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Troy
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Posted on Saturday, November 05, 2005 - 09:18 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

While researching the history of Black book Websites. I came across this link; an archive of one of the old Thumper's Corner's Discussion Boards from early 2002. Most of the posts contents are missing but the posts titles and the posters is interesting to read: http://web.archive.org/web/20020708164758/www.cwmyb.com/wwwboard/index.htm

I still have the old discussion baord posts, but it would take too much time to reconstitute into a readable format.
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Steve_s
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Posted on Sunday, November 06, 2005 - 03:55 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

What does everyone think about Maryse Conde winning the Hurston-Wright Award for "Who Slashed Celanire's Throat"?

Hope to start it tonight after finishing "The Autobiography of God" by Julius Lester.

I also read these:

"She Plays With the Darkness" by Zakes Mda
"The Death of Vishnu" by Manil Suri
"The Stone Virgins" by Yvonne Vera
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Snakegirl
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Posted on Sunday, November 06, 2005 - 04:47 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Congrats to Maryse Conde.

She's a brilliant, gifted "great mother" of African fiction.
God bless her...for blessing us all so much.

It's LONG over-do.


Congratulations MARYSE!!! :-)



BUT...I'm especially proud
that my girl Tracy Price Thompson
won the Commercial Fiction Prize!!!



Trac




And what a great quote at the bottom of the front cover. :-)


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Posted on Sunday, November 06, 2005 - 05:40 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Indeed..!LOVE Tracy's writing ! I cant wait to read "Knocking Boots" by Tracy
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Steve_s
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Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 03:28 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

While I'm reading Maryse Conde's "Who Slashed Celanire's Throat?" I'd like to describe the books I just read.

"She Plays With the Darkness" by Zakes Mda -- I've now read 4 of this South African author's novels and I've enjoyed them all. This is an early one, just recently published. It begins in 1970 and is set in the neighboring country of Lesotho which achieved independence in 1966, so it's post-independence literature and not about the colonial experience itself. Although three coups are described in the novel, the feeling is light and there's an absurdity to the story not unlike the Indian novel "Q & A."

The main characters are a brother and sister from the snowy mountain region of the country. The sister's story is a feminist one; because she's a woman, higher education is not an option even though her grades are better than her brother's. He gets a job teaching in night school, but after being beaten up by police during a curfew following the coup he moves to the lowland capital city of Maseru and becomes an "ambulance chaser," an insurance scam-artist who gets rich cheating insurance companies and 3rd party victims of automobile accidents.

Like some of Mda's other novels there's a theme of tradition vs. modernity, neither of which is completely satisfactory. The sister breaks off relations with her brother, refuses to have anything to do with men, begins a silent protest, and retreats into a world of myth and magic which becomes a fountain-of-youth; she doesn't age and neither does her red dress! The ending is ambiguous, but it's a wild ride with lots of humor and very interesting (and funny) characters.

* * *

"The Stone Virgins" by Yvonne Vera -- This Zimbabwean author passed away earlier this year from meningitis at the all-too-young age of 40. She had been living in exile with her Canadian husband in Toronto. I first heard about her a few years ago when an interviewer asked Zakes Mda to name some young African writers he liked, and he named Yvonne Vera and South African author K. Sello Duiker, who, unfortunately, also passed away earlier this year just shy of his 31st birthday. Her writing is very accomplished and among the most lyrical prose I've read. Her previous novel "Butterfly Burning," is also very lyrical but has a tragic and violent ending. In that novel she poetically describes the lives and loves of the people in the black townships, their style of dress, music and relaxing at the neighborhood shebeens, or township bars. Her main character in Butterfly Burning is a young woman who wants something more out of life despite the society's paternalism (in the form of her older husband) and the oppression of colonialism.

"The Stone Virgins" begins in colonial Rhodesia, and then very beautifully describes indepence in 1980. Here's her description (and I should add that the author would have been about 16 years old at the time):

The women want to take the day into their own arms and embrace it, but how? To embrace the land and earth, the horizon, and triumph? To forget the hesitant moment, death, the years of deafness and struggle? The women want to take the time of resignation, of throbbing fears, and declare this to a vanished day, but how? And take the memory of departed sons, and bury it. But how? To end the unsure sunsets, the solitary loveliness of the hills? Instead, nothing moves. The rocks remain solid as ever; the boulders are still. Not different. The trees are bare of leaves and carry a stunned and lethargic silence. The women expect sudden and spectacular fissures on the rocks. They expect some crack, some sound that will wrap over them like lightning and they will not need to ask if independence is truly here, or if indeed this is a new day. The women feel an immense pride. They burn in it. This is the most exalting feeling they have for those who have returned, the most protective; they have endured the most agonizing absense, and this feeling is the most understanding emotion, the most accepting, the least demanding, the clearest, the least desparate, the most merciful, born of terror, this pride, filled with glory and tenderness.

A burden lifts as a new day appears. This new day. A place to start again, to plant hope and banish despair, to be restored. Everything is changed. Day is light, not heavy; light as a leaf. The women move from every weaving and meandering pathway, in and out, onto the main road so that the day can find them, find their bodies, which are longing to be touched by something new. They remove bright scarves from their heads and toss them like butterfly wings. They greet the air in red, blue, and green cloth intertwined. The cloth twists under the arms raised, and fingers searching. Their hair is young, even if it has turned white with waiting. For years, they have only learned to wave their voices, from door to mirror, with no hope of release, and now they can dance in the clouds. They wave their arms like promises. They swing their scarves from arm to arm. Shout, and watch their own voices ripple high into the sky, to the hills of Gulati.

They sing earth songs that leave the morning pulsating. They weep in daylight, surrounded by ultrablue skies and the smell of rain. Their minds a sweet immersion of joy, they float, jubilant. Their senses almost divine, uplifted; their pain inarticulate. Voices rise to the surface, beyond the dust shadows that break and glow, and lengthen. They will not drown from a dance in the soaring dust, from the memories of anger and pain. They will not die from the accumulation of bitter histories, the dreams of misfortune, the evenings of wonder and dismay, which should have already killed them. The echoes from Gulati, which should have already killed them. The despondency, to tremble when a door is tightly shut, when it opens wide. A door, a mind. The dust turning into vapor above the distant rocks, which should have destroyed their minds but did not. Today, they walk on a dry earth, not dead, in an intoxicating brightness, and leave no trace of fears, embraced by the day overflowing, touching branches and tops of trees, a day veined, alive, not dead, replete with wonders and new destinies. They rejoice in a vast sweetness and sound. All that is bright among them is brighter still: the sky, the altars in Gulati, hope. A wind sweeps through the hills, their voices, their bodies in chorus. Their voices wake the somnolent dove. It flies through the dancing light above. Independence will not come again, and the best spectacle of it is in these women, with the pain in their backs, the curve of their voices, and their naked elbows beating the air.


Unfortunately, 2 or 3 years after independence, the nation is again engulfed in a civil conflict which turns into warfare against civilians in the rural town of Kezi where two sisters live amidst the rock hills. Both are victims of sadistic attacks in which one is killed and the other mutilated. The author does not spell out the political situation which led to these crimes, but it's easy enough to find out through various reviews on the Internet. There is a hopeful ending though, as one sister survives and finds deliverance and perhaps love with a museum curator (which is ironic, because the author herself was the director of the National Gallery in the same city). I really don't know if I would recommend this to most readers, I would probably recommend Butterfly Burning first. I have not read "Without a Name and Under the Tongue," her two shorter novels contained in one volume which was nominated for the Hurston-Wright Award a few years ago.

* * *

"The Death of Vishnu" by Manil Suri -- This is a really interesting literary novel about the lives, loves, and relationships of the tenants, some Hindu, some Muslim, of a particular apartment building in Bombay -- including a 'homeless' man named Vishnu who sleeps on the first-floor landing. There are subplots (like the romance between a Hindu girl and Muslim boy) and flashbacks (for instance, to the homeless man's youthful love for a prostitute) but what's most interesting is that the narrative seems to be overlaid with Hindu religious mythology, the basic idea of which is that the dying homeless man, whose consciousness slowly begins to leave his mortal body, may in fact be God, perhaps a reincarnation of Vishnu of the Hindu trinity. He's not sure himself! There are many interesting facets to the novel. Incidentally, I read the hardcover edition, but I've noticed that the paperback includes a glossary of Indian terms which might be useful to anyone who's interested.

* * *

"The Autobiography of God" by Julius Lester -- The author, who's apparently a convert to Judaism, comes across as an extemely warm, compassionate, and funny individual (sometimes devilishly so). It's another feminist hero. Rebecca is a failed rabbi, recently divorced and living in a small Vermont town near the Canadian border, where she's a college counselor. She's an outsider within the academic community, within her own religion, etc.

She applies for and receives a Torah scroll rescued from a village of Polish Jews who were exterminated during the Holocaust, and the spirits begin to speak to her. She's eventually presented with an autobiography of God, who appears and answers her questions. The theological questions are presented in an interesting way.

Later, when a student is murdered, she has to play detective, and ultimately apply the theological lessons learned. Not a "great" book perhaps, but a very unique one which I'm really glad I read.
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Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 05:48 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I forgot to say...

that I'm very glad that my Buddy and friend,

CHRIS ABANI

won the PRIZE for "first fiction" at the

HURSTON-WRIGHT Awards.


I was so busy being excited for Tracy...that I had not noticed the other winners, other than the one STEVE told us about.

Chris is a very kind, gentle Nigerian lad and has been especially "flattering" towards me and my work. I LOOOVE his work....

and I'm so glad he won for GRACELAND. He also won the PEN FAULKNER award this year and was nominated for the National Book Award.

Abani




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Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 10:21 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

That's interesting, I didn't know he had won the PEN/Faulkner. Good for him, Graceland is a good one. I love Elvis! It's a little odd though that he speaks correct English while his friends speak with an accent.

I have another novel about Lagos, Waiting For and Angel by Helon Habila, and also another one about Zimbabwe, Nervous Conditions by Tsitsi Dangarembga. You might be familiar with these books.

Some saxophone-playing authors I've read:

T.C. Boyle (Drop City)
Arthur Phillips (Prague)
Chris Abani (GraceLand)
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Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 10:44 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Steve,

I'm good friends with Chris Abani and didn't know he plays the saxophone!!! LOL


You MUST read Tsitsi Dangarembga's "Nervous Conditions"....it's an absolute classic.


And I'm very sad about Yvonne Vera and have been trying to think of some way to publicly honor her.



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Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 10:45 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Have you read "Happy Baby" by Stephen Elliott, Steve?

He also wrote the campaign satire "Looking Forward to It".


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Posted on Thursday, November 10, 2005 - 12:39 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thanks! I picked up a copy of "Nervous Conditions" after seeing it on a list of books about southern Africa. I'll move it up in the rotation.

No, I hadn't heard of "Happy Baby," I'll check it out.

Here's the list I read. Not intended to be a definitive list, just someone's selections. I personally wouldn't read No. 2, but I changed my mind by the end of Bitter Fruit -- I think it's a very good book. I haven't really read that much African literature.

http://books.guardian.co.uk/top10s/top10/0,6109,1550150,00.html

PS Yeah, Chris had a couple of audio clips on his Web site. It sounds like he's having fun anyway!

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Posted on Thursday, November 10, 2005 - 02:14 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Some other books I've read by saxophone-playing authors:

James McBride (The Color of Water, Miracle of St. Anna) -- I heard him with his band on Book-TV. He has a B.A. in music from Oberlin College. 'Scuse me!

Robert G. O'Meally (Living With Music: Ralph Ellison's Jazz Writings, editor; New Essays on Invisible Man, editor; The Jazz Cadence of American Culture, editor)

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