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Ferociouskitty
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Username: Ferociouskitty
Post Number: 564
Registered: 02-2008
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, January 25, 2009 - 04:58 pm: | 
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There's a Salon.com article about Chris Rock's latest project, "Good Hair", which brings to mind Lisa Jones's Bulletproof Diva: Tales of Race, Sex, and Hair. An excerpt:
PARK CITY, Utah -- According to the story that comedian Chris Rock tells at the beginning of "Good Hair," the documentary he produced, co-wrote and narrates that premiered here this week, his young daughter Lola came inside from playing one day and asked him, "Daddy, why don't I have good hair?" That question launched Rock and director Jeff Stilson on a nearly global inquiry into the meaning and history -- not to mention the prodigious financial significance -- of hair in the African-American community.
The rest of the article and the interview audio is here:
http://www.salon.com/ent/movies/btm/feature/2009/01/24/chris_rock/ |
Serenasailor
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Post Number: 1873
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 26, 2009 - 12:00 am: |
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I wondern about how Chris Rock must feel being the father of two dark-skinned daughters. Especially in an industry that put so much emphasis on the way ppl look. Also when Black women are so harshly judged on skin tone and hair texture. |
Mochascafe
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Username: Mochascafe
Post Number: 123
Registered: 08-2007
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2009 - 09:24 pm: |
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He sure did marry someone with "Good Hair"... is he suprised his daughters did not come out the same way? I am confused.
He really goes in depth with this saying that Hair is a 9 million dollar a year industry. As long as women look at him, his wife, forest whitaker, Will Smith, Baby face (though now divorced) and think that this is the standard they have to live by or this is the look they have to portray themselves then it will continue to be a multi million dollar industry.
Now I am not knocking hair, I have worn my fair share and will do it again if the mood hits me, its just interesting that a man like Chris has done this documentary.
It would have rung more authentic if someone like Denzel who married Paula did this, even the old stick in the mud Republican Joseph C. Phillips wife has a natural afro. |
Carey
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Username: Carey
Post Number: 1599
Registered: 05-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2009 - 10:24 pm: |
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Hello
I don't know, Mocha Mint. It's a documentary, thus, he's not taking a position. He's a comedian and therefore is (I assume) looking at it from a comic view. You have to admit that looking back at some of the hair styles and "burnings" we used to go through, is funny. When I look at my old jerry curl pictures I can't do nothing but laugh.
I have not seen the documentary, maybe you have and there are justified in your opinion.
I don't know if it's fair to look at a man's mate and then determine what type of man he is. |
Kola_boof
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Username: Kola_boof
Post Number: 4931
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 3 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - 02:10 am: |
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Only a "MALE", Carey, could think
this is funny.
That girl's ENTIRE LIFE rests on
the texture of her hair because
she is "female" and we can
accept "THE PROOF (African hair)"
on boys but not girls.
Black Girls must hide/straighten/
obliterate
and curse the hair God gave us.
For Chris Rock's daughter...
There are all kinds of doors that
will be 'kinda shut/hard to open'
depending on how she reacts to
having African hair
--not to mention the polite
Non-acknowledgement and dismissal
that she will receive from the
"majority" of Black men in this
country based solely on her hair
texture and the fact that her skin's not
Beyonce's color.
Men who look like her precious daddy
Chris Rock are not as likely to be
interested in her--
as they are the MONEY she gets
from her daddy.
And her "good hair" Mama is probably
already telling her how she'll have
to "marry a light skinned boy."
(**I remember losing my virginity
to that SUPER-LIGHT SKINNED BOY from
Howard University (my English tutor)
and how to me---he was a White Man.
But then everybody in D.C. wanted me
to be with him, yet they told us not
to let any "White men" touch us.
It was EXTREMELY confusing.
And tragic for African people.)
I also remember the enormous
DEGRADATION I felt when my Black
American mother first forced me
to start straightening my hair.
In 1979, I had never seen Black women
with straight hair.
(And remember--we don't consider
women like Lena Horne black in Africa,
so I'm talking Black women).
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Gingerbronze
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Username: Gingerbronze
Post Number: 4
Registered: 01-2009
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - 06:01 pm: |
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Kola, check your email when you get a moment. Thanks. |
Ntfs_encryption
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Username: Ntfs_encryption
Post Number: 3529
Registered: 10-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - 08:40 pm: |
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”here's a Salon.com article about Chris Rock's latest project, "Good Hair",…..”
Well, let’s see that he comes up with. Sounds like an interesting project. This whole subject of hair for black women is ultra sensitive subject. No doubt. I guess the results or I should say conclusion should prove to be interesting as I noted. Nice post.
”-- not to mention the prodigious financial significance -- of hair in the African-American community.”
Ya got that right! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! |
Yvettep
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Post Number: 3390
Registered: 01-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - 09:02 pm: |
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FK, looks like an interesting documentary--thanks for posting the article. I have to admit to having a love-hate stance toward Rock. As of late, though, his sharp intelligence and thoughtfulness has started to come through. Perhaps it is an age/maturity thing. For example, his comments on The Blacklist were spot on. |
Ntfs_encryption
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Username: Ntfs_encryption
Post Number: 3533
Registered: 10-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - 09:09 pm: |
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"And remember--we don't consider women like Lena Horne black in Africa,so I'm talking Black women."
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Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 13447
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 29, 2009 - 12:04 am: |
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Who needs "good" hair or big boobs anymore? They are both for sale.
Chris Rock has evolved. He's become a more astute observer of black culture than Richard Pryor, and has more edge and honesty than Bill Cosby. He belongs right up there with satirists like the late George Carlin. |
Ferociouskitty
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Username: Ferociouskitty
Post Number: 575
Registered: 02-2008
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 29, 2009 - 08:20 am: |
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Cynique: Chris Rock does appear to be transitioning. On the one hand you have this documentary; on the other you have his most recent concert (HBO?) in which his apparent contempt for black women is simply unbound. He left quite a few of us shaking our heads.
Even still, he has come a long way, and definitely is more honest than a lot of comics.
In other news...what happened to Eddie Murphy??? |
Cynique
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Post Number: 13449
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 29, 2009 - 11:59 am: |
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I've watched Chris' latest stand-up routine. It is brutal. But it seems to me that his mysogyny is laced with a vulnerability that leaves him with feelings of being victimized by women and castrated by marriage. |
Ntfs_encryption
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Username: Ntfs_encryption
Post Number: 3535
Registered: 10-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 29, 2009 - 12:58 pm: |
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"......on the other you have his most recent concert (HBO?) in which his apparent contempt for black women is simply unbound. He left quite a few of us shaking our heads."
Whoooaaaaaa!!!! Hold on! Was it female contempt and border line misogyny or was it sexually politically incorrect jokes and commentary (see Andrew "Dice" Clay) rooted in truth? There is a difference. I'm just askin' because I did not see the stand up routine. |
Ferociouskitty
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Post Number: 578
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 29, 2009 - 01:14 pm: |
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Was it female contempt and border line misogyny or was it sexually politically incorrect jokes and commentary (see Andrew "Dice" Clay) rooted in truth?
Good question, NTFS. Of course it's all subjective, but I think it was the former more so than the latter. That said, I can't write him off as a misogynist. But at the same time, take that with a grain of salt because I'm also not easily offended. It just seemed like some black woman/women had reeeeeeeeeeeeally pissed him off.
Now believe me, I still laughed at a lot of what he had to say...but some of it was more...bitter?...than the rest. It just seemed like more "gutter" humor than what I'm used to hearing from him. Raunchy, smart, biting, and incisive...that's what I'm used to from CR. This new concert--parts of it anyway--was just...nasty and harsh, which I feel like anyone is capable of. It takes a smart comic to make the same exact points without resorting to the gutter. And CR is quite the smart comic.
Hard to use the Andrew Dice Clay comparison because I never found him funny to begin with, and not because of his content of his schtick. He just wasn't funny...to me. |
Ferociouskitty
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Username: Ferociouskitty
Post Number: 579
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 29, 2009 - 01:15 pm: |
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But it seems to me that his mysogyny is laced with a vulnerability that leaves him with feelings of being victimized by women and castrated by marriage.
What she said. |
Serenasailor
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Post Number: 1878
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 29, 2009 - 06:06 pm: |
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I didn't know Chris Rock's wife had "Good hair". All I see her with is "Good" weaves. |
Ntfs_encryption
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Username: Ntfs_encryption
Post Number: 3537
Registered: 10-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 29, 2009 - 06:23 pm: |
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"I didn't know Chris Rock's wife had "Good hair".
Of course you didn't. There is no such thing (good hair). |
Serenasailor
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Votes: 3 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 29, 2009 - 07:05 pm: |
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Oh really NTFS!! You mean the very thing that many of your Black male counterparts won't date a Black woman over or refuse to date Black women over doesn't exist?
That's laughable!!! |
Ntfs_encryption
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Username: Ntfs_encryption
Post Number: 3538
Registered: 10-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 29, 2009 - 07:54 pm: |
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”Oh really NTFS!! You mean the very thing that many of your Black male counterparts won't date a Black woman over or refuse to date Black women over doesn't exist?”
I have no idea what you are talking about. I have never heard (nor have I said) any of my friends say they would not or could not date a black woman because of the natural genetics of her hair. And you never heard me say that. Are you sure this is meant for me? I simply stated I didn’t believe in such a specious concept as “good hair”.
”That's laughable!!!”
Ya got that right! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! |
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