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Chrishayden
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Post Number: 6051
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, January 05, 2008 - 11:09 am: | 
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Clinton’s Iowa Flop
http://www.counterpunch.org/lindorff01042008.html
The truth is that those independent voters who turned out for Obama and Edwards are simply not going to vote for Hillary Clinton in November '08. If it were to become a choice between Clinton and McCain, Clinton and Giuliani or Clinton and Huckabee, they will sit the election out-or even vote Republican. And she's not going to get the other independents either-the ones who really are conservative leaning. If they vote at all, they'll go Republican, offered the choice between Republican or Republican lite with a few liberal bells and whistles.
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Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 11063
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, January 05, 2008 - 01:02 pm: |
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I agree. America men are not ready for a woman president, especially one who reminds them of all of the strict, no-nonsense women who have de-balled them all of their lives.  |
Yvettep
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Post Number: 2516
Registered: 01-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, January 06, 2008 - 12:01 pm: |
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Cynique, if the presidential arena is any parallel to the world of higher ed and the workplace, then I disagree about men's acceptance of White women. Statistically, White women have been the biggest beneficiaries of affirmative action policies in both arenas. Perhaps when the chips are down, White men are more comfortable with women who remind them of their mothers, sisters and wives than of women and men who are still so "other" as to be non-White.
Perhaps the White House is the one place where that will not fly, but I do not think so. I think it is disingenuous to imply that the only reason (some/many) White men do not like Senator Clinton is because she is a tough (or "de-balling" or whatever) woman. I think she has enough of a track record of actual deeds to turn many people off--not least of all what many describe as the "carpet-bagging" way she found a state to represent in order to get into the Senate in the first place.
Interestingly I think Sen Clinton faces a similar dynamic as Sen Obama in terms of support: her biggest obstacle may be other White women (as Sen Obama's might be other Black men and women). I may have mentioned before how interesting some of the conversations have been on some women-/feminist-run blogs and websites. While I am not a supporter of Sen Clinton's, I find very sad some of the (to me) strange reasons some women are giving for not supporting her candidacy.
Of course, if she is going to play ball with the big boys she'll just have to take all of it on the chin and keep on keeping on. (And if Sen Obama's going to play with the "White kids" he'll have to do the same.) WHoever you support, this has been a historic campaign season with a little something for everyone. It perhaps has gotten more people and more different kinds of people involved and energized about the political process than have been in a long long time--maybe ever. IMO, that is a good thing, and it will be up to both parties to figure out how to keep that interest and involvement sustained even after November. |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 11077
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, January 06, 2008 - 03:07 pm: |
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Your point is well-taken, Yvette, except - are there really that many people who are familiar with the records of any of the candidates, except maybe when it comes to voting for the war in Iraq. This is a very vague and overrated issue. All of the bragging by candidates about what they've done, and the attacks of their opponents about what they haven't done, go in one ear and out the other of the average voter, especially after the accused and their accusers do damage control by spinning things in their favor. To me, this campaign is just one big exercise in who can think on their feet the best when attacked by a rival, and who can be the most convincing in making the promises they won't keep.
The American people have grievances and they know what THEY want to happen once a candidate takes office. Moreover, they want to be told what they want to hear and, they want what they want to hear, to be told them by someone whom they find likeable. Personality and pre-conceived notions do have an impact, both in a positive and negative way in the appeal of a candidate.
White women may have benefitted from affirmative action, but they still are not a part of the good ol boy network and they complain about how they remain locked out of the CEO fraternity once they've achieved this status. And the more dynamic and aggressive they become, the more intimidating and off-putting they become.
Hillary's sharp droning voice has a nagging quality to it, an emanation that can subconsciously strike a nerve in men and, to a lesser degree, women. She's too reminiscent of a domineering mother or a strident ex-grifriend or an overbearing supervisor. On the other hand, if she acted more feminine and amiable, she'd be perceived as weak. She may be able to overcome her dilemmas, but if she doesn't, it won't be because of her ambiguous resume. IMO, it will be because her persona was a turn-off. And the polls seem to support this. IMO.  |
Enchanted
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Post Number: 1115
Registered: 11-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, January 06, 2008 - 04:36 pm: |
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America IS ready for a woman president but They dont like Hillary Clinton an you all keep leaving that out She has no charisma, she running on husbands record an shes not a good speaker America has always despise Hillary becaus she an her IMPEACHED husband are crooked an dont have a real marriage She's the wrong "WOMAN" canddiate |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 11081
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, January 06, 2008 - 04:40 pm: |
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Apparently you didn't read the last paragraph in my post, "enchanted". Once again you've proved that no only can't you write, but you can't read.
"Hillary's sharp droning voice has a nagging quality to it, an emanation that can subconsciously strike a nerve in men and, to a lesser degree, women. She's too reminiscent of a domineering mother or a strident ex-grifriend or an overbearing supervisor. On the other hand, if she acted more feminine and amiable, she'd be perceived as weak. She may be able to overcome her dilemmas, but if she doesn't, it won't be because of her ambiguous resume. IMO, it will be because her persona was a turn-off." |
Enchanted
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Post Number: 1117
Registered: 11-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, January 06, 2008 - 04:45 pm: |
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i NEVER READ YOUR POSTS CYNIQUE or Urban but thanks I agree what you wrote |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 11083
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, January 06, 2008 - 04:50 pm: |
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Then why are you always directing comments to me, you idiot? You couldn't wait to tell me how PETA threw blood on the fur coats of black celebs. And you just responded to the post I made after yours. The same with Urban Scribe. Your always directing post to her. Puleeze. |
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