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Thumper
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Username: Thumper
Post Number: 365
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, February 24, 2005 - 09:28 pm: | 
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Hello All,
Check out this article: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=638&ncid=579&e=10&u=/nm/20050224 /en_nm/arts_streetlit_dc |
Thumper
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Username: Thumper
Post Number: 366
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, February 24, 2005 - 09:38 pm: |
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Hello All,
And you know what is really beginning to piss me off is the black male authors who's books would be classified as "street" or "urban" way before Sister Souljah's novel gets NO Credit or mention in these articles. Why not? This article is the latest article slanting the truth. And going back to Cynique's point about "gifted" writers, answer me this, what is taking Sister Souljah so long to come up with another book. The Coldest Winter Ever is as old as my second grade promotion to the third grade.
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Literarylicense
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Post Number: 3
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, February 25, 2005 - 09:51 am: |
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lol...good point. I'm so sick of hearing about the "street lit", "hip hop lit", "urban lit" thing. it's saturating the market and leads houses to tell writers like me that my book isn't "urban enough". whatever that means...lol...
besides the fact that a new market has been made, these books, with there stereotypical storylines, get old and boring really quick.
just like the article vaguely points out, white america will read this stuff, and think that it's all these various cultures (China, Latin America, etc.) has to offer. this is not every daylife for most african americans, and even for those of us who grew up in that struggle, many of these stories do not reveal the multiple complexities that exist regarding surviving the situation.
many of these tales lack introspection and that's what reading is fundamentally about...getting into the minds of characters and understanding their motivation and the inner-struggles they face with making decisions. |
Crystal
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Username: Crystal
Post Number: 196
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, February 25, 2005 - 01:16 pm: |
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Thanks for the article Thumper. Except for a couple by Solomon Jones I haven’t read any of the so-called “street lit”. No Nikki Turner or Shannon Holmes. Someone just gave me The Coldest Winter Ever to read and I passed it on to my son – I’m just not interested right now.
My question is who’s reading these books? I’m assuming teenagers and 20-somethings. I can’t imagine 40/50 year old folks reading too much of this stuff. And if it’s mostly youngsters reading it I think it’s too soon to write them off by saying reading Toni Morrison is “too much of a jump” as stated at the end of the article. Maybe it is right now but just give them time. Some say ‘at least they’re reading’ is a cop out but I don’t agree. Reading can become a habit and if young folks get the habit eventually their choices will mature with them.
But this quote from the article is a problem that’s been brought up on this board a lot: “Sana seemed frustrated with the quality of some of the books. Four of the most popular novels are riddled with errors. In one, two characters' names are switched after one dies. In all four, slang is sometimes incomprehensible, grammatical errors common, moral characters tend to be made of cardboard and the writing often repetitious.”
LitLicence – your story reminds me of Percival Everett’s Erasure. Hang in there!
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Literarylicense
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Post Number: 4
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, February 25, 2005 - 06:42 pm: |
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Crystal,
It's funny you say that, I just recently finished reading it. Someone recommended it to me, after I told them the same story. I related to Erasure so much, and found it so amazingly witty and the structure innovative and refreshing.
There was a definite conflict for him, sticking to his craft or going for the money. Sometimes, you have to decide which choice will help you sleep easier at night. |
Soul_sister
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Post Number: 27
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 02, 2005 - 09:02 am: |
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Hey All,
I have to agree with most of the earlier statements- but what about Chester Himes. To me he is the first to introduce this genre from an unlettered perspective -- his novels with the detectives Grave Digger and Coffin Ed.
Anyway I have never read any of these "new" street lit/ghetto lit titles and probably never will - - although I bought Sister Souljah for investment/collection purposes.
Peace |
Chrishayden
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Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 1017
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 02, 2005 - 10:36 am: |
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Soul sister--soul sister.
Chester Himes was from a middle class home. His father was a collge professor. He himself attended college.
His early short stories--though written in prison-- appeared in Esquire along with those of Ernest Hemingway and others. He was a contemporary and friend of Richard Wright. His early novels are all classics of literature, and considered literary works.
He lived in France and Spain.
True, the Harlem Detective series (first published in France in French) were potboilers---but though set in Harlem they are hardly unlettered but very clever allegories on the state of black america and race relations at the time.
You must flog yourself with a wet noodle in atonement! |
Ancestry
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Post Number: 7
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 02, 2005 - 05:12 pm: |
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Soul Sister: Earlier street lit. before Himes in the 1920s...Rudolph Fisher's short stories and novel, The Walls of Jericho...Claude McKay's Home to Harlem...and many other novels, short stories, and poetry of the Harlem Renaissance. Of course, during the 20s it was not called "street lit.,"....even Carl Van Vetchen's Nigger Heaven could, emphasis on could, be considered "street lit." |
Ancestry
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Post Number: 8
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 02, 2005 - 05:15 pm: |
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Chrishayden: Is street lit. synonymous with commercial/non-literary writings? |
Literarylicense
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2005 - 08:02 pm: |
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Manchild in the Promiseland by Claude Brown, first published in 1965, is one of the most respected street lit books in my book.
Very well-written, a story about triumph in the face of adversity from the perspective of someone who was raised in the ghetto/streets. There was a plot...a good one, unlike many of today's versions of the same topic. |
Ancestry
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Post Number: 9
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2005 - 08:22 pm: |
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Could Manchild in the Promised Land be considered a black hortio alger story? Brown's escape from the "Heart of Darkness"?
Was Brown raised in the ghetto or the streets? Or/and does the slash suggest that the ghetto is a synonym for streets?
On the back of my copy it states, "Claude Brown is a black man who made it out of the Ghetto...who pulled himself up from Harlem, from the gang wars, the crime, the dope pushing to becaome a law student at one of America's leading universities."
How should children/young adults from the "ghetto/streets" interpret these characterizations of the "ghetto," the people within the "ghetto," and themselves?
Another reviewer stated, "This is a magnificent book, not a good book, not an interesting book, a magnificent book...It is a guided tour of hell conducted by a man who broke out."
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Literarylicense
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2005 - 08:28 pm: |
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I inserted the "\" because many people call the genre "street lit" simply because it takes place in an impoverished situation. These same people use "street lit", "hip hop fiction" and "urban lit" synonymously...In my opinion, in today's time if Brown had released the same book, they would call it "Street lit" or "Urban Lit"...simply because it's about a black boy in an urban environment overcoming adversity.
I'm not sure about where Brown grew up. You've asked some interesting questions, nonetheless. |
Cynique
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Post Number: 2001
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, March 04, 2005 - 01:16 am: |
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The late Clyde Brown grew up on the streets of New York, and was the type of kid who was referred to at that time as a "juvenile deliquent." It's hard to categorize this book because, unlike the Horatio Alger books, Brown went from being bad to being good by overcoming the handicap of being poor and black, whereas the Horation Alger heroes went from being poor to being rich because they had full access to the American dream, and knew they could achieve it by hard work and ambition. "Manchild in The Promised Land" could be probably be called a street book because it had an urban setting and street books did exist before hip-hop came on the scene. So, although all hip-hop books are street books, all street books are not hip-hop ones. Brown's book differs from hip-hop ones because it dealt with a young black man who turned his life around by escaping the vices of the inner city rather than thriving on them. It did not glorify the gangsta lifestyle but acknowledged that it was criminal. Obviously it took place in a different era. |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, March 04, 2005 - 11:40 am: |
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Ooops! I meant CLAUDE Brown, not Clyde Brown! It should also be noted that since this book is non-fiction, its actual genre is autobiography. |
A_womon
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Post Number: 1237
Registered: 05-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, March 04, 2005 - 02:04 pm: |
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oh whatever and the wheel grinds round and round same old comments with the same old none effect on street lit and it's writers... Who CARES what ''de white folks think"?? GET OVER IT. AND for the record if its going on in real life it is NOT stereotypical. Does everyone read porn put out by white authors and think that all white people love to screw everyone including their brothers and daddies? GET OVER IT. PLEASE! |
Chrishayden
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Post Number: 1027
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, March 04, 2005 - 02:11 pm: |
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Ancestry:
You askin' me? This is another one of those discussions like "What is Jazz?" or "What is Soul" or "What is the Blues?" that is never resolved.
If you would ask me--and you have--I would say that it is strictly nonliterary and fiction--Claude Brown's book was non fiction. It is also commerical.
In my humble estimation--
Street Lit= Iceberg Slim, Donald Goines and their imitators and progeny.
Native Son, though dealing with a street lit situation, is not. |
Cynique
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Post Number: 2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, March 04, 2005 - 03:55 pm: |
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Who, besides you, A-woman, made any reference to what the "white folks think"???? Since the publishing houses break down street lit into categories, it behooves any perspective writer to be aware of this. |
Literarylicense
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, March 04, 2005 - 05:00 pm: |
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exactly, especially when black subject matter + urban environment=street lit, unfortuantely, to the powers that be..or if it doesn't equal that, they won't pay you attention unless you tweak it to focus on it. |
A_womon
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Post Number: 1238
Registered: 05-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, March 04, 2005 - 05:00 pm: |
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Go back and read, cynique and find out! |
A_womon
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Post Number: 1239
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, March 04, 2005 - 05:05 pm: |
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and for the record, white people don't NEED to read these books to form an opinion of what aa's are about, they had an opinion before these writers were even thought of and they will form the same opinions when (if) they are gone! period. |
Steve_s
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Post Number: 76
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, March 04, 2005 - 05:11 pm: |
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Cynique,
I think it's implied in the article posted above:
"The same middle-class white people who read Ha Jin because of an interest in China or Mario Vargas Llosa to get an inside glimpse of Latin America might read Solomon Jones' gripping "The Bridge" to learn about ghettos in their own city."
I can't comment on Solomon Jones's work because I have not read it, but I question the way of thinking which holds that when you read Ha Jin you learn about China, when you read Vargas Llosa (a white Peruvian former Presidential candidate) you get an inside glimpse of "Latin America." I read Vargas Llosa's novel "The Feast of the Goat," about the assassination of Dominican dictator Rafael Trujillo by a group of military men. There's some graphic description of torture and it deals with Trujillo's ethnophobia, but I felt it was a romanticized depiction of the hero/assassins who had probably committed atrocities for the leader, and the book didn't touch the subject of US complicity in his rule. There's nothing "street" or "ghetto" about it.
I read a Ha Jin collection of short stories which are set in the 1990s during the period of transition to a market economy under Deng Xiaoping. I would describe them as Kafka-esque and they generally deal with the displacement of old moral values in a new economic order. The prose is very lean and pared-down. Again, there's no crime, ghettos, street, etc.
I can see a connection between Vargas Llosa's novel and The Dew Breaker by Edwidge Danticat, or between the Ha Jin stories and a book like Invisible Man, which is somewhat Kafa-esque, but I don't see their connection to street lit, which I'll admit I don't read .
But take Isaac Babel's stories about the Odessa ghetto. They describe murder, arson, extortion, etc. and a moral code among the gangsters which allows a wife's appeal to be heard even as her husband is about to be stomped to death in front of his family. The stories describe a Darwinian struggle for survival but Babel doesn't take a social science approach to ghetto life, does not describe poverty and suffering, nor does he editorialize about how things got to be that way. And unlike the Mario Puzo- or Nicholas Peloggi-type gangsters, it's not driven by some over-exaggerated sense of ethnic masculinity. But the literary quality is high. |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, March 04, 2005 - 06:00 pm: |
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Well, a-womon, your comment about "what white folks think" came in the midst of a specific exchange about whether Claude Brown's book was street lit. (And if the same ol tired comments are being made about the street lit subject, your reponse to these comments are also the same ol tired responses.) Also when you preface your remarks with a "for the record", what record are you talking about? Your statement about whether or not these books influence how white people think was an opinion and much too general and broad to be for anybody's record. |
Ancestry
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Post Number: 11
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, March 04, 2005 - 07:52 pm: |
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So in another words, readers and writers should accept publisher's or the targeted market's classification of "street lit."?
LiteraryLicense:
Also, if this is a question of literary fiction, yours for example, losing out to commercial fiction, why don't you publish your own fiction for "art's sake"? It is not unusual for commercial and popular consumer interests to win out over the socalled literary and refined....beyond this question of commercial fiction is also the question of racism against black literary artists(as another thread pointed out). In this respect there are various variables that you have no control over. The result would be bitterness...and as a_woman has pointed out white folk already have their perception of black people...This perception hasn't changed for 400 yrs....so who really cares what they think? |
Cynique
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Post Number: 2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, March 04, 2005 - 10:10 pm: |
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I beg to differ. In any field you go into you have to learn how to play the game no matter what your color is. Your chance of making it by playing by your own rules are not very good unless you gotta lot of captial to back you up or you one of the lucky few. And - there millions of white people in America and all over the world who don't come in contact with black people, and who don't have an opinion about them one way or another until they see how they are portrayed in the various media. That's why folks are always touting "diversity" because when people are only around their own kind, all they know about other races is what they get from movies and TV and books. Yeah, screw what white people think of you, but don't be surprised when they judge you not by yourself but by how you are portrayed in the public domain. |
Chrishayden
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Post Number: 1028
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, March 05, 2005 - 10:09 am: |
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All:
To think that white people go to these novels, or hiphop, or movies or any other entertainment tabula rasa with absolutely no idea about black people is naive.
They all have some idea of them and it is mostly what they get from their parents, family and peers.
If their general attitude has been negative before then there is not a lot that negative portrayals will do to reverse this, nor is there anything that any positive portrayals can accomplish either.
A lot of black folk, and white folk too, live with the hope that maybe they will like us if we would just make a positive impression on them. It is a dream. |
Cynique
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Post Number: 2007
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, March 05, 2005 - 12:34 pm: |
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You don't have to go to North DaKota or Montanta or Vermount or New Hampshire, or Iceland or China to find people to whom black folks are a curiosity. You can go to a lot of the upscale suburbs around Chicago where few black families live. A friend told me about her grandson who was one of a few black students in this high school and all his class mates wanted to know about him was if he belonged to a gang and could he rap. I agree it is a Utopian dream to hope that the races will respond to positive images about each other and will all come to like and respect each other. But it is reality that in the absence of experience, ignorance will prevail, and this ignorance is reinforced by false images that serve to define a group. All prejudices stem from pre-conceived notions. |
A_womon
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Post Number: 1240
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 07, 2005 - 02:06 pm: |
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oh whatever cynique. how narrow does a comment have to be before it can be considered "for the record" Puleeze!
And a big SO WHAT?!!! To the rest of your opinionated remarks. HA! |
Cynique
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Post Number: 2012
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 07, 2005 - 04:52 pm: |
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Unless you know differently, you should only use the term "for the record" when referring to something you, yourself, said, so as to not have it misinterpreted.
And it ain't my "opinion" that all of the locations I cited have miniscule black populations. Now, go back to your coloring book, like a good little a-womon. heh-heh |
A_womon
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Post Number: 1241
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 07, 2005 - 05:03 pm: |
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Only if you go back to your nursing home and get a bib to catch all the drivel you're spewing like a good wrinkled OLD woman! |
Cynique
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Post Number: 2014
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 07, 2005 - 06:19 pm: |
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OK. It's a deal, dumb-dumb. |
Solomonjones
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Post Number: 68
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 07, 2005 - 10:03 pm: |
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I wasn't gon' say nothin', but ...
The article said:
"The same middle-class white people who read Ha Jin because of an interest in China or Mario Vargas Llosa to get an inside glimpse of Latin America might read Solomon Jones' gripping "The Bridge" to learn about ghettos in their own city."
I'm not claiming to be an authority on black culture. But I know what I see. I see poverty and crime, I see dreams and hopes, I see spirituality and joy, I see debauchery and pain. I see hardworking people striving to provide a better way for their children, I see fragmented families and traditional ones. I see love, hate, treachery, betrayal and beauty. That's what I write about. Not because I'm some authority on our people. But because that's what I see.
Steve S. -
Your post is very thoughtful, especially your observation that you cannot learn about an entire culture by reading one author. Whenever we write about our own cultures, we bring our own biases, playing up what we think is important, and leaving out whatever is too painful to admit.
You said "I can't comment on Solomon Jones's work because I have not read it."
Well, the way I see it, there's only one way to fix that problem ... |
Mahoganyanais
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Post Number: 87
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 07, 2005 - 10:13 pm: |
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Solomonjones: You said "I can't comment on Solomon Jones's work because I have not read it."
Well, the way I see it, there's only one way to fix that problem ...
Mah: Well, just reading your posts here have piqued this reader's interest in your work. Adding you to the list... |
A_womon
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Post Number: 1242
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, March 08, 2005 - 08:39 am: |
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cynique when it comes to dumb you are the pinnacle of success! nothin better than old and dumb and full of--well you could always dream cant you? |
A_womon
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Post Number: 1243
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, March 08, 2005 - 10:37 am: |
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and cynique just to aid you on your internet searches when you are attempting to appear intelligent-- " for the record" is a much used phrase in this country used to refer to any spoken or written account of any conversation that may or may not be referred to at a later date... just so you know and that aint websteronline sweetheart, that comes from attending school and learning...taaaaa! |
Cynique
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, March 08, 2005 - 10:49 am: |
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Oh put a sock in it, little woman. I'm enjoying myself here in the rest home and you broke your end of the deal by subjecting us to lot of your yakety yak confirming what I already said about "for the record." Go back to your work book now and remember don't eat any paste because you might choke on it. And for goodness sake, raise your hand if you have to go to the bathroom. Don't pee on the floor like you did last time. tsk-tsk. |
A_womon
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Post Number: 1244
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, March 08, 2005 - 12:55 pm: |
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Tsk tsk! I see Alzheimers is still a major problem for you. Now you and ya husband(?) both know that it's YOU peeing on the floor through ya depends!!! and as for putting things in ya face that don't belong, the nursing aides have been instructed to keep paste ,renal and other human waste products away from your lips but, alas, I guess you have just developed a taste for the un-natural in your old age...hahahahhaa!!! Too bad..
now cynique, rot in your old stankin juices, you've lost this game with me before and you are too too boring for me to go there with you again! |
Thumper
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Post Number: 378
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, March 08, 2005 - 01:49 pm: |
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Hello All,
Cynique, A_womon, aah, you two need to take a chill pill. *eyebrow raised* I'm not in the mood to babysit. |
Literarylicense
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, March 08, 2005 - 04:59 pm: |
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lol@*eyebrow raised* . u r killing me softly with that. lol |
Cynique
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Post Number: 2017
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, March 08, 2005 - 05:10 pm: |
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Aw phooey, Thumper, I wanted to tell a-woman that she needs some new material. Those same ol lies she deluding herself into believing are soooo played out. |
Solomonjones
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Post Number: 70
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Mah -
I'm honored to be on the list. |
A_womon
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Post Number: 1245
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 09, 2005 - 12:35 pm: |
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awwwwwwwww and i wanted to tell cynique to stuff it if she can find it! |
A_womon
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Post Number: 1246
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 09, 2005 - 01:08 pm: |
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sorry Thumper... I took the bait. |
Cynique
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Heh-heh. Glad you given up your pathetic attempt at imitating Kola. Ahh what an inspiration I am! |
Carey
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Post Number: 466
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 09, 2005 - 06:21 pm: |
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Hello
Thump, what are we going to do with these two. I think they secretly love each other and they don't know how to do that. See, A_women is my roaddog and that's no secret but this thang she does with the other person I just can't understand. What's up, is it a contest to see which can be the biggest___________ *smile*. Stop it y'all, you're killing me.
Carey |
Thumper
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Post Number: 380
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2005 - 04:47 pm: |
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Hello All,
Carey: They are beginning to bore me. |
Cynique
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Cynique
Post Number: 2022
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2005 - 07:09 pm: |
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Boring, yes. But it was a slow day. And "no fools, no fun." Guess I'll go read a book. I've been hearing good things about "God's Gym," John Edgar Wideman's latest, a collection of essays dealing with the dynamics of language and the impact of silence when it is substituted for a story's conclusion, thereby inviting exploration into the unknown. Sounds absolutely intriguing. See ya. |
Thumper
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Username: Thumper
Post Number: 381
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2005 - 08:06 pm: |
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Hello All,
Cynique: I did not know that Wideman had a new book out. I love his stuff. If you got Wideman's latest, why are you fooling with A_womon? *eyebrow raised* So many new books are out and I personally can't wait to get to them. I'm in the middle of a dud now. So as soon as I'm done with it, it's on. |
A_womon
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: A_womon
Post Number: 1249
Registered: 05-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, March 11, 2005 - 08:53 am: |
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Hey Thumper, what's that supposed to mean? I guess you're saying it's cool to act a fool if you're old school, hunh? No wonder she can get her cracks off with no repercussions from you. You do have your favorites I guess and anything goes for them. And go ahead and say Im being childish if you like , at least I aint 50 + and a big fool!!! |
Yvettep
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Username: Yvettep
Post Number: 55
Registered: 01-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, March 11, 2005 - 09:44 am: |
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>I'm in the middle of a dud now. So as soon as I'm done with it, it's on
Just out of curiosity, Thumper: If you're in the middle of a bad book, you keep reading it? Is this for an assignment, review, etc?
I used to feel a duty to complete any book I started--just as a casual reader: Kind of an analogy to "the clean plate club" when eating dinnerr, I guess. Recently I stopped doing that, though, and was amazed at how good that felt! Now: If a book can't catch me a third of the way through, it's on to the next one. I may miss a few that "improve with page" this way, I don't know... |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 2023
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, March 11, 2005 - 01:26 pm: |
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Now, a-woman, don't you know better than to leave yourself open for me to say that you are 50- and a little fool? |
A_womon
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Username: A_womon
Post Number: 1250
Registered: 05-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, March 11, 2005 - 02:16 pm: |
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you wish........HA!! |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 2025
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, March 11, 2005 - 03:11 pm: |
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I wish what? Speak up, child, and make sense. (If you can.) |
A_womon
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Username: A_womon
Post Number: 1251
Registered: 05-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, March 11, 2005 - 03:21 pm: |
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what a lonely existance you have prowling this board looking for attention...I'm off to ENJOY my weekend--have fun lurkin around Thump's corner--maybe Lambd will show up again and spice up your miserable OLD life. Such as it is...TATA!!! |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 2026
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, March 11, 2005 - 03:42 pm: |
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LMAO. It comforts you to think that I, with one husband 5 kids and 10 grandchildren am lonely. Coming on this board is a way to escape from all the people in my space, not to mention that I am such good company for myself that lonliness has NEVER been a problem with me. Sheeze. So find a new tack to take. And try and have fun this week-end when you venture out into your narrow little world, and try not to suffocate in the dense atmosphere of your limited scope. You could be the poster girl for youth being wasted on the young. BTW, next time you e-mail Lambd tell the ol guy "outta sight outta mind." heh-heh. |
Thumper
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Username: Thumper
Post Number: 382
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, March 11, 2005 - 05:14 pm: |
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Hello All,
A_womon: *smacking my lips* Is that a Merlot or a Chardonnay? You know...that WINE you just threw at me! *LOL* Girl, grow up for Pete's sake! I said that to Cynique mainly because you are so EASY to get a rise out of. That's the main reason Cynique picked on you. And besides that, A_womon, you had an assignment to do. Remember, you were suppose to have defend yourself in a previous post. *eyebrow raised* But, you couldn't because your computer was broke down. Remember? Mmmm hmmm.
Cynique: Leave the child alone! Damn, you're being a bully. Besides ain't you got a book to read. I seem to recall that you do. *eyebrow raised*
Why should I have kids in real life? *eyebrow raised* Especially when I got plenty here on the board. *casting an evil glare* |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 2028
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, March 11, 2005 - 05:32 pm: |
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Yeth, Daddy. I'm done. |
Crystal
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Username: Crystal
Post Number: 199
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, March 11, 2005 - 05:34 pm: |
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Na na na, y'all got in trouble! |
Carey
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Username: Carey
Post Number: 467
Registered: 05-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, March 12, 2005 - 12:02 am: |
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Hello
HOLD UP! Y'all didn't think you ol'bulls were going to jump on my girl without some repurcustion.....I propably didn't spell that right....*smile* but y'all know what am talkin' bout. Thump, shame on you. Now you suppose to be in the middle but urr raa you done slide a little to the ahhh ....ahhh gray crowd. Stop it, that tag team you and ol'girl running ain't right ***cutting and squinting my eyes your way **.
A_woman, let'em get they thang off, it helps them with that high blood pressure. Anyway y'all try to be right up in here and Crystal, why you all up in they cool-aid stirrin' the pot, you need to quit. Yeah, I said it *smile*. You know you don't want me on your tail........opps, that didn't come out right....but you know what I mean *smile*. |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 2029
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, March 12, 2005 - 12:17 pm: |
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I don't know what thread you read, Carey. I thought Thumper came across as pretty neutral. It's not like he didn't reprimand me. Maybe you're the one who's being partial. And Crystal provided just the right note to place all of this silliness in perspective. High blood pressure???You really let this cyber stuff get to you, don't you? It ain't nothin but a game of words played between faceless contestants. But, it does behoove us to use the right words; so -this frisky cow will thank you not to call me an ol "bull." Moooooooo. |
Ancestry
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Username: Ancestry
Post Number: 12
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, March 12, 2005 - 12:19 pm: |
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Cynique: If one chooses not to play the game, then what are their choices, but to publish their own work in order to provide "introspection" and and an alternative representation of life than that narrated in "lit" and "street" fiction, as LiteraryLicense hopes to do? |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 2030
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, March 12, 2005 - 12:38 pm: |
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Huh??? Umm let's see, ancestry, let me get on track. Self-publishing is indeed a vehicle for calling one's own shots in the book industry. That's why it has become so popular. That's also why readers sometimes view self-published books with a jaundiced eye. They tend to be self-indulgent. But for writers who write for the love of their craft, as opposed to gaining fame and fortune, self-publishing can be a very fulfilling endeavor especially if doing so ends up proving an author's detractors wrong. I guess. |
Carey
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Username: Carey
Post Number: 468
Registered: 05-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, March 12, 2005 - 02:55 pm: |
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THE GATE SWINGS OPEN THE CROWD STANDS UP, THE NOISE IS DEAFENING. THIS IS IT, THE MOMENT THEY'VE BEEN WAITING FOR. THE DUST BEHIND THE GATE FOLLOWS IT'S OPENING, BILLOWING OUT, CREATING ANOTHER BLINDING WALL THAT IN SECONDS WILL BE PENETRATE BY THE STAR ATTRACTION........THE BULLS. WHAT A MOMENT, WHO WOULD THINK THAT THOSE OLD FUNKY DUSTY BULLS, WITH TURDS HANGING OFF OF THEM, COULD CREAT AN EXCITEMENT SUCH AS THIS.
Oh wait a minute, you said my thinking was flawed and that I was the one who was being partial. Okay, let me think about this maybe you are correct. I'll just lay this script to the side.
Hi A_Women, what's up? |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 2031
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, March 12, 2005 - 03:40 pm: |
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My point was that a "bull" is a male member of the bovine family, and a "cow" is a female member. I'd think an ol Iowa boy would know that. Actually I'd prefer to be called a "heifer", cuz in the black vernacular, it implies more feistiness than the "udder" word... |
Carey
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Username: Carey
Post Number: 469
Registered: 05-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, March 13, 2005 - 02:41 am: |
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ahhh sorry, yeah, I didn't get that mooo milk cow bull thang until i read it again. Okay, where was I.
THOSE NASTY OL'COW-BULLS HAS THE CROWD IN A FRENZY. THEY'VE DROPPED ALL THEIR NOCHOS AND REPLACED THEM WITH CLENCHED FIST (DOES THAT MAKE ANY SENSE *smile*). NOW'S THE TIME, NOW'S THE MOMENT! OUT POPS THE FIRST BULL, PIERCING THE DUST ONLY TO BE MET BY THE SOUNDS OF LAUGHTER. "HELL", ONE SAYS, "THAT LOOKS LIKE CYN-CYN AND THUMPER"........to be continued...... |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 2032
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, March 13, 2005 - 01:10 pm: |
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Certainly a stretch as far as relevancy goes. Who do you think you are? Hemingway?? The obvious response to your little end play is to say that "it takes an old bull to know one." So snort on, Ferdinand, because snorting seems to be your strong suit. (why are you writing in capitals? are you angry, ol guy?) |
Thumper
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Username: Thumper
Post Number: 383
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, March 13, 2005 - 05:59 pm: |
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Hello All,
Still can't let this go, huh? *eyeborw raised* |
Ancestry
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Username: Ancestry
Post Number: 13
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, March 13, 2005 - 07:10 pm: |
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cynique: yes. It is all about what one wants and what one is willing to do to get it. |
A_womon
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Username: A_womon
Post Number: 1252
Registered: 05-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 - 07:48 am: |
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Hi Thumper,
Okay, I guess I did jump off on you too quickly, I understand now, excuse the wine. And I still aint got my computer now I won't be able to get it until the first week in April. I know I know with all of the jib jab I been throwin you are saying I could have addressed that thread and you would be absolutely correct! Maybe I will today.
Carey, Be easy, friend, just let it go...
Crystal! That was funnneee!!! |
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