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Augustuzziah
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Username: Augustuzziah
Post Number: 6
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, January 07, 2005 - 11:50 am: | 
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found this about jack johnson and the ken burns doc
http://sports.excite.com/news/01072005/v3529.html |
Thumper
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Username: Thumper
Post Number: 313
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, January 07, 2005 - 06:05 pm: |
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Hello All,
Augustuzziah, thanks for the link. Have you started reading Unforgivable Blackness? |
Augustuzziah
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Username: Augustuzziah
Post Number: 7
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, January 08, 2005 - 07:11 pm: |
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Thumper,
being relatively new to this sight, or at least to posting, i feel as though i need to ask your permission to call you Thumper, but to answer the question yes i have read it and am very much looking forward to seeing the documentary. It is amazing how a black man could have lived that life at that time in history. I think that there are some considerable differences in the movie 'the great white hope' and the book. certainly one of the times when reality was better than fiction. |
Thumper
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Username: Thumper
Post Number: 317
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, January 11, 2005 - 12:35 pm: |
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Hello All,
Augustuzziah: You don't need my permission to call me Thumper. *smile* I have just reached the middle of Unforgivable Blackness and I am LOVING IT!!! The author does a remarkable job with the book. It's not every biography that I read where the footnotes are just as interesting as the main body! Right now I am at the end of the "Rise" of Jack Johnson. I have a feeling that his "Fall" from grace will be just as exciting. |
Chrishayden
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Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 939
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, January 11, 2005 - 04:55 pm: |
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Thumper:
You don't know the story of Jack Johnson?
I won't spoil it for you but I'll give you a little hint
He dies in the end |
Thumper
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Username: Thumper
Post Number: 318
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 12, 2005 - 09:13 am: |
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Hello All,
Chris: Come on now, dawg...SNAP OUT OF IT!! Of course I know the story of Jack Johnson, but that don't mean that I should not read the book, does it? *eyebrow raised* Actually, for all that I thought I knew, reading this book I am aware that I did not know as much as I thought. So, its all good. It might be even better if you picked up the book, yourself. |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 1926
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 12, 2005 - 07:33 pm: |
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I can't believe it! I just strolled into my local library to browse, and there propped up on a display table was not only a copy of "Unforgiving Blackness," but one of "Arc of Justice." Just waiting for me to check them out! The exact kind of books I'm into these days. I was so carried away that I forgot to go to the shelves to thumb through a copy of "Their Eyes Were Watching God" to see what complexion Tea Cake was. Oh well. As for Janie, I think Halle will handle this role OK. I don't recall that Janie was anything other than naive and frustrated. Of course by book's end, as in all good novels, conflict had changed and mellowed her, leaving her a stronger, wiser woman. |
Reader23
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Username: Reader23
Post Number: 6
Registered: 11-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, January 14, 2005 - 04:10 pm: |
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I waited until I finished the book to post. I purchased it last Saturday and finished last night. I loved it. I knew of the story, but the book truly pieced together the gaps in my perception. If you haven't purchased the book, do so today. |
Amitenejah
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Username: Amitenejah
Post Number: 6
Registered: 12-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, January 15, 2005 - 08:52 pm: |
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Your support for this book, should also be expressed at: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0375415327/qid%3D1105840162/sr%3D11-1/ref %3Dsr%5F11%5F1/002-5228289-0501607
and to do right by thumperscorner.com you could also say something about the board in your review.
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Thumper
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Username: Thumper
Post Number: 321
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, January 18, 2005 - 06:19 pm: |
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Hello All,
How many of you tuned in last night for the first part of the Unfogivable Blackness documentary? I did, and I must say that I loved it!! I loved the book, and now the documentary is proving to be just as entertaining. You all know that I am a boxing fan from way back, so to have the opportunity to see the films of Jack Johnson boxing is exciting, to say the least. Needless to say, I'm looking forward to Part 2 tonight. |
Thumper
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Username: Thumper
Post Number: 322
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 19, 2005 - 11:04 am: |
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Hello All,
I just finished watching Unforgivable Blackness and I loved it!! Ken Burns did his usual wonderful job. But, I have to say that I am most impressed by the fact that the documentary was not boring to me, especially with me having read the book first. Of course the book contains more information about Jack Johnson then the documentary covered (both the book and the doc was written by Geoffrey Ward), but I did not feel slighted by the doc for not having covered it.
I walked away from these projects liking Johnson a little more. He was a ballsy dude, if not a little stupid as well. Is Johnson the greatest heavyweight of all times? After looking at his boxing films, I am strongly leaning to answering, yes, he was the greatest.
If you haven't read the book, or seen the documentary, I strongly recommend it. At the very least, it will give many of us someone new to focus on this February. |
Augustuzziah
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Username: Augustuzziah
Post Number: 8
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 19, 2005 - 06:39 pm: |
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Thumper why do you say stupid - I can't get to that - maybe because I am still amazed how a black man could have lived his life in the way he did - in the time that he did. I'm impressed by how articulate and well thought out that Johnson seems to have been. |
Thumper
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Username: Thumper
Post Number: 324
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 19, 2005 - 08:22 pm: |
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Hello Augustuzziah,
Stupid, ego, self-centeredness, what word or term should I use. Here's a man, a black man, who lived his life breaking all taboos and acceptable social customs that a black man can make, and yet Johnson seemed geniunely surprised that white America hell bent to get his black behind. You don't take on an enemy and underestimate his desire to burn your butt. And that was Johnson's downfall. Either he saw the anger he generated from America and he chose to ignore it, OR he was either too self-centered or stupid that he didn't see it coming; and therefore left his game loosey-goosey (his sex life and his white women). Really, he declared war on white American society. And while he was well shielded on several fronts: (his amazing boxing skills, his intelligence, etc; he still left his ass all out in the open. I mean really...didn't he feel that breeze blowing across those cheeks? *eyebrow raised* |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 1931
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, January 21, 2005 - 02:58 pm: |
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I agree that Jack Johnson was a slave to his ego. But was he in denial about the peril he was putting himself in or was he just determined to remain true to himself??? Yes, he fell out of favor in the boxing world but he was down, not out. In his final years, he had again reverted to an affluent lifestyle and, for his generation, his fame remained in tact. And they didn't actually throw the mold away when they made him, considering how today many black athletes emulate his bling-bling lifestyles and taste for white women. That's a dubious legacy, of course, but who can deny that Johnson was a remarkable human being, and I think that with the revival of interest in him and with the movement to restore him to his rightful place in history, ol Jack got the last laugh. |
Mahoganyanais
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Username: Mahoganyanais
Post Number: 6
Registered: 01-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, January 21, 2005 - 03:05 pm: |
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I watched the PBS documentary, and I'm inclined to believe he wasn't in denial, just did whatever the hell he wanted. While charged with crimes related to one of his many white women, he *married* the white woman in question. He struck me as a lot of things (many negative), but clueless wasn't one of them. |
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