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Troy
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'nuff said... |
A_womon
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"Bama time! newnwnewnewnnanawnanaw! Caint touch dis!" |
Abm
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Post Number: 9765
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That brotha is beginning to look like a President.
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Cynique
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Post Number: 11042
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As a spectator, I'm enjoying this show. Poor ol crestfallen Hillary. This humbling experience might mellow her. But I'm leery about this Huckabee bandwagon. His "aw, shucks, I'm just plain folks" act is apparently resonating throughout America's heartland. He represents "change", too.
So, now, the games have begun. In 11 months who will stand in the arena and raised a victorious fist? Will the best gladiator win? |
Tonya
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Post Number: 6306
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I think this could work out completely in Hillary’s favor, actually. With the stigma of America as racist being lifted from the shoulders of white voters, white folks are now likelier to vote WHAT’S ON THEIR MIND instead of what’s in their hearts. If this turns out to be the case, the rest of the states could potentially vote much differently. Of course an over hyped, frenzied media circus that overwhelmingly favors Obama could play a devastating part in the process like it did before, which would ultimately ENSURE yet another loss in November to the Republicans. Yes, the Dems have been that stupid before.
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Tonya
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Post Number: 6307
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...Not saying whites are right to think his win says ANYTHING about racism in America. But after tonight no doubt a LOT of them are gonna go to the poles thinking that it does.
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Doberman23
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Post Number: 1131
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, January 04, 2008 - 01:08 pm: |
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good for you obama, i'm hopeing he can pull it off, but i am not holding my breath. he has a better chance then kerry's sorry ass did.
i think the south will still vote against him on g.p. |
Robynmarie
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Post Number: 600
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, January 04, 2008 - 01:41 pm: |
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Congrats to Senator Obama. Now let's see how he reacts with a big ole target on his back.
Looks like it is Clinton, Edwards and Richardson...who will take Senator Obama on?
I hope Hillary does not give up. If she goes down, she should go down fighting. |
Doberman23
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no she should go down and impersonate her other opponent monica lewinski |
Robynmarie
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Post Number: 601
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"no she should go down and impersonate her other opponent monica lewinski"
huh? I guess this is supposed to be funny, but I don't get it. |
Cynique
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Post Number: 11043
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Ironcially, Obama may turn out to be the ultimate "token". Should he become president, he will be who racists cite as an example of America not being racist as they go about their daily routines of being racists.  |
Troy
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Cynique, with that logic any advances Black folks make can be construed as tokenism.
Certainly Obama’s victory in the Iowa Caucuses is not the result of tokenism.
While I agree that sophisticated racists will use anything at their disposal to disprove their racism. However you can't ignore the fact that a Black man with a name like Barack Hussain Obama is a serious candidate for the presidency of this country. Indeed one of his biggest obstacles are… other blacks.
Barack’s success tells me that the people of this country are really feed up and want a change, so much so that they are not bothered by the change coming in the form of a Black man.
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Abm
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Post Number: 9767
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, January 04, 2008 - 04:34 pm: |
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Obama won a state that is more that NINETY FIVE PERCENT WHITE. He did so by a spread of nearly TEN POINTS.
And he got more White FEMALE votes than the White FEMALE Hillary Clinton.
Like you say, Troy. It's beginning to look like one of the biggest impediments to Obama succeeeding will be other kneegrows.
But then, it ain't like we don't have a LONG history of such irony.
I said some time back Obama looks like a president. And, inspite of his shortcomings and obstacles, I think he's starting to look like that to other foks, regardless of their race and politics. |
Cynique
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Post Number: 11046
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, January 04, 2008 - 05:03 pm: |
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I did put a winking emoticon after my statment. And best of all, I tweaked the noses of you Obama groupies. 
Anybody who stands a good change of keeping the Republicans out of office is fine with me. |
Urban_scribe
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Post Number: 613
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Votes: 6 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, January 04, 2008 - 05:16 pm: |
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Obama can't be but so down for Blacks and become POTUS, much less remain POTUS. With America such as it is, if he's elected, Black voters will regret putting a Black President in the White House. If all Blacks in this country are looking for are bragging rights of playing a hand in history by putting the first HALF-Black president in office - well, then elect me! And I mean that ish seriously, because Obama ain't gon' do no more for Blacks than any previous White president has. His good ol' boy benefactors, his good ol' boy presidential advisors, his cabinet, the house, congress, the senate, lobbyists, and all the rest of them good ol' boys ain't gon' let him. If Obama makes it all the way to 1600 Pennsylvania, homeboy will be nothing more than window dressing.
I remember when David Dinkins was elected the first Black mayor of NYC. Blacks in this city just knew we were gonna be on easy street. HA! The unemployment rate for NYC Blacks was at its HIGHEST in history under Dinkins - higher than under any other mayor this city ever had. I see the same thing happening, and worse, to Blacks in this country if BO-BO is elected pres. |
Cynique
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Post Number: 11050
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, January 04, 2008 - 05:27 pm: |
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And while we're at it, Urban Scribe, let's give a shout out to Dobes for putting this whole political charade in its hilarious perspective.  |
Urban_scribe
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Post Number: 614
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, January 04, 2008 - 05:46 pm: |
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Madame Cynique, now y'know, when the man upstairs made Dobes, he truly broke the mold! No one on this forum makes me laugh the way Doberman23 does! |
Cynique
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Post Number: 11051
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High 5!  |
Enchanted
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Post Number: 1109
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even if Obama was 1% DOWN 4 blaks urban that woul be mroe than what we got now or ever had As Abam said KNEEGROWS make me sick! jus elect a damn black man an stoop whining! the image for blak children alone is priseless dummies! hes not running for prez. of kneegrows hes running for pres. of USA |
Urban_scribe
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Votes: 5 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, January 04, 2008 - 08:26 pm: |
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But, Enchanted, will that 1% loyalty, compassion, devotion (whatever you want to call it) benefit Blacks? The thing people overlook about the presidential office is that the President himself doesn't make ANY decisions. He has a team of advisors who tell him what's in the best interest of the country. I seriously doubt if Obama is elected, that ANY of his advisors is going to tell him it's in the country's best interest for him to publicly display his "Blackness" or his loyalty towards Blacks. If anything, they're going to say to him: "Well, Mr. President, if you veto this bill, it would appear that you're showing favoritism towards Blacks. That's not going to look good when you're up for re-election, Mr. President. So, in our expert opinion, as your advisors, we passionately urge you to go ahead and sign this bill to cut funding in inner city public schools."
Call me crazy, call me a fool, call me a KNEEGROW, whatever turns you on but, mark my words, if Obama becomes POTUS Blacks in this country will be worse off.
I don't give a damn about what the "image" of having a Black first family represents to Black children. That image is not going to feed them, it's not going to educate them, it's not going shelter them, it's not going to improve their quality of life, and it's not going to prepare Black children or provide them the necessary tools and smarts to make it in the good ol' USofA.
In my view, a Black president who is prevented from acting in the best interest of his people because doing so would lead to political and, possibly, character assassination, is worse than having a White president who you already know is going to screw you. |
Enchanted
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Quote Urban_Scribe: I don't give a damn about what the "image" of having a Black first family represents to Black children. That image is not going to feed them, it's not going to educate them, it's not going shelter them, it's not going to improve their quality of life, and it's not going to prepare Black children or provide them the necessary tools and smarts to make it in the good ol' USofA.
now see...peple like Troy Johnson think so highly of a womn like you but that statement TO ME shows pure vapid sutpidy because IF YOU DONT UNDERSTAND that a childs "greatness" begins with (a) what he thinks of himself (b) confidense that he can achieve as others of HIM KIND have done, etc. then you really do make too much mony an not enough sense Urban. A single IMAGE in life can overide shelter, food, education an rise up a king. the very problem in our race is women lik you and cyniqe an your "shortsightingness" but yur sorry selves are the ones people listen to. Obama is not responsble for "black peeple" beyond being a MAN in charje of the White House. the PRESIDENT is not responsble for YOUR SPECIAL INTEREST his job is to be President of THE NATION. Maybe if you fukcking NI66ERSTOCK no-mothering, no-womaning SUIT-WEARERS could stop whining about EQUALITY and start thinking about Sojourner Truth's admonition that you "TAKE WHAT YOU WANT", maybe then you coul utilize your inherited opportunty in the Wealthiest Strongest nation on earth, America. But if you dont understand simple shit ie. "through our children we live forever" an you live in the richest country on earth an dont want to supprt a black man an a black woman in the white house HIGHEST SEAT ON EARTH then jus a stupd ass SPANISH RICE-BRAINED typica Ni66erbitch who kids never wil get off the plantation--be that plantation EXXON, IBM, GOLDMAN SACHS or HACHETTE PUBLISHING. if you cant support a BLA KMAN (or 1/2 of one) when he's trying to DO THE RIGHT THING--then yall some sorry motherfukcckers 'n that's all that is to it.
The IMAGE destorying our chidlren is week women like yourself
what the eye can see is greater than material tangibles, bitTches like you ant shit
People....VOTE OBAMA IN 2008....on GP
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Cynique
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Post Number: 11053
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, January 04, 2008 - 09:44 pm: |
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. Take a bow, "enchola". Almost got out of character, there, but you remembered to revert to your illiterate syntax.
What drips out of ABM's mouth always did inspire your passion, no matter what guise you're assuming.
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Sabiana
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, January 04, 2008 - 10:22 pm: |
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"through our children we live forever"
NI66ERSTOCK
bitTches like you ant shit
Also notice, (basic typing class), the constant spelling mistakes don't fit, considering words such as "plantation", but the purposely mispelt "confidense", or the intentially leaving off of the last word of some of the letters, "typica". One could obviously come to the conclusion that __________, types of the entries first, then LATER, alters them in the inconsistant retarted cryptic code of "Enchanted". Enchanted in a previous year
quote:I agree with you Moonsigns about Kola Ive always beat you to it in fact. My thing is with Abm saying that white women dont launch missives at black women and whether you and I are in the same boat or not (an we are) I was just using you to shatter the stereotype but yes I agree with you 100% shes a nutcase and I'm not surprised she "shared" that because she's NAKED for godsake she always tries to reveal things to get attention. LOLLL
Enchanted=Kola character/puppet, in fact to juxtapose with her actual character "Kola" creating a spring pad for further self endorsement. (the tales of Osama)
I think its funny. (You know, I can't help but giggle when Nafisa posts, with Kola posting the same topic)
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Anywho, I'm quite torn between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. U_S/Cynique point of whites using Obama presidency as a sign of black sucess and black failure (of other blacks, "he did it, so why can't they"), is true, however, whites have always used that excuse, rather it be figures like Oprah Winfrey, or comparisons of other ethnic stereotypes, (the model minority myths), for the "solid proof" for feeling's racism/contempt.
Conversely, I would like to see a black man/black family in the White House.I'm sure people however said the same thing about Clarence Thomas, (Isn't it nice that a black man is in the Supreme Court?) You feel?
However, who is to say that Hillary would not "Well, Mr. President, if you veto this bill, it would appear that you're showing favoritism towards Blacks. That's not going to look good when you're up for re-election, Mr. President. So, in our expert opinion, as your advisors, we passionately urge you to go ahead and sign this bill to cut funding in inner city public schools." not cave into her advisors also. Actually U_S, here is a website on the subject of Hillary views towards Education, http://www.issues2000.org/senate/Hillary_Clinton_Education.htm
Damn I'm making this bleak! However, I'm being positive. I mean, I can't get much worse than Bush right? (Hopefully, I won't have to eat my own words) What I'm worried about is the state of America's economy after Bush's presidency. It won't be a pretty sight, that's for sure.
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Cynique
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Post Number: 11055
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This presidential race in general, and Obama's candidacy in particular really brings out the unbridled emotions in people.
If Obama's candidacy could be condensed into an ambiguous configuration, it would be like a Rorschach ink blot test, a convoluted image that black folks look at and interpret in a way that reflects their own mind set. And, like the ink blot test, there is no right or wrong response to the this campaign. It's all about an individual's own personal perception of the impact of race in America. and what the office of Presidency should entail.
The idea that anybody who resists a herd mentality fraught with a lot maudlin B-movie rhetoric is deemed to be called "neegrow" and a bunch of other names by those who embrace what others could call a "plantation mentality", says more about the name-callers than it does about the independent thinkers.  |
Enchanted
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i will add that it woul also do wonders for white children to see a black family in the white hosue ***regardles what these black fools say IMAGES wit the sound turned down rule all humn being an thought globaly Obama is giving us the right imag, the right exmple for 70% fatherless black children AND for children of Africa who despertley need this imag of a black family mor now than ever |
Cynique
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Oh, and like the image of a woman as president wouldn't be an inspiration to little American girls of both races. Woman have been a repressed minority, too.
And why the hell would African kids be inspired to see Obama in America's white house? They have leaders and kings and presidents to look up to in their own countries.
And yea, I can just see little fatherless black boys in the inner cities being inspired by Obama when somebody more near to their skin color is making it big and gettin rich from selling drugs.
This election is about the real world, not a fairy tale. It's about effective leadership, not about quaint little images for people who are impressed with window dressing. Who's the fool around here, "enchanted? YOU |
Urban_scribe
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Sabiana, I figured that because I don't support Obama, it would be misconstrued that I indeed support H Clinton. HELL NO! I support her less than I do him. Frankly, I don't see a PRESIDENT in ANY of the candidates. Frankly, I'm strongly considering not voting in this presidential election. I became a registered voter 19 years ago. This will be the first year that I don't vote. I don't see anyone on the presidential ticket worthy of my vote.
Enchanted, you know you phucked up royally with your post of 1/4/08 @ 9:10p. If anyone had any doubts whether you're Kola - they don't no mo'! Tell me something, KOLA, are you in love with TJ? You got a cyber-crush on him? Awww, ain't that sweet... It seems you manage to work his name into your posts at, shall we say, awkward moments. Do you need TJ to come to your house and indoctrinate you in order for you to feel worthy of oxygen? Why do you give a shite about who you perceive him to hold in high regard? Why do you somehow manage to make a nice chunk of your posts about him? Yes, I know TJ owns this site, and I'm as aware of his accomplishments as anyone else on this site, but ONLY YOU, Kola, constantly talk about him. You know what they say when a woman always talks about a man... I can count occassions where TJ requested you leave his name out of your bs. But what you say, girl, bump all that. You'll talk about your man anytime you get damn good and ready. Go 'head, Kola, get yours!  |
Abm
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Go OBAMA!!! |
Chrishayden
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I think it is hilarious that the only group Billary carried in Iowa was people over 65--
I BEEN TELLIN' ALL YOU GODDAM BOOMERS YOU'RE OVER THE HILL! NOW MAYBE YOU'LL BELIEVE IT!
You need to be like ME! I'm over the hill and I'm PROUD OF IT!
Now, what do you think the Clinton camp will do to derail Obama? They won't take this lying down? What racist trick will they pull? They already have their stooges on Air America saying that white folks are too racist to elect a black President (these are the liberals, by the way)
What will they do? |
Abm
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Chris: What racist trick will they pull? They already have their stooges on Air America saying that white folks are too racist to elect a black President (these are the liberals, by the way)...What will they do?
The Clinton's will crank up all the jealous, crabbarrelling, backroom-dealing, sabotaging KNEEGROWS. We've already witnessed some of this.
In the background, I am listing to CSPAN. I just heard someone quite gleefully talk about how intelligent and inspirational Obama is. That they admire how he's avoided dirty politics. They have already voted via absentee ballot in New Hampshire.
And they're a +60 year old married WHITE couple.
I don't know whether this and what happened in Iowa will mean anything. Perhaps, ultimately, it won't. But it seems so sadly ironic that BLACK foks might be as much against change as the White people they enjoy criticising. |
Chrishayden
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If Obama's candidacy could be condensed into an ambiguous configuration, it would be like a Rorschach ink blot test, a convoluted image that black folks look at and interpret in a way that reflects their own mind set.
(C'mon, now, Neek. You copied dis from someplace!) |
Cynique
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Wonder why chrishayden and ABM feel the need to justify their enthusiasm for Obama? It's like it makes these 2 grown kneegrow men feel better about themselves if they have Obama for a role model. I hope Barak wins and the change he brings makes it easier for chrishayden and ABM to get erections.
And to add insult to injury, chrishayden who is in his 50s and is a babyboomer himself, is now portraying himself as an elder statesman. Get real, you idiot. You're just trying to save face.
Me, I don't think that there will be any losers among the Democrats. They will strike deals at the convention and whoever emerges the party candidate, if elected president, will hand out plum cabinet positions, because in the race against the Republican candidate, the former Democratic runners will be rewarded for having, in a show of unity, gone out and campaigned for the party. |
Cynique
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I most certainly did not copy that phrase from some place! It sprung from my brain and it wasn't an analogy that was hard to come up with, all things considered. Puleeze. |
Troy
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One strong indicator is the use of "Troy Johnson". Some of y'all know what I mean.
That said, I fundamentally agree with Enchanted, at least here.
Urbanscribe, I find your statement "I don't give a damn about what the "image" of having a Black first family represents to Black children; particularly disheartnening. You explained why you feel this way, but the reasons seem unrelated...
I also don't understand why folks continue to harp on Obama being "HALF-Black" as if that is a bad thing. Obama did not chose his parents. He is Black -- at least by America's standards. He is certainly as Black as many of the so called "Black" folks in the country.
Urbanscribe, while I read that you don't believe any of the candidates are worthy. I trust that you will, on that basis, consider throwing vote the Brother's way and not waste it by not voting.
Yeah Cynique, that "Token" staement did rile me up. The reason is that SO many people really believe it.
Also, in additional to ABM's point the voter turn out in Iowa was much higher than in previous elections.
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Abm
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Troy,
I wouldn't waste any time or effort trying to convince Urbanscribe to think or do a dayam thing. Anyone foolish enuff to think that THIS is the time to avoid voting - after what has happen the last seven years - likely can't be reasoned with.
And for some Black foks the very worst thing you can do is to support another capable, intelligent and productive Black (be he-she half, whole or 3/5) person, ESPECIALLY if other Black are supporting and rooting for him-her.
As I said to Chris elsewhere: This is NOT new. |
Cynique
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STFU ABM. You really think that your stance is commendable and noble and that anybody who doesn't support who YOU support is re-miss. You are no better than the people you try to discredit. Obama being black is why you support him but he would be ashamed of somebody as prejudiced as you. |
Enchanted
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go ABM as usuul the only person with the since he was born with an though I love "Troy Johnson" an all black men who do someting to help my sons hav a better future (like encourjing literature) I DO NOT have a crush on him--but--to me there are Denzels in the everyday world an my appluse for ABM an Troy type of men is love granted in our "tribe" not tryng to get a nut I coul hav flown to NY years ago an put the seudction on if that was the case--NOT I love anyone who love my peeple an set good exmple for my sons 1 thing I am--a good mother frm when the "mud" was good an you could grow stuf
sorry I am not Kola |
Urban_scribe
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I also don't understand why folks continue to harp on Obama being "HALF-Black" as if that is a bad thing. Obama did not chose his parents. He is Black -- at least by America's standards. He is certainly as Black as many of the so called "Black" folks in the country.
Troy, I know you don't have much time to read these threads but, one day when you've absolutely nothing better to do, you really ought to take a stroll through the archives. You'll find that many, if not most, of BO's supporters here are amongst the same who, only a year ago, regularly and consistently sprewed colorist rhetoric right here on this forum. I find it starkingly hypocritical and laughably convenient that they've "suddenly seen the light" and now pledge their unfaltering support to MULAT-HO Barack Obama because he's "Black," afterall. Puleez!
As a mixed-race woman myself, I'm the last one to come down on BO for his ethnic/racial background. However, some of the loudest voices touting him now were calling people like Obama and MYSELF everything and anything but BLACK less than a year ago. Now these pitiful half-steppin niggahs want to talk out the side of their necks and CLAIM BO as one of THEIR OWN. Don't piss on me and tell me it's rainin! Please, Troy, take a look at your archives. If you're half the man you project yourself to be, some of that shite will make you ashamed to be Black.
Urbanscribe, I find your statement "I don't give a damn about what the "image" of having a Black first family represents to Black children; particularly disheartnening. You explained why you feel this way, but the reasons seem unrelated...
Tell me, is having a Black first family, in and of itself, going to guarantee that Black children of poor and working class families won't ever go hungry as long as there's a Black first family is in office? What I find disheartening is all this posturing about the "image," how good it looks just having them there. If anything, that makes my point that a Black first family is nothing more than window dressing. I need something more concrete than just an "image".
I trust that you will, on that basis, consider throwing vote the Brother's way and not waste it by not voting.
Not a chance.
I wouldn't waste any time or effort trying to convince Urbanscribe to think or do a dayam thing. Anyone foolish enuff to think that THIS is the time to avoid voting - after what has happen the last seven years - likely can't be reasoned with.
And for some Black foks the very worst thing you can do is to support another capable, intelligent and productive Black (be he-she half, whole or 3/5) person, ESPECIALLY if other Black are supporting and rooting for him-her.
First, let's agree on a definition of Black, shall we, ABM - as yours tend to ebb and flow in accordance with your Mudhutian girl's, Kola, personal lunar calendar. |
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The no votes and the split votes are exactly what the republicans are counting on to "win" yet another election and give all voters black white and other another four years of hell. The republicans are getting richer destroying the economy and breaking our backs with sky high grocery bills, utility bills, TAXES, and yes GASOLINE prices. They are intent on destroying the middle class and dividing the country into the super rich and the very poor! Creating an environment where only the rich will survive. But what the hell, it's just another election, right? |
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And Obama is a SENATOR, not just a black man who just stepped off the back porch in the ghetto and decided run for the presidency. And as a US SENATOR he has just as much experience going into this race as a number of our other presidential candidates and more than others. I find it strange that people want to always focus on what he isn't. He has some experience in the political arena, he is a dynamic speaker, who has developed a following of people who are sick and tired of the status quo. He has a fresh new voice that people recognize as being sincere in an atmosphere that is known for tired rhetoric and cliche.
Anyone with common sense knows he is not going to have it easy if he makes the white house and neither will black people, just because he is elected.
Obama will be expected to be super perfect because he will be another "first black" and as such he will be damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't whenever he is called upon to make a decision. If he makes a stand on something that blacks don't agree on, he will be labled a 'tom' if he makes a decision that seems to help blacks, people will say he's just taking that stance because he's black. And on and on.
Whether or not he is elected, only time will tell, not opinions on this board. Whether his term in office will be a successful one that will affect real change in this country, again, only time will tell. |
Ntfs_encryption
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"i think the south will still vote against him on g.p."
True..... |
Ntfs_encryption
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"The no votes and the split votes are exactly what the republicans are counting on to "win" yet another election and give all voters black white and other another four years of hell."
So true. My neighbor and I jumped all over another neighbor two days about this very issue. She despises Bush but she disked Kerry and refused to vote. We told her, by not voting -you did vote for Bush!!! Same goes for this election. If you don't vote for whomever the Democratic candidate may be -you will vote for whomever the Republicans will nominate. It's as simple as that. But if you're a Republican, well.....you'll get your way.
"The republicans are getting richer destroying the economy and breaking our backs with sky high grocery bills, utility bills, TAXES, and yes GASOLINE prices. They are intent on destroying the middle class and dividing the country into the super rich and the very poor! Creating an environment where only the rich will survive."
Ya got that right!!!!!!!!! The class divide is getting greater by the year. The rich are getting richer, poor are getting poorer and the middle class is sinking into financial oblivion and soon to be poor. And it appears that's just they way they want it. And Dubya is the ring leader, cracking the whip and driving the forces behind more Globalization, outsourcing, down sizing and stridently refusing to do anything whatsoever about the massive illegal immigration issue (which is the bane of American workers). Don't forget, there is a Super Wal-Mart comin' to an area near you!!
When bad decisions cost the company profits in Japan, they fire the CEO and his supporting stable of minions. In America, for the most part, they do just the opposite. When careless or faulty decisions are made and the entity loses money, the big corporate bubba's make impressive PowerPoint presentations to the board of directors and stock holders, tell them they have a plan to recover losses and regain some capital. How? They call it down sizing and restructuring. Just fire thousands of workers and recoup money lost by bad decisions of the management. They outsource jobs for much cheaper wages and often times tap into the slave labor of other countries by opening up operations and plants there (enter Mexico, China and India). They do it and the CEO gets millions in bonus money for the idea. Happens all the time. Oh yeah, and guess who gets fucked when all the corporate dust settles? Uh huh.....you guessed it!!!
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"Obama will be expected to be super perfect because he will be another "first black" and as such he will be damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't whenever he is called upon to make a decision. If he makes a stand on something that blacks don't agree on, he will be labled a 'tom' if he makes a decision that seems to help blacks, people will say he's just taking that stance because he's black."
Sigh.......This is also very true. But is sad that so many cynical Negroes do not understand this.
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Cynique
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The question is, is does a person vote for someone who will represent their own best interests? Implicit in the idea of supporting Obama because he is a black men, is the expectation that once in office, he will neutralize racism and make things better for his people. If he can't guarantee this, then can he really lay claim to all of the black support that accrues to him by virtue of his being "black"?
Since the answer to this is "no", then all that is left for a black voter to do is to eliminate "race" from the equation and make a personal choice to vote for a candidate who they believe will make the best POTUS.
This gives rise to the question as to whether when Blacks vote for Obama, are they voting their hearts or their heads? "Time for a change" is a good sound bite and a great campaign slogan, but "change-for-the-sake-of-change" doesn't ensure that a change will be for the better. Nevertheless, the office either makes the President, or the President makes the office and Obama is quite possibly equal to the task - possibly the best candidate of any color. At this stage who can say. 
Is the following quote from ol Will Shakespeare applicable to the situation????
"There is a tide in the affairs of men
Which taken at the flood, leads on to fortune;
Omitted, all the voyage of their life
Is bound in shallows and in miseries."
Julius Cæsar. Act iv.
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Troy
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Urban_scribe it does not bother me that some current Obama supporters spewed racist colorist rhetoric a year ago. To me, if just means they have developed, learned something and have grown.
Cynique and Urban, no one in their right mind expects an Obama presidency to eliminate racism or solves of the ills of Black folks or this country.
It took us over 400 years to get to where we are now, nothing will change over night. The best one can expect is a change in a better direction. A change which will benefit all Americans.
We will not get that change with the Clintons in the white house again. (Man can you image Bill Clinton in the White House again, without the responsiblilty of Presidency, no kids in the house and his wife tied up with matters of state -- Bill would just go berserk!)
A_womon, actually the opinions on this board do matter. We all (save Urban_scribe ) will be casting votes.
And despite popular belief to the contrary those votes do matter.
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Cynique
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Well, then what is the purpose of playing the race card when castigting "kneegrows" for not changing their self-hating ways and supporting Obama, Troy?? Why would it be to their advantage to vote for Obama if Blacks don't think that an Obama presidency would benefit them especially since Obama does bring the baggage that a white president doesn't have to be burdened with: a white president can help Blacks without being accused of showing favoritism. |
Troy
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Cynique, many people seem to believe that helping Black people is mutually exclusive to, or can not be done at the same time as, helping white people.
Cynique, what floors me are the Black people who will not vote for Obama because he is Black. Like the white man's "ice is colder" syndrome.
In addition to Obama's experience, intelligence and heart; I do think that Obama's Blackness is an asset I think his Blackness brings a perspective that a white child a priviledge will never get.
However, I do not think, nor do I wish, that a Obama presidency benefits flow to only Black people -- Obama should benefit all Americans Black just Blacks -- he is not running for the Nation of Islam.
I also dislike Black politician's who talk about helping our own but refuse to do so -- they are all sell outs. I will rememeber all the sell outs in future elections too.
Also, as I've said before, I think a Black family in the white house will benefit our people in ways that I'm not equiped to quanitify. But I'm not slamming people who refuse to use this as a criteria for which to vote for Obama.
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cynique I am supprting Obama an I dont expect him to do a damn thing for "BLACKS" my support is for the IMAGE an EXAMPLE he sets by existingfor black childrn to hav alternative to BET imagj-- that's enuf--the rest blacks can do for them damn selves
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Abm
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Does the Obama's Black polemics actually expect Hillary, Edwards, etc. to do MORE for Black foks than Barack? If so, WHERE is the basis for such a belief?
If you do not think or expect any of them to do more than Obama, then WTF is the rationale for opposing his candidacy OTHER than you don't want a Black person (and, I suspect for some, a Black MAN) to be president? |
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if we want stronger bettr SONS then we should want a black MAN to be presidnt IMO |
Enchanted
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+ Michelle is a god reole model for our girls in fac PERFECT |
Cynique
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Why is it so hard for Obama backers to absorb the idea that people no matter what color they are have the right to vote for anyone they choose and you Obama people take personal offense at the idea that other people don't embrace your choice. You guys are on the same level as whites who tell other whites to vote for Hillary instead of Obama because she is white. You're quick to say that Obama isn't perfect. Well neither are the other candidates but you apparently expect them to be and that because he's a regular guy Obama is the best choice. Puleeze. |
Cynique
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Once a person gets into office, all bets are off. You Obama groupies are actually afraid to hope that Obama would show favoritism to blacks should he get elected POTUS. You're too chicken and half-assed to even mount an argument that would entail the idea that if he gets in office Obama should show favoritism to blacks because they are second class citizens. No, you creep around totally pacified by the idea of how good a black man and his family would look in the white house. To you, it's apparently OK if once he gets in there he fades to white and forgets those who put him there.
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Enchanted
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cynique we just want a black president---we dont giv a dam what Obama does in officse But him being there will do more for our childrn an our peeple's MORALE than any white person can do
if you were a smart womn you woul realize that
also you hate black peeople have said so in a million ways
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Cynique
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Reading my posts again, huh, "enchanted"? Your lame excuses don't wash as proven by how, out of desperation, you have to resort to the same ol tired accusations about me hating black people. And anybody who says that don't care what a black president does once he gets in office is as stupid as they come. Your obsession with superficial images that won't trickle down to the black masses further proves what an idiot you are. So STFU. |
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