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Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 7546
Registered: 07-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, October 02, 2008 - 07:00 am: | 
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Stakes high for Palin in vice presidential debate
By BETH FOUHY – 56 minutes ago
NEW YORK (AP) — Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin enters her debate Thursday with Joe Biden needing to make a strong positive impression on voters, many of whom are expressing serious doubts about her readiness.
A new AP-Gfk poll released Wednesday found that just 25 percent of likely voters believe Palin has the right experience to be president. That's down from 41 percent just after the GOP convention, when the Alaska governor made her well-received debut on the national stage.
Thursday night's debate in St. Louis gives her a chance to overcome the doubts in a 90-minute showcase, the first time most Americans outside Alaska will see her in a lengthy give-and-take session.
On the other hand, a poor performance against Biden, the Delaware senator, could cement a negative image for the rest of the campaign.
Palin has been preparing at Republican presidential candidate John McCain's retreat in Sedona, Ariz.
Biden was doing his own intensive preparation near his home in Wilmington, Del., though he went to Washington for Wednesday night's vote on the economic rescue package.
As for Palin's prospects, "the expectations are set so low for her, she could fake everyone out," said Scott Reed, who managed the presidential campaign of Republican Bob Dole in 1996.
Democrats, meanwhile, were doing what they could to dispel the notion that Palin is a sub-par debater. The Democratic National Committee e-mailed news stories to reporters describing her able performances in debates in 2006 when she was running for Alaska governor.
And Missouri Sen. Claire McCaskill, one of Obama's most prominent surrogates, tried to lower expectations for Biden on a conference call with reporters.
"My friend Joe Biden has a tendency to talk forever and sometimes say stuff that's kind of stupid," McCaskill said.
Asked to clarify her remarks, McCaskill said she meant them "affectionately."
The 90-minute televised debate was to take place at Washington University in St. Louis, with PBS anchor Gwen Ifill serving as moderator. Ifill herself has come under criticism from some conservatives because she is writing a book on blacks and politics, with a chapter on Obama.
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jKLz7PW9AGelXQRIVxIeA0-kSB9AD93I9OOG0 |
Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 7547
Registered: 07-2006
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Votes: 4 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, October 02, 2008 - 07:01 am: |
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This chick is giving ordinary folk a bad name. Here's hoping they get her ass off the national stage and ASAP! |
Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 7548
Registered: 07-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, October 02, 2008 - 07:02 am: |
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Getting popcorn… |
Yvettep
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Username: Yvettep
Post Number: 3226
Registered: 01-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, October 02, 2008 - 09:11 am: |
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Well, Tonya, pass the bag over here! |
Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 7549
Registered: 07-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, October 02, 2008 - 01:38 pm: |
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LOL, I know you'll be watching it too, Yvette. Here help yourself! |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 12902
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, October 02, 2008 - 02:11 pm: |
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I'm not watching the debate! I'll catch the highlights on the news and check out what the talking heads have to say. It's too frustrating for me to watch actual events like this because I just want to throw things at the TV screen when the debater who I favor doesn't say the right things and the idiot who I dislike gets the best of my candidate.
I now understand how people felt about Hillary Clinton. I hate Sarah Palin because she represents everything I detest. She's an ignorant hypocritical fascist geek.  |
Ferociouskitty
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Username: Ferociouskitty
Post Number: 484
Registered: 02-2008
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, October 02, 2008 - 07:56 pm: |
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I've never been much of a conspiracy theorist, but someone pointed out that Palin started wearing her hair down (as opposed to up, as before) and perhaps if it's still down tonight, she's covering an earpiece. I don't know...I don't put anything past the Republicans anymore.
Cynique, I tend to hate watching these things too. I get anxious, and my stomach gets all tied up in knots, for the same reasons you state! |
Ferociouskitty
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Username: Ferociouskitty
Post Number: 485
Registered: 02-2008
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, October 02, 2008 - 09:04 pm: |
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No earpiece!
I'm still nervous... |
Ferociouskitty
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Username: Ferociouskitty
Post Number: 486
Registered: 02-2008
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, October 02, 2008 - 09:17 pm: |
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Cynique, tune in! You have NOTHING to worry about!!! |
Carey
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Username: Carey
Post Number: 1236
Registered: 05-2004
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, October 03, 2008 - 08:48 am: |
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If anyone thought the current race was about the issue, last nights debate should clear their minds.
Debating is one thing but answering questions is another. It's clear this women would put John McCain life at risk. It's obvious she knows little about anything. None of her answers had any substance to them. She was much like a wind up doll ...she had prepared answers, she wasn't debating.
Look, this mess is real. If it's a fact that one-third of all Vice Presidents have become President, this country could be in real serious trouble if McCain wins the election. She couldn't run a vacuum cleaner. Maybe she could , she's proved she good at repeating herself. Truth be told it was embarrassing to think that this lady could some day be President of The USA.
Joe Bidens answers leaped from his heart. He didn't have to dodge the issues. She had to figure out what to say, it was in him. Great speakers are good when they feel what they are saying. Her plastic answers were filled with "should I's", should I say this or is it time to say this.
Did you notice she frequently wanted to go back. She remembered something she had been preped to say. Nothing was from her heart, she knows little. Biden let her off the hook, he should have exposed her lack of knowledge. She was playing to the hearts of American that do not "think". She was playing around in the publics "feelings" not their minds. It a good plan, it's an effective tool.
It was hard to watch, she admitted to not even being concerned with anwering the questions. I found myself holloring at the television. I can't even repeat some of the things I was saying. That wasn't a debate, that was more like a childrens Christmas program. It wasn't about what the child said, it was about getting through her lines without crying and running off the stage. |
Chrishayden
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Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 7457
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, October 03, 2008 - 10:57 am: |
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Joe Biden got his butt whipped--
But how? It was a draw?
When you have a draw with a lightweight, and you are supposed to be a heavyweight, you got beat. |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 12906
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, October 03, 2008 - 11:58 am: |
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I don't understand why the Dems have shrivelled up into wussies. They had no problem raking poor ol Hillary Clinton over the coals, but they pussy foot around Sarah Palin because they don't want to appear like bullies. I guess they figure the undecided female voters whom they are courting are too stupid to deduce that should she become president, the world leaders wouldn't defer to Sarah Palin because she's a woman.
I'm disgusted with how Obama and Biden prefer to pull their punches while the Republicans continue to hit below the belt. |
Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 7551
Registered: 07-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, October 03, 2008 - 02:20 pm: |
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She gets a Fuk-out-my-face-with-your-bullshit.
You can't just CHANGE THE TOPIC,
to EVERY SINGLE QUESTION,
and not get a Fuk-out-my-face-with-your-bullshit!!! |
Carey
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Username: Carey
Post Number: 1237
Registered: 05-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, October 03, 2008 - 05:22 pm: |
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This is a historic moment ...I totally agree with Tonya and Cyn-Cyn! EVERY SINGLE QUESTION!!!!
Now that was a white girl cry!
I too think they are playing it way to close to the vest. She had no problem trying to cut Biden, it was weak but she tried.
Tonya said it ...GET THE F.....out of here!
I am ashamed of anyone that figures that was a draw. That's just like when we where trying to break into any forms of sport or entertainment. We had to be 3 times better than....
That mess wasn't even close. Now that could depend on your measuring stick. Chris used one that the white man has been using for decades. Joe Biden was simply a standin.
I know there's such a thang as new math but nothing from nothing is still nothing. Maybe we should blame the moderator? Palin even dismissed her in front of the world.
Sickening ...down right disgusting.
Where was Chuck Burris when we needed him. I big cane should have come out and yanked her right off the stage for impersonating a debator.
Cynique called them wussie, I'd like to add Nut-less. |
Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 7567
Registered: 07-2006
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, October 04, 2008 - 03:24 am: |
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[Palin Ain't an Everywoman]
Issues Matter to Women of Color
By C. Nicole Mason
When the John McCain campaign announced Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as its pick for vice president, women and the Democrats began to seriously worry about how she might influence the outcome of the election.
Would women who felt betrayed by the alleged snub of Sen. Hillary Clinton flock to her? Would women vote for her just because she is a woman?
At the time, it seemed like a brilliant strategy. Brava McCain, I thought to myself as I listened to my friends and the media pundits try to figure out how to handle this political hot potato. Was Palin the new everywoman; the selfless mother trying to juggle a career, hockey practice, the demands of a large family and the opportunity of a lifetime? Is shattering the glass ceiling, as the GOP is framing it, more important than a person's position on the issues?
As an African American woman, I was confused by these questions and the false choice now being presented to me: Vote gender or vote issues. In both instances, I've decided Palin loses out.
Yes, Palin is a woman, but not the kind of woman I can easily identify with, nor can many other African American or Latina women. We are not hockey moms, and when our unmarried teen daughters get pregnant society and others often do not see it as a blessing. Rather, we are viewed as perpetuating negative pathologies.
So, when I turned on the television and saw Palin speak about herself as the average working mom and woman trying to juggle it all, I couldn't relate. In her, I didn't see myself, my mother, my sister or even my next-door neighbor.
On the issues, she might as well be George W. Bush as I can not tell the difference between the two. Although Palin has not spoken publicly about her positions on immigration, affirmative action, job and housing discrimination, school re-segregation, police-minority community relations and racial disparities in the criminal justice system, we know where her party stands on these important issues.
What I do know, however, is that she is socially conservative and her stated views and opinions--from supporting the war in Iraq to her views on comprehensive sex education for our country's youth--run counter to many of my deeply held values and beliefs, not to mention those of my community.
Black women, Latina black women and Latinas account for 79 percent of all reported HIV infections among 13- to 19-year-old women and 75 percent of HIV infections among 20- to 24-year-old women in the United States. We are also nearly twice as likely to be poor than white women. In short, race and class profoundly affect how African American women and Latinas understand gender and our place in society.
When I talk to my friends, many of whom are women of color, about Palin, gender is hardly the point of consideration for them; it is her positions on abortion, comprehensive sex education, the war, affirmative action and immigration that matter most to them. If Oprah Winfrey were running for vice president and had Sarah Palin's views, she wouldn't get my vote either.
Perhaps the McCain camp isn't talking to African American and Latina women when they say Palin is the average American mom and woman. If they are, they have a lot of explaining to do.
--C. Nicole Mason, Ph.D., is the executive director of the Women of Color Policy Network at the Wagner Graduate School of Public Service at New York University and senior research fellow at the National Council for Research on Women.
http://www.womensenews.org/article.cfm?aid=3738 |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 12909
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, October 05, 2008 - 01:48 pm: |
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The Republicans have now unleashed this Sarah-bytch to nip and snap at Obama's heels. She's taking the low road, while McCain stays above the fray. She is currently accusing Obama of being an unpatriotic liberal who sees the country differently from the way she and her kind do. She points out how, when Obama was doing his community organizing, he hung out with William Ayers, who is presently a college professor but who back in the 60s when Obama was in grade school, was a member of a student radical group who protested the Vietnam war by blowing up buildings.
The Republicans are really grasping at straws but their partisans are buying into this crap. This whole strategy of undermining Obama's loyalty reeks of Karl Rove who, as usual, has out-foxed the clueless Dems. |
A_womon
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Post Number: 2403
Registered: 05-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, October 05, 2008 - 02:39 pm: |
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Some seem to think that the "new" palin may have already began re-inserting her red shoes in her mouth...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081005/ap_on_el_pr/palin_s_words_analysis |
Ntfs_encryption
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Username: Ntfs_encryption
Post Number: 3431
Registered: 10-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, October 06, 2008 - 08:52 pm: |
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"The Republicans are really grasping at straws but their partisans are buying into this crap. This whole strategy of undermining Obama's loyalty reeks of Karl Rove who, as usual, has out-foxed the clueless Dems."
True. And it's amazing there are people who actually believe what she is saying (political hacks and ideologues and the generic stupid). As you have pointed out, just more shrill smearing and name calling in order to side step the real issues. It's cheap shots at Obama and desperate attempts at deflection since Palin is less than qualified to run a soup kitchen, let alone being the VP of this country. |
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