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Shevi
Newbie Poster
Username: Shevi
Post Number: 17
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 26, 2005 - 04:15 pm: | 
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I am currently reading Standing on the Scratch Line by Guy Johnson. I am loving this story! I was looking for the sequel, Echoes of a Distant Summer and found out it is out of print. My question is to the experts at Thumper's Corner, Why does a fairly new book go out of print? The clerk at Karibu books in Maryland said that they receive a lot of requests for the book, so it appears to me that there is a demand for it. I don't understand why it's not available anymore. Can someone explain this to me?
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Chrishayden
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 952
Registered: 03-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 26, 2005 - 05:42 pm: |
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Shevi:
Generally because it isn't selling |
Thumper
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Thumper
Post Number: 330
Registered: 01-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 26, 2005 - 07:02 pm: |
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Hello All,
Shevi: Chris is correct. Books are allowed to go out of print if its not selling. They may also go out of print if the publisher is only allowed to print so many printings of a book.
Second, Echoes of a Distant Summer is not a new book. I think, if my memory is correct, that we featured it as a CWMYB selection a month or two after it first hit the stands a couple of years ago. I don't know why Guy Johnson's books never caught on. I know those of us on the board that have read them, LOVED them! But, then again, we're the odd men out because we like for our books to be well written!
Third, keep a look out at yard sales, Half Price book stores, even other black bookstores, for they may have copies of the book on their shelves. I have gotten many out of print books this ways. |
Amitenejah
Regular Poster
Username: Amitenejah
Post Number: 45
Registered: 12-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 26, 2005 - 09:34 pm: |
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shevi:
Something ran across:
http://www.edunow.com/0375505679.shtml
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Carey
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Carey
Post Number: 419
Registered: 05-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 26, 2005 - 10:22 pm: |
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Hello Shevi
Not to rub it in but not only did we read that book as a book of the month, we had the pleasure of talking with the author on line. That's right, the Thumper's Corner crew kicked up our feet and had a wonderful time speaking with Guy Johnson. Some of us **cough cough** even got autographed copies or book plates. I am sad to hear that Distant Summer is out of print. It's sad because Guy Johnson is a great writer and storyteller. It's a shame his work is not being rewarded. As Thump said, everyone's coat we pulled loved the book and couldn't wait for echoes to come out. We may not have like it as much as the first one but Guy set the bar pretty high. I am truely greatful that you shared that with us (book being out of print) I didn't know that. I think I'll take mine down from the shelf and hide it.
Have you ever sat in on one of our chats. If not, you missed some marvelous times, we had big fun. Yes, we like well written books and they don't always make it to the top. Why the hell is that? What's going wrong. I know, I know, money talks and life ain't fair but damn, it just shouldn't be!
aaahhhh, how much did you say that you were willing to pay for "echoes"? *smile*
Carey
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Amitenejah
Regular Poster
Username: Amitenejah
Post Number: 46
Registered: 12-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 27, 2005 - 02:43 am: |
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Shevi
Quotes from above posts: “I don't know why Guy Johnson's books never caught on. I know those of us on the board that have read them, LOVED them!”
“… we read that book as a book of the month, we had the pleasure of talking with the author on line. … Thumper's Corner crew kicked up our feet and had a wonderful time speaking with Guy Johnson. Some of us … even got [free?] autographed copies or book plates. I am sad to hear … It's sad because Guy Johnson is a great writer and storyteller. It's a shame his work is not being rewarded.”
The first book got over 60 reviews (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0375501584/qid=1106806987/sr=1-1/r ef=sr_1_1/104-7672991-0116763?v=glance&s=books), the second book only received 6 ((http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0375505679/ref=pd_ecc_rvi_1/104-76 72991-0116763?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance). One loyal reader is found reviewing both books.
Given the statements quoted above, and the last three reviews (all 2004) it seems like author made a ‘last [p]itch effort’ to drum up some needed support for the project. Perhaps he wrongfully felt the success of the first publication would automatically transfer to the sequel project. And perhaps he also felt that by making those personal end-of-year appearances, and dropping off nice Kwanzaa gifts, the reviews would flow like refreshing and revitalizing streams of water.
Three reviews in all of 2004, and two of the three came in September, not exactly revitalizing or refreshing, eh, more like a teardrop in a wash bucket.
The data suggests that the second book was not delivered (marketed) to the public as the first one was; a ‘bandwagon’ was never created for the second book, and by the time the author got around to creating one, the band had already gone home and the wagon was out of gas.
If you liked that first book, I strongly suggest you write a review for that one, and given that you are encouraged to buy the second one, I would suggest that you pre-order the second, this registers your interest in the second one as well.
[I wonder, and would like to know, how many of the 'TC crew' wrote reviews?] |
Kathleen_cross
Veteran Poster
Username: Kathleen_cross
Post Number: 60
Registered: 01-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 27, 2005 - 04:14 am: |
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Another reason a book goes out of print is that the author was paid an advance that is so small that the publisher recoups and profits with the first print run and a second printing is not considered worth the risk of unsold (or unsaleable) overstock.
With a larger advance to the author, the publisher must keep the book in print long enough to recoup costs and maximize profit. |
Carey
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Carey
Post Number: 426
Registered: 05-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 27, 2005 - 10:59 am: |
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Hey Teenie Weenie, are you schooling us or just pulling our coats? Maybe you are just showing us how intelligent you are, what's up? Don't get me wrong, you spill is good but as you can see by a couple of posts, your motive and delivery might be in question......feel me? You know how you reared up when your mother was trying to tell you something that you "thought" you already knew. Well, same-same. |
Amitenejah
Regular Poster
Username: Amitenejah
Post Number: 48
Registered: 12-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 27, 2005 - 01:36 pm: |
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C said: "Hey Teenie Weenie, ..."
hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha ...
Now back to the issue of concern:
given the population of good Black authors,
given the quantity of literary discussion boards for readers of Black literature,
given the rarity of online author interviews with discussion boards,
and
given the intrinsic power of reviews,
given the expressed admiration of the book discussed,
given the tokens of appreciation (notwithstanding actual high monetary value),
and finally,
given that you have seen good Black publishers, authors, and titles disappear,
given the timid support for Troy’s initiative to positively impact Black publishing,
given the implied goals of ‘Black’ organizations for Black empowerment,
Why did Johnson only receive 3 reviews in 2004?
How many of those reviews were produced via the ‘tc-crew’?
And, more importantly
what are we doing, within our (individual and cooperative) power, to insure that good titles, Black authors, and Black publishers survive until they thrive.
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Mahoganyanais
Newbie Poster
Username: Mahoganyanais
Post Number: 19
Registered: 01-2005
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 27, 2005 - 02:00 pm: |
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Amite: Why did Johnson only receive 3 reviews in 2004? How many of those reviews were produced via the ‘tc-crew’? And, more importantly
what are we doing, within our (individual and cooperative) power, to insure that good titles, Black authors, and Black publishers survive until they thrive.
Mah: Your initial post here urging folks to promote this board on Amazon was news to me. Not that I profess to know everything (or even much) about what all Amazon has to offer, but is Amazon how a lot of people choose sites to visit?
I have, however, told quite a few people about TC and aalbc.com since I discovered it recently. And they'll two friends, and they'll tell two friends, and so on and so on...
Amite, you've asked (chastised?) a number of times about why only 3 reviews were given. Do you have a theory?
Is your point that we (collectively) don't support each other enough in the ventures you've listed above? I think many of us have made that same observation, and concerned folks work to remedy that, each in his or her own way(s).
There are many ways to promote "good titles, Black authors, and Black publishers." Buying the books, telling friends, attending readings and signings, posting positive reviews on Amazon and elsewhere. There are many authors featured on this site and this board, and a bazillion titles on Amazon. How can anyone know all the books which have and have not been reviewed there and by whom?
The list of books I choose to comment on probably won't be identical to anyone else's list, and may not have any books in common with yours or 5 other random people.
I feel like I'm stating the obvious.
Peace. |
Cynique
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Cynique
Post Number: 1939
Registered: 01-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 27, 2005 - 02:43 pm: |
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The problem with reviewing books, is that you have to read them. And if a book doesn't appeal to my esoteric taste, then I'm not going to read it just because it's written by a black author. Furthermore, nowadays a very high percentage of black books are self-published which has become a synonym for "self-indulgence", which is another way of saying that these authors are writing for themselves; they learn the hard way that what they find interesting is not necessarily something that will captivate readers. This is mostly because there is very little originality out there, and also because the market has become glutted. I say this as a former self-published author who finally realized those soap operas I was making up as I went along weren't that compelling. I had a ball writing them, though, and family and friends were kind enough to take them off my hands. I did have to good sense to not have too many copies printed up. Sooooo all you wanna-bes should just keep your day jobs and rein in those dreams about fame and fortune... OH, SHUT UP, you say. OK, I will. Obviously if there was an "American Icon" competition for books, I'd be Simon. ROTFLMAO. Back to my cave. I have some nuts and berries awaiting me there. zzzzzzzzz |
Carey
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Carey
Post Number: 429
Registered: 05-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 27, 2005 - 03:05 pm: |
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Thanks M'Hog, I am glad to see that others were feeling as I. I jokingly asked Teenie Wheenie of their objective/motive and I don't believe they've answered. I am feelin' them but something wasn't right. |
Mahoganyanais
Newbie Poster
Username: Mahoganyanais
Post Number: 21
Registered: 01-2005
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 27, 2005 - 03:12 pm: |
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Carey: Thanks M'Hog...
Mah: LOL! I'm looking around wondering, "Who is he talking to? Did I miss a post?" "Hog", Carey??? Help a sista's self-esteem out, will ya? ;-)
You're welcome! |
Linda
AALBC .com Platinum Poster
Username: Linda
Post Number: 98
Registered: 01-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 27, 2005 - 03:22 pm: |
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Amitenejah
I have a couple of questions for you? Why, now all of a sudden do you feel the need or have the desire to come to our site that has been running just fine with out your input and start telling everyone what you deem to be their faults in marketing, promoting, writing, etc.? As part of the staff of this site I would have to assume that you are indeed looking for answers from all the wrong people, preaching to the choir and going over the heads of the people in charge to self serve yourself. Perhaps there is something you need to talk with Troy, Thumper or myself about. If this is the case you know where to find us and who we are. Now...who are you and how may we help you? |
Amitenejah
Regular Poster
Username: Amitenejah
Post Number: 49
Registered: 12-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 27, 2005 - 05:44 pm: |
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Linda:
Given your management declaration, specifically but not limited to:
"...our site...",
"... been running just fine without you",
"... telling everyone ... their faults...",
and
"... self-serve yourself [?]..."
If you see no value in my words or contributions, clearly you have the ability to ignore them; moreover, if my words, or written positions offend you, you (as management) have the (implied) power erase them.
As for ‘who I am’, that’s irrelevant; and as for ‘how can you help me’, you could tell me the stated goals of this site and specifically tell me how my contributions are contrary to the effectuation of such goals.
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Sisg
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Sisg
Post Number: 166
Registered: 01-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 27, 2005 - 06:26 pm: |
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What a grand idea Cynique......i do see you as the Simonisque character on the show, dissing out your suttle but oh so factual nastiness! I love it! Now who would be Randy and Paula? |
Sisg
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Sisg
Post Number: 167
Registered: 01-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 27, 2005 - 06:30 pm: |
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Shevi,
I, like many on this board, absolutely loved "Standing at the Scratch Line" and "Echo's of a Distant Summer". I don't know why it is out of print. It was so well-written, and enjoyable at best. Maybe you should try your local library. I wouldnt' want you to miss this one. It is worth the effort! Good :uck to you.
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Sisg
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Sisg
Post Number: 168
Registered: 01-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 27, 2005 - 06:31 pm: |
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Shevi,
I, like many on this board, absolutely loved "Standing at the Scratch Line" and "Echo's of a Distant Summer". I don't know why it is out of print. It was so well-written, and enjoyable at best. Maybe you should try your local library. I wouldnt' want you to miss this one. It is worth the effort! Good luck to you.
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Amitenejah
Regular Poster
Username: Amitenejah
Post Number: 50
Registered: 12-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 27, 2005 - 08:31 pm: |
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Mah: Your initial post here urging folks to promote this board on Amazon was news to me. Not that I profess to know everything (or even much) about what all Amazon has to offer, but is Amazon how a lot of people choose sites to visit?
Amite: I don’t know how many people use Amazon to choose sites to visit, however I do know that Amazon has recently invested huge financial resources into their search engine capabilities. Amazon’s present search capabilities, in terms of features, far outweigh that of their competitors. They are the only search engine that I know of that has review capabilities. I see that as a resource to help Blacks get more positive exposure, hence my introduction.
Mah said: Amite, you've asked (chastised?) a number of times about why only 3 reviews were given. Do you have a theory?
Amite: Perhaps less of a theory and closer to a thought, here is what I said in an earlier post in this thread “Perhaps he wrongfully felt the success of the first publication would automatically transfer to the sequel project.”
Mah: Is your point that we (collectively) don't support each other enough in the ventures you've listed above? I think many of us have made that same observation, and concerned folks work to remedy that, each in his or her own way(s).
Amite: Yes, Mah, you are correct. To answer your first question more specifically, my position is that (regardless of race) 1) we often take things for granted, 2) we believe excellence is all we need for success, 3) good intentions are often not executed, and 4) we often seek direction from leadership. Therefore, as mentioned above perhaps Johnson kinda thought the second book would take off just because of the first did (remember Johnson’s earlier book got over 62 reviews).
To address your second statement, I believe that as well, and since I don’t believe anyone has a monopoly on good ideas I would welcome open dialogue for the sharing of effective methods, means, and ways of getting things done.
Mah: There are many ways to promote "good titles, Black authors, and Black publishers." Buying the books, telling friends, attending readings and signings, posting positive reviews on Amazon and elsewhere.
Amite: I agree.
Mah: There are many authors featured on this site and this board, and a bazillion titles on Amazon.
Amite: My primary focus was on the membership of this site that have publications available via Amazon.com, such that a review could be written.
Mah: How can anyone know all the books which have and have not been reviewed there and by whom?
Amite: I limited my scope by the resource that was before me (the board,) however I encouraged each author to post their own title and appropriate link, but you know how some people are shy at self-promotion.
Mah: The list of books I choose to comment on probably won't be identical to anyone else's list, and may not have any books in common with yours or 5 other random people.
Amite: My encouragement was for each person to write a review for what suits them.
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Mahoganyanais
Newbie Poster
Username: Mahoganyanais
Post Number: 24
Registered: 01-2005
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 27, 2005 - 08:44 pm: |
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Amite: My encouragement was for each person to write a review for what suits them.
Mah: As I read your previous posts, that was not the sentiment that was conveyed. Thank you for clarifying.
Mah said: Amite, you've asked (chastised?) a number of times about why only 3 reviews were given. Do you have a theory?
Amite: Perhaps less of a theory and closer to a thought, here is what I said in an earlier post in this thread “Perhaps he wrongfully felt the success of the first publication would automatically transfer to the sequel project.”
Mah: I was referring to the 3 reviews for TC.
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Amitenejah
Veteran Poster
Username: Amitenejah
Post Number: 51
Registered: 12-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 27, 2005 - 11:21 pm: |
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Mah: I was referring to the 3 reviews for TC.
Amite: Oh! ... ok.
The number of reviews for TC was 3 however is now at 5, http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0000ABJSW/ref=cm_rv_thx_view/104- 6933374-5562301?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance
Be it 3 or 5, plainly those are extremely low figures. I expected about 20 for the first week.
I'm about encouraging upliftment (sic) of concerns that advance our greater good as a people, however you won't see me forcing anyone (other than my children) to get stronger, smarter, and/or richer.
Nevertheless, I will continue to applaud those who recognize and seize beneficial opportunities in a timely fashion.
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Linda
AALBC .com Platinum Poster
Username: Linda
Post Number: 99
Registered: 01-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, January 28, 2005 - 01:51 am: |
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Amitenejah
In response to my questions that I asked of you, I will say this. My post was due to the fact that not so much of what you said or were trying to do was a problem, it was the manner in which you were doing it. It was a tad abrupt, off the wall and condescending. Had you clarified your intent in the beginning I may have interpreted it differently. For my rudeness to you I apologize. Welcome to the board. |
Carey
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Carey
Post Number: 432
Registered: 05-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, January 28, 2005 - 02:15 am: |
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Linda psssst, don't worry about. You said it right and if it didn't settle right, that's on them. I know you noticed that others had that same "look" of dismay. How you going to run up in my house and tell me how to wash my ass or spend my money. Who asked you to get all up in my space and lend me your breathe. You know what am saying. An old player used to say, "I don't need that, teach me how to *&*&" or "cease talkin' at me"....you feel me. Sh********t, don't step on my toes and expect me to drop my drawers........what. You ain't said nothing that you need to OH-pal-o-gize about....you with me!? S*******it......please, teach me how to #*%@!
All you gotta do is say yes. Rub that around and see if you come up with sumptin' shiny and new. |
Amitenejah
Veteran Poster
Username: Amitenejah
Post Number: 53
Registered: 12-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, January 28, 2005 - 02:16 am: |
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Thanks for the welcome, and the apology is appreciated.
Given the negative vibe that has clouded my efforts I respectfully request deletion of all of my posts. When I tried to delete one this was my auto response I received: "Sorry, but the message you were attempting to delete was posted more than 0 minutes ago. You are not permitted to delete messages more than 0 minutes old. If the message needs to be deleted, contact a moderator, who can delete the message for you through the administration program."
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Carey
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Carey
Post Number: 434
Registered: 05-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, January 28, 2005 - 11:46 am: |
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Drama.....cheap drama at that. You said it so stand on it. If it was so relavant why run for the hills now. Truth be told it was some good sh*t but the deliver was the misstep. See, throughh it all we all learned something and in that it was a positive.....right? Our best experiences, are those that leave an inprint on our brain, a stain on our egos and are generally those that cause us a little harm/pain. |
Mahoganyanais
Newbie Poster
Username: Mahoganyanais
Post Number: 25
Registered: 01-2005
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, January 28, 2005 - 11:57 am: |
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Carey: Drama.....cheap drama at that.
Mah: You forgot "predictable drama." |
Linda
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Linda
Post Number: 101
Registered: 01-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, January 28, 2005 - 12:51 pm: |
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Amitenejah
There is no need for the deletion, the post will stand. Your intentions are fair and insightful for authors and aspiring authors in regard to marketing strategies, however, AALBC has no say so in who places reviews on Amazon as we provide reviews/discussions here and the opportunity for author pages goes with the package. The reviews on Amazon are for Amazon and it's buyers, even though we appreciate the sales coming through our site there is no obligation on our part of our visitors to leave reviews for the authors. So, no harm done, continue on and I hope that all of the knowledge you have and wish to convey will help lead others to recognize that the writing world has many obstacles and avenues of which to gain exposure of which they should utilize. The support of the readers are entirely left up to the readers.
Carey....thanks....I knew you had my back. We have to be careful who we allow up here in this house of Thumps...you know! Drama can get so ugly and cause many to head for the hills, therefore shutting down the input of many worthwhile discussions and you know we know how quickly that happens around here.
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Shevi
Newbie Poster
Username: Shevi
Post Number: 18
Registered: 01-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, January 28, 2005 - 04:02 pm: |
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Wow!!! Thanks everyone for the input, I knew I came to the right place for an answer. I will look for a copy at a used bookstore and at yard sales and hopefully will come across a copy for my home library. If not, I'll see if my local library has a copy. I'm looking forward to reading Echoes of a Distant Summer, I hope I'm successful in finding a copy.  |
Amitenejah
Veteran Poster
Username: Amitenejah
Post Number: 54
Registered: 12-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, January 28, 2005 - 04:24 pm: |
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Shevi
Sorry about all the blood, glass, and bullet casings spewed about your fine thread. hahahahaah
Ah, but it ain't over yet, please excuse us (take cover) as we continue ... |
Amitenejah
Veteran Poster
Username: Amitenejah
Post Number: 55
Registered: 12-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, January 28, 2005 - 05:24 pm: |
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Linda:
You said: “Your intentions are fair and insightful for authors and aspiring authors in regard to marketing strategies, however, AALBC has no say so in who places reviews on Amazon as we provide reviews/discussions here and the opportunity for author pages goes with the package. The reviews on Amazon are for Amazon and it's buyers, even though we appreciate the sales coming through our site there is no obligation on our part of our visitors to leave reviews for the authors. So, no harm done, continue on and I hope that all of the knowledge you have and wish to convey will help lead others to recognize that the writing world has many obstacles and avenues of which to gain exposure of which they should utilize. The support of the readers are entirely left up to the readers.”
My response: Acknowledged, understood, and appreciated.
You also said: “There is no need for the deletion, the post will stand.”
My response: Wooooooooooooooo! Given the ruling, how may I appeal that decision?
Although I understand that my expressions hereon may be the property of ‘thumperscorner’, nevertheless, I feel a degree of ownership of such words and sentiments, as such I wish to request additional management review of his/her or their decision to detain the words associated with the account captioned ‘Amitenejah’.
Please note, since the subject information is not unique or otherwise considered proprietary by the original author, any value vested in said information may be transferred to any other member. as such the perceived or true value for the community would remain undisturbed.
In other words, where do I file my ‘please, please, pretty please, with sugar on top’ plea?
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Thumper
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Thumper
Post Number: 331
Registered: 01-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, January 28, 2005 - 06:44 pm: |
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Hello All,
I do apologize to Shevi for us going all off course.
Amitenejah: As was stated before. Your efforts are appreciated, but as Linda stated, we really don't care about Amazon.com and their reviews, just our little percentage that we get from Amazon.com each time a book is bought through this site. While Amazon.com is important to the publishing industry, AALBC included, its not a place where we can be ourselves...Thumper's Corner is.
Now, as far as deleting your previous post, well that ain't going to happen. *smile* You've just been baptized in fire. You get your tribal marks on your face now. So, relax, exhale, and tell us what book you're reading.
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Jmho
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Jmho
Post Number: 104
Registered: 03-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, January 28, 2005 - 06:49 pm: |
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Amitenejah wrote:
Although I understand that my expressions hereon may be the property of ‘thumperscorner’, nevertheless, I feel a degree of ownership of such words and sentiments, as such I wish to request additional management review of his/her or their decision to detain the words associated with the account captioned ‘Amitenejah’.
Didn't you know this before you started posting? Do you want all your posts deleted? And, if so, this means you won't be posting the the future, right? I see these postings on the boards, like words that leave your mouth, once out there you can't put them back in. Just see this as a way of monitoring what you post in the future, and if you think you might wanted it deleted later, then don't post it. This seems to be a start of a bad trend. |
Amitenejah
Veteran Poster
Username: Amitenejah
Post Number: 56
Registered: 12-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, January 28, 2005 - 09:49 pm: |
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Jmho: Didn't you know this before you started posting?
My response: Although with some boards the original author is able to delete or amend their own post within a reasonable amount time (ie: 15 mins), the more advanced sites permit deletions anytime from the original poster. Therefore it varies from board to board.
In the absence of exacting policy, it could reasonable be concluded that if you post it it is theirs. However, it could and should be equally presumed that upon request such material would be deleted, especially if said material could just as easily be entered by another member with harm to anyone.
Jmho: Do you want all your posts deleted?
You are correct, that was the request.
Jmho: And, if so, this means you won't be posting the the future, right?
Perhaps; although related I view those two actions as separate.
Jmho: I see these postings on the boards, like words that leave your mouth, once out there you can't put them back in. Just see this as a way of monitoring what you post in the future, and if you think you might wanted it deleted later, then don't post it. This seems to be a start of a bad trend.
That’s one way of viewing it; however what you are forgetting is unlike words that leave your mouth, written words can be erased. From what I have learned yesterday, according to one member/poster some of my words have already been deleted (erased); which if true is proof that it can and has occurred.
As for this ‘can’t erase or edit your own post at any time’ thing, that’s fairly new and rarely used, I’m willing to bet a pretty penny it won’t last here for long either.
When writers, avid readers, or teenie-weenie-wannabies like me see simple little typos it could get annoying, and it’s additionally annoying to know you can’t correct it just because that particular function has been turned off (note that is not off for mods). But the most substantive reason why it won’t last (in my TWWHO)is because, if someone knows that each word they write is etched in stone they will write less words [translation decreased participation].
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Amitenejah
Veteran Poster
Username: Amitenejah
Post Number: 57
Registered: 12-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, January 28, 2005 - 10:21 pm: |
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Thumper said:
“Now, as far as deleting your previous post, well that ain't going to happen. *smile* You've just been baptized in fire. You get your tribal marks on your face now. So, relax, ...”
“[evil grin] *smile*”, hahahaha, “baptized in fire”, HAHAHAhaha, “tribal marks”, HAHAHAHAHAHA, good one (oops three, LOL).
Okkkkkkkkkk, back to my case at the AALBC courts. To recap, I lost my case on the administrative law level with Judge Linda, lost my case on appeal with Judge Thumper, [thinking] seems like my final option rests with the supreme court wherein Judge Troy presides.
Well, gotta run to the research library on this one, since it’s my final recourse.
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Jmho
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Jmho
Post Number: 105
Registered: 03-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, January 28, 2005 - 11:21 pm: |
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Amitenejah wrote
Jmho: Do you want all your posts deleted?
You are correct, that was the request.
Why do you then continue to post, if you want your posts to ultimately be deleted? You can control the deletion, of your future posts, by ceasing to post.
Amitenejah wrote
That’s one way of viewing it; however what you are forgetting is unlike words that leave your mouth, written words can be erased.
Not at all. But once you click on the icon, 'Post this Message' notwithstanding a glitch, then it appears on the board. I also know that if you click the other icon, 'Cancel Post' that your words don't appear.
Amitenejah wrote:
From what I have learned yesterday, according to one member/poster some of my words have already been deleted (erased); which if true is proof that it can and has occurred.
Well, the controller of this board has that power. But, again, you do have the power from this point on whether or not your words can be/will be erased.
Amitenejah wrote
As for this ‘can’t erase or edit your own post at any time’ thing, that’s fairly new and rarely used, I’m willing to bet a pretty penny it won’t last here for long either.
Sorry, but I ain't a betting person.
Amitenejah wrote:
When writers, avid readers, or teenie-weenie-wannabies like me see simple little typos it could get annoying,
Well, you do get a chance to review your post before posting. And, you can always run a spell check on your words. But this 'delete my posts' request didn't stem from simple little typos.
Amitenejah wrote:
and it’s additionally annoying to know you can’t correct it just because that particular function has been turned off (note that is not off for mods).
See above.
Amitenejah wrote:
But the most substantive reason why it won’t last (in my TWWHO)is because, if someone knows that each word they write is etched in stone they will write less words [translation decreased participation].
Based on what some have posted, that's not necessarily a bad thing.
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Carey
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Carey
Post Number: 437
Registered: 05-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, January 29, 2005 - 12:30 am: |
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Go ahead JMHO, do your thang, handle'm!
Young whipper snappers can't just say yes, ummm umm ummp. But hey, the kid's gettin' his roll out. Gotta give them that, sure is. If I was going to pick a team to stand with, I would have to give them a long hard look. The first thang I would TRY to convey to them is there's a time to hold'em and I time to fold'em. Wast'in all that book smarts on nicky nack patty WACK *smile*. Throw your hands up kid and join the team. Now we done told ya. If you prefer being an adversary then don't go away cryin' talkin' about they pickin' on me. |
Thumper
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Thumper
Post Number: 332
Registered: 01-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, January 29, 2005 - 07:12 am: |
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Hello All,
Amit wrote: "Okkkkkkkkkk, back to my case at the AALBC courts. To recap, I lost my case on the administrative law level with Judge Linda, lost my case on appeal with Judge Thumper, [thinking] seems like my final option rests with the supreme court wherein Judge Troy presides."
Sorry dawg, I'm the first and last word on this board. That's why it's my name on the top of the board. Amit, why are we still discussing this? If you don't want to be here, don't come. If you don't want to post, don't post. It can't be no simplier than that. Now, let's move on. |
Cynique
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Cynique
Post Number: 1944
Registered: 01-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, January 29, 2005 - 06:38 pm: |
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Humm. Although nothing has been said to confirm it, like others, I do get the feeling that Amitenejah is a male. But did I miss something? Where does the idea come from that this glib, astute individual is a teen-aged whipper snapper, especially since "he" has made reference to "his" children? Just curious. |
Mahoganyanais
Regular Poster
Username: Mahoganyanais
Post Number: 29
Registered: 01-2005
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, January 29, 2005 - 07:33 pm: |
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Cynique: Where does the idea come from that this glib, astute individual is a teen-aged whipper snapper
Mah: "Tenejah"=teenager phonetically |
Cynique
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Cynique
Post Number: 1945
Registered: 01-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, January 29, 2005 - 08:11 pm: |
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Humm. I thought that was some kind of an African name. He's very precocious if he is a teen-ager, because the quote below sounds to me like an adult speaking. Whatever.
Amitenejah says:
"I'm about encouraging upliftment (sic) of concerns that advance our greater good as a people, however you won't see me forcing anyone (other than my children) to get stronger, smarter, and/or richer."
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Mahoganyanais
Regular Poster
Username: Mahoganyanais
Post Number: 31
Registered: 01-2005
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, January 29, 2005 - 08:26 pm: |
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I don't think he's a teenager...
http://www.funwithwealth.com/wst_page2.php
Looks like he's my homeboy, though (from Jacksonville).
Interesting name! |
Carey
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Carey
Post Number: 440
Registered: 05-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, January 29, 2005 - 10:59 pm: |
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I am a teen ager, Florida......uuummm. Okay, now what's behind the extended hand.......I am just asking. You know, something about gifts and being cautious.
I had an Amway fellow tell me that he was going to help out my Little League program. Low and behold he was going to help by SELLING us his products and we could then make this B I G money. I couldn't get the words out of my mouth fast enough to tell him what I thought of his help. I mean, don't come sideways and expect me to lean forward with open arms.......feel me. Yeah, we might be a little funny about thangs but hey, lay it out and don't have me wondering what we are about to get into. I KNOW you know what I am talking about. If you don't then you probably should asks a good trusting friend. |
Shevi
Newbie Poster
Username: Shevi
Post Number: 19
Registered: 01-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, February 24, 2005 - 08:29 am: |
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Hello Everyone,
I heard at my book club meeting the other night that Echoes of a Distant Summer is coming out in paperback at the end of the summer. A member e-mailed Guy Johnson and he said it should be out in August. He is also working on his third novel. |
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