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Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 6976
Registered: 07-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, April 13, 2008 - 04:08 am: | 
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(I LOVE this fresh new open unguarded MILITANT stance that she & others (like Erykuh Badu) are taking. BLACK POWER. Power to the ppl gotdamn!!!!)
Alicia Keys says gangsta rap was ploy to get 'black people to kill each other'
She blames government, media
04:28 PM CDT on Saturday, April 12, 2008
McClatchy Newspapers
In a potentially controversial chat with Blender mag, Alicia Keys, 27, says, “Gangsta rap was a ploy to convince black people to kill each other. Gangsta rap didn’t exist.”
Ms. Keys, sporting a gold AK-47 pendant around her neck, says she has been reading books by some of the members of the Black Panthers.
She says the feud between East Coast and West Coast rappers, which led to the murders of Tupac Shakur and Notorious B.I.G., was fueled “by the government and the media, to stop another great black leader from existing.”
The singer is not available for comment, her rep says.
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/ent/stories/041308dnentkeys.5992fa68 .html
more quotes: http://dailyblabber.ivillage.com/entertainment/archives/2008/04/alicia-keys-goes -on-a-blender.html
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Troy
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Username: Troy
Post Number: 1192
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 2 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, April 13, 2008 - 09:37 am: |
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I did not read the linked articles. But this is all BS. We were killing each other long before ganster rap came along.
Besides is Keys actually suggesting that a BET, for exmaple, by showing gangster rap was actually fullfilling a plan to get Brothers to start shooting each other.
Blaming the media and government may be militant, but it is misguided. Believe me I have no great love for the media nowadays and don't get me started on this government, but last time I looked we were the ones pulling the triggers and racking up the body counts.
I guess if the 50 Cents of the world were not around Keyes and Badu would have more sales...
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A_womon
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Post Number: 2224
Registered: 05-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, April 13, 2008 - 11:39 am: |
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I've not read the links either but,I'm not sure about the conspiracty theory that Keys puts forth. I do know that most kids become what they see, and so in that respect the media and the super glorified gansta rapper videos have more than done their share to help shape the psychies of young men and boys who have grown up seeing the hustle and gang banging mentality where they live and who because of their environment are predisposed to pick up this type of behavior.
Young black men and boys are constantly bombarded by and overloaded with negative images of who they are and who they must be in order to survive. These images and ideas are indeed perpetuated by the media at large. |
Cynique
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Post Number: 12053
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, April 13, 2008 - 12:40 pm: |
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Gangsta rap may be a contributing factor, but you have to ask why white kids who buy this type of music as much as black ones do, don't go around doing drive-bys on each other. Whoever put out the video game Grand Theft Auto, certainly has to share in the blame. For black kids, the gang becomes their family and they conform to the protocol of the group, losing respect for the value of life, in the process. IMO. |
A_womon
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Post Number: 2227
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Votes: 4 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, April 13, 2008 - 01:38 pm: |
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IMO the reason why white kids don't go around doing drive bys-(and if you exclude mexicans,puerto ricans, chinese, and vietnamese when you say white kids, because these groups definitely do drive by killings just as much as blacks-it's just not publicized in the media nearly as much.)So if by white kids you mean those who live in suburbia-then I would say that the reason is they are not predisposed by thier environment to commit these type of crimes(drive bys)They don't see it in their neighborhoods, they are also not black like gangsta rappers so it is more likely that they don't identify with the types of crime and are therefore able to distance themselves from what they listen to.
But it has been documented that heavy metal music which some white kids listen to on a regular basis and those who watch these types of videos, are predisoposed to commit suicide and go on shooting sprees in schools and on college campuses. So while the type of music listened to and watched via video may differ, music can still results in residual violence proportionate to the types of violence that the kid grows up around. |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 12056
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, April 13, 2008 - 02:12 pm: |
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Of course I didn't include the other ethnic groups when I made my statement because we are discussing black youth and Rap Music. We are not talking about Asians and Hispanics or about heavy metal music. Young black men are an endangered species because they are killing each other off due to gang warfare. Rap is "art imitating life".
And, it's the black drive-bys that are so common place they don't get any publicity. When suburban white kids kill each other it's major news. |
A_womon
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Post Number: 2231
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, April 13, 2008 - 02:52 pm: |
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we're discussing the effect of gangsta rap triggering murder by black youths against each other--you injected white kids--I injected heavy metal. So what? |
Cynique
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Post Number: 12057
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, April 13, 2008 - 03:24 pm: |
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I injected white kids because the question arises as to whether or not it's the music or the race that contributes to the problem. Since I was not totally disasgreeing with what Alicia Keys said, I posed that question to reinforce her argument. |
Tonya
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Post Number: 6977
Registered: 07-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, April 13, 2008 - 03:41 pm: |
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I guess if the 50 Cents of the world were not around Keyes and Badu would have more sales...
Oh, I get it, Alicia schemin' on a plan to take this brother down and get paid is what you are saying, LOLOLOL! ....Can't say it ain't hustlin!
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A_womon
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Post Number: 2232
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Votes: 3 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, April 13, 2008 - 03:42 pm: |
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that doesn't reinforce her argument it dilutes it because you are espousing a view that casts doubt on her stance that it is the music, which is the basis of her argument. |
Cynique
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Post Number: 12059
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, April 13, 2008 - 03:44 pm: |
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That's not true. I said white kids rarely do drive bys. Black kids do them regularly because they are caught up in the gang culture which rap music glorifies, - the argument which Alicia Keys is making. |
A_womon
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, April 13, 2008 - 03:51 pm: |
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yes you said that but you also said you posed about white kids because the question arises whether or not its race or music that is the cause...if it could be race and not music, then it dilutes Keys argument. |
Cynique
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Post Number: 12060
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, April 13, 2008 - 03:57 pm: |
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I didn't state that it was race. That was a rhetorical question which I asked, because the obvious answer is that it is race. |
A_womon
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, April 13, 2008 - 04:05 pm: |
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If you look at the statistics for mexicans and puerto ricans who have committed drive by killings in numbers that rival blacks then you cannot make the argument that it is race if youcontribute the cause of drive bys by blacks to race only. |
Cynique
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Post Number: 12061
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, April 13, 2008 - 04:12 pm: |
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I didn't attribute it to race only. The gang lifestyle if an out growth of the culture of the underclasses of which there are a disproportionate amount of black people. |
Cynique
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Post Number: 12062
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, April 13, 2008 - 04:14 pm: |
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Should be "is" instead of "if". |
A_womon
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, April 13, 2008 - 04:24 pm: |
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You're right, the gang lifestyle is an outgrowth of the culture of the underclasses- but latinos and mexicans now rival, if not outnumber, blacks in gang related violence. I watched a special on the latino gang I think their name was Insane Gangster Disciples or something like that and the violence and drive by killings they were committing against one another was through the roof. This is not reported in the media as black gang violence against blacks is. This is why I take acception to the phrase black on black crime. No other race's crimes against themselves gets categorized this way. So why do black people continue to accept this? And use it against ourselves? |
Cynique
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, April 13, 2008 - 04:30 pm: |
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Because we have a vested interest in stopping our young people from killing each other and calling attention to it focuses on the problem better. |
Ntfs_encryption
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Post Number: 3081
Registered: 10-2005
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Votes: 6 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, April 13, 2008 - 04:50 pm: |
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"Gangsta rap may be a contributing factor, but you have to ask why white kids who buy this type of music as much as black ones do, don't go around doing drive-bys on each other. Whoever put out the video game Grand Theft Auto, certainly has to share in the blame. For black kids, the gang becomes their family and they conform to the protocol of the group, losing respect for the value of life, in the process. IMO."
I agree. Mexicans and Asian gangs also have very long generational convoluted histories. But as far as Alicia Keys is concerned, I was very disappointed to hear her spewing one of the (many) trendy helpless victimization Negro conspiracies. I saw her on Tyra Banks show this past week. Although I have no personal use whatsoever for the enterainment industry, celebrities, rappers, etc, I was over a friends house when her Tyra's show came on. So I had no choice. Anyway, Alicia Keys is a stunningly attractive and talented young woman. Although she is not a gifted vocalist, she is very talented and creative (she can read, write and compose music and play an instrument -nonexistent in the rap industry) and has developed a very engaging style which I do like. With that said, unfortunately, her talent does not extend to common sense nor making intelligent commentary.
Why are black people (and they are the only selectively singled out group that is under constant siege of grandiose race conspiracies) seen as innocent helpless pious victims who lack the genetics to do anything wrong or make personal decisions without some unseen malevolent entity (the white man or the US government) pulling strings and stealthily manipulating them? Why do Negroes believe they are helpless marionettes being maneuvered and coerced into indulging in pernicious behavior against their natural will by the white man? And why do Negroes have minds (and they are the only group to unwittingly subscribe to this thinking) that are liken to blank hard drives, waiting to be loaded with an OS and do the biding of the programmer (e.g. the white man)? Any perceived pathology or bad behavior in black America, is seen as the result of some outside hostile force (again -the white man or US government), relentlessly bent of destroying or throwing black folks into disarray.
Alicia should stick to creating and playing music. Something she is good at. Her regurgitating tired ass Willie Lynch styled mythical race conspiracies only diminishes her image and leaves questions about her intelligence -not enhance it.
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Cynique
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, April 13, 2008 - 06:10 pm: |
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I don't think that there is actually an organized conspiracy formed for the purpose of brainwashing black kids with Rap music. For one thing, as Troy said, gangs existed before Rap music came on the scene. But as I noted, Rap is "art Imitating life" and is music that glorifies and perpetuates the gangsta lifestyle.
And, yes, I've noticed that Alicia Keyes has become a little full of herself, lately. She's certainly not an original thinker. People have been advancing this tired ol conspiracy theory about record companies being part of a Grand Plan to destroy black men for years, and she acts if she is making some brilliant new revelation.
IMO, these companies are not part of conspiracy; they are just run by greedy, unscrupulous business men who recognize a cash cow when they see one and exploit it. Alicia Keyes obviously has good intentions when she tries to out these people who are a negative force in the black community. |
Nels
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, April 13, 2008 - 09:11 pm: |
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Gangsta rap was driven by nothing but the sheer greed of the Jewish-run record industry. When black record producers finally got a little toe hold in the business, the real "milk" had already been sucked out of the prize. |
Ferociouskitty
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I keep hoping she was misquoted or something. The comment just seemed so random and very counter to the "voice" she's put forth in the media previously.
And amen to what NTFS said about black people and conspiracy theories/brainwashing. |
Yvettep
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, April 14, 2008 - 10:33 am: |
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I'll have to process this a little, and take the time to actually read the links. But right now I am just confused. For example, what is this about: sporting a gold AK-47 pendant around her neck...? So, is she an agent in this ploy by continuing this love affair with one of the most violent weapons ever created? Was this an attempt at irony? Is she just clueless?
For now I will give her a pass. This sounds like the kind of thing many young people go through when they begin to read about aspects of history they had not known about and that totally undermines much of what they had believed. They do not yet have enough information or life experience to incorporate this new stuff into a broader context or to critically reflect about it. So an easy way to give cohesiveness to this new knowledge is to fold it into stock conspiracy dramas...
Maybe that's what is going on with her. |
Ferociouskitty
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, April 14, 2008 - 11:33 am: |
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I'll have to process this a little, and take the time to actually read the links. But right now I am just confused. For example, what is this about: sporting a gold AK-47 pendant around her neck...? So, is she an agent in this ploy by continuing this love affair with one of the most violent weapons ever created? Was this an attempt at irony? Is she just clueless?
And you call yourself a student of history, Dr. Perry? I'm going to need you to keep up...
See, the AK-47 is for The Pigs, The Man, aka Whitey. And this usage is socially and politically legitimate, nay, necessary.
However...when black folks use these same weapons to kill black folks (with the exception of candidates for Drop Squad), it is Whitey's fault because he brainwashed said black folk into killing each other.
HTH. |
Cynique
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, April 14, 2008 - 12:35 pm: |
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Excellent and perceptive observations from both FK and Yvette. Nels is in his usual anti-smetic mode. LOL |
Chrishayden
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When her hip hop homies are through with her she'll be crossing over, which is what she probably ought to do anyway.
Alicia Keys sings Gershwin.
Alicia Keys duets with Barry Manilow.
Alicia keys sings Al Jolson.
Alicia Keys sings Old Negro Spirituals. |
Ferociouskitty
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, April 16, 2008 - 08:51 am: |
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http://www.comcast.net/music/articles/2008/04/11/People.Alicia.Keys/ |
Tonya
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, April 16, 2008 - 06:45 pm: |
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