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Robynmarie
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Username: Robynmarie
Post Number: 770
Registered: 04-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, April 12, 2008 - 07:06 pm: | 
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Way to win votes and influence folks, Senator Obama. Geez...Does Senator Obama think only small town folks covet guns and religion?
OBAMA: "But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. So it's not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."
Of course HRC and the GOP jumped all over this. When are pols gonna learn you can't say in public what you can say around your friends and family? Even if it is true.
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Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 12046
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, April 12, 2008 - 09:52 pm: |
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It's like, if you give Obama enough rope, he will hang himself. |
Urban_scribe
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Post Number: 690
Registered: 05-2006
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, April 12, 2008 - 10:16 pm: |
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It seems to me that Hillary & Co. are jumping all over BO for not being "tactful" because they can't refute his facts.
They're making a strawman argument; trying to get voters to focus on how he said it, his phraseology, his lack of political correctness, to remove focus from the validity and accuracy of what he said. |
Libralind2
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Post Number: 1037
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, April 12, 2008 - 11:11 pm: |
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What Urban said...
LiLi |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 12048
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, April 12, 2008 - 11:22 pm: |
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Obviously truth has no place in this campaign. That's why the momentum keeps shifting between Hill and Barak. It's all about who can do the best job of twisting what the other candidate says. Can we say: "politics".  |
Robynmarie
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Post Number: 771
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, April 12, 2008 - 11:53 pm: |
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Bingo, Cynique! That's exactly why HRC is still in the race. She seems to be waiting for Senator Obama to dig a hole he can't climb out from...not sure if that will happen or not.
It is not how or what Senator Obama said, but who he said it to. If he was really about "telling the truth" he would have made his comments to the small town folk he was talking about. Instead, he was speaking to a group of weathy, evidently clueless supporters in Marin County (the media is calling it San Francisco- big difference)
Besides small town folks aren't the only ones who are addicted to guns. There are plenty of firearms in San Francisco too.
Slightly off topic, but is it true Tavis Smiley is leaving the Tom Joyner show because of Obama supporters? |
Cynique
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Post Number: 12049
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, April 13, 2008 - 12:02 am: |
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Tavis has left the show. Speculation is open as to why. It is rumored that Tavis has never forgiven Obama for snubbing his annual State of Black America event. |
A_womon
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Post Number: 2223
Registered: 05-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, April 13, 2008 - 05:33 am: |
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Talking about telling the truth...old Hill still hiding that old tax form. This speaks volumes about how her and old Bill "truly" operate. |
Urban_scribe
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Post Number: 691
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, April 13, 2008 - 09:58 am: |
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The Clintons released their tax info on April 4, 2008. It didn't receive much media attention, though. They make A LOT of money; some say TOO much.
From 2000-2007, combined, they earned $109.2 million. BClinton earned $29,580,525 just from his book income. HClinton earned $10,457,083 from her book income. They gave $10.2 million to charity, and paid $33.8 million in taxes. Bill's speeches pulled in another $51,855,599. Hilary's senator salary is $1,051,606, and Bill's presidential pension is $1,217,250.
By comparison, the Obamas are paupers. In 2006, the Obamas earned slightly under $984,000; the Clintons earned slightly over $16 million that same year.
Here's one link I was able find, but it doesn't have the breakdown charts: http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080404/clinton_taxes.html?.v=1
I can't dig any deeper today for the charts I came across over a week ago. I'm on my way to a christening.
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Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 6981
Registered: 07-2006
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, April 13, 2008 - 05:20 pm: |
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Unless there is a colossal difference between "bitter"ness and "resentment"--like there is apparently between the words "denounce" and "reject"--Barack has indeed had this very conversation in front of working-class and poor rural and urban down-to-earth realistic sensible people. In the speech last month, he talked about white "anger" their "resentment", how feelings like those are often expressed in America's Black churches, a place where he admitted to going himself during periods of economic upheaval and racial strife. The kind caused by political shenanigans of "a Washington dominated by lobbyists and special interests". It is his "faith", he said--in God and the American people--which he draws from, for inspiration assurance & strength in these tuff times:
[Excerpts] Barack Obama’s Speech on Race
http://www.thumperscorner.com/discus/messages/179/35289.html?1205946162
But for all those who scratched and clawed their way to get a piece of the American Dream, there were many who didn’t make it – those who were ultimately defeated, in one way or another, by discrimination. That legacy of defeat was passed on to future generations – those young men and increasingly young women who we see standing on street corners or languishing in our prisons, without hope or prospects for the future. Even for those blacks who did make it, questions of race, and racism, continue to define their worldview in fundamental ways. For the men and women of Reverend Wright’s generation, the memories of humiliation and doubt and fear have not gone away; nor has the anger and the bitterness of those years. That anger may not get expressed in public, in front of white co-workers or white friends. But it does find voice in the barbershop or around the kitchen table. At times, that anger is exploited by politicians, to gin up votes along racial lines, or to make up for a politician’s own failings.
And occasionally it finds voice in the church on Sunday morning, in the pulpit and in the pews. The fact that so many people are surprised to hear that anger in some of Reverend Wright’s sermons simply reminds us of the old truism that the most segregated hour in American life occurs on Sunday morning. That anger is not always productive; indeed, all too often it distracts attention from solving real problems; it keeps us from squarely facing our own complicity in our condition, and prevents the African-American community from forging the alliances it needs to bring about real change. But the anger is real; it is powerful; and to simply wish it away, to condemn it without understanding its roots, only serves to widen the chasm of misunderstanding that exists between the races.
In fact, a similar anger exists within segments of the white community. Most working- and middle-class white Americans don’t feel that they have been particularly privileged by their race. Their experience is the immigrant experience – as far as they’re concerned, no one’s handed them anything, they’ve built it from scratch. They’ve worked hard all their lives, many times only to see their jobs shipped overseas or their pension dumped after a lifetime of labor. They are anxious about their futures, and feel their dreams slipping away; in an era of stagnant wages and global competition, opportunity comes to be seen as a zero sum game, in which your dreams come at my expense. So when they are told to bus their children to a school across town; when they hear that an African American is getting an advantage in landing a good job or a spot in a good college because of an injustice that they themselves never committed; when they’re told that their fears about crime in urban neighborhoods are somehow prejudiced, resentment builds over time.
Like the anger within the black community, these resentments aren’t always expressed in polite company. But they have helped shape the political landscape for at least a generation. Anger over welfare and affirmative action helped forge the Reagan Coalition. Politicians routinely exploited fears of crime for their own electoral ends. Talk show hosts and conservative commentators built entire careers unmasking bogus claims of racism while dismissing legitimate discussions of racial injustice and inequality as mere political correctness or reverse racism.
Just as black anger often proved counterproductive, so have these white resentments distracted attention from the real culprits of the middle class squeeze – a corporate culture rife with inside dealing, questionable accounting practices, and short-term greed; a Washington dominated by lobbyists and special interests; economic policies that favor the few over the many. And yet, to wish away the resentments of white Americans, to label them as misguided or even racist, without recognizing they are grounded in legitimate concerns – this too widens the racial divide, and blocks the path to understanding.
This is where we are right now. It’s a racial stalemate we’ve been stuck in for years. Contrary to the claims of some of my critics, black and white, I have never been so naďve as to believe that we can get beyond our racial divisions in a single election cycle, or with a single candidacy – particularly a candidacy as imperfect as my own.
But I have asserted a firm conviction – a conviction rooted in my faith in God and my faith in the American people – that working together we can move beyond some of our old racial wounds, and that in fact we have no choice is we are to continue on the path of a more perfect union. |
Nels
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Post Number: 1120
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, April 13, 2008 - 08:44 pm: |
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Cynique --
"It's like, if you give Obama enough rope, he will hang himself."
Be original, will ya. But then again, if you can't see the forest for the trees, we'll all try to understand.
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Nels
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Post Number: 1121
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Barack is telling the truth, and unfortunately, America doesn't want to hear the truth. And furthermore, Hillary has solidified her irrelevance in this entire campaign by jumping on an issue that is only an "issue" in the eyes of the media. |
Cynique
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Post Number: 12065
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I certainly didn't think I "originated" the old saying I applied to Obama's growing habit of "puttin his foot in his mouth", Nels. Needless to say, however, I thought it was an apt observation. And I'm trying to figure out how your cliche of "not being able to see the trees for the forest" applies to this situation. Or do you seem to be aware of how many times telling the "truth" has had consequences in this political dog fight.
Of course, if "wishing would make it so", folks like you wouldn't have to worry about the gaffes the Obama camp makes, hoping the media and Hillary are the only ones who are bothered by it.
Me, I continue to worry about how both Democratic candidates are providing good material for their foes to use against them in the general election when they are trying to lure dumb white voters into the Republican camp.
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Robynmarie
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Username: Robynmarie
Post Number: 772
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, April 13, 2008 - 10:21 pm: |
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Poor Tavis.
He always tried to represent, but folks turned on him because he dared question Senator Obama. Tavis has been known to quit a job in a heartbeat. He left CNN for NPR and left NPR for whoever he is broadcasting with now. I am sure he will be back on the the networks or radio soon. He is at least as knowledgeable as Roland Martin. :rolleyes:
Tavis is handsome and very intelligent. |
Cynique
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Post Number: 12068
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, April 13, 2008 - 10:35 pm: |
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To me, Tavis is a "word-smith" like Michael Eric Dyson, but he isn't as self-absorbed. |
Chrishayden
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Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 6581
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It's the truth, but nobody wants to hear the truth.
This is America--they can't handle the truth.
Now I know why Ronnie Rayguns used to always talk in platitudes.
The problem is this is becoming a pattern. The brother does not know what weight the words of a Presidential candidate have. He is constantly speaking, it seems, off the top of his head.
He's tired. And he thinks he got it sewed up. And he believes all that shit them white folks told him at Harvard about being brilliant.
If he makes it past this one he should start speaking from written notes. |
Chrishayden
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Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 6582
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, April 14, 2008 - 12:46 pm: |
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He always tried to represent, but folks turned on him because he dared question Senator Obama.
(Tried to represent what? He tried to be Black and he tried to be Johnny Carson at the same time. If he was white he could be an anchorman, he's so brainless and shallow) |
Robynmarie
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Post Number: 773
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, April 14, 2008 - 03:39 pm: |
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LOL @CH!!^^watta hater!  |
Robynmarie
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Post Number: 774
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, April 14, 2008 - 03:58 pm: |
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In fairness to Senator Obama, he was speaking at a closed door fundraiser. Why one of his own donors would rat him out is beyond me...to the Huffington Post no less.
Much worse was Michelle Obama complaining about how hard it is to afford child care and piano lessons to a group of moms in Iowa.
And tell me why again, the Obamas were way in their forties before they paid off their student loans? |
Chrishayden
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Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 6588
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, April 14, 2008 - 04:56 pm: |
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In fairness to Senator Obama, he was speaking at a closed door fundraiser. Why one of his own donors would rat him out is beyond me..
(There are no closed doors and everybody who says they is with ya ain't--what happened to Jesus, huh?
Plus Rush Limbaugh and the right wingers have urged Republicans to pose as Democrats and stir up trouble--Operation Chaos) |
Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 6999
Registered: 07-2006
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 15, 2008 - 03:04 pm: |
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We gonna take Tavis and the Reverend to the woodshed..
...and beat the F\UCK outta them till they bleed.
I love them both to death. I would smoke them some baloney and grits in a New York minute. But they gôn HUSH THE HELL UP FOR NOW.
We'll beat the Black off them for now then we Will do the electric slide when everthing is all done.
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