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Sabiana
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 The Bushes: Justin, 16, left, Jeron, 14, Sandrea, 9, mom Regina, Stacey, 18, and Antonio, 13.
"I thought I was alone, that nobody would care for me," Stacey says about life before she was adopted by the family. "If I saw somebody like me, it would break my heart."
Love is colorblind
Black family's adoption of a white girl made national news in 1997, but they've proved family ties cross cultural divide
Francis X. Donnelly | The Detroit News
 Regina Bush talks strategy with her daughters, Stacey, left, and Sandrea during a family basketball game. Bush adopted Stacey 10 years ago, and Stacey credits Bush, a tough disciplinarian who teaches her children to stand up for themselves, for her success.
 Stacey Bush goes for a shot during a pickup game with her siblings Antonio, left, Jeron and Sandrea. "I want to show people I'm successful. Not money successful, but love-strength-happiness successful," Stacey says.
When teen Stacey Bush isn't making the honor roll, she's at one of two jobs, or tutoring sixth-graders, or volunteering at a soup kitchen, or supervising kids at a Boys and Girls Club.
She feels like she has something to prove, and a lot of people to prove it to.
In a 1997 case that drew national attention, a state agency tried to prevent Stacey from being adopted because of "cultural issues." She is white and her adoptive mom is black.
The adoption was approved and, for the past decade, Stacey has prospered in her new home. She has accomplished things once doubted by naysayers even as she witnessed discrimination from a rare view -- as a white adopted by a black.
"I thought I was alone, that nobody would care for me," she said about life before the adoption. "If I saw somebody like me, it would break my heart."
The adoption of whites by blacks is rare and controversial.
Of 11,000 adoptions in Michigan from 2001-05, the last year available, only 78 were blacks adopting whites. During that time, 677 whites adopted blacks.
The National Association of Black Social Workers, which has opposed biracial adoptions for 35 years, once likened it to "cultural genocide," and said it's important for children to grow up in their own culture.
"Culture is the bridge that links the present with the past, and the past with the future," according to the Washington, D.C., group's policy statement on biracial adoption. "It is a person's values, beliefs, learnings, practices and understandings."
A representative of the organization declined to discuss the subject.
But Stacey, 18, says she hasn't been hampered by cultural differences. Rather, she has blossomed.
She recently won awards for community service, finished second in the state for the Boys and Girls Club's youth of the year, won several college scholarships and plans to attend Central Michigan University in the fall.
The Boys and Girls Club of Greater Flint said Stacey is a role model because she didn't allow the controversy surrounding her adoption to stop her.
"She looked at them (challenges) as stepping stones," said Mark Serra, the group's development director. "It's just amazing to see how she handles herself."
A life of abuse, neglect
In her short life, Stacey has known all types of parents -- biological, foster and adopted.
But, until Regina Bush, those mothers and fathers represented a litany of abuse, neglect and rejection, according to the Bushes and state records.
Her biological mother, who was schizophrenic and moved from home to home, roamed the streets with her children in a shopping cart. She scoured Dumpsters and collected bottles along highways to turn in for their deposits.
"She was crazy, but I know she loved me," Stacey said. Her mom lost contact with the rest of her family.
The state took control of the children when Stacey was 6, and she flitted in and out of foster homes. She was a hyper child who was hard to control, she said.
Regina Bush, who was in the process of adopting Stacey's biracial stepsister, decided to adopt Stacey to keep them together.
"You're talking about a child who has been through it all," Regina Bush said. "Everything you can imagine happening to a kid has happened to her."
Regina Bush had to file a federal lawsuit before receiving the state's blessing to adopt Stacey, but not before undergoing a battery of tests.
Mom passed tests
She took psychological exams. A social worker visited her home for 10 hours to watch her interact with her children.
She was asked whether she would prepare food differently for Stacey and whether she would take a class to learn how to wash a white person's hair.
"Why would I prepare food differently?" she asked. "All my children love hamburgers and french fries."
Bush, 46, a welfare eligibility specialist with the state, is a single mom of eight. Two are biological and the others are adopted.
Bill Johnson, superintendent of the Michigan Children's Institute, which oversees state adoptions, said his agency was concerned about more than race in Bush's case.
She was a single parent with a full-time job who was taking care of five children.
He said the state weighs many factors in placing a child in a home, including race, stability of the home and willingness of the parent.
"We would try to match as best we can a child with a family that is consistent with that child's background so the child is comfortable," he said.
As for Stacey, who had moved through so many different homes before finding the welcoming arms of Bush, she didn't care that the color of those arms were different from her own.
In a lifetime of tumult, it was the best change she had ever experienced.
Others raised questions
But the rest of society wasn't as colorblind.
The family drew looks and comments when they went out in public.
At Arby's, a customer asked Stacey why she was about to get into a car full of blacks -- her mom and siblings.
At school, classmates asked why she spoke and acted black. They called her a black girl in a white person's body and the blackest white girl they knew.
Instead of being hampered by a lifetime of difficulty, she used it to spur herself on. She wanted to prove wrong all the people who had given up on her.
"I want to show people I'm successful," she said. "Not money successful, but love-strength-happiness successful."
She credits her mom, a tough disciplinarian who teaches her children to stand up for themselves.
Stacey wants to help children whose lives were as difficult as her own. Toward that end, she's going to become a teacher.
As for children of her own, she wrote on her MySpace page several years ago that she didn't want any.
But she has softened her view. She can imagine the day when she might have a baby. If and when she does, she said, it would be the most-loved child in the world.
You can reach Francis X. Donnelly at (313) 223-4186 or fdonnelly@detnews.com.
© Copyright 2007 The Detroit News. All rights reserved.
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Yorubaprincess
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Beautiful story! |
Ntfs_encryption
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Good. A family which crosses racial adoption lines can face a gauntlet of issues. But if they are willing to address the issues head on and provide a loving and nurturing environment for a child who has not family or home, well, more power to them. I'd rather see a child in a mixed home rather than being warehoused and isolated somewhere in a group home and never receive the benefits of attention, love and security.
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Renata
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The same thing happened to a MS woman. She adopted a few black kids and one mixed race child with no problems. When she tried to adopt a white child, the agency said that she had "severe mental problems" and needed evaluation before she could adopt again.
What does it say that they didn't mind this woman with "severe mental problems" to adopt more than one black child if they were so concerned about her mental health?
Apparently, crazy people are "good enough" for black kids.
And I don't think I even have to mention how often white people adopt black kids if they want them, and with NO RESISTANCE.
Fuk adoption agencies. They only want the best, same race, financially stable families for white kids. But will give a black kid to anybody who comes and asks for one. |
Yorubaprincess
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 19, 2007 - 11:18 am: |
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I agree with Renata on this. |
Ntfs_encryption
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 19, 2007 - 11:31 am: |
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"Fuk adoption agencies. They only want the best, same race, financially stable families for white kids. But will give a black kid to anybody who comes and asks for one."
Good point. I agree. Unfortunately, black children are disproportionally represented as the most unwanted and unadoptable group of children. Whites will physically go to Russia or China and endure a maze of obstacles to adopt a child. There is a dearth of blue eyed Aryan babies. Finding one for adoption is like looking for a fallen $50 bill in the parking lot. And I have no problems with that since I admire anyone who is willing to adopt an unwanted or family-less child regardless of their race or ethnicity.
Black children are the hardest to place because no one wants them. Their irresponsible mothers could not keep them, American black men have established (and well deserved) notoriety for not recognizing or supporting their children, they are disconnected from other family members and often times, there are severe behavior problems with these children (for obvious and understand able reasons). Since there are not enough blacks willing or capable of adopting black children, enter white people. Did you know one of the largest groups for adopting black children are Canadian whites? Until Negroes desist with having children and abandoning them (which is not going to happen in my, your or your children's life time), they have no right to complain nor protest about anyone willing to take unwanted black children into heir homes. E'nuff said......
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Chrishayden
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Wait till she gets emancipated and spits in their faces-- |
Yvettep
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Great article--Thanks for posting. BTW, the NABSW position paper referenced in the article is frquently misquoted, misinterpreted, or just plain mis-taken by the media--often making Black social workers look like boogy(wo)men. Anyone who is interested, I'd encourage you read their statement in full:
Most recent position paper, "Preserving Families of African Ancestry©": http://www.nabsw.org/mserver/PreservingFamilies.aspx?menuContext=757
The initial policy statement on preserving families of African ancestry was approved at the National Association of Black Social Workers (NABSW) Fourth Annual Conference in 1972. Known for this statement for over three decades, the emphasis has not wavered. Many thought that the organization's position focused exclusively on transracial adoption. Yet, this was one component of the position statement, which instead emphasized the importance of and barriers to preserving families of African ancestry.
In 1994, a more expansive document, Preserving African American families, reinforced the 1972 position statement by stressing the following:
(1) "stopping unnecessary out-of-home placements;
(2) reunification of children with parents;
(3) placing children of African ancestry with relatives or unrelated families of the same face and culture for adoption;.
(4) addressing the barriers that prevent or discourage persons of African ancestry from adopting;
(5) promoting culturally relevant agency practices; and,
(6) emphasizing that "transracial adoption of an African American child should only be considered after documented evidence of unsuccessful same race placements has been reviewed and supported by appropriate representatives of the African American community" (NABSW, 1994, p. 4)...
An excerpt of the original 1972 position statement: http://uoregon.edu/~adoption/archive/NabswTRA.htm
...We fully recognize the phenomenon of transracial adoption as an expedient for white folk, not as an altruistic humane concern for black children. The supply of white children for adoption has all but vanished and adoption agencies, having always catered to middle class whites developed an answer to their desire for parenthood by motivating them to consider black children. This has brought about a re-definition of some black children. Those born of black-white alliances are no longer black as decreed by immutable law and social custom for centuries. They are now black-white, inter-racial, bi-racial, emphasizing the whiteness as the adoptable quality; a further subtle, but vicious design to further diminish black and accentuate white. We resent this high-handed arrogance and are insulted by this further assignment of chattel status to black people. . . .
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Cynique
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 19, 2007 - 12:37 pm: |
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Shades of the old Steve Martin movie classic, "The Jerk". |
Yvettep
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Black children are the hardest to place because no one wants them.
Ntfs, this is an incredible oversimplification of the complex issues involved in the racial disparities in out-of-home placement. Unfortunately, it is the view that too many folks have.
More Black parents are recognizing that they do have recourse when the State attempts to terminate their parental rights. These rights of birth parents must be carefully balanced with rights and best interests of children. But such consideration can and, increasingly, is being made.
I strongly recommend Dorothy Roberts' book, "Shattered Bonds: The Color of Child Welfare." She has also written shorter pieces, some that are available on-line if you Google-search. Another shorter piece is by one of my professional mentors, Ruth McRoy: http://www.hunter.cuny.edu/socwork/nrcfcpp/downloads/mcroy-transcript.pdf.
I know you and many others have strong opinions on this issue. But it is important to examine the issues more closely and not be so quick to believe the hype of prevailing "wisdom" about the causes and cures for Black children in the child welfare system. |
Chrishayden
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Try to take care of your own and help the children of your friends and relatives I say.
It's rough out here and lots of people are not going to make it |
Yorubaprincess
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black kids thrown on the slag heap every day. more little black girls are raped before they reach age 5 than any other group. |
Serenasailor
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black kids thrown on the slag heap every day. more little black girls are raped before they reach age 5 than any other group.
I was thinking the same thing Yorubaprincess. With all the little Black children needing GOOD homes the only child this woman thought was worthy of needing a GOOD home was some White girl??
LIKE BLONDE HAIRED WHITE CHILDREN REALLY HAVE A PROBLEM GETTING ADOPTED!!
It also reminds me of what I heard years ago. About these "colorstruck" Black ppl only adopted the light-skinned and mixed race children.
INTERESTING!! |
Ntfs_encryption
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"I was thinking the same thing Yorubaprincess. With all the little Black..........
........"colorstruck" Black ppl only adopted the light-skinned and mixed race children.
INTERESTING!!"
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Sabiana
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Where did you hear this from? Do you have any data to back it up at all?
We are talking about 'black children' period, which can vary between any hues.
It's actually INTERESTING that you can manage to connect anything to colorism.
Typical convo...
Me: Oh yeah, did you hear about the sucessful black woman at the "_________" Coporation?
SS: See, this is why I can't stand America! She's probably light skin! Light skin people have an easier time getting jobs.
Me: Well, I did not mention what she looked at all..and why should it matter?
SS: See, you are just colorstruck!!!!
Me:But....but...she's actually a brown skinned toned woman, you jumped to conclusions.
SS:...............
SS: You are a self-hating Negro!!!!!
Me:......mentally..Wait, isn't he just as colorist as the people he's claims to be?
A Black Woman with a almond skin enters the cofee shop..attractive and well dressed.
Me: I love her clothes. She's quite pretty.
SS: SEE. YOU ARE ONLY THINK THAT BECAUSE SHE IS LIGHT SKINNED!! YOU ARE BRAINWASHED by America!!!!!!
The coffee shop is in silence. I stand to give SS his medication.
Me: But she actually is pretty. Look at how her features match with her face. Proportional no? This has nothing to do with colorism.
SS: YOU ARE A SELF-HATING NEGRO!!!
Me.....Sighhhh.....gets out celphone, calling mental instiution.
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Sabiana
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* I actually did find the article you posted to be interesting.
Sometimes you need to turn in it down a little bit, a be more.....aware.
(And then Nt will stop with the funny "stupid icons" though I don't wan't him to, lol |
Serenasailor
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Notice how high-yella heifas like Sabiana always try to avoid the OBVIOUS!!
Notice how defensive she becomes whenever the subject is about Black ppl rejecting eachother based on skin color.
But I guess she never has to worry about that. Because her own colorstruck daddy already cleansed the 'gene' pool for her. I guess you are used to being treated like a 'star' where you are from. But bring yo yella ass out here to L.A and see how these Black men treat you.
THEN YOU WILL KNOW WHAT IT IS LIKE FOR A 'REAL' BLACK WOMAN!!
Somthing yo 'mutt' ass never had to feel before. Always tring to avoid the subject because if you had to acknowledge it you would have to realize that all the Negro men in your family are the EXACT SAME WAY!!
Like Kola said I am "SICK AS HELL" of seeing Black babies being scorned, and tossed aside in favor of White/biracial children.
AGAIN LIKE LITTLE BLONDE HAIRED WHITE GIRLS HAVE A PROBLEM IN OUR SOCIETY BEING ADOPTED!!Like they face any kind of rejection in our society. But of course you have no problem reinforcing White womens position in our society because that ultimately means reinforcing your own position in our society. And as long as the White woman is on 'top'. Her little high yella, bi/multi-racial sister gets to sit right beside her.
So again I see why you get SO DEFENSIVE!!! |
Kola_boof
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SerenaSailor:
Notice how defensive she (Sabiana) becomes whenever the subject is about Black ppl rejecting eachother based on skin color.
KOLA:
Very true, Serena, and of course, it's been well documented (and anyone with two eyes can see) that Black People routinely seek out to adopt light skinned/biracial children and will specify this to the agencies...and...as they achieve more economic power, they are now changing that to include white kids.
One important note---I have noticed that very light skinned FEMALE blacks will seek out (or prefer) dark black children for adoption, overwhelmingly boys, but at least they are not appalled at the idea of raising a black child with African hair.
As for yellow women's squeemishness when it comes to colorism...
Yvette is another one who is on the Yellow End, and though I really like her a lot, she too can be defensive and in denial about this being a problem, because of course--just like WHITE women---it indicts them as part of THEM and not US, and of course they fancy themselves being the representatives of US despite the fact that they are treated differently from people who are actually DARK BLACK.
This is why I reiterate, as an African who knows that Black people are supposed to be BLACK---that as painful as it is, our people will never truly be able to rise and be healthy and whole until we exponge ourselves of the mulattos and "white blooded" ones who just can't understand the level of liberation that black people really need.
Breeding us yellow is not the cure. It is
going to make things devastatingly worse.
I don't know how anyone can call themselves
"black" and be happy that a whole race of people
is losing its physical characteristics, its hair, its uniqueness...if they were really "black", then they would want black people to exist AS THEMSELVES, as God made them.
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Ntfs_encryption
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"Typical convo...
Me: Oh yeah, did you hear about the sucessful black woman at the "_________" Coporation?
SS: See, this is why I can't stand America! She's probably light skin! Light skin people have an easier.........
SS: YOU ARE A SELF-HATING NEGRO!!!
Me.....Sighhhh.....gets out celphone, calling mental instiution"
LMFAO..!!!! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! This is so true. On the money! What you just described is exactly how such a conversation would happen. No doubt. The only talking points in her ranting tool box is: 1.) You hate yourself!, 2.) The white man told you to think like that!, 3.) You worship light skinned people, 4.) You hate dark skinned women!, 5.) Wake up black folks!!!!, 6.) All black men love and worship white (and any non-black) women!!! That's it. After those patented silly paranoiac accusations, well....there is nothing left but silence. End of subject........
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Kola_boof
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Serenasailor:
Always tring to avoid the subject because if you (Sabiana) had to acknowledge it you would have to realize that all the Negro men in your family are the EXACT SAME WAY!!
KOLA:
Exactly.
And painfully true.
Yellow women are good for that shit.
And Sabiana is "biracial", so she's even
further disconnected from us and our reality.
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Yorubaprincess
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Sabiana is a high yella •••••. She can't speak for the brownskinned and black sisters. Sit your yella ass down Sabiana. Sheeit!
I'm frankly sick of these pale-toned bitches even being called black cuz they AIN'T black. |
Kola_boof
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Sabiana is NOT a bit/ch.
I like Sabiana.
I think she's human and she's trying to
do the best she can with what life has
dealt for her.
She didn't ask to come here...anymore than
anyone else did.
That still doesn't change what black
women have to do or how people like Sabiana
occupy a different but similar territory.
It definitely doesn't change the RACISM
in the dynamics of adoption and how black
children suffer for white supremacy dictating
that lighter children are closer to white,
therefore more desirable....and it certainly
doesn't excuse "black people" from fighting
against those dynamics, even when it pits us
in opposition to the "denial" of yellow skinned
people.
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Serenasailor
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What I don't understand Sabiana is that you made a thread about the Black men that you knew who did not reject Black women. And how you didn't know any Black men like that. But you yourself are the product of a Black man's rejection of Black women.
And what a hypocrite you are NTFS!! You just got through making the statement that no one wanted to adopt Black children but you are going to condone this Black woman adopting some White girl who looked like she just jumped off the cover of a 'Swiss Mixed' box.
Then try to make it sound like 'Colorism' and 'Racism' have nothing to do with adoption procedures.
GIMME A BREAK!! |
Ntfs_encryption
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"And what a hypocrite you are NTFS!! You just got through making the statement that no one wanted to adopt Black children........"
Ms. Yvettep made a very interesting rebuttal and a good counter statement to my commentary. I will address it later this evening when I get back from running errands. My response to your allegation will be addressed.
".......but you are going to condone this Black woman adopting some White girl who looked like she just jumped off the cover of a 'Swiss Mixed' box."
SS, there is nothing to condone! I believe cross racial adoptions should be secondary to placing children in similar cultural and racial backgrounds (if possible) for obvious reasons. However, if an individual or a couple, are willing to step up to the plate and adopt children of a different race, I'm all for it. I would rather the child be in a positive home environment with a family that openly accepts them vice being warehoused in a group home, orphanage or being shuffled from one foster home to another. I am not a racist demagogue like you who insistently and tirelessly rants against people whose skin is lighter than mine or against people who happen to be of a different race. Race baiting and hating is your thing -not mine!
'Then try to make it sound like 'Colorism' and 'Racism' have nothing to do with adoption procedures."
Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Once again, that "imaginary friend" in your head is telling you things I never said. For example, answer this: WHERE DID I SUGGEST RACISM AND SO-CALLED COLORISM PLAYS NO ROLE IN THE ADOPTION OF BLACK CHILDREN??? When and where did I attempt to make that case??? Uh huh........That's what I thought. End of subject.........
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Serenasailor
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Interesting NTFS your delusional rants 'know no limits'. Who cares if you believe in cross-racial adoptions? There is nothing to believe! Its is already happening.
I was just simply making the comment that amongst Black ppl, Black children should be given the highest priority since we represent the highest in the Foster care system. You my "ignoramus" friend made the comment that I associate everything with Colorism and that it wasn't a valid argument in this situation.
Well excuse me if I see right through these Black "haves" who are deciding to adopt bi/mixed and now White children. And even you yourself said that no one wanted Black babies. When Black babies are "overcrowding" the Foster Care system.
AND EXCUSE ME!! YOU DON'T RACE-BAIT???
What about your famous "mantra" of the difference between Niggers and Black ppl? Or you violent diatribe against "coon" music?? Or your legendary stories of your Black elitist male counterparts who "LOATHE" Black women??
Need I go on?? |
Cynique
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NTFS, why are you wasting your time participating in this skit??? LMAO. |
Muchacho
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Kola ,
I agree 100% with your analysis.
I wish that more people had the oppurtunity to read what you have to say.
From the firs time that I read your analysis of race, I knew that you understood this subject better than anyone that I had encountered before.This is why I am very very happy whenever you make a post regarding the topic of race.
Thanks
Muchacho |
Grind
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Username: Grind
Post Number: 189
Registered: 04-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, July 21, 2007 - 09:06 am: |
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This is why I reiterate, as an African who knows that Black people are supposed to be BLACK---that as painful as it is, our people will never truly be able to rise and be healthy and whole until we exponge ourselves of the mulattos and "white blooded" ones who just can't understand the level of liberation that black people really need.
Kola,
Not trying to play Gotcha!, but honestly, do you count yourself among those mulattoes that need to be kicked out of the black race?
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Misty
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Username: Misty
Post Number: 1058
Registered: 02-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, July 21, 2007 - 01:48 pm: |
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i agree why couldnt she adopt a black child? that just doesnt make sense at all. |
Ntfs_encryption
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Username: Ntfs_encryption
Post Number: 2433
Registered: 10-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, July 22, 2007 - 03:56 pm: |
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"Interesting NTFS your delusional rants 'know no limits'."
Hmmmmmm.......maybe. But only when addressing your racist vomit.
"Who cares if you believe in cross-racial adoptions? There is nothing to believe! Its is already happening."
Who cares? Probably the abused and downtrodden black children who are finally given the opportunity to be in a decent home environment with adults who taken an interest in them. That's who. But of course realizing that would require more than 30 brain cells. Sorry you didn't get it SS........
"I was just simply making the comment that amongst Black ppl, Black children should be given the highest priority since we represent the highest in the Foster care system."
Wow! Listen up: "We finally agree on something!" Amazing.........
"You my "ignoramus" friend made the comment that I associate everything with Colorism and that it wasn't a valid argument in this situation."
You do. Every rant that comes from your mouth reflects your deep psychic wounds of intense skin color insecurity and crippling jealousy. You can't help it.......
"Well excuse me if I see right through these Black "haves" who are deciding to adopt bi/mixed and now White children."
And? Read this: It's none of your damn business who they decide to adopt. Were you there? Did you meet or interact with the children they adopted? Do you know what was in their hearts when they considered adopting these children? The answer is obviously no. Why? Reflecting on such questions would require objectivity and moderate intelligence. Unfortunately, it's something you genetically lack. Sorry SS.........
"What about your famous "mantra" of the difference between Niggers and Black ppl?"
What about it..??
"Or you violent diatribe against "coon" music??"
So? You should be supporting those warranted diatribes against thug music that degrades black women (your number one subject for hysterical ranting and raving), romanticizes pimping, gang banging, anti-social and criminal behavior. Why would any black person oppose criticism of such reckless and irresponsible behavior that is strangling the life from our communities and negatively influencing our youth? Oops! I forgot. You would.........
"Or your legendary stories of your Black elitist male counterparts who "LOATHE" Black women??"
Sigh.....there you go again. The little buddy in your head is still telling you I have so-called "Black elitist male counterparts"(?) that I have no idea about. You keep bleating this tedious farce over and over and over and over. How sad. Do you believe if you say it enough it will become true? Just curious.........
"Need I go on??"
Please do! I breathlessly await all your posts. Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!
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Yvettep
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Username: Yvettep
Post Number: 2163
Registered: 01-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 23, 2007 - 11:08 am: |
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Where did you hear this from? Do you have any data to back it up at all?
Good questions. This is part of what I am talking about--People often believe things about adoption, foster care, and the child welfare system based on anecdotes, popular media talking points, or their experiences. However, often other facts do not bear out these beliefs.
For example, the "fact" that Black adoptive parents do not "want" Black kids and White parents do. But a quick look at the last census figures (2000--special tabulations) doesn't support this:
# Black boys adopted transracially (likely by White parents) = 18,507
# Black boys adopted by Black parents = 103,871
# Black girls adopted transracially (again, probably by Whites) = 16,429
# Black girls adopted by Blacks = 115,354
(*In total, the above figures for same-race adoption represent 203,055 Black parents. The above likely includes multiple kids adopted by the same parent. I think they include kinship as well as non-kin adoptions. But there are other census tables that break adoption figures down by such things as relatedness and parental marital status.)
Or, what about the thinking that Blacks only want bi-racial kids?
# White parents who adopted Black-White children = 19,036
# of Black parents who adopted Black-White kids = 4,321
As a researcher I depend on such figures--even as I also have high respect for people's lay beliefs and personal experiences. I know that entities that collect data on such topics do not often do a good job of getting them into the hands of the general public. But in this Internet age they are usually available w/a little detective work.
OK. My rant is now over! Have a great week, everyone. 
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Grind
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Username: Grind
Post Number: 190
Registered: 04-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 23, 2007 - 05:27 pm: |
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Interesting data, Yvettep.
I'm slightly surprised that whites are more likely to adopt black boys than blacks. |
Misty
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Username: Misty
Post Number: 1075
Registered: 02-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, July 29, 2007 - 10:45 am: |
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very interesting data yvette |
Misty
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Username: Misty
Post Number: 1076
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, July 29, 2007 - 10:47 am: |
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Interesting data, Yvettep.
I'm slightly surprised that whites are more likely to adopt black boys than blacks.
i am too yvette and whats even more interesting is that whites are more likely to adopt black BOYS than they are to adopt black GIRLS because according to most talking- heads it's the other way around. |
Yvettep
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Username: Yvettep
Post Number: 2172
Registered: 01-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, July 29, 2007 - 07:38 pm: |
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Grind, no: assuming these stats are correct, Black parents adopt far more Black boys than Whites parents--and far more Black girls. But within the subpopulation of White adopters, more adopt boys than girls; and within the subpopulation of Black adopters more adopt girls than boys. This may seem like a quibble, but it a meaningful difference.
Misty, I agree: I have heard the assumption that Black boys are less desirable to White adopters. There are many, many myths about adoption. I've found it to be a fascinating field to conduct research in. |
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