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Troy
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Username: Troy
Post Number: 1580
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, November 03, 2008 - 09:54 pm: | 
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Almost two years ago I annouced I would be voting for Barack Obama (http://www.thumperscorner.com/discus/messages/23046/23012.html).
I engaged in hyperbole simply because I wanted it to be crystal clear that I was voting for him because he was a Black man.
I should have taken the moral high road and talked about his qualifications, but I knew, in my heart, if Obama were running against a white man with identical qualifications I would have voted for Obama.
Some see this as racist, I see it as a change for the better.
There are some Black folks who see a McCain-Palin as a better choice, and will cast their vote in hopes of seeing those two in the white house.
Still other Black folks will cast their vote for Obama begrudgingly, if they vote at all... |
Ntfs_encryption
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Username: Ntfs_encryption
Post Number: 3468
Registered: 10-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, November 04, 2008 - 09:52 am: |
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”I engaged in hyperbole simply because I wanted it to be crystal clear that I was voting for him because he was a Black man.”
Troy, although I did not share your view, I understood your sentiments for wanting to do so given our history. I personally would not vote for someone because (and only because) they are black. Blacks made a monumental disastrous mistake by supporting Clarence Thomas. As it turns out, this man is no better than Robert Bork. If Alan Keyes or Ward Connerly ran for office -I could never bring myself to vote for either.
”I should have taken the moral high road and talked about his qualifications, but I knew, in my heart, if Obama were running against a white man with identical qualifications I would have voted for Obama.”.
Understood. I would do the same also. And for the record, I’m not an Obamaite –I’m voting for change. I see him as see any other politician. They all talk the talk but very few deliver on their election hyperbole and promises. But the possibility of a black man being president is historical and exciting. I do like that.
”Some see this as racist, I see it as a change for the better.”
Well, there are plenty of people voting against Obama simply because he is black. So I would not suffer from any moral conniptions. |
Troy
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Username: Troy
Post Number: 1582
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, November 04, 2008 - 11:41 am: |
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Why is the voting proces so G-D antiquated. I mean come on?! But I digresss...
Ntfs_encryption, truth be told I'm not an Obamanite either. Of course their are folks voing against Obama because he is Black. It is the Black folks that are doing this that I have a problem with -- I expect that from ignorant white folks.
Trust me, despite my diatribe, I would not vote for just any Black man. Simply because he was Black. But there has not be another candidate that I can think of that I would have voted for ahead of Obama.
Only time will tell if my opinion of Obama is warranted.
What the Obama presidency signals to me is that we as a country have reached a milestone, a significant one, in which we are willing to choose a Black family to represent our country.
I'm not sure people really appreciate how big this is. The racists who are voting aganst Obama, because he is Black, will be shown to be in an inconsequential minority.
I have NEVER seen so many people waiting to vote in my district before. I was at the poll at 6:45AM and had to wait over an hour. I've never had to wait before -- not even for the democratic primary.
I was in the line with millionares, and folks who did not work. The were white people and Black, actors and musicians, teachers, transit workers, even a neighborhood drunks -- people of all walks of life. Obama has energized the electorate. Not becasuse he is a policitican promising change (they all do that), but because he is a credible, accomplished, BLACK man promising change.
People have high expectations I hope he will live up to them.
By the way, I never for one moment, entertained the thought that Obama might lose. He ran a brilliant campaign. I believe he will run his office in a similar fashion.
Again only time will tell.... |
Troy
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Username: Troy
Post Number: 1584
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, November 04, 2008 - 11:15 pm: |
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Looks like I was not only one who voted for Obama!
It is Obamamania here in Harlem. I can hear people yelling outside. |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 10215
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, November 06, 2008 - 02:41 pm: |
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Ntfs,
This whole notion of Black foks voting for Obama solely because he was Black was and is malarky from the giddy up.
First of all, when the Democratic primary started, the MAJORITY of Black foks supported Hillary Clinton. Hell, I recall Black women in particular at some point favoring Hillary over Barack 3:1. It was our SEEING how the man handled himself, hearing his speeches, his explaining why he was against the Iraq War, etc. that turned us.
Moreover, how many Black foks voted for and supported Al Sharpton and Carol Mosely-Braun in the 2004 Democractic primary. I doubt that both of them COMBINED scored more than 10% of the Black vote.
I really resent the LIE that Black people only supported Barack because he's (at least partially) Black. That's one of those fool remarks that detractors (and mostly haters) make to try to disguise the FACT that Obama & Co. waged a hellifed campaigns and committed one of very BEST fetes in American political history. |
Carey
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Username: Carey
Post Number: 1332
Registered: 05-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, November 06, 2008 - 03:05 pm: |
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Very well said, ABM! He was the best MAN for the job....period.
We, as a race have seen many "Magicians", Con-men, "Three Card Molly Men", flash and dash...talk to me baby, men, white and black. If anything, we are on guard against our own race because we've been there. a person has to bring something better than the color of their skin.
Of course, the other side made it a no-brainer yet for many blacks it wasn't about his color, heck, if it was, then why did millions of whites vote for him....yeah, why?
The implication that we are a mindless bunch of fools, pisses me off. |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 13018
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, November 06, 2008 - 03:06 pm: |
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I was initally leaning toward Hillary Clinton, and when she was eliminated, I went along with Barak because he was a black man! But me and a lot of other folks had problems with him all through the ensuing campaign because he was too restrained, not rebutting his oppopnents false accusation or pointing out their inconsistencies, as if he was afraid to come across as an angry black man.
Barak Obama got 98 per cent of the black vote, and these rank and file supporters didn't know or care anything about the issues or his stand on them. All that mattered was that he was an acceptable black brotha, preferable to 2 lame white people!
Bottom line is that, unlike McCain's campaign which was run by inept white people, Barak's bid for the presidency was a "feat" executed by smart white people. |
Carey
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Username: Carey
Post Number: 1333
Registered: 05-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, November 06, 2008 - 03:18 pm: |
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Cynique, it's not the bottom line!
You insist on saying "all that mattered was that he was an acceptable black brotha". Why can't you say he is an extraordary black brotha. I can not even say that McCain's camp was run by inept white people. You can't turn a Pinto into a Cadilac. Now that's the bottom line.
Why do some continue to try to find a reason for Obama's victory other than the truth.
I know, I know, it's hard seeing others pop their collars while your eating crow. |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 13019
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, November 06, 2008 - 03:38 pm: |
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 "Truth?" You can't handle the truth unless of course it's YOUR version of it, Carey. Can you comprehend that there's no contradiction between a black brotha being extraordinary and acceptable?? I referred to him as being restrained, implying that he wasn't being his true dynamic self.
And all the political pundits agree that McCain ill-advisedly abandoned his integrity in order to appeal to base of people he needed to win, and this included going along with Sarah Palin as his VP when he really wanted someone else.
And you're just suckin up to ABM because he attacked your nemesis NTFS who I, incidentally, adore! 
And what's with this eatin crow?? Puleeze. Just some more of your putting your spin on things. I don't know how many times I said on this board that I hoped I'd be wrong about Obama losing. Or was it him I was worried about, it was white America's ability to transcend race. I'm certainly not disappointed that he did win - even if he is now the captive of his success. |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 10217
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, November 06, 2008 - 04:18 pm: |
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Carey: "We, as a race have seen many "Magicians", Con-men, "Three Card Molly Men", flash and dash...talk to me baby, men, white and black. If anything, we are on guard against our own race because we've been there. a person has to bring something better than the color of their skin."
EXACTLY! And that largely why many Black foks were lukewarm to Obama. You all who didn't know much about him had reason for pause. Where it got crazy for me was when many Black foks - some of who did so on the very website, though, thank the LAWD they eventually found Jeezus!!! - attributed sheht the man that was totally ANTITHETICAL to his statements, history, voting record, etc. THAT'S when it seem the crabbarrelling kneegrow, Clintonian bootlicking/a$skissing was in full effect.
"The implication that we are a mindless bunch of fools, pisses me off."
Well, I've tried to just view this as being what haters do. When they're getting their tails kicked in all they have left to resort to are lies (either via fact or omission), ad hominem attacts and baseless innuendo.
No. The TRUE mindless bunch of fools are all the idiots who backed Bush, Cheney & Company to the point of their almost singlehandedly ruining the entire country.
THOSE are the dumb sumb*tches who are due some free, government-sponsored lobotomies. |
Urban_scribe
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Username: Urban_scribe
Post Number: 706
Registered: 05-2006
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, November 06, 2008 - 06:37 pm: |
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Some say Obama was destined to become president. According to the New England Historic Genealogical Society, founded in 1845, the oldest and largest non-profit genealogical organization in the United States, via his mother's side, Barack Obama is a distant blood relative of:
Winston Churchill
General Robert E. Lee
President Gerald Ford
President Lyndon Johnson
President Harry S. Truman
President James Madison
Vice President Dick Cheney
and surprise, surprise...
President George W. Bush
(Obama is also related to actor Brad Pitt, who was a big time Obama supporter).
There was a report today on a news radio show I sometimes listen to that yesterday, Dubya called his 10th cousin once removed, Obama, to congratulate him. Dubya was quoted as saying to Obama, "Have fun, cousin." If Dubya really said that, I don't know, but that's what was reported.
A big deal was made of Obama's illustrious White lineage on said news radio station. At the same time, a mockery was made of reports that Obama's African grandmother was in Kenya slaughtering cows in a ritual ceremony, celebrating her grandson winning the presidential election. It was also pointed out that Obama's late African father, Barack Obama Sr, had abandoned him as a child, and Obama was raised by his White mother, his White grandparents, (his grandmother passed away two days before he was elected the 44th POTUS), and his Hawaiian step-father.
From my perspective, on November 5, the day after the election, such a big deal was made of Obama becoming the nation's first Black president. (we overcame, racism is officially dead in America, yadda, yadda, yadda). Now today, November 6, it seems that an even bigger deal is being made of how Black Obama isn't. I guess it's an attempt to soothe the 57% of Whites who did not vote for Obama. I also believe it's a despicable attempt to subtly suggest that it is Obama's White heritage that makes him great. Apparently, the 96% of Blacks who elected him feel differently. Anyhowway, I digress...
Obama voters breakdown by race/ethnicity:
96% Black
66% Latino
63% Asian
43% White
Obama voters breakdown by age:
18-24 - 68%
25-29 - 69%
30-35 - 57%
35-45 - 53%
45-55 - 49%
55-65 - 48%
65+ - 44%
Obama voters breakdown by gender:
49% Male
56% Female
72% of first-time voters voted for Obama, and 84% of Democrats voted for Obama.
On a personal note, I'm most impressed by the young voter turnout - those under 30. I'm proud to say that my son, who turned 18 in August, was amongst them. And yes, he voted for Obama. Who says this generation is lost? If they are, apparently they found themselves en route to the election polls, and made their voices heard. Mad props to them! And I, who previously swore up, down and in between that I wouldn't vote in this election, sashayed to the polls and voted afterall - for Obama. For one reason and one reason only: my son bribed me with cannolis. ;-)
Truthfully, though, in the end, I decided a 72-year-old stroke victim/warmonger and an unqualified former beauty queen/religious nut does not a presidential ticket make. That and, uhm, First Lady Michelle Obama, was wearing that dress! I'm a woman, all woman - believe that - and the sistah looked good to me. And could their daughters get any cuter? Such poised little ladies they raised. And finally, I voted for President Obama because he IS qualified. Now let's hope he'll be effective, and not prove to be merely the less of two evils or a paper tiger.
(sources: CNN, Politico, electoral-vote.com, The New York Times, and Political Wire) |
Urban_scribe
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Post Number: 707
Registered: 05-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, November 06, 2008 - 06:48 pm: |
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correction:
36-45 - 53%
46-55 - 49%
56-64 - 48%
65+ - 44% |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 13021
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, November 06, 2008 - 10:49 pm: |
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Hi Urban Scribe! Glad to see that you have not completely abandoned us.
I recently read that Obama's astrological chart is currently configured in a significant way with certain planets rising in his sign (Leo), and that this pattern hasn't appeared in the sky since the period of time during which the U.S. Constitution was being written... |
Carey
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Username: Carey
Post Number: 1334
Registered: 05-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, November 06, 2008 - 11:23 pm: |
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It's true, there is no contradiction between a brotha being acceptable and extraordinary. But you're not fooling anyone. Please, the words ARE NOT the same and NOT interchangeable. Look, the word acceptable can be viewed as "just okay" ....we'll take it. Extraordinary says, above and beyond.
I wasn't speaking to you about eating crow but since you stood up......
I didn't know who you were riding with. I hadn't noticed. Come to think of it I thought you were riding the fence.
I know you didn't say "political pundits"?!?!
I know you wish you didn't say that.
But anyway, what you refuse to say is Obama was the best man for the job. Did the political pundits say that?
So now I am on ABM jock because....what silly mess did you say. I personally do not have a thang with anyone. If it appears I disagree with someone on a regular basis it's becasue I differ with them on the issues. So you adore ol'boy, that's cool, probably makes him feel good. |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 13024
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, November 07, 2008 - 01:18 am: |
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The words you refer to can be interchangeable, Carey. An extraordinary man is acceptable man - certainly not unacceptable one. We really don't want to get into semantics. "Extraordinary" is, after all, something that is not ordinary and being bad is also an example of not being ordinary.
"I know, I know, it's hard seeing others pop their collars while your eating crow" is what you wrote. Who were you referring to when you said this in a post directed to me???
Furthermore, I don't have an obligation to prove to YOU or any one else that I think that Obama is accomplished. But the fact of the matter is is that me and all the pundits are quite aware of how obvious Obama's excellence is. And I'll refer to such political pundits in a positive way any time I choose. YOU are certainly no more credible than they are. Puleeze.
And tell me how you can differ with a person on issues and not disagree with them?? And don't fret, boobie. It's OK to jock ABM. I understand.
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