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Kola_boof
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*Someone emailed this news report
to me from Florida, they say it's
black boys--but I haven't seen any
pictures.
Woman forced into sex with son
WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. - Two teenagers were accused of gang raping a woman and forcing her 12-year-old son to join in the attack, then beating him and pouring cleaning solution into his eyes.
Authorities allege Avion Lawson, 14, and Nathan Walker, 16, were among a group of about 10 masked suspects who forced their way into the woman's apartment in a crime-ridden housing project the night of June 18.
Link to full Story:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070706/ap_on_re_us/gang_rape_teens
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Abm
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MONSTROUS!!!
I mean, really, I think my stomach is about to turn.
The ringleader(s) of this tragedy should be KILLED. |
Kola_boof
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I feel the same way, ABM.
I also feel sick knowing the lack of love boy children are receiving from low self-esteemed single mothers.
If nothing else, a human being should be able to teach a new life how to be a human being.
That part is instinctual.
For boys to be this bloodthirsty against a "mother and child"...indicates that they've been raised by females who are either emotionally detached, totally non-caring or so "religious" that the child can't trust the mother.
I have been hearing of all manner of violence like this LATELY from black boys and black girls alike----
(a) A brown girl held her "yellow" sister down so that boys could rape her, scalp her and pour battery acid in her face. Detroit
(b) All kinds of "gang" situations where "butchering of body parts" is including with rape and murder.
The murderers are children.
Another part of the blame is our community's demonization of black females (ie. black mothers) and the prevailing message from absent fathers (in the form of bling-bling black male heroes on television)....that....all would be right in your life if only you had a white mother.
A lot of anger, I find in mail I receive from black girls who either want a white mother or lie about having one, stems from those messages.
For some reason these black girls of single black mothers believe that their fathers wouldn't have abandoned them if their mother had been white. I know it's nonsense--but that's what they believe. They blame and hate their mother for being black and rebel against her, running away from home, becoming sexually promiscuous to make up for their mother being a "black b/itch" who doesn't know how to have fun or by joining gangs.
I am used to receiving "ignorant/suicidal/INNOCENT" mail from white teens....but now lately, ABM...I get mail from black girls who suffer ANOREXIA NERVOSA (wtf!!!?), bulemia and have "suicidal ideation".
I have a black boy who writes me the most heartbreaking, insanity-laced emails about how he'll kill anyone who disrespects me...and how one day he's going to rescue me and my kids and take us back to Africa where we can be a family again--even if we have travel there in a "time warp" he says. The emails are clearly written by a delusional, crazy person, but he honestly loves me and wants to protect me in his own sick way.
I'm not used to it from black kids.
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Fortified
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Why are black MOTHERS at fault? What happened to these no good worthless-ass fathers? Who's around to show these boys how to behave like responsible men? |
Misty
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kola,
why do you think these children feel they can write you these emails? are you like a counselor or mentor to them and what do you think it is that drew them to open up to you like that. are they just fans of you and your books? |
Abm
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Kola,
I'm enthralled with your recent posts here.
Fortified,
The fathers are MORE at fault than the mothers. The laziness, selfish and cowardice many Black men are exhibiting with their children is unforgiveable. And it's time we began to rain holy HELL down upon the head of a Black man who does NOT take care of his children.
I'm talking firing him from his gig.
Denying him a car loan.
Hell, even disowning his a$$ as kin. |
Schakspir
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Black fathers had mothers, and black mothers had mothers. Who had fathers, and who also had mothers. It's everybody's fault. |
Abm
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Schakspir,
I agree. But here's the thing though: The mothers are THERE and the fathers are NOT.
It's much easier to empathize with and excuse the mistakes and failure of a parent that's there than it is one who's not. |
Schakspir
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True.....but why on earth do black women want these stinky worthless thugs for love partners?? They are constantly turning their noses up at decent black guys and gunning for these coon-types. And I'm not surprised to see that these coon-type thugs dump babies on these women and split. |
Kola_boof
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Misty--
The following essay I wrote has caused me to receive an avalanche of mail in the last year from black teenagers.
There are many essays/opinions I've written that appear on the internet (some are fakes by people who try to trash me), but apparently, I am one of the few ADULT writers/public figures who writes about the actual "color" issues that black youth are going through presently. 90% of the mail I get is from "dark skinned" black girls who feel disenfranchised from the black community and have no place in society to receive positive portrayals of their self image. Many read my books (which feature proud black women with "natural hair styles" and display images of authentic black beauty)...hence these teens write to me.
Another Ironic Fact:
Surprisingly..."African immigrant teens" do not write to me, but because I am an African, "Black Americans" often write me...as though I can magically answer some huge question they have about their identity or why they feel "disconnected" to the society here. I have a way of comforting and empowering them--so they not only write me back, but they have relatives and friends write to me. It's becoming harder and harder to handle the volume of mail, but these people feel "hopeful" from corresponding with me, and I simply tell them the truth about what I think...and remind them that I am not perfect and I not God...but I am their relative, and that my caring for their pain is larger than any oceans of time.
Black American men write me, but rarely to express a problem---they just write to say that they love black women and that I'm mistaken about that (I write back that I don't believe them) and they write to express being impressed with me. Some request more nude shots. 
Here's that essay:
http://proofmagazine.i8.com/contact.html
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Abm
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Schakspir,
It is - as you alluded to - a VICIOUS cycle of disfunctionality resulting in deviant fathers(& mothers) begotten deviant daughters(& sons) begotten deviant son(& daughters)...
You have lazy, irresponsible men who don't want to be husbands and fathers and arrogant, deluded women who think the men aren't really needed for her and the children to survive and thrive.
And if the man isn't really needed, what does it matter WTF kinda buffoon he is? |
Latina_wi
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My son has a good heart," the elder Walker said outside court. "I can't believe my son would do something like this. I don't teach my son violence so I don't understand."
One of the pepretrator's mother wrote that. Well obviously she doesn't know her son very well and he is a complete and utter ••••.
I am too shocked and disgusted to comment on that story, must have been a harrowing ordeal for both mother and son.
Kola, Black kids have always suffered, I am quite shocked at how many Black Americans, and other black ethnic groups, are shocked that Black kids can be anorexic. I used to go through a throwing up and starving myself ritual at a very young age. Long stories, but I got over it and didn't feel the need to wax lyrical about my so called 'plight'. I am lucky compared to most.
Anyways Kola; I am glad you are back. How are your sons? How is the writing going? |
Tonya
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Schakspir: "True.....but why on earth do black women want these stinky worthless thugs for love partners?? They are constantly turning their noses up at decent black guys and gunning for these coon-types. And I'm not surprised to see that these coon-type thugs dump babies on these women and split."
Do you mean women, or girls? Because seriously I don't know many grown women that turn "their noses up at decent black guys," and the only ones I see "gunning for these coon-types" are younger (Black) women and girls.
(Hey Kola!! I agree with Abm your posts are tight.)
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Cynique
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Too many bodies are entering this world virtually souless. These entities are amoral shallow vessles who have no inborn humanity, no sense of right or wrong and when they have no guidance they act without conscience. This may sound like a lot of meta-physical malarky but as long as people continue to breed like rabbits nothing will change because the nether world is running out of old souls to recycle and the new ones have not matured yet. Ohmmmmmmmmmmmm. |
Kola_boof
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FORTIFIED:
Why are black MOTHERS at fault? What happened to these no good worthless-ass fathers? Who's around to show these boys how to behave like responsible men?
KOLA:
Let me tell you and ABM both, something, Fortified.
We're talking children/teens gleefully committing murder, rape, molesting children and "defiling" body parts here.
Yes, it's a goddamned shame that the fathers of these children didn't love the "naive" mothers who got knocked up and abandoned.
It's unfair, it's heartbreaking and it's LIFE that these women and children are statistics of the sport that can be called "black leisure life".
But a human being...should have the temerity to EXTEND humanity...into the heart of a fellow human that developed in its belly for 9 months and came miraculously through its ass.
Whether it's wrong or right, Fortified---WOMEN GIVE BIRTH, not men.
Only the women bleed, OK?
Married Women constantly talk about--"Why don't the men have to know how to cook?"
And as a FEMINIST, I say: "Any creature that squats, opens its ass and a baby falls out...should be mandatory to know how to cook!"
From the moment that "milk vessel" pops inside your tits---YOU are responsible for feeding that special part of you that is now another person.
If women can't accept that FACT OF LIFE, then they need to get their asses down to the abortion clinic or planned parenthood and stop ruining their lives over the "miscalculations" they make out of ignorance, innocence and plain loneliness.
Whether 14 or 22....a woman MUST BECOME a woman if she's going to be a mother.
Now when we talk about "young boys" who have it in their heart that it's OK to drag a mother and child from their home, beat them, rape them and throw bleach/cleaning fluid into the eyes of a 12 year old child....we're talking about something PRIMAL, malicious, rage-based and etheral.
No mother has loved these boys, obviously.
OR...they've been spoiled rotten and TAUGHT BY THE MOTHER that they had better not love anybody.
Nobody has shown these boys, THROUGH PARENTAL INTIMACY (telling a child about his people while snapping a bowl of snap beans---or a game of YAHTZEE), to value human life.
And goddamnit, as much as I bust my ass fighting for black women and our issues----one thing that black women are notorious for is "spoiling" their sons and "taking que" from their sons.
Talking "AT" a child is not raising it.
Sending a child to bible study and putting the "fear of God" in a child is NOT raising it.
Admonishing--"I worked all day...go watch t.v." is NOT raising your child.
The fathers are NOT THERE....therefore, the MOTHER has to rise above that fact and raise her goddamn children with everything she's got!!! Especially a black child!
Why wish or bequeath your lonely trifling life to your children who didn't ask to come here in the first place?
I enlist every power I have from the marrow of my bones when it comes to my sons.
I can forgive a woman producing a kid with bad grades, identity issues, a smart mouth or even getting involved with gangs and going to jail.
What I can't fathom, as a woman and a mother of 2, is the notion that MY SON...a life from my own goddamned body...could stand his ass up IN MY NAME and go out and rape some woman and force her 12 year old baby to take part and then deface that child!!
All kinds of crazy ass EVIL committed by black teen males and "some girls" is starting to pop up EVERY WEEK....and what kind of woman is giving birth to these monsters???
As the Ethiopians say: "Fathers matter not... mothers a lot."
How is this level of EVIL going
unchecked in children?
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Kola_boof
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Hey Tonya!!!
Hi Latina, Wi.
Thanks.
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Kola_boof
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And Fortified, let me clarify something:
I would definitely be calling the "absent fathers" into question if this were about black children doing poorly in school, getting on drugs or gang involvement.
But these children are "Charles Manson" clones.
The MOTHER is responsible for a child's heart and what's in it.
Seriously.
This has nothing to do with single parenting. This goes beyond that.
These boys feel that they are not loved or valued.
Otherwise, they couldn't go through with some shit like this.
This is different from stealing a car.
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Latina_wi
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I do agree that Black woman are partly to blame because in a matriarchal household, especially of a single parent, black mothers provide the necessary nurturing and instill a sense of right, wrong and belonging. Especially for little girls.
However, there is only so much a mother can teach. We need fathers to teach these boys how to be men and lead by example.
And I think a lot of the examples used in this thread are evidence of STRAIGHT UP psychological problems. Some that cannot be created through nurture, but simply nature (like a chemical inbalance in the brain). Some of these 'Charles Manson - alikes' are just innately, inherently evil.
They enjoy distrubuting their evil. |
Schakspir
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Funny--I have to agree with Kola on this one, which is why I brought up the truth that a FATHER himself had a mother, and a MOTHER had a MOTHER. The mother is the one closest to the child--she gave birth to him, clothed him, fed, nursed, etc. Whatever flaws you see in that child have a LOT to do with the mother.... |
Kola_boof
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Latina_WI
Some of these 'Charles Manson - alikes' are just innately, inherently evil.
They enjoy distrubuting their evil.
KOLA:
No....nu-uh.
Black children are not suddenly being born "inherently" evil.
The breakdown of the black family and the black community in America, as well as the continuing loss of black identity...has created an atmosphere where PAST ILLNESSES we got from colonialism, slavery and self-hatred....are now taking new forms.
Without a "common struggle" for black men and black women to SHARE IN.....the black woman's weaknesses are now being exposed.
Black women in the U.S. are now being abandoned and De-valued at rates that are ASTRONOMICAL and "all-engulfing". Often times, their biggest enemy and the person who sells them out is the black man who very recently decided that black women are "obsolete"----that is NEW compared to how things were just 20 years ago.
These children are a reflection of the plight of their un-loved, weak and un-self-loving mothers.
Women's pussy is a child's first cull (veil)...her womb and her heart sets the mold of a child's destiny.
This evil is not inate, it's a VIRUS in the black community stemming from past "inner turmoil" and from wombs that feel inferior.
In other words---a situation that was already bad is just getting much worse.
Black children are not BORN inately evil.
Black children are wonderful, wonderful, beautiful loving children....and that is how they are born.
Latina Wi
I do agree that Black woman are partly to blame because in a matriarchal household,
KOLA:
BLACK WOMEN, read Oprah, Kola Boof and Aunt Jemima, are no more "matriarchal" than any other race of women. That's a lie created by Western Society and FED for generations through Western media and inaccurate historians.
The truth is....
There would be no polygamy, no men in Africa raping 4 year old babies and no female genital mutilation in Africa...if black women were or had been the rulers of some Matriarchy.
Black MEN and "Patriarchy" has always dominated and ruled Africa and black social orders.
"Matrilinealism" is what we had in Africa.
Black women---historically---have come from and presided over Matrilineal Societies, which means that the "identity" of the family was forged through the women heads of the family and the mother's name passed on, but AFRICA and the BLACK DIASPORA is overwhelmingly "Patriarchal".
The "overbearing dark evil" black woman is often portrayed by Western Society as some all-powerful matriarch who UN-dicks her men and keeps them from achieving their manhood.
Bullshit.
This is what I meant earlier about society taking the stereotype of the "Overbearing Strong Black Woman" and adding to the idea that if these children simply had "White" mothers and the surroundings that a white mother brings, they'd be better off.
The overwhelming majority of black women are not over-bearing evil golddiggers with bad attitudes, and "BET" is proof positive that there is no "Matriarchy" ruling over Black America.
Black men call the shots and wield the power--and it's them who determine the condition of the black community by whether they enrich it or disown it.
WHITE SOCIETY encourages black men to abandon their blackness, which includes their communities and their women.
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Misty
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it's true that the mothers thoughts influence the way a child thinks even in the womb because the chemicals in her body pass through to the baby's brain ....every thought we have comes from a certain part of the brain and specific chemicals in the brain produce specific feelings and emotions. if the mother is thinking hateful (or depressing) thoughts the whole while the baby is in the stomach then chances are it will be hard to teach the baby a certain degree of humanity....so i can see Kola's point about the mother having the most influence on a child. |
Kola_boof
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Misty, I'm not saying the mothers have evil thoughts....I'm saying that these boys haven't felt that they were LOVED or valued and regardless of the mother being single, it's her responsibility to instill that in a child. Children who feel loved and valued automatically value the lives of others.
I know tons of angry black boys, enraged by their father's absence---but the one saving grace for those boys is that they have their mother's love, so although they may get into big trouble, they do care about whether or not they disappoint and dishonor their mother.
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Misty
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BLACK WOMEN, read Oprah, Kola Boof and Aunt Jemima, are no more "matriarchal" than any other race of women. That's a lie created by Western Society and FED for generations through Western media and inaccurate historians.
wow, i love this part....very true...i kind of cringe whenever i hear people refer to the black community as matriarchical and to black women as matriarchs...it conjures up all kinds of negative (untrue and unfair images)....but you hear it so much you just get tired of arguing the point. |
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Misty, I'm not saying the mothers have evil thoughts....I'm saying that these boys haven't felt that they were LOVED or valued and regardless of the mother being single, it's her responsibility to instill that in a child. Children who feel loved and valued automatically value the lives of others.
i understood what you meant Kola...but they also have studies that show where the mothers thoughts while the baby is in the womb affect the way a child is born and the way the child thinks ...and this has to do with the fluids from the mothers brain.
im a prime example of this....my mom use to comb her hair on the right side all the time.....my hiar is a slightly different texture on the right side and it grows quicker on that side....
farrakhan also pointed out that the fact that his mother wanted a little girl so bad is what made him very sensetive towards womens issues. |
Kola_boof
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Misty to simplify what I'm saying:
If these boys had ganged up and robbed
a liquor store and shot the cashier
---I would be blaming the Father's absence.
But when "boys" gang up and rape a "mother
and child"....FOR HOURS on end.
---that's the absence of a mother's heart.
Now, I don't know how else to get people
to see what I'm saying.
Bad grades, doing drugs....yeah, I could
pin that on not having a father.
Children DO REBEL against the authority of
the single mother because there's no father
present.
But boys raping a mother and child.
That's not the father.
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Misty
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If these boys had ganged up and robbed
a liquor store and shot the cashier
---I would be blaming the Father's absence.
But when "boys" gang up and rape a "mother
and child"....FOR HOURS on end.
---that's the absence of a mother's heart. </b>
ok i see what you meant... |
Renata
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I have to say there IS something wrong that some black women are teaching (or something right that they're not teaching) our children, not just the boys.
I get sick to my stomach and want to STRANGLE somebody, when I meet OLDER women (who you would hope would know better) tell me "you'd better be glad you don't have any daughters. They're just going to bring home a houseful of children."
I have come VERY close sometimes to saying, "just because YOU'RE raising whores doesn't make ALL girls whores."
And we wonder why a lot of kids have problems: because they're MOTHERS have taught them to expect the worse in themselves.
When I look back on my old neighborhood, I have noticed one thing: most of the girls I grew up with who had 2 (or MORE) kids before they turned 21, had mothers who used to tell my mother "you'd better watch those girls. They're just going to have a lot of kids."
I'm thankful that my mother didn't think so lowly of us.
And I'm willing to bet one billion dollars these same mothers are telling their sons that girls are just whores. What would you expect if they expect their own daughters to be whores?
I can't stay silent any longer after reading this topic. If anyone ever comments on my not having a daughter like that again, I'm going to tell them not every raises whores just because they are doing so. |
Renata
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I need to start proofreading my posts better.....should have said "their mothers". |
Misty
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When I look back on my old neighborhood, I have noticed one thing: most of the girls I grew up with who had 2 (or MORE) kids before they turned 21, had mothers who used to tell my mother "you'd better watch those girls. They're just going to have a lot of kids."
right, i got so sick of my dad saying that then to make it worst most of the women would bakc him up on it....as if boys dont have issues and don't cause a ton of problems.......
the only difference is they allow boys to self destruct and get away with much more and its seen as acceptable. me and my sisters had to tow the line....my brother could get away with jsut about anything at the age of 14 |
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I know tons of angry black boys, enraged by their father's absence---but the one saving grace for those boys is that they have their mother's love, so although they may get into big trouble, they do care about whether or not they disappoint and dishonor their mother.
right....their main sense of self worth and accountability has to come from their mother being that shes the one there. |
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There are few things more violent than a 14-18 year old boy. That's why armies the world over prize them.
They are full of violence and they are too stupid to know they can be hurt. |
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Why is it we have these discussions..after something terrible happens. The fact is, folks need to get out of thier comfort zones and help mentor black children..PERIOD. We have known our children are in crisis for EVER. Nothing is changing.
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You all just don't get it, do you.
A boy could love his own mother and sister to death and still rape and stomp somebody else's mother and sister to death especially in a pack.
How do you think those white southerners could lynch and castrate a negro and then hug their black mammy and set her children on their knees?
I once came to know this very nasty rapist. He was one who would grab a woman by the throat and drag her into an alley and put a knife to her throat rapists.
He got caught because a prior victim saw him walking another victim home after a rape (in his twisted mind his walking them home made it okay)
When he was caught two of the most surprised people were his mother and girlfriend--at least they said so.
Rape is a crime of violence, not sex. And the country is awash in violence. The best you can do is keep your own boys and daughters and yourselves safe.
As I have stated before, the spike in violence went up after Vietnam. Before nam it was fists and knives. After nam it was pistols and shotguns, ultimately automatic weapons.
Those of you who have been cheering our boys and girls in Iraq just wait til they get home and start teaching their homies how to build IED's. |
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I think you may have got me wrong Kola; I wasn't saying Black women are born inherently evil. But some children who kill; black, white and all the colours in between do it because they are straight up bad.
They have no conscience and they shouldn't always be excused. There is something in many of these killing and raping children's brains that makes them the way they are. I know I am being a bit simplistic in my explanation, but I am very interested in the workings of the criminal mind. Rape is not even usually about sex, often it is about exerting power and flexing your muscles. Murder is the same thing. I don't doubt there is some fcked kids who murder and kill due to past histories (echoing what you feel about colonialism), but maybe we shouldn't use it as too much of an excuse.
And I was probably being biased about the matriarchal household thing; as I grew up in a west indian family and they are usually - from all I have witnessed, matriarchal.
But you make a very good about the BET proving that Black women may not be as matriarchal as is led to be believed. |
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If these boys had ganged up and robbed
a liquor store and shot the cashier
---I would be blaming the Father's absence.
But when "boys" gang up and rape a "mother
and child"....FOR HOURS on end.
---that's the absence of a mother's heart.
Latina_WI: I totally get what you mean now Kola, I jumped the gun a bit and assumed you meant that black women should be blamed when their sons become criminals.
And I do think your right about the matriarchal society and the image potrayed for Black mothers and women. I was just giving my opinion as a west indian and someone who is raised in a single parent household. I was showing a lot of bias in that sense.
Though saying that; though many west indians I know are from matriarchal family, there are an equal measure who are patriarchal.
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Are today's Black children and youth anymore evil and dangerous than prior generations? I don't know.
Perhaps they are.
Or perhaps the only difference is we're much more like to know, see, hear and speak of juvenile malfeasance than we did before.
I tire of the legend of the great Black mother. I view it at being the source and core of the impotence of Black people.
We decry the evils of patriarchy. And much of what we lament about male-based society/culture are indeed justified. But show me ONE strong, relatively independent nation that is matriarchial (Go on...I'll wait).
Men rule not because they're bigger and stronger. Men rule they will more readily do what women will not: Take, kill and even die for what they want and what they believe in.
But, alas, we BLACK men too readily take, kill and die for NOTHING.
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Well there is such a think as mob mentality. A common consciousness can possess the group and drive it to violence. Then, there is the anti-social personality factor. The best parents in the world can't deter this mental disorder. |
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BTW, were these kids on drugs when this despicable assault occurred?? Drugs use can be blamed for a multitude of sins. |
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Tonya: Do you mean women, or girls? Because seriously I don't know many grown women that turn "their noses up at decent black guys," and the only ones I see "gunning for these coon-types" are younger (Black) women and girls.
Schakspir: If by "younger Black women" you mean those under 45, then yes. By the time they're in their mid-forties, they've had their thrills, been kicked around and abused, and now, having lost much of their looks and a lot of their sanity, start seeking out better men. Of course, many of these better men are now looking elsewhere. |
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"I mean, really, I think my stomach is about to turn. The ringleader(s) of this tragedy should be KILLED."
Bro, You have no idea how much I agree with that statement. When I read the story, it left me queasy. As a man, I cannot understand this concept of gang rape. I once personally to a female friend who said this happened to in her life (gang raped). I won't repeat the story but the entire scenario was revolting. Once again, as a man, I cannot explain nor attempt to explain how a man could force himself sexually on a woman while she is crying and frantically fighting while other men are standing around watching and cheering him on or go after another man has just finished his thing. I just don't get! I really don't.....
Anyway, acts like this should be met with the most brutal and merciless retaliation (also known as justice -IMO). In this particular case, I think neck laces with gasoline soaked tires is quite appropriate.
"For boys to be this bloodthirsty against a "mother and child"...indicates that they've been raised by females who are either emotionally detached, totally non-caring or so "religious" that the child can't trust the mother."
Kola, I don't know if I agree with that. I'm not ready yet to completely dump the criminal pathology of the underclass in the laps of single mothers. The gangsta coon culture and celebrated thuggery is a symptom of a culture of impoverished single mother hood. Single mother in its self does not cause this type of barbaric behavior. I came from a matriarchal background and a good friend of mine did also (he is now a nuclear physicist -I'm serious! He went to Princeton and then Cornell for his PhD). Neither of us chose a life of criminality and we were raised without fathers.
But the likely hood of a child falling victim to street and gang criminality is greater when a father figure is not present. This is a well documented fact. But the animals who brutalized this woman and her son have taken this to another level all together. Even within the protocols of the criminal culture of jails/prisons, these degenerates crossed the line!
Tragically, what we are witnessing today, is a culture of children raising children with all the negative elements and trappings that did not exist when we children -which greatly complicates raising children when compared to child rearing 30, 40 or 50 years ago.
"Another part of the blame is our community's demonization of black females (ie. black mothers) and the prevailing message from absent fathers (in the form of bling-bling black male heroes on television)....that....all would be right in your life if only you had a white mother.
A lot of anger, I find in mail I receive from black girls who either want a white mother or lie about.............I know it's nonsense--but that's what they believe."
Wow! Now that is something I have never heard of. I'm not calling you a liar but I have never heard of any thing like this before. I know what the affect of a non-existent father can have in a girls life -but a white mother??? But as you said, this is nonsense. But in the eyes of these girls, they believe that. Whew!! That's beyond hard core.
"The fathers are MORE at fault than the mothers. The laziness, selfish and cowardice many Black men are exhibiting with their children is unforgiveable. And it's time we began to rain holy HELL down upon the head of a Black man who does NOT take care of his children."
Your sentiments are more accurate than mathematics! Until we (black Americans) come to grips and address the loathsome culture of black men fathering children and walking away as if they were an empty bottle of beer they just chugged down, this cancer will continue to grow and wreck even more havoc and chaos in black America. No other group is more notorious and disrespected than black American men for their aversion and rejection of parental responsibility.
Although my father and I talk now, for the majority of my child and adulthood, I held a seething resentment towards him. But fortunately, I did not resort to a life of anti-social behavior nor leave un-fathered children in my wake. But do not expect a subsiding in family and social pathology until this issue is taken head on and reasonably dealt with.
"You have lazy, irresponsible men who don't want to be husbands and fathers and arrogant, deluded women who think the men aren't really needed for her and the children to survive and thrive."
So true. And the aforementioned is the perfect combination for what we are witnessing today.
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"Schakspir: If by "younger Black women" you mean those under 45, then yes. By the time they're in their mid-forties, they've had their thrills, been kicked around and abused,...........many of these better men are now looking elsewhere."
True...............
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You don't stoop to their level and kill juveniles for acting like animals. You try and domesticate them through reform. And I still want to know if these kids were on drugs when they did this. |
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Ntfs,
I don't or won't expend much thought or energy trying to discern the source or reason of such malevolence. For there is havoc in us all.
I pity the boys who perpetrated this evil. Obviously their souls are undone. But just as I'd pity a rabid dog I'd also, if necessary, KILL that rabid dog.
I too was raised by a single mother. And have never been anywhere close to partaking of sexual assault, much less gang rape.
But I do believe generation after generation of paternal abandonment and negligence has fostered an anything goes sentiment within our communities that have even eroded the great spirit and psyche of our women and mothers. And that erosion is manifesting in what we witness of our youth.
There was a time when a man was CURSED when he did not take care of his breed. We must return to that standard.
Schakspir: "...many of these better men are now looking elsewhere."
Or have long since found a woman who's much better capable of wooing and keeping them. |
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Renata,
Not really taking sides between you and Schakspir. But I DON'T think Morehouse/Spellman represents your average Black 20-somethings. |
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Shakspir, I don't know where the heck you must be meeting chicks. Most women I know who ARE married were looking for quality men. I found a really good guy myself and married him (we met at age 23 and were married at 24).
Maybe you should have hung around Morehouse/Spelman. From speaking to the women there, it seems that many of them went there specifically to marry a college educated black man.
One thing I know for sure that women want: INDEPENDENT men. So, if a dude is 25 and still living at home, or his mother is paying all of his bills, it doesn't matter how good or bad the dude is. |
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LOL...interestingly, I couldn't get a boyfriend when I was a teenager (other than one psycho and one Jew). Other guys avoided me and called me a "nerd" because I did well in school and my mother wouldn't let me out after dark. |
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ABM, I will admit that I probably hang out with different people than a lot of people. But, honestly, NON college-educated friends of mine want men who are hardworking and independent (not necessarily wealthy).
UNFORTUNATELY, most southern men are lazy mamas boys. |
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Schakspir: If by "younger Black women" you mean those under 45, then yes. By the time they're in their mid-forties, they've had their thrills, been kicked around and abused, and now, having lost much of their looks and a lot of their sanity, start seeking out better men. Of course, many of these better men are now looking elsewhere.
Yeah, I was talking about under 45 because most women start to settle down and look for "decent" men (for marriage, "a picket fence," a family ect) earlier than that. But you raised some interesting points. If the guy you were referring to--the one being rejected--is a 45 yr old man, then he's had his thrills, "been kicked around & abused," lost much of his looks and possibly lots of his sanity, as well. Couldn't this be part of the reason why he's being rejected, and not simply that Black women are "turning their noses up at decent black guys"?
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And for whatever reason, men in their forties think women in their TWENTIES are interested in them......
they ain't.
Truthfully, a 50 year old man will turn down a 50 year old woman who's looking for someone quality for a second marriage, so he can chase a 25 year old woman who isn't looking to settle down at all. |
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My bad, Schakspir. By "younger Black women" I meant around 18 to 25. 26 and up is what I consider "fully grown." |
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"I too was raised by a single mother. And have never been anywhere close to partaking of sexual assault, much less gang rape."
Agreed. There is no excuse nor justification for their behavior. I'm sure a few of their mothers are crying in shame and embarrassment right now.
"But I do believe generation after generation of paternal abandonment and negligence has fostered an anything goes sentiment within our communities that have even eroded the great spirit and psyche of our women and mothers. And that erosion is manifesting in what we witness of our youth."
Interesting point.............
"There was a time when a man was CURSED when he did not take care of his breed. We must return to that standard."
You are so right. That was the standard at one time in black America. The inexcusable self serving black male sperm donor culture that we see today, was frowned upon in our parents and grandparents generation. But not anymore.....
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Tonya: If the guy you were referring to--the one being rejected--is a 45 yr old man, then he's had his thrills, "been kicked around & abused," lost much of his looks and possibly lots of his sanity, as well. Couldn't this be part of the reason why he's being rejected, and not simply that Black women are "turning their noses up at decent black guys"?
Schakspir: No, the men I'm referring to are usually under 35. And yes, even many professional black women seek out hard-boiled thug-types because they find them "thrilling" and "exciting". From what I have seen, a lot of these hard-boiled men aren't even attractive physically; they simply have a certain swagger and attitude, a fearlessness, that turns many women on. |
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Schakspir,
I think your idea of "thug-types/hard-boiled" men is very different from mine. To me "thugs" are vice presidents/presidents their cabinet & staff, drug dealers, murderers, muggers, addicts, womanizers, sexual predators, pimps, madams, conservative republicans and so on. And to me not every man with swagger/attitude/fearlessness (and PASSION whew!) is a "thug." But I have an accidental involuntary weakness for 'em tho. I'ma lil' partial. |
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No, Tonya, actually presidents, dictators, dope dealers, muggers, Don Juans, etc. were exactly what I had in mind. And yes, they DO have a certain swagger, fearlessness and attitude that many women find attractive, particularly American women and most especially black American women. That was my whole point. Because of this black women will put up with enormous amounts of shit from these assholes because they are so attracted to them.... |
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Schakspir,
That's because at their core (many, perhaps, MOST) women want men to protect, take care of and dominate them. And all the swagger/attitude/fearlessness suggests that a man would be able to do such. |
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So much for feminism.... |
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Schakspir,
Some of Feminism was good. I mean, a great female school teacher SHOULD be paid as much as an equally great male school teacher. But much of Feminism was a pipedream of a cabal of influential manhating lesbians. |
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Yes, sure. Equity feminism was/is right on point--it's just that gender feminism (like you said) was just completely goofy, a complete denial of biological/sexual reality. |
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Schakspir,
As long as there are functional differences between a penis and a vagina there will be vast differences between men and women that can NOT be eradicated via socially engineering and litigation/legislation. |
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So, like, for the umpteenth time, were these guys participating in this reprehensible act of perversion on drugs????? A Mommy and a Daddy can be present in the beautiful home with a 2-car garage in the suburbs but if their offpsring does coke or crack or meth or "X" or scrooms or any mind-altering drug, their behavior can become very irresponsible and bizarre. |
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The woman was forced to perform oral sex on her son. http://www.wptv.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=d38eaab5-d429-4f9c-95b0-541 0a41ed4c2 |
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Savant,
That...just really floored me.
ABM is right.
They should be killed.
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That has almost made me physically sick...are they going to reveal the identities of the atrackers - or have they already? |
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Yes they should be killed, they are PAST rehabilitation. All they're gonna do is cause society problems down the line...get rid of 'em now...they'll probably get killed in the streets anyway. Here's hoping. Fucking animals. |
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http://www.breitbart.tv/html/2642.html
Footage of one of the monsters. |
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More footage.
http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=2715
According to information in another article, Walker's father has been arrested eight times. His mother, Ruby Nell Walker, has been arrested nine times on charges that include aggravated assault with a deadly weapon and assault with intent to do bodily harm.
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I'm not surprised or shocked....look at where they live!! These guys are living in a hellhole(Dunbar Village), like animals, and you expect some of them NOT to fall through the cracks and end up as monsters??
The trouble with some of you posters is that you see it solely as an individual problem: execute the perpetrators, problem solved. Wrong: you need to get rid of this kind of environment. The environment is so bad that monsters like this will most definitely come from it. The amazing thing is that people who live in that shithole, Dunbar Village. On the film footage shown above, a gunshot goes off as an interview is being conducted. People interviewed very casually said that this is "normal". Is this America, or Afghanistan?? |
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