t think straight cause Missy Anne done mentally carried their gullible @$$e$ back to a ‘antebellum’ state of mind. After while, its unclear if he...or is it she...who is now the one who stands to take-a-leak.

Lambd, all I am saying is this: If you go the route of the Great White Way, until she proves to be worthy of more, treat ‘it’ like she stole something...then toss ‘it’ (& her) out with last months newspaper. Cuz if you don’t, you may discover that you, not she, is the one who’s getting bent over.


Happy Hunting!
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Moonsigns,

Please ignore what follows...


Lambd,

Playah. You've gottah learn to be patient.

How many times I got skool you up on things. You gottah read a sistah's 'smoke signals' BEFORE you 'rain' down on her, Chief.
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Thanks for keeping me straight, sir. I will, as always, heed your advice...But you should see this thing! It's like two gorillas inside of a knapsack fighting over a banana!...Seriously...I feel where you coming from, but I'm open and if Jordan pass me the ball, I gotta shoot my shot, man!
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Lambd,

Well then, you know whatchu gottah do, playah: To quote (the FORGETABLE) Bell, Biv Devoe..."Slap it up, flip and rub it down!...OH NO!"


Oh, one teeny question: She is 'legal' right? Cuz I doubt you got that R. Kelly "that ain't me but even if it is, she's over 18" kinda green. And even his dough probably wouldn't work if you get caught up layin' wood to an underaged redhead.

So check that Driver's License first, Chief!
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Oh, you men can be so dumb, these white chicks just alla the sudden done started growin asses out the thin air? Maybe they bout to coin a new phrase like "I'm saving up my money for an ass job to match my new boobs!"

Lambd: What's up witcha kid? You trynna live in the jungle? You feelin feverish? Who'd a thought iT??
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"There's always been a secret society of us. At out best we smile at each other on the street like honking Jeeps passing in the night."

This is the best line out of the entire thing!



"It's like two gorillas in a knapsack fighting over a banana"-Lambd

Too funny Lambd, too funny!


Abm
You do what you feel you need to do. It doesn't bother me a bit. It is actually quite interesting to read/hear what people think about interracial relationships, especially when they aren't in one themselves.

btw, the hype of "junlge fever" is just that --hype.



Male/female attraction, regardless of race, is unpredictable, intriguing, passionate and fun!
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oops, typo!

"junlge" --I meant to write "jungle"

:-)



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Posted on Friday, August 13, 2004 - 12:15 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

and...maybe not!
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Ladies,

I am kidding (mostly). Hey. These are things people (often mistakenly/haphazardly) think/feel on the subject. Moonsigns, I have been 'there' and most definitely done 'that'. Ain't no biggie. Cause I agree that in the end, it all breaks down one individual man dealing with one individual woman.

But come on now, let us, at least on occasion, inject a little unapologetic masculinity into the ether ever now and again. Shall we?

A_womon, what you say about White women getting butt jobs maybe true. But what women don't realize is a dude don't care about HOW you got IT, so long as when HE gets to it the gettin' is GOOD.

And come on now, yawl. Let's avoid putting the C-block on Lambd's redheaded ambitions. Just let'em work out his "the fieldhand's been called up to the mistress's boudoir" phase. And don't worry. Like a St. Bernard, I'll help guide him back outtah dah 'snow'.


Lambd,

Let me know if the "carpet matches the drapes".
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Abm

I'm glad that we agree that in the end, it all breaks down to one individual man dealing with one indivdual woman. 9 out of 10 times, it is just that. You're right, "it ain't no biggie" --just another relationship. Some are good, some are bad, some are twisted, some aren't. That is why I say all the ideas, notions, stereotypes and myths about "jungle fever" are indeed hype!

Abm wrote to Lambd:
"Just don't be going all I am forever foregoing the sistahs to "play in the snow" on us."

Good point Abm. During the course of my life, I have been fortunate enough to not encounter black men who have such a twisted mentality. I know they are out there, but again, glad I haven't met any. Love can't be boxed --women are women, period!

Abm
you are again right when you make the point about men not caring "how" a woman "got IT" --that is purely irrelevant to them. Unfortunately, men contribute to setting these superficial standards that can be harmful to women's health. I do think that, that is sad. Continue to have your fun!



I recently saw some program about an Asian chic getting a butt implant. It was a disgusting procedure, however, I guess if it makes her happy, so be it.

Much respect!
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Viggo, the coast is clear for the week-end. I'll be waiting.
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Posted on Friday, August 13, 2004 - 10:58 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Viggo is a white woman with a big butt?
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Moonsigns,

I agree we males promulgate a mentally/emotionally damaging female image. But would you also agree that women want to incite/perpetuate those "superficial standards" as much as men seek to enjoy observing/indulging them?

Both secks are complicitous in erecting flawed beauty criteria.

Moonsigns says: "I recently saw some program about an Asian chic getting a butt implant. It was a disgusting procedure..."
ABM says: Yeah. "To make a tasty omelet, you've gottah break some eggs."


Cynique says: "Viggo, the coast is clear for the week-end. I'll be waiting."
"Viggo" says: (~"Dang! Robert De Niro was right. I need to re-up my Viagra prescription. Because these Black chicks are insatiable!"~)
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Chris,

Yeah. Cynique's beloved secret is out.

Viggo is a 1/2 Danish hermaphrodite who writes trite poetry and digs Black chicks, Brad Pitt and elves.
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What secret? The whole world knows I adore Viggo. And for verrrrry good reasons. Ummmmm.
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Everybody knows except Viggo. Now what do we label that phenomenon?
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Surely you are familiar with the word "fantasy," Chrishayden. You seem to dwell in that domain from some to time.
And let's hear it for Hidalgo! It was the #1 best-selling DVD/VHS release last week, thanks to the legions of Viggo fans. My Bohemian boy-toy rules! Sigh.
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....(yawn)...Once a redneck always a redneck.

Hey Cee-Cee, when you get tired of playing house down at the trailer park, I'm ready to play trailer park with you over at my house...GRRRROWL!
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Posted on Saturday, August 14, 2004 - 11:48 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

This must be a REALLY 'slow' month for DVD/VHS sales.

Hehe!
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Posted on Saturday, August 14, 2004 - 11:53 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

No, its just that nobody went to see Hidalshmoe at the movie theater so people probably forgot how $hi++y the reviews were.

Hardee- har- har
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Lambd,

I seems to recall Viggo's "He'lldu'em" being billed as a cheezy imitation of Lawrence of Arabia: Gay White man enjoys riding on bare horseback while lusting after dark/sweaty Arabs.

You know, that ol' chestnut.
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Viggo, my love, to what would you attribute the venom spewed your way by these male detractors? Whisper your answer in my ear and then, here in the esoteric sphere of my alternate world, we can return to exploring the mental and physical terrain of each other.
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Wh-what? What? Explore the what with the who? All a dat sounds real good and everything, but I wanna hear the dirty details of your jungle lust!

Maybe I don't wanna know. Eeeeyuck! Just the thought of you being with that sweaty white trash redneck son-of-a-dalgo makes me wanna puke my envious guts all over my computer screen. I HATE VIGGO!!!! VIGGO YOU HIDALGOROUS BASTARD!!!!!!! YOU HAVEN'T HEARD THE LAST FROM ME!!!!!!!I may have lost this battle, but this war is far from over!
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Posted on Saturday, August 14, 2004 - 12:55 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Cynique says: "Viggo, my love...Whisper your answer in my ear..."
"Viggo" says: "Okay, gurlfriend. Hey! You think ABM and Lambd would be interested in 'cruising' with me and Brad Pitt? Cuz he and I got a godawful hankering for some tasty Black 'thug passion'."
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Posted on Saturday, August 14, 2004 - 01:00 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did you hear something Viggo? Or was that just the "sound and fury of idiots saying nothing."
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Lambd,

Okay, pal. Time to refill that sedative prescription.
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Abm

I should have been more specific. I think mindless men create superficial standards. Women who are also mindless, in turn, are the ones who incite/perpetuate these superficial standards. Both are sad.
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Moonsigns,

As lofty as we pretend to be, we are still animals. And animals will respond to certain sensory stimuli certain ways. Some of

So I don't decry superficiality with our beauty standards per se. Again, I think the issue is largely about the degree/frequency and/or how much such influences our thoughts/behavior.

For instances, I think it is okay to enjoy admiring the beauty of Britney and Beyonce. But problems occur when everyone becomes so obsessed with emulating/pursuing what they have (or affect) to the degree of degrading themselves and others; or, because of their facade, we falsely attribute to them and others who (try to) look like them some unearned virtue.

I think it is for these reasons, not 'beauty' criteria in of itself, the reason why we suffer from so much trouble.
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Cynique

Might you be talking about the very handsome Viggo Mortensen?
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Moonsigns says: "Might you be talking about the very handsome Viggo Mortensen?"
ABM says: Oh crap! Not another one!
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Viggo aint $%it! He aint handsome, and he sure aint all a dat!
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Posted on Saturday, August 14, 2004 - 03:48 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

His eyes are amazing and he writes poetry --even better! I luv it!

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My eyes are amazing and I write poetry...Plus I'm all a dat!
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I been told I am a wonderous poet, I have bedroom eyes and my...well...it's all good!
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Way to go, Moonsigns!

Abm & Lambd:
Viggo paints and writes poetry for his own enjoyment. Accolades for these endeavors accrue to him from other people. He has never sought recognition for them, and is amazed at the prices his paintings command. As for his acting, he is pretty much regarded as one of the most underrated actors in Hollywood. Even so, he has won numerous stage and film awards. He speaks 3 languages fluently and has a degree in government. White trash? I think not. He's just very down to earth. Can we make a distinction between him and the roles he plays? He was also one of the first Hollywood celebs to speak out against the war in Iraq. BTW, if you guys wouldn't trash him so bad, I wouldn't find it necessary to so passionately defend my Aragorn. Just why do you two feel the need to compare yourselves to Viggo? What difference does it make if I like him?????

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Posted on Saturday, August 14, 2004 - 05:39 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Cynique

He's a good thing to have in common :-)
I think the man is beautiful in almost every way! He is an incredible actor and is so intelligent! He doesn't seem to play into that Hollywood bs either, which is great! Do you have any of his books? If so, what do you think of his poetry?
I remember reading an article about him in one of the Sunday papers not too long ago. I didn't know he had a child and is divorced.

Those eyes though --they tell stories!


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Come one! Come all!

You too can join the Viggo Mortensen Fan (@$$kissin') Club.
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Moonsigns:
Viggo's books are hard to come by because I think they are out of print and the going price for a copy of one can run as high as $100. I have read excerpts from his poems on the various Viggo fan sites and seen pcitures of his art work. It's so hard to comprehend my affinity for Viggo. I didn't make a conscious effort to become enthralled with him. But after I saw him in the Lord of the Rings trilogy, it just happened. I am as baffled as anyone about this fixation. But I have found out that I am not alone. BTW he is divorced from a punk rock singer and his teen-aged son worked as an exra in the LOTR movies.
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Wassa matter, Abm? You frustrated cuz you want somebody to rave about your eyes and swoon over your poetry and kiss your a$$?? tsk-tsk.
I don't know about you, Moonsigns, but I'm done. This isn't exactly the appropriate site for singing Viggo Mortensen's praises.
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You have never been righter, Cynique. This is definitely inappropriate. Please find somewhere else to sing the praises of Viggo Mortensen. You two are making me sick to my stomach. He is an average actor, he's plain looking, and he is a red neck! I can understand the attraction that white women have for him...but a sistah? Pulleazee! What the hell would a black woman do with that stringy haired bean pole? He looks dirty. The only thing that he could do for a black woman who is used to the real thing is point her in the direction of a honest-to-goodness poontang-punchin', pole-totin' brotha! You aint begun to know what the real meaning of jungle fever is til you been ransacked in the sack by one of the sons of Southeast! Bedded by a brotha from the Bronx? How about hooked up with a hoodrat from Harlem? You know what I mean.
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Lambd

Don't be mad 'lil lamb! Hows your redheaded friend?

btw, you from NY?
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Naw, just talking trash! I hail from the City of Chocolate. DC, baby, that's right. We in the house! I just like to pull Cynique's chain when she gets to talking about her precious Viggo. I never really mean anyone any harm. I'm just extremely talented when it comes to jonin'. I think the only one that can talk smack better is Abm. He is truly the master when it comes to talking $)it. I am truly unworthy.

Moonsigns, you really white? Or are you jiving us. I kinda like the way you say 'lil lamb. Kind of raspy and soft...You think there's something wrong with me? Everything turns me on. Once I saw two turtles fighting over a piece of lettuce and I was like, "Dayyum! Look at the way the one with round bottom shell moves her neck back and forth. That's hot!"
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oh the redhead. I did see a redhead in our building. She was really cute and had a real nice round behind, too. I didn't see again after that day so I don't know if she was visiting or not. I don't know if she was a nice girl either, I didn't get to talk to her. She would have had to be very nice for me to talk to her. I am more than a little picky when it comes to women. If you were ever a Seinfeld fan, that's me. Remember how Jerry would find something wrong with every girl he'd date. No matter how small the thing was, he would obsess over it until he talked himself out of being with the woman. That's how I am. Crazy picky.
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Lambd

I am as white, as you are black. :-)

There is nothing wrong with you. You are a man, a young man --purely natural!

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Chocolate City, huh? Do you like go-go?
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Nice knowing you, Lambd. You're too vicious and out of control for me. See ya.
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Love go-go. Its in me deep.

C-neek you rolling out? Vicious and out of control? I was just kidding about Viggo, honey. I had no idea you were this serious about him. Honestly, I thought it had to be a sort of ongoing joke. Viggo? Really? Is that his real name? I guess he's alright...I mean for a white dude and all...Heck, Cynique, if he means that much to you, I can lay off him...No matter what his forefathers done to our people. I can sit idly by and not say anything about our women worshipping at the feet of those hardly-hued, recessive gened, blue-eyed devils that have had nothing but contempt for our race from day one!
But if you feel that strongly about Viggo, I'll just keep my peace.
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Cynique,

You should know me enuff by now to know that I pulling your leg. As I said before, I am amused by your pro-Viggo rantings. They serve for me as an ample source of comedy relief.

I mean, all your/Moonsigns' stuff about how poetic, soulful and sensitive he is just cracks me up!

And to be honest, I kinda like Mortensen myself, though certainly not in your/Moonsigns' "I wannabe yo babymama" sense. He's no Brando or Denzel. But he's about as good as one should expect coming outtah LaLa land these days.

So please feel free to euphorically wax on about your noble Viggo. Just don't get upset when I try to work it into my amateur comedy routine.


BTW: I receive enuff positive feedback for my poetry and my eyes for to not require that from you. But if you want to chime in with such, please feel free to do so. :-)
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Lambd....Lambd. Don't sweat it playah! Don't ever sweat a woman diggin' another man. It makes you look like you ain't got game of your own. What should you or any Black man care about a chick going on about some frizzy-headed White dude?

So just let'm work thru their blondman fantasy. Heck, have fun with like what we've been doing. Cuz you, I, Cynique and (ESPECIALLY) Moonsigns know who's most capable of layin' the REAL real deal down.
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Lambd,

Dude. You a MUCH better $#@+ talker than me. Honestly, whenever you get going, I think "Damn! <fanninghand> Would somebody PULEASE light a match?!"

Lambd says: "No matter how small the thing was, he would obsess over it until he talked himself out of being with the woman. That's how I am. Crazy picky."
ABM says: Dude. That's not being "picky". That's called being gay.
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No, no, no, Abm. Seinfeld talks himself out of being with the women after he gets the tapioca, dude. Not before...That would be gay!
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Lambd,

Dude. In case you hadn't heard, there are ALLOT of gay guys who toss it up with chicks. Don't you remember? Oprah recently did a show about that.
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Oh, yeah...maybe I am gay. Thanks for clearing all that up for me, playah. All this time me and my ladies thought I was straight...So, if I'm gay...Hey, Abm, Yukio, Chrishayden, Carey...round or flat?....Equal time, baby, equal time. It wouldn't be right for a homo like myself to give all my attention to Moonbeam, C-neek, and A_woman.
Now would it? Don't be shy, mot(**fu^%rs, man up!
Round or flat?
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Anybody seen a triple xxx pair of pink silk panties and 54 DDD size silk cross-your-heart laying around? It aint mine...Oh yeah, they got the initials 'LMD' on 'em...coincidence...
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Say what you will, Abm, and Lambd, the fact remains that you 2 took what was a running joke and a fun situation and turned it into something mean-spirited and ugly. You say you were kidding. But you weren't. You both showed a side of your self that disappointed me. This was not about my crazy little crush on what amounts to forbidden fruit. It was about petty resentment. And nevermind about what I "see" in VM. It's about what transcends his persona and what, for some outre reason, draws me in. Finally, if either of you were lusting over some white hottie, rhapsodizing and salivating, I would tease you, yes, but I wouldn't trash the object of your desire. I would have no reason to.
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Lambd,

I didn't say that YOU were gay. I was referring to Seinfeld. However, if you feel the need to jump outtah dat closet, then you GO'N GURL!

But i ain't providing no details about my derriere. Cuz I have NO desire to be the featured subject of any of your screwball sex fantasies.


Lambd says: "Oh, yeah...maybe I am gay."
ABM says: Knowing oneself is the key to happiness.

Lambd says: "Thanks for clearing all that up for me, playah."
ABM says: Clearing up. Dude. I thought that was as plain as day.

Lambd says: "All this time me and my ladies thought I was straight"
ABM says: That's what you think. Actually, they peeped your ruse a LONG time ago.

Lambd says: "So, if I'm gay"
ABM says: "IF" you're gay? Tsk. Tsk. Still can't help denying the truth, huh?

Lambd says: "Hey, Abm, Yukio, Chrishayden, Carey...round or flat?"
ABM says: See what I told you, Chris. I knew it was only a matter of time before his true nature would show.

Lambd says: "Equal time, baby, equal time. It wouldn't be right for a homo like myself to give all my attention to Moonbeam..."
ABM says: You know. That's the same thing those DL guys were saying on Oprah.

Lambd says: "Don't be shy, mot(**fu^%rs, man up!"
ABM says: Oh. You DL guys are always so 'butch'!

Lambd says: "Round or flat?"
ABM says: STRAIGHT!
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Cynique,

This is like one of those situations I remember as when I was a kid.

A girl would invite me to play a game with her. I'd oblige. I would then adds a little flavor to the game. The girl likes, then engages in kind. Then I (almost unknowingly) get just a little bit too ruff...then the girl get's pissed and runs home in tears.

I guess some of us never REALLY grow up, huh?


You are right. I took the Viggo-bashing a bit far.

For me, it wasn't a so much a racial thing (though that has been an intriguing element of this thing). It was mostly about my teasing you a bit.

But if you desire, I will lay off Mortensen. Because, like I said, I think he's decent actor/personality. So I have no real reason to lambaste him.

And, yes, I should have been and will be more respectful of your feelings.

I can't speak for Lambd though. Because, honestly, I get the impression that he has taken your Viggo-worship a bit 'personal'.
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Posted on Sunday, August 15, 2004 - 02:26 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

You just don't get it, do you, Abm? My feelings weren't hurt. I just expected more of people who I considered clever and intelligent. (And the only flavor you added to the game was a bitter one. There was no spice there, babe.)
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Posted on Sunday, August 15, 2004 - 02:50 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Cynique,

Look. I sincerely tried to apologize to you. But your response suggests that that is not what you received. Or perhaps you don't care.

Whatever!

See, Lambd. That's why a brothah should think twice before apologizing to a chick. Cuz more times than not, they'll end up using your apology to play you like a punk.
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Posted on Sunday, August 15, 2004 - 02:57 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Case closed.
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Posted on Monday, August 16, 2004 - 01:10 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hey, Lambd. Here's your chance to tell me to go take a flying leap, but - after thinkin about it, I don't want to let a stranger come between me and a special guy like you. Your assets far outweigh you liabilities. Sooo, as far as I'm concerned, we still cool.
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Posted on Monday, August 16, 2004 - 07:46 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thank you for the reprieve, Cynique. I never stopped loving you. Viggo is a decent actor, I was just jealous cause his name was getting more space on my computer screen than mine was.

Speaking of stranger...there is no one stranger than Abm.

Abm: I'm sorry if I offended anyone here by pretending to be gay for a hot second...but seriously, if one of you guys are trying to be funny by hiding that silk bra and panties, I'm missing the joke! It aint easy finding pink silk bras and panties that will fit a six foot two inch, two hundred and fifty pound man. You got to pay extra for that crap!...or, at least thats what I hear.
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Posted on Monday, August 16, 2004 - 11:48 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I started this thread so I guess I shouldn't be able to say anything, but look at all the posts we have on a thread about butts as compared to some we have had on more lofty subjects.

Up you mighty black race! Get your minds on things above!
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Posted on Monday, August 16, 2004 - 11:56 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Abm

Just because I think he is rather intriguing doesn't mean I want to have his baby(LOL) --maybe a bit of a romance, but nothing else. There is a quality about him that, as Cynique shared, that "draws" you in. There is a quality to that energy that disturbs me. I can't all together pin point it, however, it is something in his eyes. His eyes are amazing, almost hypnotic. It is all about the energy and I feel I would succumb to his. I don't like to be out of control. Maybe that is my deeper issue with him --it's a power struggle.
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Posted on Monday, August 16, 2004 - 02:27 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Get a grip, Cynique, don't give in, try hard, bite the bullet. Be strong, I'm trying but - Vi - Vig - Vigg - Viggoooooo! Now. That felt better.
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Posted on Monday, August 16, 2004 - 03:19 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So what lofty subject should we talk about, Chris? Your upcoming book on the care and feeding of "vampyres"?
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Posted on Monday, August 16, 2004 - 04:23 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Cynique:

We could talk about Jesus.
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Posted on Monday, August 16, 2004 - 04:54 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Chris,

You're kidding. Right?


Moonsigns,

That's some pretty spooky stuff you say about effect this Viggo cat has over you. As you describe dude, I can't help thinking about actor Boris Karloff in his 1930's Dracula films: "Cooooome to me, Moonsigns. Cooooome to me!"

I guess you would be really sadden to learn that those rumors about Mortensen and Brad Pitt are true, huh?


Lambd says: "I'm sorry if I offended anyone here by pretending to be gay for a hot second"
ABM says: Gon' sing it boy: "It's raining men. Hallelujah! It's raining men. Hey! Hey!"
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Posted on Monday, August 16, 2004 - 04:58 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Abm:

No.

And that was Bela Lugosi, not Karloff. Karloff never played Dracula or any Vampyre. You got to get your Vamp tight, playa.

Bela Lugosi however was approached to do the role Karloff did--that of the monster in the original Frankenstein. He turned down the role because it was a non speaking part. Too bad. He would have had the monster thang sewed up tight.

He did, however assay the role of Ygor, the horrible hunchback, in a couple of Frankenstein sequels and eventually played the Monster in "Frankenstein meets the Wolfman"

You didn't want to know all that, did you?
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Posted on Monday, August 16, 2004 - 05:12 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Uh...thanks Chris.
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Posted on Monday, August 16, 2004 - 05:31 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Yes, let's do talk about Jesus. May he forgive us all for our sinful attempts at humor.
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STill fakin' like you aint got my bra and panties, huh? Turn 'em over, Abm! They too big for you anyway!...Damn, now I'm gonna have to wash my drawers a week early. I may as well take a bath this month too. Hey! If I wait til it rains, I can kill two birds with one stone!
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Posted on Tuesday, August 17, 2004 - 02:43 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

("Yes, officer. I know it sounds strange. But honestly, dude is right outside of my house in a pink crotchless teddy, a green feathered boa, stilletos and a 10-gallon cowboy hat. And he’s singing some weird version of "Mary had a little lambd..." Jeez! How the @#$% do I know why he’s wearing the hat...Just pulease get here in a HURRY!")
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All Re Lamb and Abm-

Don't get upset, folks! It's a common thing for males to accuse each other of homosexuality over the most innocent and innocuous actions or comments (although all them DL comments had me wondering for a while, Abm)

Abm and Lambd:

See what I mean? Y'all need Jesus!
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Posted on Wednesday, August 18, 2004 - 03:31 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Chris,

HAHA! I hear yah.

But I am also versant in Adolph Hitler's biography. That does not mean I intend to become a neo-Nazi.

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