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Tonya
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The Associated Press
Friday, February 8, 2008
SEATTLE: A distasteful comment about Chelsea Clinton by an MSNBC newsman could imperil Hillary Rodham Clinton's participation in future presidential debates on the cable television news network, a Clinton spokesman said Firday.
In a conference call with reporters, Clinton communications director Howard Wolfson excoriated MSNBC's David Shuster for suggesting Thursday that the Clinton campaign had "pimped out" 27-year old Chelsea by having her place phone calls to Democratic Party superdelegates on her mother's behalf.
Wolfson called the comment "beneath contempt" and disgusting. The phrase "pimped out" traditionally refers to prostitution.
"I, at this point, can't envision a scenario where we would continue to engage in debates on that network," he added.
MSNBC said Shuster, who apologized on the air for his comment, has been temporarily suspended from appearing on all NBC news broadcasts except to offer his apology.
"NBC News takes these matters seriously, and offers our sincere regrets to the Clintons for the remarks," MSNBC spokesman Jeremy Gaines said, adding the network was hopeful the debate would take place as planned.
Hillary Clinton and her chief rival Barack Obama are locked in a tight nomination race which could be decided by so-called superdelegates — members of Congress, governors and other party leaders who are not selected in primaries and caucuses, and who are also free to change their minds before the party's national nominating convention this summer.
Clinton and Obama are scheduled to participate in an MSNBC debate Feb. 26 from Ohio, which holds its primary March 4. The Clinton campaign has pushed hard for as many debates as possible with Obama, but Wolfson said the Feb. 26 debate could be jeopardized.
Wolfson pointed to what he called a pattern of tasteless comments by MSNBC anchors about the Clinton campaign. Weeks ago, Chris Matthews, host of the "Hardball" political news show, apologized to the former first lady after suggesting her political career had been made possible by her husband's philandering.
MSNBC has apologized on-air for Shuster's remark, but Wolfson said neither Chelsea nor Sen. Clinton had received a phone call offering a personal apology.
Shuster told The Associated Press he has tried to reach Clinton to apologize.
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Tonya
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Baltimore Sun
by James Oliphant, and updated
Here's the full exchange between Shuster and Democratic pundit Bill Press:
DAVID SHUSTER: Bill, there's just something a little bit unseemly to me that Chelsea's out there calling up celebrities, saying support my mom, and she's apparently also calling these super delegates.
BILL PRESS: Hey, she's working for her mom. What's unseemly about that? During the last campaign, the Bush twins were out working for their dad. I think it's great, I think she's grown up in a political family, she's got politics in her blood, she loves her mom, she thinks she'd make a great president --
SHUSTER: But doesn't it seem like Chelsea's sort of being pimped out in some weird sort of way?
Shuster reportedly has apologized, but Wolfson said today on a conference call with reporters that that wasn't good enough. "I havent received any phone call. I'm not familiar with any apology," Wolfson said. "Look, I think the comment is disgusting. Its beneath contempt. It’s the kind of thing that should never be said on a national news network."
Wolfson suggested that the campaign might retailiate against MSNBC by no longer agreeing to any further debates sponsored by the cable network. He also wondered if perhaps there is something anti-Clinton in the water. Last month, Chris Matthews apologized after suggesting Hillary Clinton benefitted because of how she was treated by her husband.
"I think at some point you have to question whether there is a pattern here at this particular network," he said. "Is this part of a pattern? Is this something folks are encouraged to do or not do?"
Update: Shuster apologized this morning, saying "last night, I used a phrase -- some slang about her efforts. ... [T]o the extent that people feel I was being pejorative, I apologize for that. I should have seen that people might view it that way, and for that, then I'm sorry." He is also expected to apologize again tonight on the Tucker program.
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2008/02/clinton_camp_upset_ov er_chelsa.html |
Robynmarie
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Tonya-
Have you read this? It is an email being sent around co-signed by Chelsea Clinton. It is way long, so click on the link to read it all.
Goodbye To All That (#2) by Robin Morgan
February 2, 2008“
Goodbye To All That” was my (in)famous 1970 essay breaking free from a politics of accommodation especially affecting women (for an online version, see http://blog.fair-use.org/category/chicago/).
During my decades in civil-rights, anti-war, and contemporary women’s movements, I’ve avoided writing another specific “Goodbye . . .” But not since the suffrage struggle have two communities—joint conscience-keepers of this country—been so set in competition, as the contest between Hillary Rodham Clinton (HRC) and Barack Obama (BO) unfurls. So.
Goodbye to the double standard . . .
—Hillary is too ballsy but too womanly, a Snow Maiden who’s emotional, and so much a politician as to be unfit for politics.
—She’s “ambitious” but he shows “fire in the belly.” (Ever had labor pains?)—When a sexist idiot screamed “Iron my shirt!” at HRC, it was considered amusing; if a racist idiot shouted “Shine my shoes!” at BO, it would’ve inspired hours of airtime and pages of newsprint analyzing our national dishonor.
—Young political Kennedys—Kathleen, Kerry, and Bobby Jr.—all endorsed Hillary. Senator Ted, age 76, endorsed Obama. If the situation were reversed, pundits would snort “See? Ted and establishment types back her, but the forward-looking generation backs him.” (Personally, I’m unimpressed with Caroline’s longing for the Return of the Fathers. Unlike the rest of the world, Americans have short memories. Me, I still recall Marilyn Monroe’s suicide, and a dead girl named Mary Jo Kopechne in Chappaquiddick.)
Goodbye to the toxic viciousness . . .
Carl Bernstein's disgust at Hillary’s “thick ankles.” Nixon-trickster Roger Stone’s new Hillary-hating 527 group, “Citizens United Not Timid” (check the capital letters). John McCain answering “How do we beat the •••••?" with “Excellent question!” Would he have dared reply similarly to “How do we beat the black bastard?” For shame.
Goodbye to the HRC nutcracker with metal spikes between splayed thighs. If it was a tap-dancing blackface doll, we would be righteously outraged—and they would not be selling it in airports. Shame.
Goodbye to the most intimately violent T-shirts in election history, including one with the murderous slogan “If Only Hillary had married O.J. Instead!” Shame.
Goodbye to Comedy Central’s “Southpark” featuring a storyline in which terrorists secrete a bomb in HRC’s vagina. I refuse to wrench my brain down into the gutter far enough to find a race-based comparison. For shame.
Goodbye to the sick, malicious idea that this is funny. This is not “Clinton hating,” not “Hillary hating.” This is sociopathic woman-hating. If it were about Jews, we would thoughtful, and I’m bloodied from eight years of a jolly “uniter” with ejaculatory politics. I needn’t agree with her on every point. I agree with the 97 percent of her positions that are identical with Obama’s—and the few where hers are both more practical and to the left of his (like health care). I support her because she’s already smashed the first-lady stereotype and made history as a fine senator, because I believe she will continue to make history not only as the first US woman president, but as a great US president.
As for the “woman thing”?
Me, I’m voting for Hillary not because she’s a woman—but because I am.
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Cynique
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This is the problem I have. It's the tone of the campaign. I like Obama and I admire Hillary and my sense of fairness rears up at the way people rake her over the coals. They could never get away with doing and saying about Obama what they say about Hillary, much of which is hearsay and unfounded. Nobody would dare talk about Obama's wife or his kids or his manhood. There's something unhealthy about the vitriol aimed at this woman who Republicans have a vendetta against, something childish about the blind hate Obama supporters harbor for her. IMO. Come election time, if Obama doesn't get the nod, I'm voting for ol Hil. Screw McCain. |
Robynmarie
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http://www.womensmediacenter.com/ex/020108.html
Link to Robin Morgan's complete essay.
Cynique- I totally agree with you. I too admire Senator Obama for what he has achieved thus far. Too bad, though, that he is a black version of the kind of candidate the Dems always nominate-elitist, distant, visionary, ie Bill Bradley, Al Gore, John Kerry. The kind the GOP mop the floor with.
Hillary is a fighter, and maybe because she is a woman she has to appear tough. I respect Hillary for another reason: she is a hero to working men and women. Who would have thought it? |
Chrishayden
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This is the problem I have. It's the tone of the campaign.
(BOOHOOOHOOO! I suppose Osama Bin Laden will have to modify his language now. Call her "M'am". I suppose Putin will have to back off now because it wouldn't be fair to put pressure on a woman.
You idiot. She is going to have to swim in the same water as a man or she ain't fit.
Her fat ankles, her fat ass, her fat head, all these are fair game. You wanted this.
If she gets in the progress of women will be back 100 years.
They could never get away with doing and saying about Obama what they say about Hillary
(So she's weak and inferior to a man. She can't stand the pressure.
She brought this on herself.) |
Cynique
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You sound like your describing yourself, crissy, now that you've been outed as a wanna-be woman.
Of course, Obama foes could come up with a similar litany about him. But I love Obama. |
Yvettep
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Cynique, I am not sure where you are getting a sense of "blind hate" of Obama supporters towards Sen Clinton (except maybe a person or two on this board  ). In most circles I have visited the tone among Obama supporters is pretty positive, with a focus of pro-Obama as opposed to anti-Clinton. This started to change somewhat with some of the more recent negativity towards Obama. There has been a positive and necessary (IMO) re-visitation of former President Clinton's actual policies with regard to Black folks during his tenure.
I work on a college campus and so am particularly thrilled with the invigoration of young people. Here they have had a fire lit under them by the Obama campaign like I have never seen before. I hope this interest in and activism around the political process survives whatever happens in November and signals a more permanent state.
I find McCain's almost certain GOP bid quite an interesting twist in this whole thing. It may well be that a good chunk of die-hard conservatives will not rally behind him in order to make a statement to their party, and that a good chunk of independents and moderate Democrats will see his candidacy as an alternative to a Dem ticket that is not to their liking.
I've said it before and say it again: What an exciting election season! |
Cynique
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Well, I can't help but think that everything black people have against Hillary comes from the hate spewed by the vindictive white anti-Hillary crowd. Blacks may distill what the Hillary-haters say, but the average black person doesn't know that much about Hillary or do they care to find out because they are totally focused on voting for a black man and she becomes the enemy. And once again I say that if Al Sharpton was running, all of these starry-eyed white people would be nowhere to be found.
But - I love Obama!  |
Cynique
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Also, the subtle racist implications Blacks accuse Hillary of making, Hispanics accuse Obama of doing the same. All the candidates make missteps that can be misinterpreted.
But I love Obama. I also love truth. |
Tonya
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If Hillary were a man, she would have been declared the winner by now. Name me a democratic nominee that didn't take New Jersey, New York and California and some of the other states she carried. If Hillary were a man, none of this would be happening...not the coverage, not the blatant sexism, not the prolonging, none of it.
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Yvettep
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Why declare a "winner" at this point? Obama has a handful more delegates pledged at this point, with Clinton's superdelegate count pushing her ahead. As far as I am aware, no one has enough to clinch the nomination.
I think the process is better and more democratic--on either Dem or GOP side--when candidates still have to work, still have to go to each state and convince the people, and cannot assume they are the de facto nominee. |
Ntfs_encryption
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"If Hillary were a man, none of this would be happening....."
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