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Zane
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, September 15, 2003 - 08:39 am: | 
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Speaking of book titles, I was wondering what you all think about this one: "Scam: How the Black Leadership Exploits America" by Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson aka "the other Jesse."
Here is a link to the story but I will also paste it below.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=34496
Tuesday, September 9, 2003
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WND BOOKS
Truth-telling 'Scam'
hot off the press
Jesse Peterson's work exposes fraudulent 'black leaders'
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Posted: September 9, 2003
1:00 a.m. Eastern
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© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com
While increasing numbers of Americans have come to regard Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and other establishment "black leaders" as con artists, gaining money and power by promoting racial tension and class warfare, never before has a book ripped the "scam" wide open like the latest offering from WND Books.
This is a book people like Jackson and Sharpton will try to discredit and suppress at all costs.
In "Scam: How the Black Leadership Exploits Black America," which has just been released, Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson – a true black leader whom many affectionately call "the other Jesse" – shows how the civil-rights establishment has made a lucrative career out of keeping racial strife alive in America.
He reveals how establishment black leaders endlessly promise solutions to the problems of America's inner cities, but deliver only ineffective Band-Aids. From the dismal failure of the welfare system, to the farce of the slavery-reparations movement, to the problems within black churches and the hypocrisy and corruption of current black "leaders," Peterson argues compellingly that the real crisis we face is spiritual, and that no economic solution will suffice. He skillfully weaves the realms of politics, culture, psychology and religion into this profound and relevant book.
Rather than promote perpetual victimhood, Peterson offers a platform of true empowerment, teaching individuals and families how to tap into the power within, rather than depending on handouts.
Jesse Peterson
Peterson is a successful entrepreneur, motivational speaker, author, and founder/president of a highly successful nonprofit organization, the Los Angeles-based Brotherhood Organization of a New Destiny or B.O.N.D. – whose purpose is "rebuilding the family by rebuilding the man."
Featured on many news programs, including CNN, Fox News, "World News Tonight With Peter Jennings," and "Nightline" with Ted Koppel, Peterson also hosts his own live call-in radio talk show in Los Angeles and hosts a television show on God's Learning Channel, a satellite network.
Well-known for his public criticism of "black leaders," Peterson considers Jesse Jackson a "racist demagogue, a David Duke in black skin." In fact, for the past four years, "the other Jesse" has held an annual event called the "National Day of repudiation of Jesse Jackson."
"We will hold this event every year until Jesse Jackson repents of his ways, and stops attempting to tear the races apart for his own personal gain," said Peterson. "Dr. King is turning over in his grave seeing what his movement has become, thanks to people like Jesse Jackson."
Unlike the limousine-riding establishment "black leaders," Peterson is the product of a fascinating life experience and longtime grass-roots community work on the streets of riot-torn south-central Los Angeles.
"The exact opposite of the likes of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, Jesse Peterson is a truly authentic 'black leader,'" said WND Vice President David Kupelian. "An eloquent and principled defender of traditional values, Jesse is also one of America's best counselors. He has the kind of genuine, street-smart authenticity and inner strength that it takes to be able to grab a hardened gang-banger by the scruff of the neck, talk to him, shake him up, and make him look at himself and turn his life around."
Order "Scam: How the Black Leadership Exploits Black America," by Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson, and you'll be eligible to receive three FREE issues of WND's popular Whistleblower magazine (a $22.50 free value).
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Chris Hayden
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Here is more on the other Jessie-- He sounds like an Alan Keyes type loose cannon to me
http://www.pressipice.com/peterson.htm
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ABM
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I don't know much of anything about Jesse Peterson, though what little I do know I am not especially impressed with. And I probably share some of his criticism of our so-called "Black leaders". But it seems to me Peterson is trying to use Jackson and Sharpton in very much the same way that he accuses them of using others.
And bottom-line: No matter how evolved and independent we may want to think that we are, if we got into some REALLY DEEP trouble with White folks, most of us would go crying to Jesse Jackson. |
Cynique
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 12:19 pm: |
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I have to view the "other Jesse" with a jaundiced eye because if a person is be judged by the company he keeps, this guy sounds like he'd be very comfortable hangin out with conservative lackeys like Ward Connerly, Thomas Sowell, Alan Keyes, and Roy Innis, et al. And in the long run, conservatives do not have the best interests of black folks at heart. |
yukio
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ABM and Cynique, i agree with both of you. Black America is transforming, but transforming into what?
Some concerns for socalled "black readers":
I know that we've never been a homogeneous group, because varied political leanings, ie conservatives, radicals, liberals, US nationalists, black nationalists, etc.... Still, this had primarily been among classical African Americans, which refers to those black americans that have been here several generations. The New african americans are second and first generations Africans that have integrated and assimilated classical African American culture. Our black leaderships needs to be more politically savy, therefore....because black america also includes these different black cultural groups, such as africans and caribbeans.
Additionally, some phenotypically black people don't consider themselves as part of Black America; instead, they see themselves as soley Americans who happen to be black, who are often individualists.
These concerns need to be addressed, because poverty has always been a dilemma, but wealth seems to evades us, so how these "leaders" address these issues politically will be crucial to just getting the support of the general black population.....we are losing our support base, NO? |
Mr. Immigrant
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 01:21 am: |
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Dear Yukio:
You guys chopped off your right arm with de-segregation.
Now you let the Latinos OutNumber you, and unlike your arrogant hard headed behinds, they have more loyalty and share a common language other than English. This is how you cut off your left arm.
I see you paying a heavy price for running away from your blackness. This should have been your one unifying factor. From that heritage you could have been a powerful force, as you literally changed the planet in the 1960's by the same unifying nationalism that today makes JAPAN indestructable.
But now look at you. Your kids are a disgrace and you do nothing with all the vast spiritual stength your ancestors left you. The whiteness is turning you into dust.
A bunch of intellectuals with no seed to carry on, no concrete racial pride and cultural pride to slow your fall.
No other black from somewhere else can tell you flashy black Americans anything because you're too hard headed and stubborn and yet you have no concept of family, community or dedication to values.
Many of your leaders are not even true black people and yet they dare to speak for all of us and ruin our lives right along with theirs.
You sold out your own infants and then killed your parents. That's the mark of death.
Just a disgrace!
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Cynique
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Where are you an immigrant from? You sound like one of those African brothers who always want to put American Blacks down. Until your country gets its act together, you need to chill out. Your rant is a case of the pot calling the kettle black. |
yukio
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Mr. Immigrant and Cynique: I think both remarks are valuable.
Cynique: I think this person can "comment" and should, since it informs some of us of other opinions. Still, i have to partially agree and add to what you say: Even if this person's country did have their "act together," I still don't think their remarks could be called "informed" or instrumentally useful since all groups and countries suffer differently. Although the general problem is similar, ie poverty, racism, etc...the details which dictate how these things can be resolved are often quite different.
Mr.Immigrant: Interesting points! I do believe in cultural and political nationalism, ie black nationalism or an African American nationalism, but this did not and has not happened. It is difficult to determine what this form of political mobilization would have or changed, however. At the end of the day, i do think it would have enabled us to have stronger cultural and political consciousness, but materially, i'm not sure what it would have done. At this point, therefore, your remarks, though interesting, are more or less "what ifs"?
If we really consider "Latinos," we could, perhaps, get a glimpse of what could have been. Your comments lack any analysis, only finger pointing, so let me make some points to open this discussion:
"Latinos" have been able to access a proportionate amount of political power, African Americans have, from both their past political mobilization(sometimes w/african americans, some still persist), their present political mobilization, and their increasing numbers as a group. This is what you've identified.
Now, the problem is that "Latinos" are not homogeneous. They're constitutive of different and varied cultural groups, ie native american, african, different continents, islands, etc....
There are several consequences of theses differeneces, therefore, two of which i will address. One, except in major cities, they are primarily the minority, and they remain politically exploited and disenfranchised. Two, their cultural and racial differences often prevent a "Pan-Latino" political mobilization, which can be demonstrated both inter-ethnically between Mexicans and Puerto Ricans, for example, or internally, between dark skinned CUbans and white skinned Cubans. In addition, generational changes also contribute to fissures among "Latinos." There are studies being done which suggest what i have said, and others that also illustrate cases where "latinos" have been able to procure power, but this was often in one local, such as Miami, FL.
Finally, your remarks are one sided. You have said what Black Americans should have done, but one questions is, Were the political conditions during the 1960s and 70s affable an African American nationalism. There is much research on the black nationalism and black radicalism in the US during the 60s and 70s, and basically it says that there were organizations which attempted to mobilize a national movement, but for many reasons, they weren't able to get it done. What this suggests, and what WE and YOU, need to think about is that our destiny can not and should be be solely about US but also a clear understanding of conditions under which we live in......as many of the "black leaders" learned grass roots mobilization and the relatioships among leaders, the "masses," and the municipal and federal government are quite difficult. This is the same case with Africa and the Caribbean; local and global conditions have mutually dependent relationships, which means that we have to understand where we live local, regionally, state, province, village, city, etc... and continentally, globally, because all of this effects what we do politically.
In other words, ideological pan-africanism or black nationalism or african natinoalism will not do without engagement with the conditios under which we live. Your comments only tell us that african americans aren't black enough to you...black identification is necessary but only a start..... |
Anonymous
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Yukio, I think you're wrong.
I would agree with Mr. Immigrant on two points.
Latinos are definitely more connected by a common language, similar cultural affiliation (including Catholicism) and do seem to get motivated and united really quick whenever political issues arise. Not only that, they will live on top of one another 10 to a house and work for pennies and put all that money together and move as a unit into up the social ladder. We've seen this time and again among blacks from the Islands and latinos, but not among African Americans. Latinos have no problem cleaning toilets and living like sardines.
They also procreate like rabbits! In California, they are now 60% of the population and have made Spanish the most printed and spoken languish in that state. Regardless of Mexicans clashing with El Salvadorians and Puerto Ricans, I have also seen those groups come together when one was confronted by say--a black gang. Those latin boys unite in a minute! Puerto Ricans acculturate more like Mexicans and Venezuelans than like us. But you have to be in Texas or Cali to really find that out.
Secondly, it was during the 1960's that blacks were as close as ever to a "like mind" and a sense of corroborating blackness. AAs in the US had very strong ties to Africans on the continent and both worked in harmony to demand a new day for blacks worldwide. I do remember exactly what Mr. Immigrant is speaking of. We had a lot of good ideas, a lot of strong organizations and if you look at the art created by black youth of that period, there was a definite interest in black "thought" as a humanity unto itself and there was a very healthy consciousness. There is ZERO of this among todays black youth. Bling-bling, disrespecting women and elderly and abandoning black children have come to rule the roost. Cynique blasted this man, but failed to acknowledge that there must be some genesis of caring within this man, some feeling of connection to AAs that makes him speak out and try to get a message, however downing that message is.
I for one welcome his opinion and his caring, because its a hell of a lot more than we get from our own black youth right about now. Am I wrong?
I have noticed very sensible ideas and a sense of responsibility and community among West Indians and Africans that I simply do not find at all in our own people. Since we are all black, then why can we not put our different strengths together? Surely, as AAs, we also have strengths that they do not possess. But I agree with the brotha when he says that we are hardheaded, arrogant, stubborn and flashy. Cynique is living proof of that.
Again, the nationalism of the 1960's did not fail, Yukio. What happened is that we had never been FREE before, so when segregation ended and all our leaders were killed off or imprisoned, the masses of us wrongfully thought that we were now truly FREE. As free as the white society. We stopped passing certain sociological information to our youth and they were inclined to sell out, anything to fit in and assimilate. We gave up on nationalism because the whites made it look as though we really would be allowed to assimilate.
But both your assessments are wrong to me. I side with Mr. Immigrant on this one, although I can't say much for his style, but that's Africans. They tend to be very frank and impatient and I am shocked by how angry they are at our only being able to speak English. The Gullahs, however, win their undying praise.
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Anonymous
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Yukio, I've been thinking some more.
I would also agree with Mr. Immigrant that many of the new millennium black families that I am running across on the West Coast do not remind me anything of actual black folks.
I am a black man raised primarily in the South (Louisiana and Mississippi). I lived and worked many years in Detroit. I have met the full range of African Americans and feel that I could fit in instantly with just about any group of us. Even the Creoles of Louisiana were still heavily identified with African culture and MOST made sure to maintain affiliation with "blackness" itself..
But if you come out west, you will find that the new families really are not black people in the sense that we think of black people. Mr. Immigrant is right. In many families, the father is clearly a black man, but the wife is not and the kids are receiving their identification (as you call it Yukio) via their mother and mother's family and the general "multi-cultural" themed society. In other words, we now have mixed families that identify as "Filipino" (but to eastern blacks would look black). I had a 19 year old black fella tell me that he was "black and Indian" (he looked black to me) but that his kids were "Filipino Americans". My hand up to god, I kid you not.
Or they identify as "bi-racial" and make it a point to join the many bi-racial (anti-black) children's support groups that are springing up out here like wildflowers. White mothers don't want their black kids identifying as "black", so they are starting youth organizations to basically promote more worship of the white gene. I have even met black families where the father just stands there as the wife and kids explain with "Spanish accents" that they aren't black--they're "multi-racial Americans" of Indian and Spanish extraction, etc.
I can definitely understand the feeling by African immigrants and blacks from the Islands when they complain that American blacks are quick to give up any ties to Africa. That is true. We've always said, "I ain't lost nothing in Africa". Or "I ain't no African". Now the chillren are coming home to roost.
I didn't see how you or I or Cynique can deny this. It's far more widespread than many of us care to acknowledge, and left unchallenged, it will only grow and help to syphon off even more of our numbers.
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Cynique
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Anonymous, I'll admit that because he spoke with such contempt, my answer to Mr. Immigrant was more about resentment than anything else. I also found all of your observations very interesting. But what you had to say was just a lot of rhetoric, and my response is - what is your point? What are your solutions? That Black people come up with their own native tongue? How do you propose to stem the tide of assimilation. How do you tell people who to mate with? And what is the incentive to preserve ties to Africa? And, sorry, but I am not that amenable to having Hispanics held up as someone to emulate. Yes, they have become the largest minority, and here in Chicago they, have indeed, usurped blacks; in crime, in gang activity, in drug dealing and in the high school drop out rate. The black problem is an ongoing discussion on this board - and in this country, and one that never seems to be resolved. I'm really talked out about the matter. I am turning you over to Yukio. So, duck!
BTW, I am guilty of all the things you accused me of, except for being "flashy". "Flashy" I am not. LOL |
Cynique
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Oh yes, I forgot to mention also that in Chicago the number of registered Hispanic voters is small, and they do not vote as a bloc. I also suspect the idea of Hispanics being homogenous in NY is questionable. So,throughout American the Hispanic population isn't a monolithic as you seem to think. Also keep in mind that all Hispanics are not Catholic. I'm done! |
ABM
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Yukio,
Please clarify the following:
* What does the "this" in "Still, this had primarily been among classical African Americans, which refers to those black americans that have been here several generations." mean?
* What does "phenotypically black" mean?
I understand our assigning to certain African Americans leadership positions in AA institutions or organizations that represent and emphasize specific AA interests. But I don't understand why we must look to individuals such as Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and/or their conservative counterparts to solve ALL Black problems.
NO ONE has (ever had nor EVER will have) the diversity of talent, experiences, intellect, strength and tolerance to be/do everything for all us. And, believe it or not, some of us po' plain ol' Black foks actually have the unmitigating gaul to think that WE are more capable of doing for ourselves that our alleged "leaders" can. So why is there often so much rigmarole and handwringing about the "lack of Black leadership"?
I don't have a major problem with Black liberal types like Jackson & Sharpton or conservatives like Armstrong Williams & Jesse Peterson. I think they all advocate positions that on some level have merit. I, perhaps like most Black people, am very conservative in some ways and near-radical in others. I just think we grant these folks WAY more attention & press than they typically deserve.
What I abhor is how all these advocates, whatever their politics, behave as though theirs' is the ONLY way to resolve problems when most folks know the sources of most real problems are varied and often require complex/diverse solutions. For instance, I don't see how wealthy/powerful liberals like Jackson/Clinton can offhandedly disparage school vouchers when many of their own constituency desperately seek safe/effective education opportunities that most liberal elites are able to easily provided for their own families. And I don't understand how the Williams/Petersons of the world can decry Affirmative Action when there are countless credible studies that highlight a myriad of instances/ways that AA's continually experience harmful/destructive discrimination.
Also, too few of these advocates have actually spent any significant time on the "frontlines" of the positions they espouse. How many of these political talking-heads have spent ANY significant time teaching and administering public schools; started/operated a business that DIDN'T pertain to marketing their ideology or popularity; worked on a farm, hoisted freight on a loading dock, collected trash, bused/waited at a restaurant or done ANYTHING other than yelp from atop a soapbox? Heck, most of these folks enjoy GREAT political sway yet amazingly have never even held elective office.
And I resent how the press enjoys presenting socio-political discourse less like discussions among smart/earnest people conveying differing views and too much like a gladiator sport, where combatants must intellectually pummel and belittle each other to garner attention and recognition. The US press is as complicitous in embellishing soci-political strife in this country as any other entity.
BTW: I must say you folks have definitely up-the-ante of "intellectualism" around deeze parts lately. It's quite thrilling! Although, I wish we could be a little less condemnatory of each other than we often appear to be. |
Yukio
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ABM:
"I know that we've never been a homogeneous group, because varied political leanings, ie conservatives, radicals, liberals, US nationalists, black nationalists, etc.... Still, this had primarily been among classical African Americans, which refers to those black americans that have been here several generations."
"This" referred to the diverse and divergent political ideologies among African Americans.
Phenotype refers to our skin, so that phenotypically black refers to people with black skin. I distinguish this from those "black, brown, caramel, etc.. skinned" people who do not, either through culture or political position, desire to belong to the group we call African Americans.
Nice response, btw. |
yukio
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Anonymous:
Your first post mainly argues that(1) Latinos are group minded and (2) in the 60s blacks were like minded and now they are not.
Your second posts pertains to biracial families.
I'll address the first post.
(1)Reread my post. The question is, does their Latino solidarity translate into political power for the group?
My post argues that it does in some places, like Miami, or even particular districts, but certainly NOT Nationally! African Americans also control certain cities and districts, but that isn't national power. My point is that it takes more than solidarity to procure political power AND that the alleged solidarity is only present in certain areas.
(2)Reread my post. I also said that there were organizations, but there weren't able to achieve/actualize their major goals. "Black Power" is still present on college campuses, in churches, and different local and grassroots organizations. Again, the question is, How can we mobilize this black power so that we as a nation can have real political power?
In other words, liberation requires more than blackness; it requires work.... |
yukio
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Anonymous:
Also, your comments characterize what you have seen, but they do not address whether what you see in your particular environs are representative nationally. In addition, your post, though passionate, does not tells us if Latinos "solidarity" has translated into any real political power. My posts have attempted to suggest that at this point, Latinos, though numerically superior, have yet to procure the political power that their numbers reflect. Therefore, we need to continue to empower ourselves either through cultural nationalism or multi-cultural politics.
Africans and the Caribbeans in the US do not have national or even municipal political power(only Cubans in Miami/Spanish Caribbean). They do, however, organize as an ethnic group, which enables them to procure property and local social and political power, but this again is in small numbers. Again, this is also true among African Americans, as illustrated from black churches and the properties that they own.
Integration: The group consciousness that we had has definitely waned. This is unfortunate! We like other groups have culturally integrated, so many of us see ourselves as Americans first and then black people. Still, African American culture is strong, and many of us retain our roots which is demonstrative in our cuisine, religion, music, language, etc....this is all culture, btw.
Indeed, since we are a numerically minority it is unlikely unless in certain places like Detroit, Dc, and Atlanta, it is unlikely for the affluent black family to live among other black folk. |
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