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Nels
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Post Number: 1099
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http://www.counterpunch.org/wise03182008.html
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Crystal
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An interesting outcome of this election campaign is that some white folks are finally starting to see how we really feel.
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Nels
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Agreed. |
Nels
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One more thing... If the anti-Obama side of the (media pundit and talking head) machine gets its way, White America will have snatched disaster from the jaws of ignorance. Why white folks are so gullible, no one really knows.
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Cynique
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If a little green man from Mars landed on the planet and beamed himself over to the USA and closely observed the scene here, he'd conclude that although there are exceptions to the rule, in general, Black Americans harbor deep resentment towards white people, and White Americans are simmering with anxious suspicion about black people.
Maybe with his superior intelligence this outer space alien could calculate whether or not this situation will ever change. Me, I'd say "no."  |
Tonya
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I think part of it is that the white elites aren’t exactly excited about airing the utter redneck ignorance of their resentful white brethrens. They aren’t as eager to "air the dirty laundry" as others have been; which is clear.
...Strategic? Shamefulness? Both? I don’t know.
I’m not a classist idiot or a suck/f*ck-up, so...shrugs...I don’t know |
Tonya
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, March 21, 2008 - 02:48 pm: |
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3 more noteworthy comments/perspectives:
Comment by Molefi Kete Asante, Professor,
African American Studies, Temple U.
Barack Obama at Constitution Center:
A Historic Encounter with America -
Mar 20, 2008
Obama's address at the Constitution Center in Philadelphia will take its place alongside the great addresses in American history. One thinks of Lincoln at Gettysburg, Frederick Douglass on the Fourth of July in Rochester, Booker T. Washington at the Atlanta Exposition in 1895, John F. Kennedy's Inaugural Address, Martin Luther King in 1963, and perhaps five or six other speeches that have elevated the best instincts in the American nation, when one considers Barack Obama's address on the 18th of March, 2008. The speech was remarkable for its judicious and careful use of language and its perfect tone for the occasion. He not only answered questions regarding his relationship with his imperfect pastor, he told us of his own imperfection, and that of his grandmother whom he loves and admires. I am not so much struck by the fact that Obama spoke on the question of race; I am particularly astonished that he did not speak like a politician, but like an ordinary human grappling with the complexities of historical racism in America and what it has done to the American psyche. This was a courageous, audacious, and brilliant exposition of the type we have come not to expect of our politicians. Barack Obama raised the ante, exalted the thinking of the political arena and showed us what a presidential address could look like if a person was bold enough to tread and lead where others refused to go. I am sure that the Constitution Center speech will be studied, cited, and referred to for many years to come.
http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/ezraklein_archive?month=03&year=2008&base_nam e=not_gonna_say_it
Ezra Klein is a staff writer at The American Prospect. His work has appeared in the LA Times, The Guardian, The Washington Monthly, The New Republic, Slate, and more. He's a frequent guest on MSNBC's Hardball with Chris Matthews. He cooks a mean stir fry.
As the Daily Show clip I posted last night suggested, Barack Obama's speech on race didn't so much open a conversation on race as it furthered chatter about the campaign. Which is a pity. But read EJ Dionne today for some of the commentary that we should be hearing. He recalls that Martin Luther King Jr.'s preaching was also laced with anger towards White America, and towards much of American policy, but that these elements of his philosophy came out in black churches, not the public square. Similarly, Wright's words were in front of a black audience. What people are so afraid of in "an honest conversation about race" is that, when you drop the constraints of courtesy, when a pleasant interaction is no longer the overriding imperative, that you'll find anger, despair, and dissent. We've been pretty good about banishing overt racial anger or hatred from the public square, but a side effect has been that we've suppressed the whole of the conversation.
America tells itself a story about its history with race, and the story is that it has a history with race, abuses that were long ago corrected by brave civil rights reformers and courageous politicians. But there's a present with race, too. We're just much better at ignoring it. And it's a tremendous indictment of our media that, given an opportunity, to push forward on that discussion, they made an affirmative decision to focus back in on the campaign. You wonder if Wolf Blitzer and Candy Crowley and all the rest got into journalism believing that, one day, they would decide to suppress a potentially historic and important conversation on race in order to talk about polling.
Another Angry Black Preacher
By E. J. Dionne Jr.
Op-Ed Columnist
Washington Post
Friday, March 21, 2008; Page A17
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/20/AR2008032003021. html |
Ntfs_encryption
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".....he'd conclude that although there are exceptions to the rule, in general, Black Americans harbor deep resentment towards white people, and White Americans are simmering with anxious suspicion about black people."
Excellent deduction. I agree. I've heard blacks spew mindless racist rhetoric and fantastic conspiracy theories. And as you have noted, a number of whites have irrational fears and deep rooted historical dislike for blacks regardless of their (blacks) socioeconomic, educational or personal achievements. Just having black skin meets the criteria for their scorn and loathing. No other requirements are necessary.
I recall during the aftermath of OJ trial listening to AM right wing radio talk shows. It was an ideal opportunity for a number of whites to vent their racist venom and longstanding dislike of blacks. I'm not naive or ignorant to white racism but I was somewhat taken back by the volume of racist rants and the total lack of confronting some of the rank stupidity of the callers by the talk show hosts. It was not that long ago and I'm sure most of those white bigots are still around. It was like listening to a Mississippi White Citizens Council meeting of the 1960's.
"Maybe with his superior intelligence this outer space alien could calculate whether or not this situation will ever change. Me, I'd say "no." "
Unfortunately, I think you are right. Although things have changed quite a bit, there is still a rift between black and white America. It's not one sided by any means and I don't see a seriously widespread effort on either side to close the gap.
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Chrishayden
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he'd conclude that although there are exceptions to the rule, in general, Black Americans harbor deep resentment towards white people, and White Americans are simmering with anxious suspicion about black people.
(I disagree in part. I think Black Americans harbor deep resentment towards white people SOMETIMES, but on the whole they mostly don't. It's just that when there is a racist incident it blows up because it is one more straw piled on top of a haystack 500 years high.
I think, on the whole, Black people like white folks. That's why they get so bent out of shape when white folks mistreat them.
White people do not think about us most of the time. I think, as individuals, most of them approach us fairly--or as fair as they can be.
It is when they are in groupthink that they go caveman on us) |
Chrishayden
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, March 22, 2008 - 10:55 am: |
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I recall during the aftermath of OJ trial listening to AM right wing radio talk shows. It was an ideal opportunity for a number of whites to vent their racist venom and longstanding dislike of blacks. I'm not naive or ignorant to white racism but I was somewhat taken back by the volume of racist rants and the total lack of confronting some of the rank stupidity of the callers by the talk show hosts
(It was bound to elicit those reactions.It fit right into the Black rapist killing the white woman paradigm. They wouldn't have gotten as upset if OJ had been charged with killing a white man--needless to say if it had been a black man or woman.
See how Jews got in on it because Goldman was involved.
In fairness to white folks, I must say that one third of them thought he was innocent. I thought that was pretty good for America) |
Chrishayden
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, March 22, 2008 - 11:02 am: |
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Great Post, Nels.
"You can't handle the truth!" Jack Nicholson railed in a few good men.
Everybody quotes this and nobody admits that this is the American Way. Lying. Obfuscation. Play acting. Fantasizing.
Perhaps it is inevitable in a country where everybody is from someplace else and everbody here is pretending he's an Englishman.
How can you be the Leader of the World and you cannot process Reality? |
Cynique
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, March 22, 2008 - 01:05 pm: |
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If what you describe isn't black folks harboring deep resentments, I don't know what is, chrishayden. Black resentment lies dormant in the black psyche just waiting for white folks to arouse it. I'd agree, however, that a lot of this resentment has it roots in white rejection. You just let this article by a self-flagellating white man placate you.
White Americans are more patriotic than black ones. Patriots place love of country over love of truth. There's nothing new about this. |
Chrishayden
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 24, 2008 - 10:10 am: |
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White Americans are more patriotic than black ones.
(How the hell can you say that and Negroes fought and died in wars for this country when they couldn't use the same TOILET as white people?)
If what you describe isn't black folks harboring deep resentments, I don't know what is, chrishayden
(Cynique. You was married. I'm sure you said things to your husband, and he said things to you, that you meant at the time but when the storm blew over you forgot about it and it was back to business.
If black folks resented white folks we would be dead and on reservations because we'd have attacked them every chance we got.
Looks like you don't know as much about white folks as I thought--) |
Cynique
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Puleeze. Just because guys are drafted and have no choice but to go to war and fight doesn't mean that they are patriotic. Blacks want to love America but since they are her stepchildren, they don't tend to get choked up when they hear the national anthem or see the America flag waving. I am not convinced they feel about this country the same of white people do, chrishayden. Why do you think what Jeremiah Wright said didn't offend them?
You don't seem to understand that resentment can be kept under control. It flares up when it is ignited. Looks like you don't know as much about Blacks as you think. In a country whose seams are laced with racism, why wouldn't people who are kept check by this racism not harbor resentment. And the way YOU rag on Moonsigns every time she dares to express an opinion is just another example of how you talk out of both sides of your mouth. So STFU.
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Chrishayden
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Post Number: 6499
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 24, 2008 - 11:55 am: |
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Just because guys are drafted and have no choice but to go to war and fight doesn't mean that they are patriotic.
(Negro please--In the Revolutionary WAr, War of 1812,Civil WAr, Indian Wars, Spanish American War all them VOLUNTEERED.
There was a large proportion of volunteers during WWI and II (The Black Eagles? Ever heard of them? And in Korea and Vietnam there were large numbers of long serving professionals--like Colin Powell.
You don't know history, either?)
You don't seem to understand that resentment can be kept under control. It flares up when it is ignited
(How would you know about it?) |
Cynique
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 24, 2008 - 12:17 pm: |
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Get real. For some folks joining the military is career choice, and for others its a practical option. In any case, love of one's country is not the prime motivation. Veterans are the recipients of good benefits and during WWII guys joined up because they didn't want to be "4-F jodies". Others just have a warrior mentality. It ain't got nothin to do with patriotism. Why are not great numbers of young black guys joining up to "fight for their country" in Iraq. BTW, what branch of the service did you volunteer for, Chris "Nathan Hale" Hayden???
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