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Chrishayden
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Hughes brothers pimp project for HBO
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By Nellie Andreeva
LOS ANGELES (Hollywood Reporter) - Albert and Allen Hughes are revisiting the settings and themes of their 1999 documentary "American Pimp" with "Gentlemen of Leisure," a drama series project for HBO.
The project, a brainchild of the directing duo, explores the world's oldest profession through the eyes of a 35-year-old legendary pimp in Oakland, Calif., who is contemplating leaving his unscrupulous occupation behind.
"It's about a guy who wants to get out but keeps getting sucked back in by the allure of the game and by extraneous circumstances that have to do with his family," said Evan Reilly, a "Rescue Me" producer who will write the script.
"Gentlemen of Leisure" will explore the generational change in the pimping world with the thirtysomethings who live by honor codes and creeds being pushed aside by aggressive, violent younger pimps who are coming "with their guns blazing," mixing prostitution with drugs and thievery," Allen Hughes said.
"These are some of the same themes from 'The Godfather' but in the world of pimping," he said.
Allen Hughes said the idea for the show came after several of their friends suggested they should make "American Pimp" into a drama series for HBO.
The two were resistant at first until they realized that there haven't been shows about that world. "This is the last island that has not been reached in television or film," Allen Hughes said.
He approached music mogul Jimmy Iovine, who had been looking to an urban mob drama set in the world of hip-hop, and he came on board. The brothers are set to direct the potential pilot as well as executive produce with Reilly and Iovine and Polly Anthony, another music biz veteran.
The Hughes are looking to push the envelope with "Gentlemen of Leisure."
"We haven't done a movie in eight years ("From Hell"), and we're really interested in trying do something new," Allen Hughes said. "You're not going to see a bunch of colorful, goofy '70's pimps. This is a film noir-style drama based in rich characters that will explore the human conditions across the board. It is an urban crime drama."
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Yvettep
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Can't you gentlemen on this board talk about anything these days other than prostitution, spousal rape, and pimping? Geesh. |
Chrishayden
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, July 05, 2008 - 10:46 am: |
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Do you think ignoring it will make it go away?
Rather than just turn your cute little pug nose up in distaste why don't you tell us what you think about this?
And by the way, what do you think about the most successful pimp in History--Hugh Hefner? |
Ntfs_encryption
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More coonery. End of subject........ |
Yvettep
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what do you think about the most successful pimp in History...
Here's what I think of any "pimp"--at least male ones who are in charge of women whose clients are also male:
His job is to provide sexual satisfaction to other men. At its core, that's all pimping is. I find that framing of the phenomenon very interesting.
BTW, I recently finished a novel called "The Nubian Prince" by Juan Bonilla. It was an incredibly depressing look at the international sex trade. I think more perspectives on prostitution like this would go a long way towarsd ending the glamour and mythology so many seem to have about this industry. |
Troy
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Yvettep, you wanna talk depressing, check out this film: Very Young Girls talks about how young teenages are being exploited by "pimps": http://reviews.aalbc.com/very_young_girls.htm
Also, it seems to me that a pimp's "job" is to exploit women for $$$: the sexual satisfaction of the john is largerly incidental.
The folks interested in providing sexual services to the "clients", for a payday, are usually relancers, madamns, or just regular folk.
Chris, I'm sure the Hughes brother's project will be interesting. I'd rather the project be in HBO's hands than BET's. |
Chrishayden
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His job is to provide sexual satisfaction to other men. At its core, that's all pimping is
(Of course that's not his job.
The job of the prostitute is to provide the sexual satisfaction.
Everybody always wonder why a prostitute needs a pimp. Surely, they figure, she ought to be able to work on her own. Why would she need to turn over her money to a pimp, who does nothing.
Why does an athelete need a coach? A coach doesn't play. A coach often only provides the focus and the emotion.
But there is another reason. The prostitute deals with men--johns, who deny her humanity. She deals with other men, police and judges who punish her. She deals with the disgust of society.
She wants a man who will be allright with her. The man insists on being paid for this service--as well as fighting off other pimps and prostitutes.
Among the streetwalkers at least I have seen here in St. Louis, the other girls would tear a girl with no pimp to pieces.
There ain't no sisterhood out there.
Also, it seems to me that a pimp's "job" is to exploit women for $$$: the sexual satisfaction of the john is largerly incidental
(See above. His job is to keep her humping. Make no mistake--these guys are not Florence Nightingales--often they have a hatred for women themselves--so that despite all the nice plans and talk they wind up being the most dangerous person in the prostitute'slife.
Make no mistake about this either--the prostitutes are not nice little Sunday School girls who are forced into prostitution by evil men--they are criminals, thieves and dope addicts who scorn taking a job and would cut a femnists throat on a bet. |
Ntfs_encryption
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 07, 2008 - 11:41 am: |
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"Make no mistake about this either--the prostitutes are not nice little Sunday School girls who are forced into prostitution by evil men--they are criminals, thieves and dope addicts who scorn taking a job and would cut a femnists throat on a bet."
True....true..... |
Troy
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Chris, NTFS, I disagree. The evil cutthrough hoes are a small minority.
More often prostitutes are victims. Whether they be exploited teenagers, illegal aliens, drug addicts or the mentally deficient.
However the vast majority of prostitutes choose the profession and are neither victims or evil (and probably go to church too). |
Yvettep
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The folks interested in providing sexual services to the "clients", for a payday, are usually relancers, madamns, or just regular folk.
Fair enough distinction, Troy. And you are right about that doc project. Very, very depressing. |
Abm
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The very WORST thing about prostitution is that it is ILLEGAL. Make it legal and MOST of the evils and dangers associated with being a hooker are greatly diminished, if not eliminated altogether. |
Cynique
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When it comes to the subject of prostitution, a distinction should be made between a street hooker and a high maintenance call girl. |
Troy
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Abm, I guess our own moral hypocrisy is what prevents prositution for being legalized. For all practical purposes it is legal. Unless you wanna get a politician or give Brown people some hell.
But man, you know our gov't. Once they get their mitts on prostitiution: they'll create their beaurocracies, tax the hell out of it, and it will have to continue underground. A pack of cigarettes is like $8 now and people are getting killed over them in the white market.
I have a big problem with prosititution when the hooker is being exploited by a pimp or child is involved...
Cynique the distinction between the call girl and the pimped street walker, is the later is usually a victim. |
Abm
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Troy,
I don't much mind "sin taxes", though I question their constitutionality. If hooking and cigarettes are LEGAL, why should they be taxed so much more than any other good/service? That's inherently discriminatory.
Like you, I despise in any notion or possibility of child abuse or exploitation. But if a GROWN woman WILLINGLY agrees to be pimped, that should be HER and her pimp's business. Not mine or anybody elses.
And I think the difference between call girl and streetwalker is less an issue of victimhood and more that of the perceived market value of the hookers' services and esthetic accoutrements. |
Troy
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"Sin" is relative. As a result, the laws and by extention the taxes on behavior is inherently discriminatory.
In fact, it is the biased enforcement of those laws and taxes which are most henious.
Consider that we, Black folks are the ones who suffer the repercussions of these laws.
Over the weekend I was talking to someone who works in the Philadephia DA's office. He was telling me how differently Black and white people are treated in the system. He gave me a number of examples -- but we already know this, it is nothing new....
And who suffers most from an $8 for a pack of cigraettes? They sell loose cigarettes on the street of Harlem not in affluent in Upper East side.
ABM, consider the following analogy: A woman is in a physically abusive husband. Do you think it reasonable to argue: since she is an adult, she is caapable of deciding to stay or go and therefore deserves the abuse?
It is not always so cut a dried in my mind. Women like pimped hookers have negligile self esteem, they are efffectively brainwashed into doing the bidding of the pimp or abusinve husband. They are not thinking like a normal person would -- they need to be resuced. |
Abm
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Troy,
Are you aware of any major class action suits being made against states, counties and municipalities for these discriminatory taxing schemes? You'd think there would be some.
I think it's fallacious to presume any/every pimp-ho relationship is inherently abusive and coerced.
And there are also madaam-ho relationships. Funny how we never assume madaams (WOMEN) are forcing and beating their hos like we assume pimps (MEN) are.
If a woman says she's being forced to do something, we should do whatever we can to help her. But if she doesn't, why should we risk our time, efforts and money to rescue her from a problem that she herself will not even acknowledge exists? |
Chrishayden
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More often prostitutes are victims. Whether they be exploited teenagers, illegal aliens, drug addicts or the mentally deficient
(That's the way we want to see it. In that manner, we are all in this system victims)
When it comes to the subject of prostitution, a distinction should be made between a street hooker and a high maintenance call girl.
(Certainly the street hooker's life is more dangerous, dirty, and low paying. Morally there is less distinction, and as to what it does to the minds and souls of most of these women--largely due to society's attitudes toward them-- there is even less)
But man, you know our gov't. Once they get their mitts on prostitiution: they'll create their beaurocracies, tax the hell out of it,
(They will also be licensed, have access to health care and inspections, have retirement, hospitaliazation, and the pimps will be virtually eliminated. So what its taxed if lives are saved)
Women like pimped hookers have negligile self esteem, they are efffectively brainwashed into doing the bidding of the pimp or abusinve husband. They are not thinking like a normal person would -- they need to be resuced.
(This is a patriarchal, sexist, victorian, patronizing attitude. Most prostitutes would heap you with scorn for this) |
Troy
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ABM
Poor people don't have the resources to launch class action suits.
Most taxes; whether it be sales tax, gasoline tax, or FICA, disproportionately hurt the poor. Which is why there exists an underground economy in all poor communities. Whether it is the bootlegged DVDs, the loose cigarettes, off the book day laborers and child care, prostitution or drug sales. This is driven, in part from a system that is over taxed.
While I did not say every pimp-ho relationship is inherently abusive, I would say the vast majority are -- how else do you keep whores in check -- pats on the back and benefits?!
"...why should we risk our time, efforts and money to rescue her from a problem that she herself will not even acknowledge exists?"
Well see that is the problem. We don't do anything. Honestly I'm not even sure if we should. I'd rather see our finite resoruces used on children and adults that are asking for help and ready to recieve it...
Chris
Inspections? access to health care? licenses? Ha, ha, ha ROTFLMBAO! Dude gimme a break!
Do you think some Mexican day laborer is gonna to the NYS Department of Fornication (NYSDF) to get some over-priced trim?
I can see it now: The gov't will prescribe the positions, duration, sex and number of partners.
No gov't can control license or otherwise adminster what two (or more) concenting adults do.
The best thing the gov't can do with prostitution is just heck out of the way. |
Abm
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Troy,
Not ALL the consumers of sin taxes are poor. And there certainly are advocates of the poor (e.g., Jesse Sr., Sharpton, etc.) who’ve got the juice to kick off a massive class action suit, were such their choosing.
All you really need is a credible grievance that’s being suffered by enuff foks, an attorney who’ll willing to work on contingency, some seed money to get things going and Voila!, you’ve got you a class action suit!
And what I have heard and read is that pimping is actually more a product of mental and emotional manipulation and seduction as it is overt, physical coercion and domination.
Excusing the current illegality of prostitution (and I say "current" because if our economy gets any worse, many states may begin to allow some limited forms of hoing, if for no other reason so foks can afford to pay for groceries and gasoline), there is no (nor should there be) law against one person being able to seduce someone into doing something that you or I think she shouldn’t do.
Hell, the entire ADVERSTISING/MARKETING profession is based on tricking and slicking for into doing what they have no business doing. |
Troy
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Abm, sure, poor people are not the only ones paying sin taxes. They are just the ones who are hurt the most by them -- which drives the activity underground.
I would be careful about making the assumption that the Reverends Jesse Sr. and Sharpton are actually adovcates of the poor.
Besides the lack of a class action suit for unfair taxation does not mean that one is not warranted.
These things are usually solved through revolution not legislation...
Do you think the tax codes for the things I mentioned (sales tax, gasoline tax, or FICA) are fair across all socio-ecconionic groups?
Obvuously I don't: the poor and the middle class, in particular, are being bent over with taxes. |
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