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Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 9830
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, January 20, 2008 - 11:37 am: | 
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Hillary can openly appeal to her most natural, surest voter, White women, WITHOUT offending and frightening the majority of other (mostly non-Black) potential voters. But if Obama openly appeals to his most natural, surest voter, Blacks, he most certainly will turn off many, if not MOST, Whites and many other non-Blacks, who outnumber Black voters 8:1. And there are many more White women than there are African Americans.
Those gives Hillary a decided advantage.
So now that race and gender have become prominent issues in the campaign, I think, alas, Obama's chances to win the nomination are dwindling.
But I also think that if Hillary wins the nomination and it is perceived by many Blacks that she won via playing the Helpless White woman versus the scary Black man game, some Black Democrats will vote Republican (especially if the GOP nominee has a decent record with Blacks) and MANY Blacks will avoid voting altogether.
So Hillary may win the battle yet lose the war. |
Cynique
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Post Number: 11228
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Votes: 4 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, January 20, 2008 - 12:54 pm: |
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What Blacks (or Whites) look upon Hillary as the "poor helpless white woman"???? They think HRC is either a scheming super b i t c h or a formidable super heroine.
What Whites look upon Obama as a "scarey black man"? His universal appeal is that he is intelligent, non-threatening and "likeable".
Who on the long list of Republican candidates will motivate Blacks to vote for more of the same??
People keep under-estimating the intelligence of black voters. Maybe the majority of them aren't the vindictive bunch of pouters some want to portray them as.
White Independents are who will have a great impact, and if they are truly Independents they will get it right. IMO.
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Abm
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Post Number: 9831
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Below is an interesting article that helps make my point.
SOURCE: http://www.suntimes.com/news/washington/739385,CST-EDT-laura14.article
Obama the target of dangerous code words
January 14, 2008
LAURA WASHINGTON LauraSWashington@aol.com
American politics has never been more uplifting than in 2008. The Democrats are running a rainbow race of their best and brightest.
Sen. Barack Obama is battling to become America's first black president. Sen. Hillary Clinton yearns to be the first woman in the White House. Both are viable and electable -- the first of their kind.
This nation was built on racism. Its economy blossomed from human cargo shuttled across the sea and sold into slavery. Our black ancestors were shackled, raped, brutalized. They were lynched, burned, bombed, hosed, executed.
We can't ignore our history. It is still with us. Kelly Tilghman, an anchor for the Golf Channel cable outlet, recently remarked on the air that younger golfers looking to beat golf star Tiger Woods could "lynch him in a back alley." Our women are called nappy-headed whores. Six black teens were terrorized by noose-bearing white youths deep in Jena, La.
The residue of our racial heritage is seeping into the presidential debate. Listen to these dangerous words:
Sen. Joe Biden noted that Obama was the first "mainstream" African-American candidate "who is articulate and bright and clean."
Clinton supporter and former Nebraska Sen. Bob Kerrey noted Obama's personal history in the Washington Post, singling out his full name: Barack "Hussein" Obama.
Bill Shaheen, a national co-chairman of Clinton's campaign, warned that Republicans would go after Obama for his admission of youthful drug use. "It'll be, 'When was the last time? Did you ever give drugs to anyone? Did you sell them to anyone?' "
Former President Bill Clinton suggested to PBS's Charlie Rose that Obama supporters were willing to "roll the dice" on an inexperienced candidate.
New York Attorney General Andrew Cuomo says of the presidential campaign: "It's not a TV-crazed race, you know, you can't just buy your way through that race. ... You can't shuck and jive at a press conference."
Their words raised hackles. Apologies followed. We like this Obama guy, they said. We meant no harm, they said. We were misunderstood, they said.
They may have meant one thing. But many will hear something else.
Obama is "the other." He is dangerous. He is hustling, criminal, back-alley black man.
Racial code words are not new to American politics. The Rev. Jesse Jackson joked about "Hymietown." George H.W. Bush trotted out Willie Horton. A campaign ad starred a Playboy-esque blond bombshell beckoning to Senate candidate Harold Ford. George Allen had his "macaca" moment.
This campaign must be different. Hillary Clinton's stunning New Hampshire upset last week came courtesy of her overactive tear ducts, the pundits say.
Obama had just beat Clinton --badly -- in Iowa. She is tired, defeated, maybe afraid.
At a New Hampshire coffee shop, a woman asked if she was OK. Clinton teared up, her voice quavered: "I have so many opportunities from this country, I just don't want to see us fall backward," she replied. "This is very personal for me -- it's not just political, it's not just public."
Listen to the words. "I just don't want to see us fall backward." Backward to what?
To that black man. That black man who beat Hillary. That black man who made the white woman cry.
White New Hampshire voters came to her rescue. Poor Hillary. Don't worry -- we will protect you. We will save you.
Our racial wounds are deep, their impact subliminal. Words have consequences. In these sensitive times, they can activate our most unconscious fears and tap the deepest recesses of our ugly history. Every black man in America knows it. Especially Barack Obama.
Listen to the words. |
Cynique
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Post Number: 11229
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Votes: 3 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, January 20, 2008 - 03:01 pm: |
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White people and black people both use code words to inflame and to obscure the issues. And the media is their ennabler, aided and abetted by the pollsters and the talking heads who thrive on controversy and good news copy.
Because Hillary showed emotion didn't make her a poor little white woman.
Because Barak is black male doesn't make him a Nat Turner.
This is political spinning and once again I think the intelligence of both black and white voters is being underestimated. They see through all of this and eventually become cynical enough to start thinking for themselves. IMO. |
Enchanted
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Post Number: 1145
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, January 20, 2008 - 04:53 pm: |
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Hillary will not win the general election an I will not vote fr her, I will supprt Huckbee, Romney or independent Im done with democrat paryt--I notice moss imigrants black refuse to join a party. |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 11231
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, January 20, 2008 - 05:21 pm: |
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Can Immigrants vote,"enchanted"?? And when did you add that status to your job description??  |
Enchanted
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Post Number: 1146
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, January 20, 2008 - 05:33 pm: |
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immigrant American citizens vote its over 10 million in the us DUH! an who sad I was immigrant? I dont vote for racists an the Clintons r racists fightng for control of there niggerstock |
Cynique
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Post Number: 11233
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, January 20, 2008 - 05:51 pm: |
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Are you talking about naturalized citizens? And how does a color-struck ditz like you know that Republicans Huckabee or Romney are not racists? STFU. |
Enchanted
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Post Number: 1148
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, January 20, 2008 - 06:05 pm: |
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hilary put the race bag on obama not republicans--she can parade her white azz in black church but not obama!? you niggerstock r trifling motherufkcers! you cant even supprt this boy fr PRIMARY SEASON on fukiing GP? FUKCKKK YOU! if he not goign to be the nominee then why not supprt Hilary LATER ON and giv him votes nwo? you dont even encouraj the childrne!!!!
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Enchanted
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Post Number: 1149
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, January 20, 2008 - 06:05 pm: |
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you hate black children! |
Nels
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, January 20, 2008 - 06:21 pm: |
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Cynique --
What Whites look upon Obama as a "scarey black man"
IMO, they don't see Barack as the "scary black man". Their real fear is that he's actually a black man who could win and might possibly do better in the White House than any other white-run administration has done in the history of the nation. That's what they're really scared of, him actually succeeding on exactly what he said he would do. They fear that if he succeeds, they could possibly loose (control of) the White House (and their "agenda" of self preservation) for the forseeable future. And even more ominous, with the growing minority population in the United States, they might never recapture the White House if minority candidates prove to be exceptionally successful. |
Nels
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, January 20, 2008 - 06:24 pm: |
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The Clinton's are in overdrive on playing the "race card". The sad part is that they're running around the country telling black America that it's not qualified or fit to run the country, and the dummys on the receiving end are buying it. How absurd.
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Cynique
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, January 20, 2008 - 06:38 pm: |
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You're entitled to your opinion, Nels. IMO, no president can wield the kind of power you envision. If Obama gets in there it will be business as usual. In fact, he might be more even more impotent than a white president. And the chances of Blacks, Asian and Hispanic minorities becoming allies is zilch. |
Cynique
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Post Number: 11238
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You're the one who hates black children, "enchanted", that's why you said you want your sons to marry light-skinned women. |
Yukio
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, January 20, 2008 - 07:02 pm: |
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Hmmm....Cynique, you speak of people underestimating voters, especially black voters, but black voters remained with the Republican party for seventy years and the Republi. did zilch for them, and now we have been with the Democrats since 1936(more or less), and the Democrats have done very little for us...it seems to me that the Andrew Youngs--in all of his misogyny--are responsible for many African Americans supporting the Clintons...there is a real conflict between Black Boomers and Generation Xers..., who are willing to going out anew in politics. We tried the Clintons, and experienced differently than your generation, how our friends and relatives are imprisoned, and female siblings, aunts, and godmothers are forced to work in the subways, public housing, and the like without job mobility and health insurance...
That older generation, not all of course but many, are still in that civil rights mode, that embrace of the black church leadership that united with liberal whites, especially those in federal government, during the 1960s.
Look at the Young, the misogynist. He became an ambassador for selling out on MLK during the Anti-Vietnam campaign. Yes, that negro and many other left King out to dry...they were very selective in their engagement with him . . . would fight for rights that were already theirs, but wouldn't call the U.S. imperialist like MLK had! |
Cynique
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Post Number: 11240
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, January 20, 2008 - 08:14 pm: |
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So are you suggesting that Blacks go back to voting Republican, Yukio? Are you implying that Democrats have not done anything for Blacks since 1936??
And are Blacks the only ones who have been sold short by occupants of the Oval office? The great American pass time is criticizing what a president hasn't done to serve the best interests of those doing the criticizing. Electing a president is always a case of the lesser of 2 evils. If George H.W. Bush had been re-elcted or if Bob Dole had won, I doubt if they would've served black interests any better than Bill Clinton did in his 2 terms.
The black middle class has grow by leaps and bounds over the years, so whoever is president does not impact that much on individuals who are fortunate enough to get the system to work for them. And altho it's a time-worn cliche, unfortunately, the poor will always be with us no matter who's in office.
Incidentally, all my old peers are staying ahead of the game collecting one or more pensions. So different circumstances produce different voters.
If Black folks want to embrace the Republican party, then let them do it. Either that, or get together and organize the "Bougetto" party I previously spoke of.  |
Enchanted
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Post Number: 1151
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, January 20, 2008 - 09:13 pm: |
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QUOTE NELS:IMO, they don't see Barack as the "scary black man". Their real fear is that he's actually a black man who could win and might possibly do better in the White House than any other white-run administration has done in the history of the nation. That's what they're really scared of THANNNNNNK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! nels forhaving a brain |
Cynique
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Post Number: 11241
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, January 20, 2008 - 09:56 pm: |
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Get real. Do you think the presidency is actually a one man operation and that he is not beholden to a lot factions, including Congress and the Supreme court. I guess a pea brain like you wouldn't realize that. |
Yukio
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 21, 2008 - 08:21 am: |
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no.yes. My point was, voters, including black voters, are not very sophisticated.
Black people still support the Clintons, why? Because he was on Arsenio Hall and he had a few negroes in his administration?
As you said to Nels about the limited power that presidents yield, B. Clinton was not wholly responsible for the economy during the 1990s. He didn't have that kind of power . . .
I'm saying that Andrew Young, and his generation, particularly those genuflecting before the Clintons, are really too old, that is dinosaurs, committed to attacking themselves to white power at any cost; this is what the NAACP did in the 1950s, the NAACP that was afraid that civil disobedience would backfire on black people.
And it did, but it also perservered (sp).
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Cynique
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Post Number: 11242
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How much power did Andrew Young wield outside of Atlanta and the south, Yukio? Very little in the large Northern urban areas. And appearing on Arsenio Hall's show did not define Clinton as a president. This just made him accessible and "likeable".
Older black folks voted for Clinton because they remembered the Reagan years and saw no improvement with the re-election of Republicans Bush or the prospect of Bob Dole. And just how bad did black folk fare under Clinton? Just because he didn't fulfill their every need and accomodate their every demand doesn't make him an ogre. He was president of America not of Black America. He was a politician not a savior. |
Cynique
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And maybe the rank and file black voters are not that sophisticated but IMO they do have good instincts when it comes to spotting a phony. Both Hillary and Barak are under their scrutiny and they have to decide which one is the best at giving the impression of being sincere. HRC is trying to establish rapport with Blacks just as Obama has to bleach his persona in order to connect with Whites. It's all a game. To the victor goes the spoils, as leaders of the military-industrial complex wait in the wings, salivating and rubbing their hands together, ready to exert their influence. And so it goes. |
Doberman23
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10 stars for you cynique, i see exactly what your saying.
sorry folks but the brown vote is starting to carry more weight in america, so it's time to focus more on black money. because money talks. |
Cynique
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Post Number: 11246
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 21, 2008 - 08:05 pm: |
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Right, Dobes. We gotta invest more money is those lottery tickets. The much-sought after invitations to our bash is really generating some possibilities. Once we get everybody in one place, we can get them to invest in the condos we can build on that land in Florida we can sell em. |
Chrishayden
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Post Number: 6155
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, January 22, 2008 - 02:47 pm: |
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Just how much DOES Cynique suck?
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Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 11260
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, January 22, 2008 - 03:08 pm: |
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You'll never know, crissy. Now go back to jackin off as you fantasize about Hillary giving you a spanking. |
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