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Imtiredowaiting
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Username: Imtiredowaiting
Post Number: 5
Registered: 09-2007
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 03, 2007 - 07:15 am: | 
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i feel quite sure that most places in america and the uk are aware of the message that jw's preach from door to door.
basically it is the same message that jesus taught people to teach when he was on earth.
he said that this means everlasting life to those that take in knowledge of jehovah god and the one he sent forth as a ransom for adam and eve's sin.
jesus also taught people about gods heavenly kingdom which would eventually replace all human governments and it itself will rule to times indefinate?
and why?
well because whether we believe it or not, all human governments are actually under the influence of satan the devil.
if you read the bible it shows us that the devil has given his authority to the wild beast
(all human governments) and we all know that to this very day human governments are often corrupt and approve of things that cause harm like tobacco wars etc.
who else but satan would approve of such wickedness?
also babylon the great..the world empire of false religion is also controlled by satan and his demons.
it serves his purpose which is to mislead us and keep us from serving the only true god which is "yahweh" more commonly known as "jehovah" which means i cause to become.
which is appropiate afterall he is the source and creator of all life forms human and animal.
the bible also says quite clearly that there is no salvation in any other name except jesus.
therefore that means prophets such as mohammed and buddah are false and yet many follow them believing they are true prophets.
therefore jehovahs people are existing as a bright light in a spiritually darkened world, using the teaching of jesus as a map which if we follow strictly will lead us safely through armegeddon.
the bible predicts that "babylon the great" the world empire of false religion which is made up of all religions and ideas contrary to the teachings of christ such as islam, buddist,catholism,satanism,shinto etc etc, will be in a effect destroyed or closed down completely.
the bible tells us that jehovah himself will put it into the hearts of men to do it.
now that may seem bad...but rememember that babylon the great is opposed to true worship of jehovah alone, therefore it must be stopped permanantly.
now since all these things are absolutely sure to come true, this is why Jehovah's witnesses do the preaching work so that as many if not all people can be saved when Jehovah destroys this corrupt and wicked system of things.
we are actually all in a similar situation noah and his family were in.
jehovah told noah to warn the people to repent and in the meantime told him to build the ark which served as a place of safety when jehovah brought the flood upon the ancient wicked corrupt world of people.
in our time the place of safety is within jehovahs organisation.
unless we make ourselves part of that organization
when armegeddon strikes, we wont survive.
ask yourselves these questions?
does the church where you worship ever encourage you to do the preaching work from door to door?
do they tell you about "hell"?
do they tell you the dead carry on living as spirits or ghosts?
it is for a certainty they wont be teaching you to do the preaching work
and it is a certainty they will be teaching you about hell and many tell people their loved ones have gone to heaven.
well the latter 3 are not true in its teaching.
hell doesn't exist.
the bible describes hell as "sheol" which means a literal rubbish dump that existed in bible times
and that was the place where people dumped things that were no longer of any use to them and it would be burnt up in the fire.
now think about this...the bible tells us that death as the last enemy will actually be swallowed up forever and it also says that death will be thrown into sheol(hell)and be tormented day and night.
now we all know death is not a human therefore
how could it be tormented day and night?
what it actually means is jehovah will remove death from those that are on his side and put it into the rubbish dump (sheol)from which it will never return.
therefore we need not worry about death because it isnt a place of eternal torment, it just means that something once destroyed will not be permitted to return.
in the same way if you or i threw a piece of paper into a blazing fire you would not expect that paper to remain..
also the bible tells us that the dead are conscious of nothing
therefore it is impossible to talk to a dead person.
the person's imitating our loved one's are actually the demons because they want us to believe that the dead are still alive in spirit but they are not alive because the bible makes it clear.
therefore if you are involved in spiritism
it is wise to abandon it immediately because you would be bringing yourselves under the influence of satan and his demons.
you could rightly describe jehovahs people as firemen leading us out of a condemned building.
afterall iif your apartment was ablaze would you stubbornly remain in the building only to be burnt to death?
of course you wouldnt!
you would run for your lives!
our true christian firemen and women our working day and night on our behalf because the building(all human society opposed to true worship of jehovah.. here on earth)is destined to destruction, therefore this is why jw's do the work they do.
it is an expression of love and concern for all humankind
an expression and act you sadly will not find
anywhere else.
yes, churches may say to us come on in!
but actually we ought to be leaving!
because since they are part of babylon the great destined to destruction, unless we wish to go down with it, we should heed the warning from jehovah's people.
remember too that people in noah's time took no note of his warning and carried on their lives as normal
until the flood came ans washed their lives away .
it will no different for us.
therefore if we desire to experience what the bible describes as the "real life" under the rulership of jehovah's heavenly government in which all those that survive Armageddon will be healed and restored to human perfection on a new paradise earth.
and one last thing, it is true that jehovahs witnesses have suffered bad publicity in recent times due to bad apples within the basket
but they are removed swiftly so as to protect the flock and remove reproach from jehovahs name.
so dont be stumbled by recent bad things you have heard...jehovahs are still and always will be the true christians.
remember also that the christian congregations of jehovahs people had their share of problems and we can rightly put that down to human imperfection and no doubt the influence of satan and the world.
regardless of the problems jehovahs people that remain faithful till the end will survive armedgedon.
we can be among the survivors.
i know it is hard because we are so used to living our lives the way we choose..afterall we all have freewill.
but would you say that we are using our free will in a good enpowering way?
for example has the habit of smoking enpowered people?
well it has made many rich but at the expense of causing the death of millions.
therefore to obey to jehovahs commandments is not a burden because if we actually did it would spare us from needless suffering.
also sex outside marriage would spare us from unwanted pregnancy, aids,etc.
therefore again it is to our benefit when we take notice of jehovah in all our ways.
and on a grander scale if we respond to his message being preached by his people all over the world.
i am convinced that if we all lived by gods commandments our world would be a much better place.
yes we would still suffer because we are imperfect people due to our first parents adam and eve,
but there would be the suffering caused by wars drugs crime tobacco consumption racism etc etc.
i would be so glad to know what you all think on what i have written.
regards.
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Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 10132
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 03, 2007 - 11:50 am: |
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My feelings are is that what you say is common knowledge and that you don't have to be a Christian to be aware of universal truths. The idea that there's only one way to connect with a higher power is to preach the bible is why I retreat into the temple of my soul and contemplate the wisdom of Zen Buddhism, listening to the sound of one hand clapping, comfortable with the idea that god is the pause between heartbeats. |
Imtiredowaiting
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Username: Imtiredowaiting
Post Number: 7
Registered: 09-2007
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 03, 2007 - 12:51 pm: |
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everyone is free to follow whatever appeals to them cynique...if buddhism does it for you.... carry on.
my advice if you don't mind is i hope it wont lead to disappointment for you and other followers. |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 10139
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 03, 2007 - 01:22 pm: |
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And I wish the same for you and your followers, Imtiredowaiting. Your blind faith doesn't make you immune to disappointment because your religion isn't any more valid or viable than any other one. |
Ntfs_encryption
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Username: Ntfs_encryption
Post Number: 2717
Registered: 10-2005
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 03, 2007 - 02:21 pm: |
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"i feel quite sure that most places in america and the uk are aware of the message that jw's preach from door to door.
basically it is the same message that jesus taught people to teach when he was on earth.
he said that this means everlasting life to those.................
............crime tobacco consumption racism etc etc. i would be so glad to know what you all think on what i have written. regards."
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Imtiredowaiting
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Username: Imtiredowaiting
Post Number: 10
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 03, 2007 - 02:33 pm: |
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cynique
thanks for your response.
i feel i must tell you that I'm not actually a jw
I'm just studying with them..trying to bring my life into line with the teachings of jesus.
and you are correct that even jw's stumble
but if they get up and redouble their effort to remain faithful and endure to the end, the bible gives the assurance that it will not lead to disappointment.
I'm sorry to say this but it is true...Babylon the great which is made up of all religions that teach and practice things that are contrary to the bible
are destined to be in effect closed down.
therefore does it make sense to bury one's head in the sand if these things are destined to take place?
who knows?
you and i may not live to see the day it happens but if we do
if i am babtised before that day, my faith will be strengthened, but yours will be crushed.
and yet i would not be rejoicing for that reason
i would just be glad that Jehovah's promise although long waited on, will have finally come true.
that day Jehovah will be praised and his people will have cause to rejoice.
i know who's side i would prefer to be on on that day
but who knows? i may not make it.
because i am still imperfect and prone to sin
in fact that is why many stumble and are dis fellowshipped.
but as i wrote in my initial post, even the Christian congregations in bible times had problems
but they dealt with them and carried on.
and so modern day jw's do today despite the problems they have from time to time.
i still believe they will survive the great tribulation that is due to come in upon the entire inhabited earth very soon.
who knows? sin may get the better of me before hand and i end up going down with this system of things.
you see cynique this is the challenge for people today to repent and study get babtised and join in the preaching campaign.
you look at people in the world today..busy doing this doing that.
ask them if they are willing to study the bible
the chances are they will say they are not interested or have not got the time to spare.
or they could be caught up in drugs crime or whatever.
but they can change.
before i started studying i was heavily into using drugs and i messed up my life and hit rock bottom.
but with time i changed
but I'm not complacent
if anything once you get on the path to salvation it becomes harder because one has to fight the urge to give into sin.
i assume that is why many stumble or choose to carry on because they feel it is too difficult to change.
i well know that people hate Jehovah's witnesses
because they are the only ones that preach about gods kingdom in heaven being the only hope for obedient mankind.
and also they stick strictly to what the bible says.
but more importantly they are the only one's doing gods will in a system that is corrupted and under the power of Satan and his demons.
of course people will scoff at that and say oh that is nonsense!
but the demons are happy if people say that because it means they are having an effect on peoples attitudes and thoughts.
do you know that the bible even predicts a time when people will actually say to each other that (jw's)are the ones that are doing gods will and let us follow them!
that is happening now but I'm sure that as we draw nearer to the end of this system that prophecy will become more apparent.
jw's truly are the worlds only Christian spiritual firemen and women.
corny phase i know!
but i think it is appropriate because of what they do.
just like firemen rescue and lead people to safety, jw's do exactly the same but in a spiritual sense
and it is the right thing to do because we are all facing potential destruction and just like when a literal destruction is forewarned by the governments, you expect people to take action don't you.
i am sad to say this but if the preaching work is left to Babylon the great, there would be no hope for anyone.
jw's are therefore a responsible and truly god fearing people who practice loving their neighbor by preaching and teaching.
can anyone truly hold that against them as a crime?
compare the work they do and see the effect it has upon individuals and society on whole?
do they not have a reputation for being honest reliable and trustworthy?
is that not the kind of people this world needs?
has not dishonesty and crime on whole had a devastating effect upon human societies?
look at the harm the work of for example the tobacco trade and the illegal drug trade has had
upon people?
jw's practice none of those things and they earnestly strive to promote love honesty and righteousness to all that are willing to listen.
would you not say that if we all listened and practiced those things, the world would be a less stressful place in which to live?
ok because we are all imperfect, we would still suffer things common to humans but we would be spared of lung cancer caused by smoking..drug overdoses caused by people abusing their bodies etc etc.
now of course jw's are not the only ones that try hard to be good people
I'm sure you strive to be a good upright woman
but the difference is that along with good behavior,the jw's preach the good news
and that is of priceless value in Jehovah's eyes .
it is sad that we often view jw's as a cause
for complaint..oh no its them again!
even i am guilty of that from time to time because
i am imperfect and it is a struggle to change.
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Imtiredowaiting
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Username: Imtiredowaiting
Post Number: 11
Registered: 09-2007
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 03, 2007 - 02:36 pm: |
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@ ntfs
I'm glad i brightened up your day by making you laugh!
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Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 10142
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 03, 2007 - 02:57 pm: |
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I'm sure your sermon was well-meaning, Imtiredowaiting, but it was too long for me read, especially since it's pretty predictable what your preaching would be about and obviously your truth is not my truth. |
Imtiredowaiting
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Username: Imtiredowaiting
Post Number: 14
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 03, 2007 - 03:12 pm: |
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well
i appreciate your honesty cynique
and i will try to be less long winded in the future.
and btw my name is Trevor
a pleasure to exchange points of view with you.
i guess i'm just trying to practice what i have been studying you know.
i can assure you that i'm not trying to establish
myself as aalbc's preacher,
i just wanted to open a discussion on a topic avoided by many but nevertheless needs to be discussed i believe.
regards
T
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Ntfs_encryption
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Username: Ntfs_encryption
Post Number: 2719
Registered: 10-2005
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 03, 2007 - 03:31 pm: |
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"I'm glad i brightened up your day by making you laugh!"
No problem. Things like this make me laugh. I love humor. Keep it going...........
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Imtiredowaiting
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 03, 2007 - 03:34 pm: |
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i warn you i may charge a fee!
now I'm laughing!
hahaha |
A_womon
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Username: A_womon
Post Number: 1936
Registered: 05-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 03, 2007 - 06:29 pm: |
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JW's didn't even believe in Jesus before. They only include him now to try to ligitimize their religous stance as most religions acknowledge that Jesus is a part of history. And to try to persuade christians that they are on the same wavelegnth and therefore should be allowed to come into your home and "study" the bible with you whenever they like. |
Ntfs_encryption
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Username: Ntfs_encryption
Post Number: 2725
Registered: 10-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, October 04, 2007 - 02:55 pm: |
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"And to try to persuade christians that they are on the same wavelegnth and therefore should be allowed to come into your home and "study" the bible with you whenever they like."
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