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Disciple724
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Post Number: 22
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July 13, 2008
(The Politico) This story was written by Mike Allen.
Under another post: "Out-and-Out Racism, New Yorker Goes Loco", a discussion arose around whether the above displayed cover was a display of racism or satiric journalism.
Many sided on both sides of the debate and I deemed it so relevant that I thought it need topical space of its own . I have my opinions about the matter but for now I will reserve them.
Still it moved me to ask the following question:
Can one honestly joke about serious matters ?
Considerations: Webster New World Dictionary renders the following definition:
joke- (n)- 1 anything said or done to arouse laughter; funny anecdote; witty, amusing remark; amusing trick played on someone 2. something not meant to be taken seriously; thing done or said in fun. 3. a person or thing to be laughed at , not to be taken seriously. |
Carey
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By definition, the answer to your question I believe is yes. However, looking at the cover, are the "serious matters" the "implied" references or the cover?
1. Was it done to arouse laughter....YES
2 Was it something not meant to be taken seriously? Some would argue but again the answer is yes.
3. Was it a person or thing to be laughed at, not to be taken seriously? Again the answer is yes.
Having fit the definition, some might nevertheless argue intent. However that arguement has no validity. It could never be supported by any facts. Therefore it remains a joke. |
Disciple724
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Interesting. Are you implying that Obama is not to be taken seriously? If so why? |
Vanders
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Hey All;
Comedians joke about serious matters all the time. Some jokes are good and some are bad and for me this was a bad joke. I don't want to get to political in this discussion because my thoughts are based on my emotions and feelings. I take Obama's candidacy seriously. Peace. Vanders |
Chrishayden
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Post Number: 7198
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Sure you can joke about serious matters. You got to be careful though.
I remember this cat named Vaughn Meader who was making a mint doing routines and records lampooning the Kennedys.
Kennedy got shot and his whole career went in the toilet.
Itis timing. Actually, I did not get all upset about the New Yorker ad--but then, I'm not Obama. |
Chrishayden
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Apparently Obama don't think so
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/21/obamas-revenge-emnew-york_n_113969.html
You know, my dear sweet departed Mama, God Rest Her Soul, always told me you should never get in a pissing contest with people who own barrells of ink.
This is not the end of this. |
Cynique
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There's humor in everything. Stand up comedians and late night TV hosts have a field day ridiculing serious matters. The OJ Simpson murder trial is still a big laugh-getter.
Back during the 50s, tasteless jokes was kind of a fad. One I remember, in particular, was the one-liner: "But other than that, Mrs, Lincoln, - did you enjoy the play?"
It should come as no surprise to anyone that I like "gallows" humor.  |
Abm
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Ntfs: "George W. Bush has been the blunt of countless harsh goof characterizations (and for damn good reasons). The double standard leftists and their hypersensitive Negro counterparts will instinctively slam the race card on the table and scream foul play at any perceived slight or questioning of Obama."
It's possible to criticize Bush & Co. and/or what The New Yorker did WITHOUT being or partaking of any of what you describe. And what I find ironic about your comments is you're mostly (though, perhaps, unknowingly) doing in reverse what you accuse others of doing. |
Ntfs_encryption
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It's satire and political lampooning. George W. Bush has been the blunt of countless harsh goof characterizations (and for damn good reasons). The double standard leftists and their hypersensitive Negro counterparts will instinctively slam the race card on the table and scream foul play at any perceived slight or questioning of Obama. The editors and the artist himself stated their intention with the cover. GET OVER IT!!! Much to the angst and knee jerk sensitivity of the Obamaites, the man is not above (nor immune) criticism, mockery, satire, lampooning or hard questions about his agenda, ideas or proposals. |
Chrishayden
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GET OVER IT!!! Much to the angst and knee jerk sensitivity of the Obamaites, the man is not above (nor immune) criticism, mockery, satire, lampooning or hard questions about his agenda, ideas or proposals.
(You better tell Obama. He is apparently furious about it) |
Abm
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Ntfs,
Part of what's great about America is ONE has the Freedom of the Press to publish some bvllsht and OTHERS have the Freedom of Speech to exclaim "What you published is some bvllsht!"
Chris,
Interestingly, the MCCAIN campaign condemned The New Yorker magazine cover as well.
Are they also being psychopathic liberals? |
Cynique
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I never got the impression that Obama was up in arms about the New Yorker cover. I think he just took it in his stride. He's cool that way.
As I have argued repeatedly, unless you are bigoted enough to regard Islam as the religion of devil worshippers, then actually there's no reason to be offended by people suspecting you of being a Muslim - although as a back-sliding Unitarian I am not impressed with Obama being a Baptist.
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Ntfs_encryption
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”It's possible to criticize Bush & Co. and/or what The New Yorker did WITHOUT being or partaking of any of what you describe.”
True. But nevertheless, he is subjected to constant lampooning and criticism via non-flattering characterizations. All politicians are vulnerable and subjected to Jib Jab lampoons, jokes, covers of magazines, TV and radio spoofs, etc. Why should Obama be treated differently?
”And what I find ironic about your comments is you're mostly (though, perhaps, unknowingly) doing in reverse what you accuse others of doing.”
Not sure what you mean. My point is Obama is not above criticism or political satire. That’s all. I just find the hysterical reactions to the cover of the New Yorker to be ridiculous and unwarranted. As I stated before, all politicians are subject to various types of characterizations that run the gambit from favorable to scathing. Everyone is fair game –no sacred cows. |
Abm
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Ntfs,
Let's try to compare Apples-to-Apples here. Shall we.
Now, I don't recall Bush being similarly treated PRIOR to his being elected.
And let's recall HOW Bush got into the White House to begin with. He was essentially appointed the President by the PRO-Republican majority Supreme Court. And this was following some very questionable, if not outright ILLEGAL electoral handling that was managed in a State to which his BROTHER was governor and the State's lead electoral office was ALSO one of Bush's lead campaign officials.
And then you have ALL the subsequent violations of the Constitution, Geneva Convention, Abu Grab, Katrina and the wholesale destruction of New Orleans, wire/internet spying, maxed-out military, EXPLODING federal deficits, ASTRONOMICAL gasoline prices via a president who's from the Oil & Gas industry, etc. all of which might take us DECADES to undo, if we EVER manage to resolve them.
Regardless of one's political persuasion, there are some CLEAR and PRESENT reasons to characterize Bush in LESS than complimentary ways.
Meanwhile, Obama has yet to do ANYTHING that justifies labeling him an Islamic Radical. Hell, he's NOT even President (yet).
And I most CERTAINLY don't recall LAURA Bush EVER being made subject to the kind of ridicule that has been visited upon MICHELLE.
Have you ever witnessed any graphical lampooning of the FACT that Laura Bush 'accidently' KILLED an ex-boyfriend of hers because she 'mistakenly' ran thru a Stop sign?
If MICHELLE had THAT in her history, WTF do you think would be reported about HER? |
Cynique
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I'm still waiting for a good explanation as to why any black person who is not ashamed of his race would be insulted by the New Yorker's cover. Is portraying Micelles as an Angela Davis type an insult? Is portraying Obama as a member of another religion really a bad thing???? People who don't understand irony should stay out of this argument. IMO |
Carey
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Mr. Wizard
"Fools go where wise men tread not"
Your reply question, "are you saying, Obama is not to be taken seriously" is exactly my point.
It's NOT OBAMA!
I am going to ride with Ntsf on this one, Obama is fair game. Do they treat him differently? Of course they do. As ABM pointed out, Bush got a pass. Was it a misuse of the press/magazine? IMO, I'd say yes. Do they have a right to print what they want? Yes they do, obsolutely. Hey people, politics is war. For real, lives are on the line, look at Iraq. These people are playing to win. Obama knows what time it is. He may object, that's his job but I bet he ain't mad at them. Yes, the GOP agreed that it was tasteless. That TOO was their job. But I bet my last dollar they were throwing High Fives in the backroom. Should some cry LOW BlOW, yes and they did. But was it a joke....YES!
Okay Desciple, come on, yes Obama is to be taken seriously. Can he be the butt of a satirical joke, yes. THEN.......you CAN joke about serious matters. Is that your setup? But again my good man, from the jump; in the door; out of the gate; IT WAS meant as a joke and it still is, in more ways than one.
But, as Troy stated it could have the effect of tipping the hand of ...some. That push to get them off the fence, nuff said. |
Disciple724
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Post Number: 31
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Cynique,
You amaze me sometimes with the stuff you write. How can you be so brilliant and still not get it. Anytime someone portrays you outside of your own character, its an insult.
You are who you are, not someone else. Besides no one Black person personifies an entire race or gender.
The American Jewish community is one of the proudest ethnic group in America. Would you dare ask them the same question if someone placed one of their citizens in a similar situation? Ask Marlon Brando, and Mel Gibson how that will work out. The have an entire league dedicated to just such a thing.
In my opinion, the average African American has become so accustomed to seeing himself/herself as the butt of a so called "joke" that they've come to belief that's their role in society. We not only don't take ourselves serious, we don't take others that look like us serious, and we damn sure don't expect the White man to take us serious. As such, we instinctive go into our "step and fetch" routine entertaining the "massa" or "him just kidding".
All I can say is that I work in the Wall Street environment, and I can't speak on what they might think or say behind my back, but when they are in front of my face they better put on an Academy Award winning performance "cause I ain't no joke". |
Disciple724
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Carey Posted on Monday, July 21, 2008 - 12:19 am:
By definition, the answer to your question I believe is yes. However, looking at the cover, are the "serious matters" the "implied" references or the cover?
1. Was it done to arouse laughter....YES
2 Was it something not meant to be taken seriously? Some would argue but again the answer is yes.
3. Was it a person or thing to be laughed at, not to be taken seriously? Again the answer is yes.
Having fit the definition, some might nevertheless argue intent. However that arguement has no validity. It could never be supported by any facts. Therefore it remains a joke.
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To the points you made above.
1 ) Maybe to the black community that has been "trained" to laugh at ourselves, but what exactly is funny about that photo. What makes you laugh and why? I contend that it was done to conjure up fear and anger amongst the white liberals that might vote for him. Many Caucasians, ( not all) have mastered the art of setting someone up to fail. Now that he has made it this far, they realize that this is a serious matter.
2 ) Why do we find it hard to take a Black man serious. Even if you disagree with his political position or approach, you have to concede that he is intelligent and therefore in his position should be taken seriously. As stupid as George W. Bush is ( and he is legitimately stupid, but not as much as the Blacks that voted for him IMO) people still take him serious because of his position.
3 ) Why should he be laughed at ? I need your help here brother. I haven't bought into his politics ( neither candidate is on point IMO) but why laugh at him. Is there a latent player hater thing going on there? I guess since he is not playing ball, and he is not singing and dancing, He Must be a Comedian , Huh? |
Carey
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Hey Disciple
I say this with a smile on my face like we are standing inside the barber shop. For a man with so much intelligence you obviously was never on the track team because you are sometimes SLOW. Can't you see that Cynique ain't trying to debate with you. She will have you pulling out your hair. Wasn't you listening when she told you she was a dart thrower. I see you are trying to reach her on some common ground but it ain't going to happen. If you asked her if her name was Cynique she might say no and start talking about the Wizard of Oz. Didn't you hear her say some have their own style? Well you are right in her Wheel-House.
There are a number of good debators on Thumper's Corner. Try ABM, Ntsf, Yvette, Ferociouskitty or Troy. Others have great imput but the above have the best debate skills, imo. They are too tuff for me. I do what I do and try to keep them laughing and then pick their pockets, I mean brains. They have loads of talent. But then again, maybe you simply like to practice a little futility.
I am going to leave the Barber Shop. If you are going to stop by Cynique's, tell her I said hello. |
Carey
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Mr. Wizard
Since I consider you a great debator, I understand your approach, you defined a question but nevertheless didn't answer it yourself. Your question: "Can one obviously joke about serious matters" was YOUR question, the answer is still YES. Did you wish to or do you want to re-define your question?
You gave excellent reasons why we shouldn't "joke" about Obama and why some give Bush a pass. But please .....it was unfair to imply that I somehow thought Obama should not be look upon with the same respect as any man of similar character.
I doubt if "not taking someone serious" equates to him being a comedian. Not that I own that opinion, maybe YOUR analogy is yours.
Again, if you fill comfortable stating that "serious matters should "NOT" be joked about" SAY IT. If that's your position, then one could easily come to a conclusion than you wish to redefine satire. Oh maybe I should ask you: what is your definition of satire. Becasue I think you will be hard pressed to find anything saying it shouldn't include "serious individuals". Do you wish to give us a class or Dictionary definition on satire, jokes, what's funny or comedians?
Would you work from the premise of your opening question. OR would you like to make a different qualifying statement. Like you told Cyn-Cyn, lets work together.
Carey
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Carey
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Disciple....Con't....
Have you ever heard the expression "every closed eye ain't sleep"? Did you ever think everyone that didn't speak proper english was somehow less than you? Or that they sounded less intelligent? How about this one: Some people become their "titles". Example, Question: "what do you do" Answer: I am an accountant. Reply to the Answer: No fool that's your job!
Just a little something to think about. Maybe even laugh about. |
Disciple724
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Carey;
 Duh! Thanks man. Still, I have had a lot of things on my mind and maybe someone else will benefit; I get something out of almost every post.
on that note:
you wrote:
Carey
Posted on Monday, July 21, 2008 - 12:19 am:
Do they have a right to print what they want? Yes they do, obsolutely.
Hey people, politics is war. For real, lives are on the line, look at
Iraq. These people are playing to win.
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People do not have the right to print slander and defame someone's character; legally they can and should be held libel. Fortunately for them, they sucker punched him at a time when it is not expedient for him to fight back. That's how they get down.
Carey, it never is a "fair game". Never was, maybe never will be. Moreover, politics is not war, its law, but in this chasm of ignorance and apathy, they have been free to turn it into this.
Listen I don't expect them to play fair, and I fully expected this; it really doesn't anger or surprise me at all. I fully expected nothing less, given their nature. What I am not quite prepared for is all this latent Black hating "Massa lovin" acting like there nothing wrong with it. Today its him, tomorrow its your sons and daughters and grandchildren, and their lives are on the line too! Get it! Wake up!
We are dealing with the masters of the "divide and conquer". You know, they did this to our ancestors in the field. He that doesn't know his history is destined to repeat it.
Now, I'm not suggesting that you vote for him because he is Black or otherwise. I am saying that if you want you grandchildren to be "judged not for the color of his skin but for the content of his character" then you can't continue to condone this BS. |
Carey
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My man Disciple:
I agree with you completely! The divide and conquer ploy is a very potent tool. It is very efficent when applied to an already divided group. The "yes sir massa types" although blinded by their own self hatred and guarded positions of self importance, will struggle to hold a position that fights off any guilt. Consequently they will support their oppressors hiding behind "it's only satire".
I was merely addressing your question. We know what was behind the cover, EVEN if we can't PROVE it...WE KNOW!
However, I will not agree that Obama has a case for slander. *LOL*, do we wish to define slander? |
Cynique
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Within the bounds of satire, Disciple, being portrayed outside of yourself is the gist of the jab. Nobody ever said satire wasn't cruel or malicious. Have you ever seen Spike Lee's movie, "Bamboozled"?
The point is is that some black people don't seem to be able to distinguish that this is not an accurate portrayal of Barak and Mischelle - which puts them on the same wave length as hysterical white bigots. Other black folks are peeing on themselves because they don't think they should be candidates for satire - because, well, because they are black.
I love this kind of outside of the box shit - when people are thrown out of kilter. |
Cynique
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And does your "insult" label of being portrayed outside of yourself apply when the portrayal aggrandizes instead of pokes fun at???
Black Enterprise Magazine once portrayed Clarence Thomas as a lawn jockey on their cover and the majority of their black readers were slapppin themselves on the knees laughing. |
Cynique
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And I might add, Disciple, that on this board I have rarely seen one debater sway another to their side of a question. Nobody ever concedes defeat. We folks here not only have the courage of our convictions but the obstinacy of our infallibility.  |
Disciple724
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"Since I consider you a great debater, I understand your approach, you
defined a question but nevertheless didn't answer it yourself. Your
question: "Can one obviously joke about serious matters" was YOUR
question, the answer is still YES. Did you wish to or do you want to
re-define your question?"
Carey, thanks again for the kind words.
Perhaps the most relevant word in the question was "honestly" ( you misquoted it in your reply). Sure someone can say that he was kidding, but was he being honest?
I once had a so called friend who told someone that " if I ever turn my back, he would f**k the sh*t out of my wife. When I confronted him about it He replied; "he was only joking". What do you think? Many of true words are cloaked in jest. Just to be sure I let him know how serious I was. |
Disciple724
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"You gave excellent reasons why we shouldn't "joke" about Obama and why
some give Bush a pass. But please .....it was unfair to imply that I
somehow thought Obama should not be look upon with the same respect as
any man of similar character.
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I never said that we shouldn't joke about Obama ( do you see the neck to head size ratio on my man), I said that this was not a joke. It was serious and they were serious, and we need to be acutely aware of the subtle differences. And… |
Carey
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Disciple:
Now you know my base is humor but I ain't going to touch your last paragraph. I am left with one question. You gotta know you left me hanging. How did you "seriously" let him know . Did you grant his wish and give him a good ****ing?
RE: Your 10:27 reply
I can see your view on how honesty fits into the equation. I think it's time for me to concede this arguement. Although I didn't take a stand, I will say you proved a point and dropped a little knowledge.
Carey
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Disciple724
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" If that's your position, then one could
easily come to a conclusion than you wish to redefine satire. Oh maybe
I should ask you: what is your definition of satire. Because I think
you will be hard pressed to find anything saying it shouldn't include
"serious individuals Do you wish to give us a class or Dictionary
definition on satire, jokes, what's funny or comedians? "
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RE:
...No, I don't have "my definition" of satire; one already exist so I don't have to recreate one to suit my case, the one that exist and is available in any credible reference dictionary does that just fine. Actually, I had hoped to move some to take a closer look at the word (satire) in order to provoke thought. I find that many times we take the meanings of familiar words for granted so I will frequently relook up words that I think I already know. Many may consider this a waste of time but I have discovered some real incite from doing this. Look up satire (Roman ) and its reputed root "satyr" (Greek). There is real history behind these and understanding the historical context under which they were coined sheds incredible light on the true meaning of the word. While wikipedia.com isn't a traditional reference source, the subject matter available there is consistent with many of the more reputable sources. There is power and enlightment in words.
BTW I value your opinion and dialogue so if my tone is not right I beg your pardon. |
Disciple724
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Carey,
Thanks brother,
sent the last one before reading your message so don't think that I was belaboring the point. |
Cynique
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Scuse me while I intrude upon the meeting of the mutual admiration society of which you and Carey are the charter members, Disciple but -
No matter how the dictionary defines a word, there is no way of knowing what a person means when he uses a word because he may not know what the dictionary definition is.
That's why words become ambiguous and inadequate. Words are an attempt to condense reality into sounds and symbols. And people see things differently which - is why eye witness accounts are so in accurate, - why communication breaks down.
Of course, language is the best we can do. I am not disparaging it. It can be ethereal and is uniquely human, but like humans it is imperfect. Etymology is simply a tool for people who want to sound scholarly. IMO |
Disciple724
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Cynique;
The beauty of language is that it able to transfer ideas from one mind to the next; but even this can be abused. Depending on time and space, a medium of paper, wire or air is often necessary to deliver a message. In this sense the medium plays a major role in what and how a message gets delivered. In this role, the media has the power to shape ideas, superimpose thoughts, and in doing so shape both minds and deliver souls.
It has been said that a picture is worth a thousand words. Perhaps this is why Corporate America pays a pretty penny to get a picture into your head. But beyond the standard "branding" that takes place on a daily basis, the media ( literally meaning the middle) can influence how "the sheep" thinks and feels.
The earliest American experience with satirical comedy that I can recall, was with the early to middle 70' television show called "All in the Family" where the character "Archie Bunker" spit racial and ethnic slurs and taught us to love it. I remember my foster mother's (Sarah) first reaction was shock, but by the end of the season, thanks to the laugh track, she was eating it up.
Even as a child I was smart enough not to take the bait, they (the producer Norman Lear) meant every word of what was being said; where was he getting his material. Maybe its because I also went to school with confederate flag loving rednecks that also loved that show too; but not for the same reason as Sarah. Howbeit that while my Black guardian was so naive that she could see that they weren't kidding, but were serious, and Redneck (Ed Brown -I still owe him $20.00) was too dull-witted to notice that they were pretending to be funny and therefore took them seriously. I remember having to pull him aside and let him know that it wasn't expectable to call Blacks spooks. What a masterful plan to play both sides at the same time.
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Cynique
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I'm always leery of people who think they're in the know because they're smarter than others who are simply dupes. These are the types who imply that somewhere enscounced in a secret tower, representatives of THE MAN are meeting, plotting the doom of poor ol guillible black folks. But, nowadays this is the typical mind-set of black people. You could talk to a homeless man sitting on a curb and he would say the same things you're saying.
In actuality, in the hustle and flow of life in a capitalistic country, being a loser or user is more about class than color.
"All in the Family" never made anybody look bad but people of the Archie Bunker ilk. This show bent over backwards to not offend Blacks. |
Disciple724
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Cynique
What do you mean intrude, you're included in here too. Its just that you're too tough. You want to run me all over the place and I don't think that there's any resolution. Contrary to what you think, I ain't doing this to stroke my ego.
Isn't it great that ain't is officially a word now? I can't wait for aah'ite.
BTW: there is no courage in staying within the safety of ones convictions ( that only makes you a prisoner). It takes courage to break free from them; this way they serve you and not vice versa. And those that think that they are infallible, are more likely delusional |
Disciple724
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So I guess you conclusion is that they are superior and we are inferior. How else would you explain why they are where they are and we are where we are; generally speaking. |
Disciple724
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CYN,
So I guess you conclusion is that they are superior and we are inferior. How else would you explain why they are where they are and we are where we are; generally speaking. |
Cynique
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Show me a person without convictions and I'll show you a vascillating chameleon. Implicit in sticking to your guns is that your beliefs are infallible. Just ask any Christian, - Disciple.
BTW are you black???? |
Disciple724
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As charcoal. |
Cynique
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There are just as many poor struggling white people in America as there are impoverished blacks. |
Disciple724
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Disciplieship is not based on beliefs, but Faith( better translated as Trust- which is rooted in Truth). There is a difference you know. |
Carey
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Cynique...CYNIQUE!!!! "THIS SHOW BENT OVER BACKWARDS TO NOY OFFEND BLACKS" Cynique, my black queen. Please tell me you said that just to offend Disciple or to purposely move 180% away from is opinion. I wasn't going to jump back into this but please tell me you didn't just make his case? Tell me you are not his Aunt Sarah!!??
Come on Cyn-cyn. Are you really blinded to the sinister ways of "those in power". They may not sit in a room (but they do) and plan, but if you don't believe there is a plan. YOU are truly gullible and dangerously nieve! |
Disciple724
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Not even close per capita. Still these are casualties of war. That's how they get down.
What's your profession? |
Cynique
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Well, Disciple, I believe my work here is done.
I don't think I've changed your mind about anything, but I hope the challenge of examining and defending your beliefs was worth the effort. Good Night. |
Cynique
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I don't have a profession. I am a retired postal employee, who has dabbled in self-publishing. |
Cynique
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Tell me, in what way All in the Family was offensive to Blacks, Carey? Archie Bunker was portrayed as a ridiculous ignorant bigot. There were hardly any blacks on the show. This show was out when all the blaxploitation movies were hitting the theaters, making blacks heroes and whites buffoons. |
Disciple724
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You didn't try hard enough.
I was just getting started, but we will pickup tommorrow, I gotta do my homework anyhow
Peace & Love. |
Carey
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STOP IT CYNIQUE! you just said there as many po white folk as there are poor blacks. What was that about? Your point? Now hold on, please, are you really presenting your statements with a truthful heart. I mean are you bent on not agreeing on anything? And Consequently saying things that have no connection to the issue. Poor white folks being poor and the reasons behind that, is another topic in and of itself. |
Cynique
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Archie dissed Catholics, Jews, Polacks and Dagos as well as Blacks on this show, Carey. How old were you when it came out, young man? |
Disciple724
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Don't tell me you fell for that.Cyn.
He did to them so its okay to do it to me!
C'mon sister, snap out of it. |
Cynique
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Oh come, on, Carey. Blacks are a minority in America. There many be a higher percentage of poor Blacks but in actual numbers there are more underclass whites than blacks, living in Appalachia and the rural South as well as the blue collars communities of middle America where a methadone epidemic has decimated the little small towns. |
Carey
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Cynique, you askes me to tell you how that cracker Archie was offensive? I will direct you to Disciple's above post in which he talked about the "messages of the mind"...the media, the medium. See, you ain't trying to listen. It's not that what he is saying is something new. What he is saying is true. Don't fight the power!! Don't hate the messenger! |
Cynique
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Archie Bunker was an equal opportunity bigot. He insulted all minorites, including Blacks. He was caricature of a white bigot. This show held up a mirror to white working class America. so they could see how ridiculous they were.
But you guys are too dense to see this. You naturally think it was all a part of a - whooooooo - sinister plot. At that time white Liberals wanted to assuage Blacks not insult them. |
Cynique
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White Liberals, like Jewish Norman Lear, were flawed and soon fell out of favor in the movemement but their intent was always to expose racism. |
Carey
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Cynique, Am done....
Your last post on methadone addiction capped it off. You are obviously working from a sleepy base. There is not a methadone epidemic in any small town anywhere in America. Never has been!! My point my dear was to ask you how poor white folk fit into the discussion. For arguement sake, lets say I agree with that staement (Mo-po-whites), what point have you proved)? Certainally none pretaining to there methods of destruction and underhanded scemes! Which I think was the onus of this discussion. |
Carey
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Cynique, I don't know how you sleep with all those strings attached to you *smile*. Where is Japedo? |
Carey
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Good Night..... |
Cynique
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You know nothing about the communities in Iowa and Indiana and Ohio if you think that meth hasn't ravished the small town areas of these towns, Carey.
And what point have you proved accept to parrot the same ol patented rhetoric about the media brainwashing black folks. YOu guys under estimate other Black people. If you mopes can figure things out so can they. They are able to discern media ploys. They didn't necesssary buy into the negative images, they just chose to be entertained by them because TV was an escape for them. Get real. |
Disciple724
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Good Morning,
Had to leave this exchange to do some work. Now where should I pick up? Ah!
"You know nothing about the communities in Iowa and Indiana and Ohio if you think that meth hasn't ravished the small town areas of these towns, Carey. And what point have you proved accept to parrot the same ol patented rhetoric about the media brainwashing black folks. YOu guys under estimate other Black people. If you mopes can figure things out so can they. They are able to discern media ploys. They didn't necesssary buy into the negative images, they just chose to be entertained by them because TV was an escape for them. Get real."
Cyn,
Let make sure I have this right. The Black folks that are shooting each other in Chicago and other urban, suburban, and rural neighborhoods aren't fools? They actually get it! They are just doing this for entertainment; as an escape? Wait a minute, that's not real, that only being reported on T.V. for my entertainment! Rrright, now I get it!! So Tupac and Biggie are still alive !!!
I have to get ready for the market, I'll pick this up later. |
Carey
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Hello Cynique
I feel kind of guilty having this discussion with you, it it's like hitting a midget with a brick.
But first, some of your replies such as "mutual admiration society" reminds me of my friendship with Thump. I agreed with Thumper on many issues and some (will not mention names) were intimatated by that and tried to drive a wedge between us by comments such as yours. I don't know Disciple, never seen him, don't know his background and have no hidden agenda to befriend him. I simply share common ideas. I am man enough to give feedback and praise when warranted. I don't agree with him on all issue, of course not but when we are in agreement, I am brave enough and compelled to say that.
Denial and addiction: You seem to be comfortable in your position. I still believe it's hard for most to say "I AM WRONG". If I called you a lier it would do little to propel you to stop lying. Think about it, if I called someone a thief, do you think they would stop stealing sorely upon those words? I'd say, absolutely not.
RE: Archie Bunker
Do you think the last segment was planned upon the creation of the show? If you believe that is not true than the shows in the middle were created as the program continued, right. You have to know where I am going with this. Just like a person that hits that first cigarette, their bodies tried to reject it but in time they started liking it AND needing it. They rationalize all the reason why they smoke while denying all the negative affects of such. You're comfortable, you can't quit, you are in the deep end, denial. Can you see the similarities between drug companies and the perveyors of propaganda, and the intended and lasting effects of their products. I doubt that you can OR wish to look for it, you are in the stream.
Self Discovery is a hurting yet beautiful thang!!
Some of it's characteristic are much like a rubberband. It will give you a little rope but yet pull you back. BUT once you break free, it's force will never be the same! |
Carey
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Self Discovery, it's like a drug. Try it, you WILL like it AND thirst for more, it's addicting! You don't have to understand it nor take a big hit but you will forever seek it's alluring effects.
Carey
Carey |
Cynique
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Ooooh puleeze. Get me a barf bag. Watta bunch of warmed over rhetoric replete with distortions of what I said, trumped up by you 2 in your feeble attempt to justify your stale views. "All in The Family", as I said, was a caricature! It made white people look bad, not blacks. No blacks were even on the show except for maybe a guest appearance as was the case with Sammy Davis, Jr. Why is this so hard to understand??? Maybe you two confused twits are mixing this show up with "Good Times" which came years later and was critized for the bufoonery of Jimmy "J-J" Walker.
The media makes fun of all segments of society. That's the core of most sit-coms. Back then, there was The Beverly Hill Billies and Chico and the Man. It has always makes fun of dumb blonds and clueless father figures. Today, look at how the Sopranoes portrays Italians and how Will and Grace ridiculed gays. But nooooo. You 2 are smarter than anyone else. You're "in the know". Other black people are soooo dumb that they are hood winked by the dreaded media. That's why "ALL" of them act a certain way. It's all whitey's fault.
A couple of years ago they ran a special on how methadone was to the white rural and small town areas of the midwest what crack was to the ghettos of the big cities. But of course Carey knows better because he is apparently an expert on these things. And, you, Disciple are so busy parsing words that you are don't know about the concept of the whole TRUTH - not just snippets of it to be used for your own purposes.
Everybody but you 2 left-overs from the last century knows what time it is and that the black community has a lot of work that needs to be done. The more enlightened ones realize that the first thing blacks need to do is to get our act together and to stop blaming white folks for everything and expecting them to change.
In the mean time you 2 can continue to prop each other up, putting THE MEEEEEEDIA at the root of all black problems, mouthing the same ol crap in an attempt to make yourselves look smarter than other black people. Black people are very good at compartmentalizing. They can watch a TV show and realize that it is an exagerration of real life but still find it funny. The average young black kid will tell you that they know rap lyrics are bad and that they don't take them seriously. The ones who do, are dyfunctional kids who embrace gangs as the families they never had. Of course black people are blameless about this situation. Folks like you complain about there not being enough Blacks on TV but claim that the media sends the wrong messsages about black folks to white people. What TV show is currently doing this???
I'm sure none of this changes your narrow minds, just like all of that drivel you came up rolls off my back. |
Cynique
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As for self discovery, I know who I am and I make no apologies for not spouting the "party-line" or being politically-correct. I calls 'em the way I sees 'em and I am not trying to change anybody's mind. |
Disciple724
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CYn, I'm trading the markets so I can't fully engage. Nonethelessi think you mean Metyhamphedamine (spellcheck) not Methadone; a preciption treatment for herione addicts. I'll be tearing you a new one in a few hours. Get the ointment! |
Ferociouskitty
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Point of clarification:
The meth epidemic is not methadone. It's crystlal meth/methamphetamine (sp?) which is mixed with all kinds of toxic crap. This is the reason in some places you can't buy OTC cough syrup without showing ID. One of the ingredients is used in meth labs to make the bad stuff.
As you were... |
Ferociouskitty
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CRYSTAL meth...I meant to say. |
Cynique
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Excuse me, I meant crystal meth! Methadone is a drug that clinics hook heroin addicts on in order to break them of their desire for heroin.  |
Ferociouskitty
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No prob, Cynique. I knew what you meant. ;-)
Interestingly, some have commented on how the government response to the meth epidemic (rehabilitation, special "meth" prisons) differs from its response to the crack epidemic (primarily punitive). I don't have articles on hand, but this discussion reminded me of this. |
Cynique
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BTW, the street name for meth is "crank". |
Cynique
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Waitin for Carey to check in. Maybe he's lookin in the mirror, tryin to discover himself. Who dat? |
Cynique
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Your'e right, FK! |
Carey
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*LOL* @ Cynique....
You got me. Yes I am looking in the mirror but I have a speaking engagement so I can't get my foot in your behind like I want to. BTW, stop making statements you know nothing about. Your take on Methadone is STILL incorrect!
Thanks Kitty for your clarification. I was going to leave that alone but it appears other caught it. I've noticed you are good at that, having the courage to clear a misunderstanding without appearing to take a side. GOOD JOB!
I am just thrilled that others actually read this mess *smile*.
Cynigue, don't be looking around for Kitty to support that ahhh that vague and loose position you are standing on. I know she values friendship and she is your friend but I can't help but think that will require her to walk a delicate line.
I am not going to hate on friendships like some do **eyes looking around the room** I respect it. |
Cynique
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If my take on meth clinics dispensing doses to heroin addicts, thereby replacing one addiction with another one is wrong, then elaborate on your claim, Carey. You're a great one for making statements you can't back up. Are you also saying that "crank" does not refer to crystal meth??
And I'm not looking around for anybody for support. I have no problem with standing alone when I take an unorthodox point of view, - unlike you who sucks up to anybody who strings 2 sentences together and reinforces your attempts to be coherent.  |
Ferociouskitty
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Cynigue, don't be looking around for Kitty to support that ahhh that vague and loose position you are standing on. I know she values friendship and she is your friend but I can't help but think that will require her to walk a delicate line.
Uh...no. ;-)
I have no problem taking a side...but on this one, there's not a side here for me to take because, frankly, I don't agree completely with either side presented here. My friendship with Cynique has nothing to do with my lack of participation...I'm just not nearly as interested in this topic nor this particular discussion of it as you guys are, lol.
Another reason I may be silent on a given thread is that I refuse to throw pearls before swine (*winking at Carey*). Some stuff is just too bone-headed to dignify with a comment, or even my outrage.
Also, I don't count among my friends those who are so thin-skinned that they can't handle my disagreeing with them. So, while there are reasons I won't participate in a given discussion or engage a particular poster on a particular subject, you'll never see me holding my cyber-tongue around these parts in order to preserve a friendship or spare someone's feelings. Diplomacy and tact, yes. Walking on eggshells, no.
However...the former schoolteacher/current mother in me can't help but doing the "clearing up a misunderstanding" thing." ;-)
Peace!!! |
Cynique
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Thanks for putting Carey in his place, FK. He's a great one for making assumptions about people.
I repeat: I take controversial positions on subjects and I don't require that my friends agree with me. The reason I admire people like you and Yvette is because you are independet thinkers. |
Cynique
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Memo to Disciple: when you are ready with what I know will be a garrulous rebuttal to my comments, start a new thread, please This one is too long. |
Disciple724
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Cynique;
Every human action or inaction is precede by a thought--conscious or otherwise. These thoughts have have residence in the annals of our minds. Some were given to us, others are subtlely suggested, and some we have constucted for ourselves ( although I believe that we do nothing totally by ourselves). Regardless, our thoughts are the precursor to all human behavior.
Now not everyone process information the same way so the will always be exceptions, and resultantly, their will be different opinions. Now my arguement has never been that the "white man is solely responsible for our present state or for our ressurection. I'm just pointing out that some of them are actively playing a significant role in it.
Let me ask you. The human souls that behave poorly in our communities and are kiling each other, crowding the prisons, cemetaries and our ghettos, why do you say that they behave this way? |
Disciple724
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Kitty,
As a former teacher, do you think that the contents of one's mind plays a major role in their behavior? |
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"Waitin for Carey to check in. Maybe he's lookin in the mirror, tryin to discover himself. Who dat?"
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Chrishayden
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Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 7211
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 23, 2008 - 11:45 am: |
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79 POSTS!!!!
Great work, Disciple724! |
Chrishayden
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Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 7212
Registered: 03-2004
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By the way, some local librarians pulled this issue from the shelves.
Now we are into censorship.
Obama will pay for this. |
Chrishayden
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Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 7213
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 23, 2008 - 11:48 am: |
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Now, I don't recall Bush being similarly treated PRIOR to his being elected
(I do. I remember MAD magazine ran this fake article showing him with white powder all over his nose and face with the caption, "GOT COKE"?
Face it, Negroes.
You ain't ready to have a Black President. |
Chrishayden
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Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 7214
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 23, 2008 - 11:49 am: |
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Interestingly, the MCCAIN campaign condemned The New Yorker magazine cover as well.
Are they also being psychopathic liberals?
(No they are being hypocrites. Just like when you send flowers to your worst enemies funeral) |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 10173
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 23, 2008 - 12:31 pm: |
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Chris,
It had been alleged by some CREDIBLE sources that W had done drugs (probably when he went AWOL from The National Guard). And we all know he 'was' a drunk. He even got a DUI near his family compound to prove that.
But, again, there's NEVER been any HINT of Barack (or Michelle) being involved in ANY of the activities The New Yorker cover allude to.
So the conclusion you draw via your comparison Obama's and Bush's media treatment is NOT valid.
And I have NEVER sent flowers to the funeral of an adversary. But, I'll tell you what: When you drop dead I might make an exception. |
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