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Chrishayden
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Campaign 2008
Bill Clinton in Denver again undercuts Obama
By Sam Youngman
Posted: 08/26/08 01:47 PM [ET]
DENVER — Bill Clinton appeared to undermine Sen. Barack Obama again Tuesday.
The former president, speaking in Denver, posed a hypothetical question in which he seemed to suggest that that the Democratic Party was making a mistake in choosing Obama as its presidential nominee.
He said: "Suppose you're a voter, and you've got candidate X and candidate Y. Candidate X agrees with you on everything, but you don't think that candidate can deliver on anything at all. Candidate Y you agree with on about half the issues, but he can deliver. Which candidate are you going to vote for?"
Then, perhaps mindful of how his off-the-cuff remarks might be taken, Clinton added after a pause: "This has nothing to do with what's going on now."
The comments are unlikely to be taken as an innocent mistake by those Democrats who continue to be angry with the former president for, they say, not supporting the Illinois senator wholeheartedly, if not implicitly undercutting him.
The controversial comments came just hours before Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.), the former first lady and principal rival to Obama, was due to speak from the convention podium.
Democrats concerned about what the former president might say when he addresses the Democratic convention Wednesday night would likely have cringed at his remarks Tuesday to a group of foreign dignitaries.
The former president talked about the importance of a politician being able to deliver on his promises following an electoral victory and how voters factor in that ability to deliver when picking their candidate.
During the contentious and at times nasty nomination battle between Clinton and Obama, the Clinton campaign repeatedly pushed the question of whether Obama, a freshman senator, had the experience or the ability to deliver on his promises if elected. Clinton, they argued, was more suited to do so.
The former president devoted much of his sometimes-rambling remarks to solving the global energy crisis and the need to address climate change.
But time and again he returned to his great love of politics, noting that it was more than the closeness and intensity of the nomination battle between his wife and Obama that piqued his interest this year, but the "infusion of cash from small amounts by Internet donors and the explosion of blog sites."
"For those of us interested in politics, it was an endlessly fascinating process already, and it's still got some twists and turns between now and November," Clinton said.
The former president did say early in his remarks that the purpose of a party convention is to "introduce the candidate in a new and different and hopefully more positive way... [to] unify the party and [aid in] defining the battle" between the two parties.
The unifying-the-party aspect is what has many Democrats concerned about Clinton's Wednesday night remarks.
Clinton has been a media magnet throughout the year as his remarks have caused heartache and headaches to former and current supporters.
From when he called Obama's candidacy "a fairytale" to when he compared the Illinois senator's win in South Carolina to that of Rev. Jesse Jackson's, many Clinton loyalists, detractors and analysts feel that Clinton did irreparable damage to both his wife's candidacy and his legacy as president.
Now in a convention that continues to be racked with stories and questions about how unified the Democratic Party truly is, Clinton's appearance Wednesday — and his tendency to go off the teleprompter — has some Democrats very nervous.
Former Clinton aide and Democratic strategist Paul Begala, however, told The Hill that the former president is solidly behind Obama's candidacy.
"He's totally for Barack," Begala said Tuesday. "He's totally for Barack." |
Nels
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Ol' Bubba is history. |
Cynique
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Everybody says Hillary "delivered" on her speech last night. I really do think she would've made a great vice-president and an asset to the ticket. It's sad and very ironic that Bill Clinton became the albatross around her neck and the main reason she didn't get the nod. |
Nels
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Excellent view Cynique. If Bill had kept his mouth shut and if Hillary's campaign team hadn't gone racial and negative, then she might have even come out on top. I was originally a Biden fan, but after he came up short, I went for Obama. All is well so far, but we'll see. |
Chrishayden
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really do think she would've made a great vice-president and an asset to the ticket. It's sad and very ironic that Bill Clinton became the albatross around her neck and the main reason she didn't get the nod.
(You finally get it. Obama could have tolerated her in the White House, but Bill, too? Nooo. She should have divorced that idiot right after she got to be Senator. She don't need him no more and now he's a hindrance.
Everybody knows their marriage ain't about nothing.
Why pretend. |
Cynique
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I got it all along, chrishayden. I knew that the specter of Bill Clinton dimished Hillary's chances for the office of president and vice president. I also knew that she and Bill would take the high ground in defeat because it was in their best interest to do so. This is something you and people like Dick Morris apparently didn't get. Bill said all of the right things in his speech last night. |
Cynique
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The Clintons proved themselves to be loyal Democrats and although theirs is no longer a passionate union, it's obvious that there is a special bond of love and understanding between Bill and Hil. |
Chrishayden
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. Bill said all of the right things in his speech last night.
(John Gotti said all the right things at his sentencing hearing, too.
The strategy--sink Obama, get McCain in, tell the Democrats they screwed up, Hillary in 2012 (Maybe Hillary Obama if he's a good boy)
The Clintons proved themselves to be loyal Democrats and although theirs is no longer a passionate union, it's obvious that there is a special bond of love and understanding between Bill and Hil.
(You will be called to account to answer for that one on the Day of Judgment) |
Cynique
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Contrary to your conspiratorial rants, the Clinton's don't wield enough power to sink Obama. And if they are waiting in the wings for an Obama defeat, then - so what?
When it comes to judgment day, you will get an "F" for your blind hate of 2 people who frustrate you because they make you look like a delusional kook. |
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