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Chrishayden
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 12, 2007 - 01:46 pm: | 
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I was reading over the Martha Southgate article and I hit upon a preliminary question--
What IS literary fiction?
Before I go to google or Wikipedia, I might say in my mind it is fiction like that written by Henry James, James Joyce, Marcel Proust, Anton Checkov and/or that written in such a style.
So what is that? Densely written literature, with long paragraphs and complex sentence structure that deals with deep philosophical or mystical themes and contains learned references?
Does that include experimental fiction?
Is it not also the fiction of those who came later, such as Hemingway, Faulkner, Steinbeck, F. Scott Fitzgerald--does that mean that a writer has to have won the Nobel or Pulitzer prize?
What about Pearl S. Buck?
Isn't it, today, fiction that has learned references, is set in or mentions Europe, and that written by academics?
Isn't it what the so-called literary establishment says it is?
I noticed that she did not include Zora Neale Hurston, Richard WRight, Chester Himes, John Edgar Wideman or Ishmael Reed, to name a few. Why not?
Doesn't it have to be more race neutral or white friendly ie isn't it what the literary establishment (lily white) says it is?
Is it just that fiction that is not genre fiction?
And is it possible that it includes works that now we overlook, as were "Leaves of Grass" and "Moby Dick" in their time?
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Kola_boof
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Well, Chris...I consider "Moby Dick" to be
as literary as it ever was.
And a few of Octavia Butler's science fiction
books, to me, are definitely literary fiction,
though it will probably be a long, long time
before she gets that accolade, if ever, due
to the prejudice against Sci-fi writing.
The very first book I ever read, "Valley of
the Dolls" is NOT literary fiction--but it
rang so true that I've read that book at
least 10 times in my lifetime, just because
it's trashy and entertaining--and that's
the reason I had to write "Virgins In The
Beehive"...so I'd have my own version of
that TYPE of book.
They don't study "Peyton Place" or "Backstreet"
or "Valley of the Dolls" in colleges, though.
In colleges, they study "literary fiction"
---books that analyze and leave a record of
why the people behaved as they did, why
women thought the way they did, how men
learned to live with other men--I would
re-word your earlier definition of literary
fiction and say:
Sentence structure that is more than linear
(holding a plethora of meanings)
deals with deep philosophical or
mystical themes and contains
learned references
(*I don't like the word mystical,
it's too snobbish and limiting
as 'males' tend not to grasp the
importance of having an 'emotional
range'}
"tightly woven" structure
with an artistic (often poetic) intent
a work that has "sociological" value
and effect on its readers (as some books
tell the story of a nation...or a people)
BUt...
more than anything--fiction that is
widely taken apart and 'studied',
I would say,
is literary ficion.
Imagine being told that my autobiography
was "a literary memoir".
I didn't fully understand until Professors
pointed out to me that I have a habit of
"always" trying to describe the times,
social mores and politics in which we live
as I write--which automatically ascend a
work of writing to either literary, academic
or historical.
I had never noticed that before.
Though Zora Neal Hurston's autobiography
"Dust Tracks on a Road" may not be her
true life story
---it is studied as "literary memoir".
Ditto Maya Angelou's "I Know Why the Caged
Bird Sings".
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Cynique
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Post Number: 9253
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 12, 2007 - 03:24 pm: |
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IMO, some focus should be given to the audience a book appeals to. I don't think that it a stretch to say that literary fiction is the type of reading matter that is appreciated by discriminating people who are intelligent, aesthetic, perceptive, and dismissive of that which is trite and challenged by that which is profound. |
Chrishayden
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 13, 2007 - 12:08 pm: |
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I don't think that it a stretch to say that literary fiction is the type of reading matter that is appreciated by discriminating people who are intelligent, aesthetic, perceptive, and dismissive of that which is trite and challenged by that which is profound.
(Who says they are right? As I stated before to them Moby Dick and Leaves of Grass were trash. At one time Ulysees was pornography. Despite all the feminist critics trying to blame black men for her obscurity white folks sure weren't reading Zora Neale Hurston until after she was dead.
Look at such things as cartoons. For years they are considered junk. Then Walt Disney makes Snow White and they are high art.
It is very subjective, isn't it? There is no objective standard. |
Kola_boof
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Despite all the feminist critics trying to blame black men for her obscurity white folks sure weren't reading Zora Neale Hurston until after she was dead.
Well, Chris Hayden...we still can't excuse
what JEALOUS "black male" rulers of the
Black Literati did to make Zora Hurston
invisible during her reign---and that more
importantly---they kept BLACK WOMEN from
being able to discover and champion
Zora Hurston's works.
They promoted the far less talented
NELLA LARSEN over Zora
because Nella was "white-looking" and had
straight hair and white manners--the right
image for "black women"---
....and they castigated Zora for being "bafoonish" and
"crazy"....and a "liar"
who wrote about black women's
inner issues instead of focusing
on "the black man" and his plight.
Langston Hughes was livid about it, and
rightfully so.
And after "Black Issues Book Review" told
a black woman novelist that she could not
review ANY book by "Kola Boof" in their
magazine--I tend to understand how hard
it was for Zora to break out when so many
of her contempories were embarrassed by the
issues she raised (her 1930 play "COLORSTRUCK"
was truly revolutionary}...and how they really
hated her use of "black folk dialect" as
though she was...gulp...PROUD of it.
In the last month, I have queried TWO black
male agents about representing me---in all
my career, they are the ONLY TWO people
who have been rude enough to not even respond
back to me. All other agents will at least
write a short note explaining that they
can't represent you---just in case they
change their mind in the future.
Now watch when I come out represented
by a White JEWISH male--everyone will
be crowing about how I didn't give the
"black agents" a chance.
But all four of the agents who have
responded to my queries are White Jews
--3 males and 1 female.
Thank God for Troy Johnson, Derrick Bell,
Chinweizu, YOU-Chris Hayden, Chinua Achebe
and so many other black men who have allowed
to be heard from an "artist right" standpoint.
Because a lot of black men in Harlem DID INDEED make Zora's life hell just
because she was a black woman who
wrote about her plight
and not theirs.
And in all honesty...was a BETTER WRITER
than almost ALL of the black men published
during the Harlem Renaissance.
I don't think Ralph Ellison is from that
era...so I would say that after Jean Toomer
(Toomer being the most gifted writer of the
Renaissance IMO), Richard Wright is about
the only writer that I would say
could compete with Zora as a storyteller.
Langston Hughes comes close, but
he's still not as gifted as
Richard and Zora.
Of course, I love me some
Wallace Thurman....who wasn't
one of the best writers, but
who was damn BOLD and wrote
about things that nobody else
would.
I'm still astonished at what
black men in the publishing world
did to Alice Walker during the
late 70's and into the 80's
behind her books---and what
was done to Ntzoke Shange, Gayl Jones
and Michelle Wallace before her.
BLACK WOMEN WRITERS should never
forget what these black women
went through so that we could
write truthfully about black women's
experiences.
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Cynique
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Post Number: 9269
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 13, 2007 - 12:53 pm: |
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Wellllllll, there's a bit of a difference between what is a cult classic and what is literary. Literature has intrinsic value and there does seem to be a correlation between the calibre of a reader and the calibre of what he reads. And this has nothing to do with one's station in life. In the case of a literate reader, it about being extraordinary enough to recognize and appreciate the extaordinary - like being of a mind to discern the difference between silk and rayon and to prefer the real thing. IMO. |
Chrishayden
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 13, 2007 - 01:14 pm: |
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Well, Chris Hayden...we still can't excuse
what JEALOUS "black male" rulers of the
Black Literati did to make Zora Hurston
invisible during her reign---and that more
importantly---they kept BLACK WOMEN from
being able to discover and champion
Zora Hurston's works
(In those days White folks constituted the overwhelming reading public of all of them--Langston, Nella, Zora et al. When the bottom dropped out of the stock market all of them were up a creek. Langston survived by cozying up with the Communists--who were mostly white too. Zora got screwed because she let that white lady, her patron, put all her stuff under lock and key until it was stale. She was writing 20's style local color noble savage stuff and when she sought to get it published it was the 30's it was the time of proletarian literature.
I know since Alice Walker it has been almost Holy Writ that Black men destroyed Zora Neal Hurston. Zora did it to herself.
White folks made Richard Wright a star as well as Ralph Ellison. In the 20's and 30's Negroes were not in the cities in anything like the numbers they are today.
It wasn't until the 60's that there was any kind of Black reading public for anything much but the newspapers. Books were expensive, blacks were dirt poor and libraries were segregated.
So maybe the males in Harlem did some gossiping and sniping. It was the rage of dreaming sheep. They were totally unable to do anything to stop her. She stopped herself.
They promoted the far less talented
NELLA LARSEN over Zora
because Nella was "white-looking" and had
straight hair and white manners--the right
image for "black women"---
(Did Nella Larsen even publish a book during the Renaissance? If she did only a handful of people read it. Only a handful read Cane, and the others and most of them were white.
....and they castigated Zora for being "bafoonish" and
"crazy"....and a "liar"
who wrote about black women's
inner issues instead of focusing
on "the black man" and his plight.
(So what? They didn't stop her publishing. That patron did--or rather she agreed to the terms of the support whereby what she wrote was kept under lock and key.
Let us also not forget how Zora backstabbed herself attacking the Civil Rights movement in the 40's and 50's--she was writing all right but she was doing her Red bashing thing--and since the Reds were the main reading public for black books then, what do you think happened?
There is not now, nor has there been, any Negro alive who could do much more than carp and grouse to stop another Negro--else we wouldn't have Clarence Thomas.
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Chrishayden
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 13, 2007 - 01:21 pm: |
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Zora Neale, to wit:
The conservative politics of Hurston's work also hindered the public's reception of her books. During the 1930s and 1940s when her work was published, the pre-eminent African American author was Richard Wright. Unlike Hurston, Wright wrote in explicitly political terms, as someone who had become disenchanted with communism, using the struggle of black Americans for respect and economic advancement as both the setting and the motivation for his work. Other popular African American authors of the time, such as Ralph Ellison, were also aligned with Wright's vision of the struggle of African Americans. Hurston's work, which did not engage these explicit leftist political issues, simply did not fit in smoothly with this struggle.
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Cynique
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Nella Larsen was not "promoted" over Zora Neale Hurston. She struggled in her writing career just like all of the Harlem Renassiance writers did and never really achieved a lot of acclaim, eventually fading into oblivion. Or was Nella all that light-skinned, and Zora all that dark-skinned. And unlike Zora, Nella was not under the thumb of Charlotte Mason, a rich white patron who insisted that Zora restrict her output to the "primitivism" genre if she wanted to continue receiving financial support from her. |
Kola_boof
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 13, 2007 - 01:39 pm: |
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Yes, Nella Larson WAS promoted over Zora
by Crisis and many other black men who
CONTROLLED the "niggerati"...and they
stifled Zora's ability to be read by
that small number of "black women"
readers who did exist back then...for
instance the U STREET BROWNIES of D.C.
club and other black women reading clubs
who got their "que" from Crisis and that
ilk.
I am going by Valerie Boyd's book and
by the writings of Langston Hughes and
Alice Walker.
I don't care what either of you say,
as I find myself also experiencing black
men and in particular "yellow" people who
run most of the organizations and magazines
and have been treating me the same way.
Charlotte Mason has absolutely NOTHING to
do with this aspect of Zora's career.
We're talking about how BLACK MEN didn't
like and tried to suppress Zora's voice
in the Harlem Renaissance---and they most
certainly did.
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Cynique
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I don't care what you say, either, kola boof. You aren't any authority and aren't the only one who has read biographies. Plus, you're so immersed in the colorism mentality that nothing you say has a lot of credibility. Nella Larsen wasn't "promoted" just because she had some articles appear in black magazines. She was just another struggling writer. Zora pimped Charlotte Mason for years, and she eventually collaborated with Langston Hughes on the writing of Mule Bone, a liaisan that sparked a feud with him that lasted for years. Just because Alice Walker anointed Zora doesn't mean that she was a paragon. Zora's quixotic personality and penchant for lying about herself stunted her progress as much as anyting. Naturally you identify with her. |
Kola_boof
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Valerie Boyd
Langston Hughes
Alice Walker
Those are my authorities on
how Zora was treated by Black literati.
I didn't say Nella Larson was a "huge success".
I SAID...as those three documented...that she
was seen as the "right image" and was pushed
instead of Zora.
FOR INSTANCE, Cynique...for "awards", "prizes" and such
given out by the BLACK LITERATI.
Langston Hughes commented on how he couldn't
believe Nella Larson always beat out
ZORA---a far superior storyteller.
It is a definite fact...by anyone has read
the atrociously stupid REVIEW that Richard
Wright wrote of "There Eyes Were Watching God"
and all manner of other things written ABOUT
ZORA by her black male contemporaries of that
time--they tried to stop her from being taken
seriously.
Charlotte Mason is no different than MS. Magazine
and Gloria Steinem putting Alice Walker on the
map. Helen Reikeiser (sp.) was Alice Walker's
Charlotte Mason.
But the point here is about HOW BLACKS TREATED
EACH OTHER---not about how whites helped
blacks get ahead.
FACT:
A white magazine has submitted me for the
CAINE PRIZE in London--the highest African
Writing Prize on the planet.
A black magazine (Black Issues) would not
even allow a known black novelist to review my
work in their pages.
Zora...who was a "country talk'n"
embarrassment to so many BOUGIE BLACKS
according to Langston Hughes
....experienced that as well.
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Cynique
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 13, 2007 - 02:46 pm: |
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Langston Hughes was the object of a lot of criticism himself and his opinions are not sacrosanct. Zora Neale Houston has been elevated to heroic proportions when, in fact, she was just at the wrong place at the wrong time. As chrishayden stated she came along during an era when black men dominated the field, promoting the idea that writing should be dynamic and radical and espouse the politics of racism while debunking old myths about the psyche of black people. Zora was a folksy writer, her dialogue ensnared in southern dialect, her settings the rural South. Yes, she was an early feminist but she never challenged the idea that black folks should just stay in their place. |
Kola_boof
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but she never challenged the
idea that black folks should just stay
in their place.
Bull-Fukkking-SHIT!
You don't know a
damned thing about Zora Hurston.
...and don't tell that LIE on Zora.
Just because she was against integration
and BOUGIE "ni66erstock" who equated
being human as living next door to white folk....does not mean she wanted black
life to remain as it was.
Her play "COLORSTUCK" is bold, powerful
testimony to that fact.
Her book "Their Eyes Were Watching God" is
far and away the most powerful feminist
mantra written black or white from that period.
And her belief (like Marcus Garvey's) that
Black people were already superior....totally
possessing everything needed to sustain
themselves...is again, nothing short of
revolutionary.
I love her because she was NOT ni66erstock
in any form or fashion.
But then Cynique, YOU are the quintessential ni66er-bi/tch.
The living symbol of what breathes truth
and fire into that title.
The Redbone who proudly states that it's only
natural for black people to evenutally MORPH into
Mulattos....
...the Redbone idiot who finds
"merit" in organizations SO IMPOTENT as
the NAACP but calls Marcus Garvey
a "loser".
HA! HA!
You...apparently being GOD...claim that
I've "lied about my life" like Zora Hurston.
But I have not lied about my life.
I invented "interesting ways" of telling
about my life...but I have not LIED about
my life.
It's the people who despise me and what I
am brave enough and WOMAN ENOUGH to stand
for---ni66erstock like you--who invent the
"LIE" that I have lied about my life.
And the same "ni66erstock" trash LIKE YOU,
descendents of Old Yeller and Jack 'n Jill
are the same ones who run "Black Issues Book Review" and "MOSAIC" (only he's a burnt crispy ass self-hating version of you all)...and you can ALLLLL kiss my evil black lying ass.
Now go make up some more LIES about me.
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Cynique
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Oh STFU, you hysterical idiot, going off on your n i g g e r stock tangent, sputtering the same ol BS, casting yourself as impeccable and everybody else as flawed. You're nothing but a silly deluded fool. Zora came from a historical all-black town in Florida and she thought that it was a paragon for black success and that integration was not a goal to be pursued. She turned out to be right, but she was not in step with the times back in the 1930s. |
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Nafola - Why do you always have to call people niggerstock and niggerbitches and all that other garbage for no damn reason. Does everyone always have to agree with everything that you say? Grow the fukc up.
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Cynique
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BTW, I am an iconoclast. I don't swallow propaganda by people with agendas. Marcus Garvey was a historical figure of note. Was he a winner? No. Does Pan-Africanism exert any great power in the world today?? No. Malcolm X and the Black Muslims idolized Garvey. Why wouldn't they? They had a vested interest in doing so. What lasting legacy did Garvey leave to black America? Just because you endorse something doesn't carve it in stone, kolasshole. Everything you say has to be taken with a grain of salt because you're tasteless. LMAO. |
Cynique
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And once again Kola has elevated herself to a position of granduer, getting herself into a lather about being exposed, flattering herself into thinking that she inpsires my hate. She really over-estimates her effect on me. She ain't worthy of the exertion it takes to hate. You are nothing more than an object of ridicule to me, kolasshole. BWahahahahah |
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I just came in on this discussion, and as usual, Kola Boof has got most of her shit WRONG! Most of her intellectual arguments are just about HERSELF!!
Then as now, the literary world is controlled by whites, who determine who get published and who don't, who get to be lit superstars and who don't. White writers like Bukowski and Burroughs rarely or never got published by major New York literary houses, while white lit pimps like Saul Bellow or John Updike could have their every fart pub'd and promoted. And this is just the tip of the iceberg; for Black, Asian, Latino, Native American writers, it's worse. (If you are the right kind of Asian, like Amy Tang, you will get promoted; the wrong kind, like Frank Chin, forget it.) |
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I don't think Kola has it wrong, if fact, I think she and Cynique are probably closer on this than they think (just my opinion). I also think it may be too hurful to discuss Zora Neale Hurston's politics in a contentious way. Valerie Boyd mostly sidesteps the issue anyway in her biography. However, even in the Richard Wright biography which I'm reading, Hazel Rowley only devotes 3 very brief paragraphs to the contretemps with Wright. I don't think it helps that they've been united posthumously in a book award.
I don't agree with Dr. Rampersad's contention that Ralph Ellison's frustration with Langston Hughes over his dwindling commitment to the proletarian theater project in favor of folkloric recidivism amounts to anything like a "betrayal" by Ellison and it's foolish to imply that Ralph Ellison believed in the innate intellectual inferiority of African Americans. Please.
The other thing I don't buy is the melodrama about Ralph Ellison's letter to the MacArthur Foundation constituting a Bledsoe-like betrayal of James I think if you check Henry Louis Gates's "Encarta Africana Encyclopedia," you'll find a big, scowling full-page picture of Ice Cube, an entry for RuPaul, and even the famous picture of the smiling woman in a straw hat who's NOT Zora, but nothing about James Alan McPherson, who's only the first African-American recipient of the Pulitzer Prize in Fiction.
Dr. Rampersad would have us believe that Ralph Ellison was also without elementary sympathy for "the young," i.e. Ishmael Reed and LeRoi Jones! In fact, he even called Ishmael Reed a "gangster"!
From the 1987 Quincy Troupe interview with James Baldwin:
TROUPE: What person has hurt you the most recently?
BALDWIN: Ishmael Reed.
TROUPE: Why?
BALDWIN: Because he is a great poet and it seemed to be beneath him, his anger and his contempt for me, which were both real and not real. He ignored me for so long and then he called me a (cork)sucker, you know what I mean? It's boring. But I always did say he was a great poet, a great writer. But that does not mean I can put up with being insullted by him every time I see him, which I won't.
He puts this blurb on the jacket of some of his novels:
"Ishmael Reed is a great writer." -- James Baldwin
Robert O'Meally writes in his editorial comments to "Living With Music: Ralph Ellison's Jazz Writings," that Ellison's review of "Blues People" should be read along with Baraka's book. Ishmael Reed, on the other hand, claims that Ellison was used by the "New York Literary Establishment" - whatever that's supposed to be - to put a "hit" on Baraka to "put the natives down." As I remember, Ellison calls him an "earnest young man" in that review.
Yeah, and Baraka's 1964 poetry was so warm and fuzzy. LOL!
Not to be overly critical, but I think the book omits Charley Patton, who combined singing with his guitar and thereby influenced a whole generation of bluesmen; and it omits Creole saxophonist / clarinetist Sidney Bechet, who along with Louis Armstrong were the two leading soloists to emerge from New Orleans.
And finally: Of course Ishmael Reed and John Edgar Wideman are literary writers. Who else but John Edgar Wideman could write a stream-of-consciousness short story about Thelonious Monk which manages to include French Symbolist poets Arthur Rimbaud and Paul Verlaine as hip-hop lovers who wear their baseball caps backwards with sagging jeans? A little something for "Da Kidz," perhaps?
In fact, they remind me of a movie I was watched last night. The pre-cogs in "Minority Report," when they're not working, are seen in their chambers floating in a pool of amniotic fluid, perhaps symbolic of the elite universities where both men have lived for decades. Ralph Ellison, Richard Wright, and Zora Neale Hurston may have taught, but not continuosly.
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Cynique
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I agree that Kola and I were not that far apart when it came to Zora, but because she moreorless channels Zora, Kola identifies with Zora very closely and wants to canonize her and resorts to historionics in her effort to do this. I, on the other hand, believe Zora should be viewed with "warts and all." The rest of your dissertion was very interesting and I assume that, in expressing your opinion, you were attempting to rebut what chrishayden was saying????? |
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Risking my peace of mind to step in this "mine field"...LOL
I, on the other hand, believe Zora should be viewed with "warts and all."
I tend to agree with Cynique. Being a huge Zora fan; I do agree that she had some issues that I could not come to terms with, however her work speaks for itself even with her funny personality. Zora was Zora and I am so glad we had her, despite what others seem to think of her. She was only human and it seems having grown up in Eatonville where Blacks governed themselves she had a different perspective on who she was. She did not (it seems to me) suffer from the results of prejudice and racism that the other writers of her era were hampered by... in their writings and also in their personal lives.
But that is just my opinion...
BTW: I was not impressed with Valerie Boyd's book. It got kinda boring for me and made me regret I spent money on a brand new hardback copy. I should have gotten it from the library.
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Cynique
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Hi Bookgirl! Where you been keeping yourself? Lurking??? I think Zora deserves a certain amount of props. She was a unique and talented writer. But you know kola and I don't need any excuse to clash about things. LOL. |
Bookgirl
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Hey Cyn: Not really been lurking but really having a full plate so I haven't been to the site a lot. What can I say? Life has been happening to me.
I've been writing a great deal and doing a lot of book reviews...some under my real name right here at aalbc. LOL
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Cynique
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How about that? Right under our nose, all this time! And, yea, tell me about life happening to us as wistfully I observe the first year anniversary of my husband's passing. |
Bookgirl
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I am so sorry to hear that. That's a big hit to take. I know.
Been dealing with my adult daughter's health challenges but it is all working out for good. She's being evaluated for a kidney transplant next week so that will be stepping up to the next level in her healing...it was touch and go for awhile...only our faith has kept us.
You and the family hang in there... |
Cynique
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You, too. |
Nafisa_goma
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Steve_s,
I've just read Kola and Cynique's comments over
again about three times and you're right, they both said the exact same thing, now add BookGirl and you've got three people saying the same thing.
I do not see where Kola said that Zora shouldn't be judged warts and all.
What I see is that Kola acknowledged the fact that Zora was not beloved by the black literary community during the time that she actually lived and that is more than well documented.
The reason for the black literary community often snubbing Zora was because she did come from Eatonton and was therefore different from the majority of educated blacks who liked to hide their southern accents, conk their hair and marry as light as possible, all of which were things that Zora was openly against.
Zora Neale Hurston, like Kola, was intensely proud of black people in their natural state and she flaunted her "country" accent and ate fried chicken in public.
Langston Hughes, a close friend of Zora, said that he was often in squabbles with members of the black literati who wanted him to stop being associated with Zora.
Decades after Zora's death, the black community rediscovered her, thanks to Alice Walker, and they have now risen Zora up as the Queen Voice of black women's literature.
She has become sainted in the way that Elvis and Marilyn Monroe are sainted by death.
I don't see where Kola was discussing that issue at all. I do see where Kola tried to make the point that many intelligent black women have a habit of not being able to see the forest for the trees in that black women will not support a controversial black female who stirs the pot until she's dead and it's too late.
The same thing, as Ossie Davis and Maya Angelou wrote, happened to Malcolm X.
The "general" black community only accepted him long after it was too late--he'd been dead twenty years.
Steve_s have you actually read Zora's play "Colorstruck" that upset the black literati community so much back in the 30's?
I've read "Mule Bone" and "Mules and Men" but not the play "Colorstruck".
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A_womon
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Nafisa,
Is Kola your only client? You sure do have a lot of time to post for her. My editor isn't NEARLY that available. Of course, I'm not her only client either. Just curious as to why you seem to be available to post on this board whenever Kola asks you to. I wouldn't dream of asking my editor to do things like this for me. It's like you're at her every beck and call. |
Linda
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A_woman
What a good question! I really want to know the answer to this one. Seems a little strange for an editor to go to such lengths for a client, friend or not. Mine would more than likely ask what was wrong with my fingers and where are the re-writes. LMAO |
Nafisa_goma
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To Linda and A_womon,
Apparently neither of you has read the many times
that I posted about what my relationship with Kola Boof is.
We own a business together.
Kola and I both have dozens of clients as we're both involved in many types of businesses.
I personally, specialize in PR and radio, not publishing, but I also edit books for Door of Kush.
Kola is the godmother of my kids and we've been close friends for over ten years.
I've been Kola's editor and Press Agent on top of that.
Kola has asked me to click on aalbc.com from time to time and post things for her and I have now gotten in the habit of visiting the board myself when I have a free moment. What's so odd about that?
How many times does that information need to be posted before it sinks in and why would you be so petty and insulting to someone who isn't posting about you?
Unlike the two of you, Kola Boof receives an incredibly high volume of email because of her presence on this site over the years. She is in the media all the time. People who want to know something about Kola, people other than the posters on this board, come to this site looking for her Blog to get info or to locate her.
Kola has gotten television writing jobs because someone looking for her was able to find her on this board.
Kola was booked on Tiki Barber's show, because he was able to find her on this board.
Singer Etta James was able to contact Kola because she found her on this board.
So then why would she and I not make information about her available where people expect to find it and why do professional women like yourselves care about what Kola and I do?
It seems that smart people (smart about business and PR) could figure these things for themselves.
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Cynique
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Does kola have a blog on this board??? And I thought she was feuding with Door of Kush for doing such a poor job of handling her book. And, just out of curiosity, what kind of "clients" does kola have????? Fishy, indeed, Ms Goma. snicker. |
Nafisa_goma
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Kola makes perfume for one thing. One of her clients is the Ethiopian model Liya Kebede (sp).
She's also been a "story consultant" and her clients were SONY Pictures Television and "As the World Turns".
Kola's a very talented person and she
helps other black women get ahead. Just ask Diane Dorce whose book I and Kola worked on at Door of Kush or any number of people here.
You do a lot of snickering Cynique, and though
I can't speak for Kola, I find it pretty baseless.
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Cynique
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Get real, Nafola. Did you ever read the piece Diana Dorce wrote about the nightmare experience she had with Door of Kush? And, I really wonder how highly chrishayden would recommend this generic outfit?? And after being canned from Days of Our Lives, the only soap opera kola consults on are the ones she and her trolls star in on this board. Perfume making for - one thing. What does she do? Bottle her farts? She probably bills ABM for engaging in cyber sex with him? LMAO. Give it up Nafola. You're pathetic. |
Nafisa_goma
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Cynique,
I'll leave that word "pathetic" to you, as I was actually raised and would never stoop to writing the kind of unnecessary rants you just posted.
The problem is that you really do think you're talking to Kola Boof, and I'm sorry, but I am not Kola and I don't engage in those type of meaningless insults and so on. Kola will go there with you, but it's not me.
I will, however, clear up some misinformation that you just wrote about Door of Kush and Kola.
Kola Boof never stopped writing for soaps.
She was a "ghost" writer at Days of Our Lives but TV GUIDE outted her as "Bin Laden's former mistress" and the sponsors had her fired, but the EP at "Days" got her hired as a "Ghost" writer for the other SONY soap and she's done several in the last year, she's about to consult on her first one for Disney/ABC.
If you know anything about soaps, then you know that they employ "consultants" and ghost writers all the time on their shows and Kola is one of the most popular ones right now.
Whatever Diane Dorce's experience with Door of Kush was, it wasn't any fault of mine or Kola's and I can certainly vouch that Kola did more to help Ms. Dorce get started than anyone ever did for Kola, and it was Kola who insisted we give Dorce a chance, the owners didn't like or want her manuscript, but Kola pushed it through, so I know Ms. Dorce hasn't bad mouthed either me or Kola Boof.
Kola has done nothing but try to help other black women writers and she's helped quite a few of them.
Ms. Boof also brough Chris Hayden in.
Kola makes and sells exquisite perfume and she plans to expand that into an online business in the next two years. Several actresses on Days of Our Lives and As the World Turns wear Kola's perfumes, but she isn't public yet, because she has to get liscences and permits and things.
I do know that I posted some of Kola's free recipes for perfume on this very site.
Perfume is easy to make and can be made at home.
If you give Kola a bouquet of flowers she'll make it into perfume. She does that all the time and she's been making perfume since she was a teenager in D.C.
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Kola_boof
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Wow, Nafisa,
You've been socking it to them, girlfriend.
LOL!!!
Thank you
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A_womon
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HAH! The shit is beginning to stink and piling up a mile high!! |
A_womon
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Seems a little strange for an editor to go to such lengths for a client, friend or not. Mine would more than likely ask what was wrong with my fingers and where are the re-writes. LMAO
HAHAHAHAHAA! And you know this! So very true, Linda... |
A_womon
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By the way Nafisa, My question was an honest one and deserved an honest answer. Your snide, snotty reply only confirmed for me what many others suspect. You and Kola are one and the same and you're really fooling no one, despite what you think and no matter how much you post to the contrary. |
Kola_boof
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A_womon,
Apparently you ARE fooled if you think that
Nafisa Goma and I are the same person.
We're not.
And what business is it of yours what we
do?
Remember...
you're the one interested in us, not the
other way around.
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Nafisa_goma
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Post Number: 212
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Hey Kola.
A_Womon I haven't posted any snide snotty
comments, that's the territory of yourself
and some other women here.
You aren't as smart as you claim to be.
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A_womon
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You aren't as smart as you claim to be.
That line fits YOU and your psychopathic split personality perfectly! Any other remarks you want to post about yourself(ves)? HMMMMMM?? HHAHAHA! What A JOKE! |
Kola_boof
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It is a joke to us, A_Womon seeing as we know who we are and you don't.
We're laughing at your ass...just as I bet Troy used to laugh when people insisted that THUMPER was really Troy all those years.
It's called "Cyberspace Paranoia".
Only thing is--Nafisa has edited other authors on this board, not just me.
And she's much more than my editor. You don't have the personal relationship with your editor that Nafisa and I have--you have a strictly business relationship. We are practically sisters.
And I reiterate, if we're the same person, then why are you wasting precious life engaging us?
We're not going anymore and there's nothing you can do about it...so what's your plug for?
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A_womon
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HAHAHAH! YOU ARE SO FREAKING OBVIOUS!!! |
A_womon
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One answer to your question. Because I can. And there aint a damned thing you can do about it is there?
And you don't have to go anywhere. I enjoy the show. Watching you trip yourself up OVER and freaking OVER again. Just because people don't comment on your dumb ish, doesn't mean they don't see through it. |
A_womon
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We're laughing at your ass. Me, myself, and I along with all of my other alters! HAHAHAHAHAHA! |
Kola_boof
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A_Womon,
After all these years, it should be
SO CLEAR that I don't give a fuckk about
what you think you see.
To me...you ARE shit just for attacking
me and accusing of me of something that isn't
true.
But after so long on this board, I can't
imagine WHY you would think I care about
your opinion, your hypotheses or anything
else.
You're nobody to me.
But I'm obviously somebody to you.
Let's keep it that way.
And this is my very last post to you.
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Nafisa_goma
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Kola, this is what I don't understand.
Why would we care if they think we're the
same person?
They keep going on and on as if we would
actually care.
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A_womon
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If I'm nobody to you and you don't give a shit, why answer my post?? Unh Hunh? Don't be mad cuz you still can't land a real publisher and even after all of your soap opera shit YOU STILL HAVEN'T! AHAHHAHAH. AND WONT. Boy! That must really gall you! You wrote for a soap but you can't get a decent publisher and have to settle for damn lame ass door of kush. HAHAHAHHA
Oh yeah I forgot, only Kush is worthy!! HAHAHAHHA! RIIIIIIIIIIGHT! |
Kola_boof
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Girl, I don't know.
Maybe they're expecting some big soap opera
style CONFESSION on the witness stand or
something.
They're just simple bi/tches, really.
If you notice, they write A LOT about nothing,
and their hearts are bursting with bad wishes
for me....just because.
That's the kind of people they are. They've
never accepted me.
Anyway they could twist me into somebody else,
they've always done that.
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A_womon
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OH BLAH BLAH FREAKIN BLAH! I'm going to bed. Night night! But one last question before I go... If you and Nafisa are such great pals, sisters really, why don't you just call each other on the phone instead of talking on this board this late at night? HMMMMMMMMM?? HHAHAHHHAA! Good night! |
Nafisa_goma
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Wow.
The bad fortune you wish on Kola A_Womon is what will eventually come back on you.
You're also in for some major surprises according to what you just wrote.
I pity people like you.
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Nafisa_goma
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Kola's on the phone with Abm so I can't talk to her.
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A_womon
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oooooooo I'm scared. Is that what's going on with you, you're reaping all the bad things you have said about others??? Pity your damn self. |
A_womon
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Unh hunh and where's ABM's wife dumbass? |
Mzuri
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Typical sock puppet behavior.
And WTF are you calling bitches???
"Liya Kebede (sp)" Why can't you spell your own client's name?
"Liscences and permits and things?"
Nafola, if all those people were using your perfume, why aren't they talking about it?
Where's the demand?
Why do you find it necessary to continue blowing your own horn?
Taking a perfume formula into production isn't that complicated, that's what licensing agents and perfume houses are for.
Why don't you spend less time being a broken record (and talking to yourself) by obsessively reposting, repeating and regurgitating the same redundant garbage, and go do something productive?
As to you not "stooping" to writing any unnecessary rants, it's too late for you since this forum is flooded with entirely too much of your vomit.
And once again, nobody's jealous of your perfume making, ghost writing, and incessant name-dropping - which if you had a half-an-ounce of class you'd cease doing since it's tacky and it isn't done in polite society.
But you wouldn't know a thing about that since you are a heathen who prays to the trees and the river gods, right?
LOLOLOLOL!!! Sorry wench.
Are you ever going to comprehend that nobody here is buying your duplicitous vomitus???
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Kola_boof
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LOL!!!
Don't say that, Nafisa, because ABM's wife
won't like it.
ONE BIT.
But you make a really great point--though
she's too dense to get it.
Leave her alone. She's said all she needed
to say to me--for life.
And I know who she is. SMH.
Due to her lack of talent...she's the
one whose career won't be going anywhere.
Especially after her first book flops.
Which it will.
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Kola_boof
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Nafisa say nothing else to her.
This is exactly what LAMBD was talking
about. She's a toxic "crab in a barrel".
Just let her rant, rant, rant....
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A_womon
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Lambd don't give a shit about you and he hasn't been to any of your dumb shit either. Just another of your lies. YOU ARE The QUEEN of FLOPS. And all those other people you claim to have helped with your "contacts" HA! Of course Nafisa will listen to your demand to say nothing else to me---you are her! YOU doodoo brain! HA! |
A_womon
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I'm not saying the people you lied to about the door of kush are flops===just you |
A_womon
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Kola, This is on the real. You need to take Nafisa and yall both need to have your head shrunk for a couple of years. Really. You're beyond crazy, but the right doctor might be able to help bring you back. |
Kola_boof
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Glad I can mail that quote to Lambd, who came on this board himself and told Cynique and others about meeting me in person---which just goes to show WHO is a liar.
HAHA!!!
This bit/ch is JEALOUS.
He's also coming to see me in N.Y. and I'll be sure and TELEPHONE him in the morning...just to talk about the remarks of a NO-talent "crab scab".
Btw...Lamdb says that my book "Flesh and the Devil" is one of his 3 favorite books of ALL TIME.
That level of writing...lives forever.
And, of course, publishing with a company
that I partly own gives me a much bigger INCOME
from royalties than I would make at a major
house who isn't offering enough.
I'll go major...when they're ready to PAY more
than what I get at DOK.
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Nafisa_goma
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I'm not saying the people you lied to about the door of kush are flops===just you
Actually it's the other way around. Kola Boof has been our only moneymaker.
Her books sell in bulk to colleges and she's
big in London and Belgium.
I don't know where this lady gets her information.
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Mzuri
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Jealous
Of
What
Exactly?
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A_womon
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just to talk about the remarks of a NO-talent "crab scab".
Damn Kola, don't dog yourself out that way!
I'll go major...when they're ready to PAY more
than what I get at DOK.
You'll go major NEVER cuz they don't want your dumb shit! DOK payin your ass so much, why you damn BAROKE?????
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A_womon
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Someone's JEALOUS all right. BUT IT AIN'T ME! HAHAHAHHAHA! And D. Lamb STILL don't give a shit about you KB. Guess how I know???? hmmmmmmmmmm???? |
Kola_boof
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Post Number: 4747
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 20, 2007 - 01:50 am: |
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Nafisa,
A_Womon doesn't write the kind of books they
study in colleges.
So she doesn't even realize that's a major
market.
She has no clue what you're talking about.
Just drop it, 'cause I used to really like her
but now my feelings are seriously hurt.
All over some shit she believes that's not
true.
Let her think we're the same person. She's
nothing to me anymore.
Glad I know her real face.
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A_womon
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Username: A_womon
Post Number: 1734
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 20, 2007 - 01:52 am: |
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Damn, I feel like I'm in that Johnny Depp movie called Secret Window. You know the one where he was a writer named Mort Rainey but he split into another personality named John somebody or other, I forget. But all I can hear right now is the last line his wife spoke before he killed her.
YOU ARE MORT RAINEY! YOU ARE MORT RAINEY! |
Kola_boof
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Post Number: 4748
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Votes: 2 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 20, 2007 - 01:53 am: |
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A_Womon I'll be sure and pass your
lies on to D LAMBD tomorrow.
BTW...he's driving ALL THE WAY from
Washington D.C. to New York City just
to see me on Sept. 16th----so that's
an awful lot of caring.
And I'm sorry he didn't want to be
your boyfriend---which is what I guess
this is all about.
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A_womon
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Post Number: 1735
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 20, 2007 - 01:54 am: |
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YOU ARE NAFISA GOMAH! YOU ARE NAFISA GOMAH!! AHHAAHHAHAHHAHA! |
Nafisa_goma
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Post Number: 217
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 20, 2007 - 01:58 am: |
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LOL!
This woman is having a nervous breakdown
because she thinks we're the same person.
Kola--YOU ARE POWERFUL!!!!!!
I didn't know about the thing with Mr. Lamb
So that's why she's upset
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A_womon
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Post Number: 1736
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 20, 2007 - 01:58 am: |
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HE DIDN'T???? OH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoo! WHY???? WHY????? WASN'T I GOOD ENGOUGH??? DAMN! DAMN! And he tried so hard! I mean...And I TRIED SO HARD to get his ass.... sniff sniff... OH WHY OH WHY did I have to FIND OUT FROM... NAFISA! UH RUH, I MEAN KOLA!!!! NO NAFISA! NO KOLA!NO! hahahahahhahah!!!! |
Nafisa_goma
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Post Number: 218
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 20, 2007 - 02:00 am: |
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Kola Boof is booked for September 16th:
http://www.afrigeneas.com/forum-writers/index.cgi?read=2928
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A_womon
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Post Number: 1737
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 20, 2007 - 02:01 am: |
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didn't know about the thing with Mr. Lamb
So that's why she's upset
What??? You mean your sister KOLA didn't tell you??? Didn't you read her posts about D. Lambd and me???? WELL IM SHOCKED! HAHAHAHAH! |
Kola_boof
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Post Number: 4749
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 20, 2007 - 02:07 am: |
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LAMBD is no more than a friend
Nafisa.
He's read two of my books and was
really moved by my speech in D.C., and
every since then, he says I'm one of
his favorite authors and that he will
come to see me read anywhere.
You know him by his real name--the one
who was my bodyguard for the 2nd DC
event at Karibu.
The tall fine ass buff black guy who
sent the tulips a few years back.
There is NOTHING between us, but he
is driving up to N.Y. just to see me
and she used to "talk" to him and
was "liking" him, but it didn't turn
romantic.
I've never said ANYTHING but nice things
about her to Lambd....and he's only said
nice things about her to me.
Lambd is a Police Detective.
He already has a live-in girlfriend.
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Mzuri
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Post Number: 5349
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 20, 2007 - 02:07 am: |
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The only person having a nervous breakdown is you Nafola.
Simple wench.
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Cynique
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Post Number: 9353
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Man! I signed off too early. You gotta hand it to kola for being able to switch back and forth between herself and "Nafisa", and then actually carrying on a coversation with herself. LOL But she's got it down pat since she's been doing it for so long. Poor kola. All of this could be avoided if she would just stop insulting people's intelligence, and stop expecting everyone to think that she and "Nafisa" just happen to always pop up at the same time no matter what time of night or day it is. All kola has to do is announce to the board when she has something good to share and let it go at that instead of all of the lies and exaggerations and subtefuge that anybody can see through But then I guess kola can't help herself. She does, as somebody noted, have a personality disorder and her desperate need for praise and attention, along with her ego-centrism drive her to the machinations she engages in to get it. BTW, I never got the impression that LAMBD was her "bodyguard", or that an Amazon like kola even needed a bodyguard but that's typical of the way kola embellishes everything. And I'm sure LAMBD doesn't appreciate her revealing his profession to everybody. |
Mzuri
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Post Number: 5358
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 20, 2007 - 12:31 pm: |
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Probably not. But how could you expect a "lady" who has posted pix of her tits and ass all over the internet to have the ability to discern what a normal person considers to be private/personal information. This is beyond her limited level of comprehension. Plus she's too busy trying to impress people with her name dropping - ala "my dog gets groomed at the same pet grooming salon as Oprah's dog's twin's cousin's momma." LOLOL!
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Libralind2
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Post Number: 894
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, July 22, 2007 - 05:03 pm: |
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This is beyond popcorn...I need PIZZA !!!!!!
LiLi |
Linda
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Post Number: 189
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Nafisa/Kola
"They're just simple bi/tches, really."
Apparently, you find it necessary as usual to stoop to the level of calling people out of their names. You don't want too go there with me again on this Kola! I responded to a question asked by A_woman that I found to be a very valid question that could have been of benefit to other writers in their relationships with their editors. Everyone knows that most auhtors do not have such close relationships as what you claim to have with Nafisa/yourself/whatever. However, you have once again showed you still lack the patience or class to dignify the readers/aspiring authors with timely and professional answers without showing how to not act in the public eye. Your writing may be read and wanted but the price some would pay to ask you to attend many of the events and venures will always be too high because of all the unwanted drama you bring along. For once, you might try to be the strong person you claim to be, tone down your hostility and have some dignity for yourself when asked questions about writing experiences that others really want to know about. If you stop trying to answer every remark made about you with such negativly then perhaps you might attain more rewards in the business. You know my email, Troy's email and Thumpers and where we are if you feel the need once more to come to this board with your BS. Grow up and inform your alters/editor/whoever just what this board is about and who is the staff. |
Linda
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Post Number: 190
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 23, 2007 - 04:36 pm: |
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Hello AALBC Fam:
Please excuse the mis-spellings! |
Sisg
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Username: Sisg
Post Number: 286
Registered: 01-2004
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Ummm, a flop huh.....well, check this out, i will be one of the featured authors at the 2008 NBCC...and that's thanks to my fans and those that appreciated my first effort. There really is no need to put another person down, in order to lift yourself up...my writing stands for itself and i am happy about where i am, and where i'm heading. Now with that said, You all have a nice day.
http://www.nationalbookclubconference.com/authors.aspx
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A_womon
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Post Number: 1757
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, July 24, 2007 - 04:38 pm: |
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Wow Sisg! I'm going to be at that conference as well! So we will finally get to meet! Hopefully... |
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