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Chris Hayden
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 13, 2003 - 03:44 pm: | 
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Stanley is a writer and this is a writer/journalistic story--
Dang! The guy starts rapping black and gets canned!
http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0320/king.php |
Thumper
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 13, 2003 - 06:59 pm: |
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Hello Chris,
Thanks for the article. Those are some of the truest words Crouch has ever spoken. He was correct on white folks and the music black folks created in spite of the racism in this country.
I'm not a fan of Crouch's. I disagree with him on a number of things. Don't get started on that novel he wrote, Don't The Moon Look Lonesome, which should have had an axe taken to it. But as far as the white music establishment sitting in judgement over who's who and what's what, he's right. How else did Elvis become king?
But, did he deserve what he got? Nope. Am I surprised, hell no. I would say that maybe he's suffering from Clarence Thomas-itis, though. *LOL* |
Mike Evans
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, May 21, 2003 - 11:33 am: |
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Crouch is saying the same things he has always said. The column that got him canned is not much different from some of his past columns.Crouch has always "rapped" black [where's that come from]; you may not like what he has to say but he's no Ken Hamblin or Shelby Steele. Hell even in his nationalist days he was an acerbic,critical thinker. Unfortunately Crouch's definition of jazz has become more narrow as he's aged and all he can see is Wynton Marsalis [who has become dull,dull,dull as time passes]. Still Crouch did not deserve to be canned. Lets just hope he doesn't use his time to write another lame novel. |
Sssss Girl Poisonous
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, May 21, 2003 - 01:13 pm: |
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I totally despise Stanley Crouch. He hates black women.
He's a sellout in my book on top of that.
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Mike Evans
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 10:11 am: |
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Where do you get this information about Crouch hating black woman? I'd like to know; because of all the things that he's written I've never got that impression. Granted he does not like the fiction of Toni Morrison , but that's an opinion he is allowed to have, I hope. |
Ssssssss
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 12:28 pm: |
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Let me tell you something. Stanley Crouch wrote an essay during the O. J. Simpson trial for the L.A. Times (this is before 9 black women let O.J. get off)...where he viciously attacked black women and claimed that he just knew that having all them BLACK women on the jury...would be O.J.'s doom. Them women was gone send O.J. to his death!! According to Crouch's article.
During interviews on The Charlie Rose Show and in SO MANY books he's written...not just his lima-bean brained attacks on Toni Morrison, but in countless books that he wrote...he ALWAYS expresses his proud "detachment" from black women and his "All-American" disregard for them. I wasn't the least bit surprised when he came out with that novel featuring the White man's queen yet again. Stupid black men are hopeless.
Like so many black women, I can't stand that fat ugly slug. If I ever met him I'd pour salt all over his head and wait for him to melt.
Put his crusty behind right in the barrel with Bryant Gumble, John Edgar Wideman, Montel Williams, O.J., Sidney Poitier, Ward Connerly, Clarence Thomas, Shelby Steel, Thomas Sowell, Armstrong Williams.
I could fix me a picnic basket and sit crosslegged (like an INDIAN!) at the lynching ceremony for these worthless n.....s
Despise Stanley Crouch. Cain't stand him.
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ABM
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 01:19 pm: |
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I don't know if the irascible Stanley Crouch hates sistahs or not. But Crouch often strikes me as 1 of those brothahs who were likely the first guys killed during a race riot, because they foolishly believed they could cleverly persuade "good white folks" not to hang 'em. |
ABM
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 02:17 pm: |
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Snake (Bite),
Simmer down. Don't let Crouch's anti-sistah gibberish bother you. Anyone can see that dude is probably still salty that, because of that strange puss of his, he couldn't get a lotta P-play from you honies when he was coming up. |
Troy
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 03:37 pm: |
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Two year ago, at the Harlem Book Fair, I saw Crouh sporting a sister and she was problem the finest, classiest looking sister I saw that day -- and I saw hundreds and hundres of sisters that day.
I find Crouch a very entertaining speaker. If you take everything they say seriously you will be hurt, or angered and fail to enjoy the message or learn form what he has to say. I don't agree with everything he has to say -- but I can say that for virtually everyone -- even myself from time to time.
Snake (Sista):
You put Stanley Crouch, Bryant Gumble, John Edgar Wideman, Montel Williams, O.J., Sidney Poitier, Ward Connerly, Clarence Thomas, Shelby Steel, Thomas Sowell, and Armstrong Williams in the same category?
They are all very differnt people. Do you hate them for the same reason? If so what is it?
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Snake Girl
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 05:13 pm: |
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I hate all those men, Troy, for different reasons. But the overall one remains...they're the WORST that our race ever created and they're only put on pedestals because they each help to tear our people down.
I don't have time to list the reasons why I despise each and every one of them.
MEN I LIKE:
Quincy Jones
Malcolm X
Spike Lee
Tupac Shakur
Denzel Washington
Ex Mayor Denkins
Kalamu Ya Salaam
ABM
Kevin Powell
James Brown (sportscaster)
Magic Johnson
Vernon Jordan
Colin Powell
Eric Micheal Dyson
Ed Gordan at BET
Earl Cox (publisher)
Third World Press Publisher
President Mugabe
Miles Davis
John Coltrane
John Amos
Lawrence Fishburne
The Roots
I like REAL black men. I don't like niggers.
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Cynique
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 07:01 pm: |
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Snake Girl, are you so narrow-minded as to use whether a man is married to a white women as your sole criteria for judging his worth? You lose your credibility by letting your emotion influence your opinon on this subject. |
Susan
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 07:24 pm: |
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Troy, it appears all those names listed are men who are or were involved with /married to a white female.
I see who most of these conversations on the board are so circular...people just won't be forthright and honest.
Susan |
Snake Girl
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 08:02 pm: |
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Excuse me....
I lo000ve Quincy Jones, Herbie Hancock, Ving Rhames, Billy Dee Williams, Richard Pryor, Derek Luke, Taye Diggs.
They're all married to White or non-black women.
I am totally confused here.
What's up with Cynique and Susan jumping to conclusions? EXPLAIN PLEASE.
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Cynique
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Snake Girl: You explain why you love these men who have violated what is a cardinal rule of yours: A brotha marrying a white woman in preference to a black one? |
Sssssss
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 08:30 pm: |
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Cynique--
That "cardinal rule" is not a rule of mines. You continue to ignore my posts and be totally ignorant.
My brother, Cecil, who I love dearly is married to a WONDERFUL white woman. I just named for you several Black male celebrities that I LOOOVE who are married to white or non-black women.
WHAT....darl'n...are you talking about?
You sound like a witch. Just admitt you're wrong and look at all the men that I did say I hated (most are conservative republicans, for one thing--many have sold out the community in millions of ways)...and then..by the way... WHAT IF I DID hate them for being married to White women?
THen what?
You really need to put yourself in perspective and READ what I said and stop putting words in my mouth.
CAUSE I L LOOOOOOOVEEEE me some Quincy Jones, Herbie Hancock, Richard Pryor, Derek Luke, Taye Diggs, Ving Rhames, BILLY DEE...absolutely love those good black men who STAND UP for the black community, irrespective of who they chose to love.
It ain't about that...but you jumped to a conclusion, and worse, you and Susan unfairly made accusations that were unfounded. Which is yalls stock in trade.
Now excuse me while I go have a pigfoot and a bottle of beer.
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Snake Girl
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 08:32 pm: |
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ONCE AGAIN:
CAUSE I L LOOOOOOOVEEEE me some Quincy Jones, Herbie Hancock, Richard Pryor, Derek Luke, Taye Diggs, Ving Rhames, BILLY DEE...absolutely love those good black men who STAND UP for the black community, irrespective of who they chose to love.
As long as you stay down with black folks--I don't care what color woman you marry. The kids gone be black anyway.
Cynique, you tripp'n girl. And Susan need to GET tripped.
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Home Girl
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 11:13 pm: |
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Snake Girl
Just curious, what's your gripe with Kalamu Ya Salaam? |
Cynique
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 11:50 pm: |
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There you go with the name calling, Kola, - oops I mean "Snake Girl". Give it a rest. |
Snake Girl Poisonous
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Kalamu Ya Salaam is on my list of MEN I LIKE, Home Girl. He's not on my hate list.
AGAIN READ
MEN I LIKE:
Quincy Jones
Malcolm X
Spike Lee
Tupac Shakur
Denzel Washington
Ex Mayor Denkins
Kalamu Ya Salaam
ABM
Kevin Powell
James Brown (sportscaster)
Magic Johnson
Vernon Jordan
Colin Powell
Eric Micheal Dyson
Ed Gordan at BET
Earl Cox (publisher)
Third World Press Publisher
President Mugabe
Miles Davis
John Coltrane
John Amos
Lawrence Fishburne
The Roots
Did you get it this time Home Girl?
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Snake Girl Poisonous
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, May 23, 2003 - 12:06 am: |
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Cynique--you have a lot of nerve. You made a really ignorant and vicious allegation and then had the nerve to complain about be called a name.
What name was it?
My name, by the way, is Dolores Morris.
Please stop calling me Kola--although, after HER being the Topselling Author on this web site for the entire year of 2002--it doesn't surprise me that SOME of us here actually like her and try to keep her spirit with us. She wouldn't have been #1 for the entire year, Cynique, unless people CAME HERE TO AALBC.COM to buy her book (before it was banned).
Oh...and by the way. I was glad to hear that the United Nations confirmed Kola's claims that a fatwa death sentence is on her head. I don't see how ANYBODY's gonna dispute the United Nations now that they got the darn Sharia Court Order in their own hands and read it on the floor of the U.N.
God bless U Cynique. And please--know what you talking about.
I agreed with much she had to say. A woman after my own heart.
Cynique--you really should get a gri |
Home Girl
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, May 23, 2003 - 12:10 am: |
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Hi Snake
Sorry did not read as carefully as I should have.
----That's how lies get started. Thanks for the correction/clarification. Enjoy your post, really cracked up over the pigs feet and beer.
Peace |
Sssssss
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, May 23, 2003 - 12:29 am: |
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CYNIQUE, MY LOVE:
Claxton, I'm Dolores Morris in Brooklyn.
But I make my money stripping as "Snake Girl". I wrap a python around me after I dance.
Good money, good security. The White Rabbitt is a nice place to work. Good tips.
In daytime...I'm a receptionist for a MAJOR publishing house.
Cynique and that Susan woman keep accusing me of being "Kola"...but naw...I'm just a fan of Kola's who decided to step in.
So now you know me.
Thanks for being nice.
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Cynique
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, May 23, 2003 - 12:36 am: |
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Not that it matters, "Snakola Girl", but I don't believe you. And that, my dear, is that. Continue your charade. It ain't that serious. |
Susan
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, May 23, 2003 - 08:15 am: |
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Snake Girl, or whatever username you've given yourself, I didn't jump to any conclusions. I wrote it "appears" and it's true that all the black men that you placed Crouch in the barrel with are or were involved with white females.
For all this going around in circles, you could have listed some of your "different reasons" as to why you hate all of these black men.
But then I guess then we wouldn't have had all the dramatics and yet another opportunity for promotion for you know who. LOL
Susan |
Snake Girl Poisonous
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, May 23, 2003 - 08:24 am: |
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Susan....
Why would I hate one set of black men married to white women...and not hate a whole other dozen black men married to white women?
I'm really trying to unravel your riddles and get to the bottom of why you're ignoring the information in my posts.
Also...please stop being so condescending and confrontational. You're doing it again. What you did to Kola. Attacking.
Now it's the fans you have a problem with.
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Snake Girl
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, May 23, 2003 - 08:31 am: |
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Susan said:
Snake Girl, or whatever username you've given yourself
I say:
I BEG YOUR PARDON? Don't you also have a user name?
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Snake Girl Susan
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, May 23, 2003 - 08:32 am: |
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ONCE AGAIN (I'm posting this a 3rd time!):
CAUSE I L LOOOOOOOVEEEE me some Quincy Jones, Herbie Hancock, Richard Pryor, Derek Luke, Taye Diggs, Ving Rhames, BILLY DEE...absolutely love those good black men who STAND UP for the black community, irrespective of who they chose to love.
As long as you stay down with black folks--I don't care what color woman you marry. The kids gone be black anyway.
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Organized
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, May 23, 2003 - 08:58 am: |
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SnakeGirl, concerning your list of men that you loathe--your list is the same as mine. I pretty much dislike those same men as well. Here on my job, most of the black women I know dislike those same men.
Great list you made of the ones you adore, though. Ignore Susan and the other woman. They sound like working girls defending of their pimp. If you dislike someone, for whatever reason, that's your right, but I did notice that a lot of the men you love are married to white women. Ignore them.
BTW--I bought Kola's book here, too. Loved it. Too bad it's out of print now.
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Chris Hayden
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Snake Girl:
Give it some time (on the identity tip) For a long time folks (not me of course. harumph! harumph! harumph!) thought that Troy and Thumper were the same person and folk wondered if Kola were a real person. I think it is the nature of this medium wherein you cannot see the person you are communicating with.
I mean, is Chris Hayden a real person, or some gestalt identity, some name that several people might use to post here. Or better yet, is he some AI programmed to make certain responses to topics--haven't any of you wondered why I never seem to start any threads but just chime in (heeeheeheeehee--laughs real scary I'm in the middle of writing a horror story and the elements are beginning to leak over into my real life) |
The Real Snake
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Snake Girl
Take a minute and reread all of your post again, If you still think you are not Kola, seek help. It's not just the way your write, it's you.
Susan & Cynique
Why are you'll wasting your time? A snake will alway show his/her true color. Just give them time.
Peace
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Comstock Bridge
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Great points, Chris.
Whether Snake Girl is Kola or whomever, I'm totally digg'n her posts.
Don't see what the sticks n stones is for. I thought Thumper wuz T.J. What's up with that not being the case?
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Cynique
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Yes, ol cynical Cynique remains skeptical about "Snakola Girl", wondering how somebody who holds down a full-time job at a publishing company and works as a stripper by night seems to have so much time to inundate the board with the typically long posts that contain certain buzz words, and espouse the familiar arguments about "saving our babies" - clues that point to a "former" female poster who supposedly went into exile. LOL. But, as we all agree, it doesn't matter because all the male posters seem to be getting a charge out of it. And we do have to give this chamelon her just due for being so creative, for being able to take on these different personas. It's a tribute to her skills as an author who is apparently very good at crafting characters.
BTW, I've never thought Troy and Thumper were one in the same. They come across as 2 entirely different personalities. Where is all y'alls intuitiveness???? |
anonymous
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, May 23, 2003 - 03:24 pm: |
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Any fool can see that ABM is the creator of Snake Girl!
He always took up for Kola and said he didn't want her to leave the board, etc.
Then Snake Girl shows up and "loves" ABM. Agrees with everything he posts (which Kola used never did and never flirted with him).
That seems more plausible to me.
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ABM
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Have you READ my posts, anonymous? Do you really believe were it my intent to deceive you and others, that it is likely that I would be able to do so in a more effective fashion than that to which you mistakenly allude?
Hey! Is this my psychiatrist trying to check up on me? Come on, Dr. Spock. You never let me have any fun? |
ABM
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, May 23, 2003 - 04:03 pm: |
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anonymous &/or Eyebrow Raised,
Sounds like you are suffering from an acute case of "hateration" for what you absurdly think is going on between me, Kola and Snake (-by-the-Lake).
But let me tell you something...
"I'm the only me as far as I can see. I'm the only me as far as I can see. I'm the only me as far as I can see. I'm the only me as far as I can see."
One more time....
"I'm the only me as far as I can see...~" |
Mike Evans
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, May 24, 2003 - 08:38 am: |
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Snake Girl,
I would like to know how John Edgar Wideman wound up on your list of despised black men? He is definitely not a neo-conservative and though he was married to a white woman you say that is not the criteria you use in judging these men. Explain please. |
Snake Girl Poisonous
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John Edgar Wideman, to me, is promoting the destruction of our race by using his theory that there is NO RACE...as an excuse to not produce black children and procreate his own people.
He claims there's no such things as race (all humans are equal)...but then like the typical progeny of FORMER SLAVES (slavestock) he goes on to choose a White prototypical lifestyle (complete w/white wife and children even LESS BLACK than he was--his seed becoming weaker, as his mixed children also choose Whites...but all the while claiming that there is no such thing as "race").
IF THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS RACE...then why, Mike Evans, is everyone casually trying to breed the BLACK half of the race off the planet?
Why is WHITE the only choice that "intelligent intellectuals" can make? Why are Black PEOPLE good for sex, dancing, entertainment, good jokes--but not good enough to give birth to again.
WHY is the black man in America becoming WHITER and WHITER with each passing generation?
It's the mark of a coward and a SLAVE. A sub-idiot inferior being who curses his MASTER...but then has only one goal...which is to BECOME his master.
John Edgar Wideman, with all his RHETORIC, is just another weak punk slavestock representative who couldn't STAND UP as HIMSELF in front of the white man...his message is "infected" with the blood of self-hatred and self-denial. He's a brilliant writer (a genius writer in my opinion)...but he's little more than a modern day Booker T. Washington.
I have no respect for him, ultimately. I respect WHITE MEN MORE than him.
But I do not respect WHITE MEN more than say...
Quincy Jones (who also married white)..but who feeds the black people a positive image of themselves, one inwhich they are encouraged to embrace their BLACKNESS...Quincy is also great friends with TONS of black women--he ALWAYS dated White--but he has been there for the black community in times of need. HE writes songs to lift their spirits and he speaks well of us (as a race--a Clan). His children have gone to Africa many times and been involved with our people's true culture and heritage. They have shown respect to their ancestors by visiting Africa and being (genuinely and sincerely) respectful of the beauty and soul of REAL BLACK people--who are Human Beings--just as human as the rest of the human race.
John Edgar Wideman makes the argument that "we don't really need to exist--we could just as well be white".......and Quincy Jones make the case that "black is beautiful and is a flower/seed that is irreplaceable". He agrees with the covenent of the Kings that--"It MUST exist". The "tulat" (penis/house) and the bloodberry (river of blood--the nile/menstral cycle/harvesting African children) being the alpha and the omega as Prophet Ciisa (Jesus Christ) instructed his fellow Black Africans in the time of the Falasha festival at Napata.
I consider Wideman a glorified "nigger". Jones an "African son". The color of the wife (or husband) is not so important if the respect for Black Humanity and its rightful place in the universe remains intact (although, children get their "heritage and identity" from their mothers, for as the Ethiopian double dutch chant goes--"mothers matter a lot..fathers matter not").
SLAVESTOCK (whether they reside in Africa or the U.S. or Germany or Brazil) never understand this--because they're disconnected and LOST.
Does that answer your question?
**Now don't ask me anything else, because race is a subject I don't like discussing with people who can only speak ENGLISH.
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Ssssss
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Moral of my message:
"If you really are black folk...then GET blacker."
Stay black and LIVE.
Get some self-respect for your people.
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Sese
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An Observation
That Kola & Snake have stong opinions (as most posters)is their single common denominator. Otherwise they appear as separate enties evidenced by the following observations:
STYLE-manner of thoughts inn language that expresses individuality.
Kola'sost appear more focused/organized & attempts to persuade by reasoning from an historiical & world view of issues.
Snake's post appear more terse and flippant (with some exceptions). She presents her opinion without an effort to persuade.
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TONE-the quality of thought in which the writer invites the reader to share their attitude and point of view.
Kola's tone is more conciliatory if the reader will examine and accept current issues from her historical, personal and world view perspective.
SNAKE's tone is, I don't care what you think, this is my opinion, take it or leave it. Snake appears not to seek approval, agreement or persuade, such as Kola.
Much more could be said, but it's more than I want to chew---hope that I said enough for you to follow my line of thinking. |
Anonymous
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Sese what make you think that the reason Snake girl acted a little different than Kola was to throw people off so they wouldn't figure out they were the same person. You probably Kola yourself. |
Thumper
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Hello All,
Anonymous: Although I agree with you on the Snake Girl true identity, I have to disagree with you on Sese's identity. Sese is a real person who has been visiting the discussion board for years. Way before Kola. Sese even did me a great favor by sending me a Frank Yerby novel, the only Yerby book that I've been able to get my hands on. Sese is the real thing.
Sese: How have you been doing? *big smile* Long time no see!! What have you been reading lately? |
Sese
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Hi Thumper! All is well, still lurking in the shadows of AALBC. My reading, these days, is limited to short stories and audio--whatever is available at the library. Don't enjoy novels any more, but stay informed about AA lit. through AALBC. In Feb. ordered through AALBC, Louis Edwards, Oscar Wilde Disc9vers America & N-a novel thought it would interest me, but have not rread a single word. Have you read either of these books?
Interesting that you mentioned Yerby. Several months ago saw one of his novel during one of my forays into a thrift store. Didnt buy it because I don't collect anymore and did not know anyone who might appreciate it. Sorry I did not think of you, will remember the next time. Have seen only 3-4 books by AA's during my forays, dont know why I still go through old books.
Sese |
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