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Ferociouskitty
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http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/06/25/child.prostitutes/index.html
When we last discussed this here, one issue was the differing state laws and prosecution efforts related to child prostitution. It seems levying federal charges can make that issue moot. |
Chrishayden
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one issue was the differing state laws and prosecution efforts related to child prostitution
(How was that an issue?) |
Ferociouskitty
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(How was that an issue?)
Different states deal with johns, pimps, and child prostitutes differently. Federal laws are apparently harsher, and so if federal chargers are brought, the "toughness" of the state law in a given jurisdiction becomes irrelevant.
In related news, the Supreme Court just banned the death penalty for rape of children under the age of 12. Both Obama and McCain objected.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-scotus26-2008jun26,0,595361 0.storyhttp://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-scotus26-2008jun26,0 ,5953610.story
Some lawmakers who support such executions resolve to press on anyway:
http://www.newsmeat.com/news/meat.php?articleId=27653000&channelId=2951&buyerId= newsmeatcom&buid=3281 |
Ntfs_encryption
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"It seems levying federal charges can make that issue moot."
Yep. Once they cross the state lines....it's a done deal!! It's now a federal offense. I didn't agree with the Supreme Courts ruling on the child rape case. I would give all those recruiting whores, pimps and pedophiles the needle. |
Chrishayden
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Different states deal with johns, pimps, and child prostitutes differently
(No they don't. They all turn a blind eye to them until around election time, when they conduct "sweeps"--which are usually settled for fines and time served in jails)
Federal laws are apparently harsher, and so if federal chargers are brought, the "toughness" of the state law in a given jurisdiction becomes irrelevant.
(And that is the rub. Your Federal system already burdened with Organized Crime prosecutions, Big Drug dealers, Homeland Security Threats and interstate crimes (every stolen car that is driven across state lines becomes a Federal case if they supposedly make it one)
So suppose you have three 14 year olds who steal a hooptie and drive it across the State line. You think the Feds are going to get involved?
Not sexy enough.
Even though Federal crimes carry stricter mandatory sentences Federal Prosecutors have great latitude to dismiss counts as well as the discretion to CHARGE--
Add up all this as well as the fact that money and political connections also work on the Federal level and you got the same old same old |
Chrishayden
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I would be interested in following these cases and seeing what happens to the people who have been arrested-- |
Carey
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Hold on there Gym Shoes. Just because it's a federal law doesn't mean that the feds will prosecute the case. Case in point, federal drug laws and certain institutions that are under federal guidelines. The feds will not even jump in until....well, the feds can be political.
I'll take a stab at the topic, the death penalty!
I personally do not think there is a crime that requires the DEATH PENALTY. Regardless of how deplorable I may think of the crime, who has the right......???!! |
Ferociouskitty
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I would be interested in following these cases and seeing what happens to the people who have been arrested--
Ditto. Based on your descriptions of federal prosecution, it'll probably fall along class lines like everything else does: the haves get wrist slaps, the have-nots get hard time.
But...when Cambodia starts to look tough on child sex tourism, I guess the U.S. feels like we can't look like slackers by comparison.
*Different states deal with johns, pimps, and child prostitutes differently
(No they don't. They all turn a blind eye to them until around election time, when they conduct "sweeps"--which are usually settled for fines and time served in jails) *
I disagree. Some states don't ever crack down/sweep, because of how their laws are written. |
Carey
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Dang, Chris...you beat me to it and with greater articulation! |
Ferociouskitty
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Hold on there Gym Shoes. Just because it's a federal law doesn't mean that the feds will prosecute the case. Case in point, federal drug laws and certain institutions that are under federal guidelines. The feds will not even jump in until....well, the feds can be political.
My point was not about how intensely the feds would pursue prosecution. My point was simply that once someone involved in child prostitution faces federal charges, the issue of the applicable state laws and their "toughness" becomes moot. |
Carey
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Nice topic.
I think we are all saying the same thing.
Kitty, I think your "don't even crack down/sweep, because of how their laws are written" is saying that they may prosecute or crack the whip but "just a small" whip? |
Ferociouskitty
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Kitty, I think your "don't even crack down/sweep, because of how their laws are written" is saying that they may prosecute or crack the whip but "just a small" whip?
Small to invisible, depending on if we are talking about johns or pimps. ;-) |
Carey
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Okay Kitty, I got ya. You said, "ONCE", "if and when" the feds come in... Correct, when them bad boys show up the state can just take a seat, you are correct. |
Ferociouskitty
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Carey: Yep, that's what I meant.
I wonder if we are witnessing the Chris Hansonification of America?
I don't have time to do an exhaustive search today, but in my quick searching, I've yet to find an article that explains exactly why the FBI "suddenly" took on this undertaking. If memory serves, it's called the "Innocent Child Initiative" or something like that.
So, for now, I think I'll hold on to my theory about Cambodia. They launched a crackdown some years back. |
Carey
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That's an interesting perspective, John's or Ho's.
We could talk about the impact on the individuals, Tricks or Ho's. The ladies might go to jail, the child falls into a world of complete hell. The men could lose their freedom, marriage or social standing.
No winners, depending on what side of the fence you might be standing. |
Carey
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Yeah Kitty, hold that one about Cambodia. Southeast Asia is a different ballgame. My daughter just came back from Thailand and although I tried to prepare her for the experience, she was shocked to say the least.
It think it's safe to say money is behind motives and consequently "crackdowns", yes even here in the good ol'USA!
I had "business" in SE,Asia and I'll tell you, it's a different world. Yeah, be cautious of what you read. |
Abm
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I generally believe prostitution between ADULTS should be legal. Grown foks chosing to buy and sell access to each other genitilia should be nobodies business but their own.
Hell, make the pimps and hos get licenses and pay taxes like the rest of us.
But I am elated that they're nabbing foks who are engaging in child rape and molestation. |
Ferociouskitty
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I generally believe prostitution between ADULTS should be legal. Grown foks chosing to buy and sell access to each other genitilia should be nobodies business but their own.
Hell, make the pimps and hos get licenses and pay taxes like the rest of us.
Years ago, in another online discussion, I (in all naivete) wondered aloud why prostitution between adults wasn't legal. One answer: The government can't tax it because the situationally puritanical American public couldn't stomach the idea of legitimizing such activity by taxing it. And basically, even though other, more altruistic reasons (like public safety) are given, the government criminalizes anything money-making operation it can't tax (like drugs).
Some years ago, a kid's lemonade stand was shut down around here because she didn't have a permit... |
Abm
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Ferociouskitty,
We license, sell and tax the consumption of cigarettes, alchohol and red meat - sheht that kills +MILLION Americans every year - and we can't license, sell and tax cQQchie?
Surely American ingenuity should be able to figure something out here. |
Ferociouskitty
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We license, sell and tax the consumption of cigarettes, alchohol and red meat - sheht that kills +MILLION Americans every year - and we can't license, sell and tax cQQchie?
LOL, well, if we can make the case that drugs should be "legal though lethal" and tax them, there's definitely some "cQQchie" that could fit that bill as well.
But seriously, until Americans are as comfortable with people buying and selling sex as they are with people smoking cigarettes and drinking, then it won't happen. Shoot, in PA we still have blue-laws re: the sale of alcohol, locally and beyond. If I go to wine.com right now and indicate that I'm in PA, they kindly direct me to the gourmet baskets. |
Abm
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Ferociouskitty,
This country is so aSsbackwards.
The cocksucker conservative politicians and buybil thumpers who are behind blocking the legalization of prostitution are the very SAME hypocrites who get caught sucking cock.
And, btw, cQQchie will ALWAYS "fit the bill", suga.
*wink* |
Ferociouskitty
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The cocksucker conservative politicians and buybil thumpers who are behind blocking the legalization of prostitution are the very SAME hypocrites who get caught sucking cock.
Ain't the truth?
And, btw, cQQchie will ALWAYS "fit the bill", suga.
Unless you're one of those cocksucker conservative politicians, lol! |
Abm
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Ferociouskitty,
Indeed. And I guess, when you think about it, that's WHY they're blocking other men from paying for it. |
Chrishayden
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The cocksucker conservative politicians and buybil thumpers who are behind blocking the legalization of prostitution are the very SAME hypocrites who get caught sucking cock.
(Here in St. Louis there was a notorious hotel, which I will not mention for fear that it could get back to people that I told it and I could get whacked (and I am not joking) where all the big politicians, businessmen, and community leaders had their liasons--call girls, gambling, everything going on.
They harass prostitutes because their wives and the bluenoses insist on it and, unable in our hypocritical society to come out and say--"Come on, we are doing it," they pass these laws.
Part of it.
The other part is, from time to time the laws have attempted to set up a red light district in town. Go over here, do your thing etc.
The prostitutes get so brazen, hanging in bunches and flagging down cars and running into the street, the traffic piled up so much the cops had to shut it down.
When a Negro does wrong, for some reason he has to be flambouyant about it. |
Abm
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Chris,
You ain't never lied. We both know at least half the brothas who are doing time right now got caught styling and flossing. |
Ntfs_encryption
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, June 28, 2008 - 01:58 pm: |
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"I generally believe prostitution between ADULTS should be legal. Grown foks chosing to buy and sell access to each other genitilia should be nobodies business but their own."
Agreed. But unfortunately, we live in a Nanny Republic that operates by religious guidelines.
"Hell, make the pimps and hos get licenses and pay taxes like the rest of us."
No problem. I think it should be regulated like they do in Europe and Nevada. I do not think street walkers should be given free reign to drag down neighborhoods (I've seen this happen) but should be directed and licensed to restricted areas. As long as there is a meeting of the minds and it is consensual between two adults (and does not interfere with the liberties or safety of others), what they do it their business. I have no need nor desire to kibitz in any ones personal life and activities.
"But I am elated that they're nabbing foks who are engaging in child rape and molestation."
I draw a hard line of rapists and pedophiles. I have no issues with publicly caining them to death or amputating all of their exterior limbs. |
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