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Posted on Thursday, June 21, 2007 - 01:57 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Black Students Still Favor Lighter Skin, Study Finds
June 14th, 2007

A majority of African American students polled at a Midwestern university say lighter complexions are more attractive than darker ones, according to a study conducted by researchers from two Louisiana schools.

The results, taken from a sample of 100 students, indicated that 96 percent of the men preferred a medium to light complexion in women while 70 percent of women found light skin of value in men.

This latest analysis of mating preferences explored a number of probable causes, all of which were rooted in the "colorism" prevalent from slavery through the 1960s, where lighter skin typically meant more privilege. The results were published in 2006 in the journal Race, Gender and Class.

Ashraf Esmail, a sociology and criminal justice professor at Delgado Community College in New Orleans, and Jas M. Sullivan, an assistant professor of political science and African American Studies at Louisiana State University, conducted the study.

According to Sullivan, its purpose was to test whether the color line continues to be a problem for the African American community.

“We know that there has been a preference for lighter skin in the past as a result of racism,” said Sullivan, “but we really wanted to know whether or not that preference still exists in the 21st century.”

The researchers asked 50 African American men and 50 African American women, all students at a large Midwestern university, to participate in semi-structured interviews. The university was not named in the study and Sullivan declined to provide the name for this story.

The students were all between 18 and 19 years old with complexions ranging from light to dark. Each subject was shown pictures of light, medium and dark-skinned men or women from fashion magazines and asked to rate the images based on attractiveness. In addition, each respondent was asked questions about their mating preferences in terms of skin color and about the value of skin color in the African American community.

One reason for the difference in answers between African American men and African American women, according to the authors, is that women tended to take more characteristics into account, such as lips, hair, eyes, height and style of dress, when determining a man's attractiveness.

The interviews pointed to slavery and a social stigma attached to darker skin.

“I think that people are valued for their light skin,” said one student. “You can take this theory way back to the house slave mentality. I think a lot of people, because that was valued, were taught to value light skin. I think it is still an ongoing type of thing, and society really has not lost that altogether.”

Both men and women cited media as a driving force in the preference for lighter skin.

“When you talk to a guy, he thinks that he wants a perfect girl he sees on the videos. Usually, the women portrayed in the videos are light-skinned and have long hair,” said one respondent.

Still, another participant argued that African Americans don’t divide themselves based on light and dark complexions. Rather, the greater issue is color prejudice in the United States as a whole.

“Black people just see all black people as black no matter if they are light or dark. If you have any black in you, the black community considers you black.”

Analysis for the Esmail-Sullivan study took place in 2000. Though it is the most recent on the subject, its results differ dramatically from an earlier study of African American college students conducted in 1997.

Louie E. Ross, then associate professor of sociology at Fayetteville State University in Fayetteville, N.C., interviewed 149 African American men and 236 African American women for his study, "Mate Selection Preferences among African American College Students." His research was conducted on the campuses of two historically black institutions in the Southeast; one public and one private.

The Ross study indicated that only 16.4 percent of women would prefer to date a person of a lighter complexion and 16.8 percent of women would want to marry a person with light skin. The study showed that 33.3 percent of men preferred to date a person of a lighter complexion and 38.3 would prefer lighter skin in a marriage partner.

Taken together, the research by Esmail and Sullivan and the earlier research by Ross indicate that colorism does have some impact on the African American community.

Esmail and Sullivan concluded that, “Further research in this area is needed. Clearly, colorism continues to plague the African-American community and we must first accept that claim and begin to find solutions that would ameliorate the superiority of light skin color to dark skin color.”

Sullivan said there were plans to expand the research to other schools and to include historically black colleges. One of the issues he and Esmail plan to address is that colorism isn’t unique to the African American community, he said.

The New York Times reported on May 30 that the most popular cosmetic products among modern Indian women are those that lighten the skin. Didier Villanueva, country manager for L’Oreal India, said in the article that "fairness creams" account for half of India’s skin care market.

In the 2005 book "Fair Women, Dark Men: The Forgotten Roots of Color Prejudice," Canadian anthropologist Peter Frost reports that lighter women were preferred in medieval Japan, Aztec Mexico and Moorish Spain, even before there was significant contact with Western ideology.

Sullivan said, “What we sought to uncover in this study is whether or not the preference for lighter skin still exists" in the African American community. “Clearly you could make the connection between the preference for lighter skin and the past, but the deeper question, the question that needs much more observation is the why. Why does the black community self-select? Is this preference a dormant trait, is it something psychological, or is it just that light skin is all we see in the media and that affects our choices? These are the questions that still need answering.”

Other studies published by Esmail and Sullivan include: "Black Candidates in Search of Electoral Support: Is Success Dependent on Residential Integration and Social Interaction?" (2003), "Interaction Patterns between Black and White College Students: For Better or Worse?" (2002), and "From Racial Uplift to Personal Economic Security: Declining Idealism in Black Education" (2002).


Kai Beasley is a May graduate of Emory University. Articles in the Voices/Issues section represent the views of their authors, and not necessarily those of Black College Wire or EMQ. Article courtesy of the Black College Wire.

http://www.emqtv.com/news/?c=125&a=1175
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Posted on Thursday, June 21, 2007 - 09:35 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

i'm not surprised that louisianna has a color complex but i was surprised to read that 70% of the GIRLS found light skinned guys more attractive because most black girls and women i know prefer darker guys.....but louisianna is the worst place when it comes to the color complex and even the women are effected by it. i wonder how it would be if they tested all over though outside of louisianna.
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Posted on Thursday, June 21, 2007 - 11:22 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Slave descendants are still color-conscious. So what else is new? Does anybody think this situation will ever change in America???
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Posted on Thursday, June 21, 2007 - 01:13 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"Slave descendants are still color-conscious. So what else is new? Does anybody think this situation will ever change in America???"

This is so true. Negroes are still emotionally laboring over this dismal issue as if it is recent or going away. Read this: IT'S NOT!!!!!! And it is not only blacks who suffer from the "we like 'em light syndrome". A friend of mine who now lives in Oakland, was stunned to personally witness the pervasive daily comments and obsession of skin color by the young blacks she worked with. Not defending or attempting to trivialize the issue, but please remember folks, this skin color thing is not limited to just Negroes.....trust me!

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Posted on Thursday, June 21, 2007 - 01:13 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So....these geniuses did surveys on two assbackwards ("large Midwestern"--which one, exactly???)universities, and came to the conclusion that the vast majority of black students favor light skin?

Why didn't they try historically black colleges? Aren't most black people there?

In my opinion, the "evidence" is inconclusive, though a lot of color-prejudice infests my old alma mater, Howard University(and even so, if you were big, black and had lots of money, you could have just about any coed you wanted).
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Have you watched a music video lately, Misty? It wouldn’t be this prevalent in their music if the hip-hop generation didn’t approve of and abide by it...c'mon.

But we can't blame it all on the kids; it AIN'T new. It is the oldest and the most niggerish of all the nig.ger shit we do....Still even those who claim to be above the ("Negro") mentality will say WHATEVER it takes to try and dignify it.

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Posted on Thursday, June 21, 2007 - 04:22 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

...you gotta wonder why.
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The irony of all of this is that were the situation reversed, dark-skinned people wouldn't act any different than those whom they criticize and resent. Colorism is as form of bias that has its origin in the primitive subconscious of our brains and this instinct takes the form of a "dislike for the unlike". This natural reaction of the dominate species prevails in a territory where the majority rules. Welcome to the USA, folks. And so it goes. IMO.
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I think part of it is this: Some of you have "Negro" stamped on your birth certificate; that's a FACT. You're trying to defend your past and preserve the origins of who you are. I think it's called "self-preservation" or something like that. But young folks don't have an excuse for possessing a slave mentality. We're in the age of information. If you can afford to educate yourself and you're not a part of that time when such info was limited (in studies, college courses, Journals, reviews, books, magazines, etcetera) you have no excuse.
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Have you watched a music video lately, Misty? It wouldn’t be this prevalent in their music if the hip-hop generation didn’t approve of and abide by it...c'mon.

But we can't blame it all on the kids; it AIN'T new. It is the oldest and the most niggerish of all the nig.ger shit we do....Still even those who claim to be above the ("Negro") •••••• mentality will say WHATEVER it takes to try and dignify it.


i wasnt saying colorism isnt prevalent...i've always known this as we discuss it on the board constantly and as you say just by watching music videos.... i was commenting more on the fact that 70% of the girls at louisianna university found light skin men more attractive than dark men. this shocked me because most black girls and women that ive come in contact with say they prefer darker men and dont use lightness of skin to determine a mate. most black women i know suffer from colorism in a different way (such as trying to get lighter and hair straightening, etc)....but not when it comes to choosing a mate...so that was the part of the article that surprised me other than that everything else was pretty much common knowledge
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Well, Tonya, what you contend doesn't address the idea that were the situation reversed, things would be different. Reaching that conclusion is not a slave mentality, it's a realisitic observation. You go on the defense because that's your only choice. You attempt to villify people who are what they are, because you are what you are. Then you haul out all of the catch phrases and labels trying to make others wrong, and yourself right, blaming young people for not seeing what you consider the error of their ways. But who are you to tell them what to prefer and not prefer? What are your credentials and what incentives do you offer?
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When did I "villify" self-preservation; who did I "tell" to do anything; how did I "blame" anyone AT ALL or more than any other opinion giver on this thread; and why is it that I'm the lone person to "go on the defense"? I don't know if it is your perception or if obfuscation is your only method to succeed in debates.


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Well, Tonya, what you contend doesn't address the idea that were the situation reversed, things would be different.




You could say the same thing about racism, funny how most people don't.


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Reaching that conclusion is not a slave mentality, it's a realisitic observation.




TO. YOU.



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What are your credentials and what incentives do you offer?




My opinions don't require anymore credentials than yours and I don't need to give incentives in order to speak the truth.
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Posted on Thursday, June 21, 2007 - 07:46 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"i was commenting more on the fact that 70% of the girls at louisianna university found light skin men more attractive than dark men. this shocked me because most black girls and women that ive come in contact with say they prefer darker men and dont use lightness of skin to determine a mate."

My bad Misty. You're right; I was shocked by that number too, and for the same reason, but I kinda always knew that some girls were lying when they said that, still 70% that figure is way high, it's even more than I expected.
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you have to remember though that that is louisianna, the most backwards, uneducated place in america...not only that but colorism was always stronger down there than in other states.

so i would like to see them do this same study in other states and see what their findings would be on black girls choices in mates.
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The post of yours that I reponded to was an exercise in accusing, and fretting and scolding, Tonya. You deny, I defy. So be it.
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The post of yours that I reponded to was an exercise in accusing, and fretting and scolding, Tonya.




Nah. You do it all the time. It was your inability to rebut with anything truthful or sound, nothing new.


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...you have to remember though that that is louisianna, the most backwards, uneducated place in america...




Some of our best and brightest were/are color-struck, Misty. Virtually all of our past intellectuals were said to be this way. And a sistah just cited a stat where 60 % of Black men making 100,000 or more are with non-black women. (60%) It's hard to believe that these men are mostly "uneducated" and "backwards", making 100,000 a year.


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...so i would like to see them do this same study in other states and see what their findings would be on black girls choices in mates....




Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if it's WORSE in, say, New York or California or the nation's capital.

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Posted on Thursday, June 21, 2007 - 09:41 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"Some of our best and brightest were/are color-struck, Misty."

this is true. it depends on the type of education they got though...for instance usually blacks who are color struck like this have either been educated at white institutions, black mainstream conservative type institutions or havent been educated at all...of course blacks who have been educated at institutions where the focus is on black culture and history are less likely to have that mentality....that's pretty much what i meant.....usually people who educate themselves on their own history (especially pre-colonial history)tend to be less likely to develop a colorstruck mentality



Virtually all of our past intellectuals were said to be this way. And a sistah just cited a stat where 60 % of Black men making 100,000 or more are with non-black women.


i remember reading that stat but cant help but think that black men who make that kind of money are more likely to run into white women and other races than they are to run into black women. therefore, their choices in possibly mates amongst non-black women are higher. 2 years ago i had heard that that stat was 50%. it's a wonder the stat isnt higher.





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I thought by "uneducated" and "backwards" you meant "unsophisticated" since these 100 students are obviously being educated "at a large Midwestern university" no less. Btw, the researchers are from Louisiana. The state where the students are from was not given, I don't think. And last I checked, just as many Black women are making the kind of money that I referred to as Black men, maybe even more, but on these I could be wrong.

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Well, Tonya, since documenting and quoting and cutting and pasting and interpreting is your thing, I'll bite this time.

Accusing: "Some of you have "Negro" stamped on your birth certificate; that's a FACT. You're trying to defend your past and preserve the origins of who you are."

Fretting: "But young folks don't have an excuse for possessing a slave mentality. We're in the age of information."

Scolding: "If you can afford to educate yourself and you're not a part of that time when such info was limited (in studies, college courses, Journals, reviews, books, magazines, etcetera) you have no excuse."

Of course just like I reject your rebuttal, you won't accept my retort because you don't think using "negro", your favorite term of derision, especially when used in conjuction with "slave mentality", is a from of "vilifying", (vilifying as in being the opposite of your "heroic" cause. snicker.) Or, do you believe that taking young people to task is an example of your presuming you have the credentials to "tell" them what they should do. BTW, you never responded as to what the incentive was for them to follow your instructions.
So, we remain at an impasse. Of course you won't acknowledge this either. But who cares??? LMAO.
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"....this is true. it depends on the type of education they got though...for instance usually blacks who are color struck like this have either been educated at white institutions, black mainstream conservative type institutions or havent been educated at all...of course blacks who have been educated at institutions where the focus is on black culture and history are less likely to have that mentality....that's pretty much what i meant.....usually people who educate themselves on their own history (especially pre-colonial history)tend to be less likely to develop a colorstruck mentality."

Uhhhhhhh.....I don't think so. I'm sorry Ms. Misty but your assessment is sorely lacking in credibility and substance. People are into what they are into regardless of their educational level. I have met a large number of brothers who had little to no formal education beyond high school who preferred lighter complexioned women. I graduated from a predominately white university ( about 92%) and I never associated with any of the white students nor did I have an obsession for the light complexioned sista's.

My best friend and I went to the same white university. He now teaches at Mississippi State University. He married his college sweetheart -a medium brown complexioned sista. They are still married and have two children. He has a PhD in political science. How did he resist the high yalla addiction virus?

A guy I went to high school with in Ohio was obsessed with so-called high yalla's. I saw him many years later in down town Los Angeles. I thought he had outgrown his color struck ways. He told me she was married and then he grabbed my arm with a big grin on his face and proudly stated, ".....and she's light skinned too!!!!" He has no idea what a college even looks like.

When I was in the Navy, a brother said to me one day; "I loves me some red bones". I asked him and two other brothers who were from the South about their tendency to favor lighter complexioned women. All three did not deny their preferences and just shrugged it off as, "Hey -What can I say? It's what I like." End of subject.

I knew of a black woman who once told me, "If a brother is light skinned, he's already halfway through the door with me." Those were her exact words. And she was light complexioned!!!! Why did she feel that way? She had not been educated at white institution nor a black mainstream conservative type institution as you have suggested. She was a high school grad and had some community college education.

Sorry my dear, but there is no proven credible link between education and skin color preference. I know you want to believe that (your comments about education and skin color preference) but your desire to believe something does not make it true.

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so ntfs i guess to you its natural that 96% of the men at the louisianna universities found lighter skinned women more attractive while 70% of the women were more attracted to light skinned men?


are you saying this many students just happened to be born this way and that there were no outside influences that influenced their preferences??? to say that is equivalent to saying that its natural for the majority of people to prefer lighter skin to darker skin and that in and of itself would mean darker skin is by nature less attractive since most of these people prefer lighter skin.

do you have any scientific proof or credible sources that show skin color to be a major (or the main) factor in sexual selection for men and women? because if not then you should be the last one to claim anyones statement lacks credibility.
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tonya, the last stats i read still showed black men earn more money than black women.

but even if it were the case that black women earned just as much money, there are still 10 times as many white women making that same amount of money and who tend to run in middle to upper-class social circles.
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Fact/conclusion drawn from the facts: "Some of you have "Negro" stamped on your birth certificate; that's a FACT. You're trying to defend your past and preserve the origins of who you are."

Assertion: "But young folks don't have an excuse for possessing a slave mentality. We're in the age of information."

Another logical conclusion: "If you can afford to educate yourself and you're not a part of that time when such info was limited (in studies, college courses, Journals, reviews, books, magazines, etcetera) you have no excuse."

Lie: "Of course just like I reject your rebuttal, you won't accept my retort because you don't think using "negro", your favorite term of derision, especially when used in conjuction with "slave mentality", is a from of 'vilifying'

1) I did not use that as a slur nor do I ever. The term I often use is nig.ger. Which anybody who read my post would know, but you just chose to lie to make a groundless baseless point

2) I said "Some of you have "Negro" stamped on your birth certificate..." and I said it NOT in conjunction with "slave mentality" ANOTHER LIE as that term was used later on in my post when I switched over to discussing the lack of excuses YOUNG PEOPLE have for being colorist.


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Or, do you believe that taking young people to task is an example of your presuming you have the credentials to "tell" them what they should do.




We don't "tell" people here. We discussed things. If it sounds like something more than that, maybe you have some serious problem. Still show me your papers for the many discussions you've had over the years where you, um-humm....gave "examples of your presuming you have the credentials.

*Sigh*

You just don't make any sense.


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BTW, you never responded as to what the incentive was for them to follow your instructions.




Probably because you never ASKED that question. (Whew: coo-coo, coo-coo)
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"but even if it were the case that black women earned just as much money, there are still 10 times as many white women making that same amount of money and who tend to run in middle to upper-class social circles."

Yeah, but the argument that there aren't enough successful black women would not suffice. And unless they came up with another excuse, that has been the argument.

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but that would be to assume that successfulblack men are specifically looking for black women.

for a successful man who is just looking for a woman without regard to skin color hes more likely to end up with a white woman than a black one...and this doesnt nessesarily mean he's excluding black women or is not attracted to black women, he's jsut open to all races and white women tend to be around more since they're more likely than black women to be in the same social circles and economic range as he is.

so i think the argument would still pretty much suffice. yes there are plenty successful black women but when you compare the number to white (or asian) women it would be pretty low especially when you consider that blacks period only make up 12 % of the population, the number gets even lower when you start talking about ones who are making over 60,000.

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while were on the subject of preference ntfs, do you think that its natural for a black woman to "prefer" that her own skin be lighter...you think that's just a natural preference? if you say no then how would mate selection would be any different?


i think we have cases where some people are just strong minded enough to resist brainwashing while most aren't. you also have cases where some people just tended to come from families that were more color struck whereas others didn't have as much of a problem with it...everyones case and experiences wiht colorism is different however our experiences, surroundings and upbringing do for the most part affect how we view the world arround us.
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i can see maybe a few people preferring a certain skin complexion or maybe i could even see it being around half and half but when that number is 96% and 70% there is obviously something else going on outside of being born with a preference.
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"so i think the argument would still pretty much suffice".

To the scenario that you described, maybe, if these men are totally segregated from the Blacks within their own class, perhaps, but not for the (original) argument that was set forth. That's what I'm saying.
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Well, Tonya, the word "lie" is a great tool when attempting to spin damage control, almost as good as saying something "doesn't make sense" when you can produce a rebuttal. (Just because you can't grasp something doesn't mean it doesn't make sense. heh-heh) BTW, I did ask what incentives you offer young people for doing what you told them to do. ("What are your credentials and what incentives do you offer?") And you nobly declared that no incentives were necesssary when telling the "truth". Puleeze. And you seemed to have conveniently forgotten how you use the term "negro" right along with "coon" all the time in a derogatory way} But - your attempt to read the minds of people who you say were born with "negro" on their birth certificate was the biggest folly. So we remain in a semantic bind, because your truth is not my truth.
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"so ntfs i guess to you its natural that 96% of the men at the louisianna universities found lighter skinned women more attractive while 70% of the women were more attracted to light skinned men?"

Is it natural? Don't know and don't care. And I say that not to be dismissive or disrespectful. What is your point? That it is unnatural? If so, unnatural as compared to what? Is it unnatural for a black man to be attracted to women with skinny legs and a flat butt? Do you know what the average black mans preference is when discussing the physicality of females? How is skin color different? Why is the preference for one form of physicality different from another physical preference? Do you have an answer?

"are you saying this many students just happened to be born this way and that there were no outside influences that influenced their preferences???"

Misty, I've heard all the arguments that black men are brainwashed into liking something that someone wants to make an argument for. You suggested their education level was related to this "I like light" syndrome. I gave you personal concrete examples that completely contradicted your premise.

"to say that is equivalent to saying that its natural for the majority of people to prefer lighter skin to darker skin and that in and of itself would mean darker skin is by nature less attractive since most of these people prefer lighter skin."

Sigh....You don't get it do you? I told you this skin color thing is not restricted to black people!! There are more than billion people in China and more than a billion in India. In both countries, they have the same "I like light" syndrome. Who brainwashed them? The white man? Oh, don't we wish everything was that simple and easily explained. I'm not exactly sure why Misty, but I know this preference for lighter skin is manifest in all races and ethnicity's. And as I have said before, the Asians are more fanatical than Negroes about skin color. Again, are they brainwashed? If so, why and by whom?

"do you have any scientific proof or credible sources that show skin color to be a major (or the main) factor in sexual selection for men and women? because if not then you should be the last one to claim anyones statement lacks credibility."

Again, don't know and don't care. Skin color is not an issue with me -but it seems to be with you. You are the one who is suggesting black people have been mentally manipulated to prefer light complexions and reject dark complexions -not me. The burden of proof is with you -not me. YOU'RE THE ONE MAKING AN ASSERTION -NOT ME. I'm not accusing anyone of anything -you are!

"while were on the subject of preference ntfs, do you think that its natural for a black woman to "prefer" that her own skin be lighter...you think that's just a natural preference? if you say no then how would mate selection would be any different?"

I have no way of proving it and neither do you. Do black women seek darker men? Well, I guess if that is what the individual is attracted to (a complexion darker than their own), that's what they are into. You do know there are women who prefer lighter complexioned men, right? Explain that! I know of black women who prefer men lighter than they are and black women who are attracted to men who are darker. Why the difference? Who knows, who cares and why is it important? Is this a question of right and wrong??? And if you did know why, what end purpose would such knowledge serve and who will it benefit?

I'm into big curvy legs, wide hips, small waists and protruding butts. How is it different than skin color? It's all physical characteristics based on genetics. Who brain washed me into liking big legs, hips and booties? I've felt this way all my entire life. Why??? Why not average women, petite women or skinny women? And how does my fixation differ from someone who is into skin color since it is all an exterior physical manifestation? Just curious..........

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Again typical of a patronizing Black elitist Neo-Con like NTFS to try to prove that Slavery, Colonialism, Racism, and Racial segregation which was not just limited to American born Blacks but ppl of color all over the world has nothing to do with the unnatural obsessions that many ppl of color not just Black have with light skin color.

Preferring any physical attribute that is NOT "indigenous" to your tribe, culture, or race is unnatural PERIOD!! For sub-saharan Africans to prefer light-skin, hair, and eyes in a country where 99.5% of the ppl are BLUE-BLACK is unnatural. For East Asians to prefer round eyes, long noses, blonde hair and blue eyes is unnatural PERIOD!!!

For you to prefer women who are curvy, wide hipped, small waisted, and big butts is VERY natural because that is indigenous to your culture. In particular West African women.

But of course to a condescending Black Elitist Neo-Con like you who believes in everything that his non-Black Neo-Con counterparts tell him this doesn't make slightest "bit of sense".
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Sorry if the truth hurts, Cynnique. The incentive is not ending up a nig.ger.
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"Again typical of a patronizing Black elitist Neo-Con like NTFS to try to prove that Slavery, Colonialism, Racism, and Racial segregation which was not just limited to American born Black........."

Black elitist neo-con..???? Yeah.......I see........coming from an established academic heavy weight and an established brilliant cultural critic like SS, I guess that carries credibility...???? Ok........

"Preferring any physical attribute that is NOT "indigenous" to your tribe, culture, or race is unnatural PERIOD!! For sub-saharan Africans to prefer light-skin,................... prefer round eyes, long noses, blonde hair and blue eyes is unnatural PERIOD!!!"

And there ya have it. Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!

"For you to prefer women who are curvy, wide hipped, small waisted, and big butts is VERY natural because that is indigenous to your culture. In particular West African women."

I don't think so, but whatever.........

"But of course to a condescending Black Elitist Neo-Con like you who believes in everything that his non-Black Neo-Con counterparts tell him this doesn't make slightest "bit of sense""

What other people tell me? I see....and who tell's you what to think? Anyway, just a little something to temporarily lure you from your self righteous Tar Baby sandbox, check out a book by Joseph J. Trento entitled, "The Secret History Of The CIA". An excellent read with some fascinating stories and insight into the failures and cover ups of the CIA. Check the history bargain bin at your local Barnes and Noble book store......



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Of course you, Tonya, have the final say on what a n i g g e r is. Tell me, has your generation imbued you with this power? There are those among these millions who would call you a n i g g e r. And apparently what you deem is an incentive is not a very good one if we are to believe the heading of this thread. Truth? You can't handle the truth! LMAO.
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Dumb-ass Serena Sailor, you think all Sub-Saharan Africans look alike? That they are all inky-black like Bosko and Honey? and are big and fat like Esther Rolle? There are variations on their appearence: some are skinnier or of fuller build than others, taller or shorter than others, some are extremely dark "Van Dyke" brown while others are a deep reddish-brown (esp. Nigerians), the average sub-Saharan color being dark mahogany shading off to dark chocolate. There is no such thing as "blue-black," that's a white racist cartoonists' fantasy. You've been looking at too many Tom and Jerry cartoons, bumfuck.
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"There are those among these millions who would call you a n i g g e r."

And they'd have to say it for you. You're a nig.ger on both fronts. You've got both ends locked up.

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Woooo. What Tonya calls me really makes a difference. Not.
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>>>>>FART<<<<<
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“Sigh....You don't get it do you? I told you this skin color thing is not restricted to black people!!”


No shit Sherlock……you are making no kind of new revelation whatsoever.



“There are more than billion people in China and more than a billion in India. In both countries, they have the same "I like light" syndrome.”

And your point is?

“Who brainwashed them? The white man? Oh, don't we wish everything was that simple and easily explained. ”

Um…… you seriously need to read more up on pre-colonial history before you make any of these of statements. Yes white men aided in the brainwashing along with arabs…..if not then how do you explain the fact that places like japan just didn’t have this view that light skin = better and India didn’t equate light skin with beauty and importance before white globalization and arab take over? In fact japan and India were the complete opposite before white and Aryan invasion…in their cultures darker skin was at one time more coveted. Nor were the Japanese, Chinese, Egyptians , people form India and Arabs obsessed with blonde hair before European globalizion….most people in those cultures held a preference for dark hair. Several africann cultures before European colonialism held a preference for darker skin and the women actually tried to darken their skin instead of lighten it unlike today. How do you explain all of this? How do you explain the fact that things weren’t always this way. I have actual links to prove everything im saying about japan, china, Egypt and and African cultures.


Here are some of them

http://www.colorq.org/Articles/article.aspx?d=1999&x=blackwhite

Here is a link from a topic I started about this a long time ago…it has all kinds of links that prove what im saying about the skin color preference not being there before

http://www.thumperscorner.com/discus/messages/11222/15656.html?1158025759


“I'm not exactly sure why Misty, but I know this preference for lighter skin is manifest in all races and ethnicity's.”


Read the links and you’ll see why


“And as I have said before, the Asians are more fanatical than Negroes about skin color. Again, are they brainwashed? If so, why and by whom?”


Of course they are again this is no new revelation and I’ve known this since I learned about it in middle school.



“color is not an issue with me”


If not then why do you get so on the offensive and become so enraged any time someone states an opinion differing from yours on why the preference for light skin exists amongst blacks?? It’s obviously an issue for you. Seriously you‘re the one who came out arms swinging and all like someone had accused you of stealing something while I was simply stating an opinion.


“I'm into big curvy legs, wide hips, small waists and protruding butts. How is it different than skin color?”



Because there is no really strong genetic link between sexual makeup and skin color however there is a VERY strong genetic link between sexual makeup and body build. Women by nature are on average shorter than men (hence, why men prefer shorter women and women go for taller men), women on average have wider hips, fatter thighs, larger butts, and larger breasts than men (which is why men on average prefer women with these attributes). Women have longer legs and shorter torsos than men (hence, why men prefer women with long legs). Men on average are more muscular than women, taller with more narrow hips (which is why women prefer men with these attributes)…. are you getting me??
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Is this a question of right and wrong??


not saying the person is morally wrong as we cant help who we like for the most part (especially if its been beaten into our heads since day one) but a person can try being intellectually honest with themselves and admit that social forces may have something to do with their preferences and try not to pass their biased mentality onto the next generation. i'm not demonizing people and saying that a man or woman who has a preference for light skin should all of a sudden stop dating light skin women/men but at least be intellectually honest and dont try to ridicule people who may feel that the preference has to do with more than being born that way.

often this goes deeper than preferences though...there is an out and out HATRED of darker skin people that exists everywhere....and this hatred often comes from people who claim to just have nothing more than a "preference." the reason preferences for light skin often turn into hatred of dark skin comes from the fact that anything black has always been hated and we live in a white supremist society.....you dont hear about men who prefer big boobs hating women with small ones...you also dont hear about women who prefer men with big muscles hating skinny men but you DOP hear case after case of people who prefer lighter skin ridiculing someone and showing outright hatred towards people with darker skin...this is because there is no stigma attached to women with small boobs or skinny men however there IS a stigma attached to dark skin.. so maybe thats why the skin color issue is so much more important than a man preferring a woman with big breasts or a woman preferring a muscular man because no one has ever been hated on the bases that they have small breasts however people have always been hated on account of thier skin color (especially if they have dark skin)...there were never cases where signs were hung up saying no small boobed women allowed.....no instead signs said no blacks and no dogs allowed.
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also as far as china and japans preference for white skin goes...alot of that can be explained by the fact that the rich sat inside and didnt have to work whereas the peasants were always outdoors....therefore in japan light skin came to be associated with beauty and it became an ideal standard...those in power have always controlled the standards. white globolization came along and reinforced (as well as perverted) some of the standards that were already in chinese and japanese cultures (not only did iit reinforce the light skin beauty standard but it introduced standards that werent there before such as blonde hair which was at one time viewed as repulsive by ancient pre-colonial chinese societies) .

however it is true that when africans ruled japan at one time the japanese actually coveted dark skin and tried to make their skin darker...they even went as far as trying to flatten out their babies skulls to make their face wider and noses wider in order to immulate africans (all of this is explained in the link to the article i posted to you). so again all of this reinforces what ive beens aying all along,,,those in power set the standards for everything including beauty.
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There are many outrageous prefences in racial or social groups. In the UK, especially Liverpool, having a tan is seen as beautiful and we have MANY tan-o-rexics. I know people who say they feel 'ugly' without their brown holiday skin so use sunbeds and fake tan oils.

There have been many cases of teenagers who have skin like thirty-odd year olds because of their obsession. And several times people have said to me 'I wish I could get as brown as you' or even 'my nephew had jaundice and when he goes in the sun he is alomost your colour'. LMAO.

Out here people laugh and take it as a joke, but 'colourstruck' is more of a problem in the black community because of our colonisation history. We were told that lighter skin was more beautiful. However, I think for quite a few Black people lighter skin, like darker skin, is simply a prefernce. People often over analyse this prefence too much and always assume that someone liking lighter skin is hating themselves.

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*cue someone telling me I am colour struck*
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You know what Cynnique I just read your response on another thread and now I know that you were serious with your line of questioning. Please. You don't want to go there. I recall discovering not long ago that you're not even familiar with some of the basic concepts that are taught on a 101 level. If that's what you meant, my degree is in Criminal Justice - unrelated to this topic but still, I am certainly more qualified than you are, not that this discussion requires such.
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The mysterious Tonya rears her head again. Would you mind telling me what you are talking about? Logical Syntax never seems to be a part of your thought processes and context and frame of reference don't seem to be your strong suit, so you don't need to be talking about "101" anything. Degree in criminal justice, indeed. Stop stewing and elucidate. If you can.
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Says who??? You don't even have the license to "tell" me that. Please sistah, you're not "qualified" for anything.
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So what are you talking about, Tonya? Obviously having a degree in criminal justice has not enhanced your composition skills or qualified you to express yourself with coherance. You expect people to read your mind. You're a person whose progression of thought runs from "c", to "b", and but never to "a". You could take some lessons from GED-holder, Mzuri, when it comes to clearly stating a point. Lay off the sauce/chronic, girlfriend. LOL.
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The color joint. Folks just can't get over it.
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Cynnigue,

Knowing who you are and your trouble with interpretation, it is laughable that you expect me to guess the part you supposedly don't understand or why you haven't grasped it. By your own logic you could use a lesson in clear expression yourself. And I repeat: you don’t have the license to critique me on anything. You can’t even sell books but now you’re somebody’s teacher???? Stop. LMAO!



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Toxic - Do you have the ability to make a point about anything without resorting to digging for your same old boring shitturds? Why don't you ever provide an answer when someone asks you a valid question? Nobody here gives a fukc about Cynique's self-publishing effort anymore. You are reaching too far back and you need to get over it. Why can't you ever cast an insult about something relevant and current. And BTW, you look mighty stupid (to everyone) sitting up here trying to tell Cynique that she's not qualified to tell your inexperienced irrational self a thing or two. If she decides to bestow some pearls of wisdom upon you about life in general, STFU and listen. And learn to spell Cynique please. Wench.


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Why don't you just quote from the post you are talking about, Tonya? I can't believe that in order to clarify yourself, it hasn't occurred to you to do this???? Instead of going all off on far-fetched tangents about me selling books and being your teacher, why don't you get specific and prove that you are not as stupid as you appear to be. Good grief!
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Cynnique,

I don’t remember the thread but it don’t matter because I refuse to buttress your pathological need to bend and distort and flame things like you tried to do on that thread for the mere purpose of inventing useless drama.

The bottom line: you have a right to your opinion but don’t act like it is based on true credentials.

Mzuri,

You heard your name and like the mutt you are you drag your tired bones in here as if a dog like you can perform new tricks. Shoo, B*tch.

You’re the only one that needs wisdom thrust upon your goodenoughdiploma having self. OF COURSE she's qualified to school you. But then JAILS are OVERFULL with folk that can do that.

(Cynnique, too bad you can't whistle for better help. LOL!)
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Oh puleeze, Tonya, you chickened out because you weren't up to the challege. And the more you try to extricate yourself from the corner you painted yourself in, the more foolish you looked. And where do you get the idea that I act like I have "true" credentials. I've never claimed to have a degree and have never referred to myself as a scholar or an intellect. I call myself a polemist, - a contrarian - a Zen disciple who operates in the spaces between the words and in the facets of a prism. You just don't get it. And I didn't whistle for Mzuri's help. I don't need it. I am perfectly capable defending myself!
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Call yourself what you must. In this country you're delusional till you can back it up with solid credentials. So excuse me for not giving a damn.
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That's one of the most ridiculous statements I've ever heard. Who needs "credentials" to be a contrarian???? All you have to do is to take an opposite point of view. Jeeze, you're dense! And speaking of delusions, who cares if you give a damn or not?? LMAO.
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Whatever Toxic. If you'd like to believe that I'm a mutt with no wisdom that's fine with me. Just remember that just because you believe something, doesn't make it true (which isn't grammatically correct but there's no other way to say that). And I wonder if you can cite something that I've posted that didn't make any sense? Instead of regurgitating the fact that I dropped out of school over thirty years ago.

"In this country you're delusional till you can back it up with solid credentials."

Where in the fukc is that written? And WTF are solid credentials? The truth is the truth Toxic, regardless of who presents it. Do you think that Christ had a Ph.D.??? Einstein???

Here's todays pearl for you - GENIUS IS NOT TAUGHT.

And speaking of credentials. WTF is this BS?

"Some of you have "Negro" stamped on your birth certificate; that's a FACT."

Who in the fukc besides your dimwitted flatass walks around with their birth certificate anymore? Normal people have theirs filed away and use more convenient forms of identification such as state issued drivers license or passports. But if you want to identify yourself based on what's written on your birth certificate, then knock yourself out. Negro.

Do you even read your own garbage before you hit that POST button? Doubt it, because if you did you'd spend some time on rewrites or not publish anything at all. Take a tip and take a break girlfriend, because you've lost it.

And BTW, in regard to this whole darkskin/lightskin topic - this perception of value is ingrained in the human psyche. It is etched into our subconscious. And so people can't change their behaviors on this.

You can start a million threads about this same old tired topic, it's not going to change anyone's thinking.


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What baffles me is: What constitutes "light-skinned" and what constitutes "dark-skinned"? Aren't those subjective terms? If you asked a White person what color I am, they'd tell you I'm dark-skinned. If you asked a Black person what color I am, they'd tell you I'm light-skinned. AND THEY WOULD BOTH BE RIGHT!

I think this is how people determine who's light and who's dark; and clearly there are too many variables for these perceptions to be reliable. Essentially, someone will call you dark-skinned if you're darker than they are, and light-skinned if you're lighter than they are.

For example, my third son, my "darkest" child, is about a shade deeper than a brown paper bag. (Sorry for the crude comparison, but that's the only color I can compare him to that we're all familiar with). To me, due to my coloring, my son is "dark," but I've heard people with darker complexions than my son refer to him as "light."

So, really, what is the cut-off point between dark and light, and by whose standards? Clearly there's no definitive, concrete answer.

Further, to rely on a skin color preference study coming out of Louisiana, of all places, and conducted on such a small sample/control group is absurd!
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QUOTE MZURIBLE: And BTW, in regard to this whole darkskin/lightskin topic - this perception of value is ingrained in the human psyche. It is etched into our subconscious. And so people can't change their behaviors on this. So did not the slaves tell harriett tubman that she was a fool and there would always be slavery an that being a slave was natural? did not the black folks of jim crow tell Martin luther king that segregation could not be undeon and did not white people claim that blacks would never dominate tennis and golf? I see the color thing in the early stages of starting to change just by all the folks thats rebeling against it. They have start somewhere.
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I was a child colored folks like Mzrible claimed there would always be white/black drinking fountains and blacks enter restaurants from rear but no some people like Tanya changed that mess.
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And did not "enchanted" tell everybody she wants her sons to marry light-skinned women?
And ostensibly slavery was abolished and jim crow discontinued and tennis and golf integrated by blacks, but the reality is that racism still exists and is manifest because it is embedded in the psyche and institutions of the greater population; just like colorism.
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so what Ive been honest Cynique but my point is I dont believe blacks are going to be the level of colorstruck we have been before I do think its changing and I see many signs of darker skin raising there children different and those kids are rebeling it reminds me of black teens who changed the south in the 60s so dont misunderstand what Im saying because most of us from you and my generation didnt even realize we were colorstruck I dont believe this has been on purpose but subconsous and the subconsous can change there was a time very dark skin men were not wanted by anybody and you remember those days Cynique! things can change among blacks themselves if not the whites.
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Let me clarify what I meant by darkskin/lightskin preferences being ingrained in the human psyche since there are dimwits (i.e. discombobulated whose trolly ass I don't really care to address but I'll make an exception) who can't comprehend the obvious. It's a damn shame people get castigated for stating facts on this forum.

Thru the years, the following has been the standard belief throughout most cultures:

White = clean, goodness, light, purity, etc.

Black = dirt, darkness, evil, death, etc.

And we use such terms as the following to convey good and bad:

White magic

Black magic

White lie

Black sheep

And for your reference, here are links to the dictionary:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/black

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/white

The human mind has very distinct reactions to color and also to skin color. That's the way it's always been and that's the way it will always be. Now, if you have some facts that contradict what is stated above, please post those.

U.S. - I'm not sure if you were responding to my post but I was addressing how skin tone is perceived within the Black community, not by the other races/ethnicities amongst themselves or how they view our skintones. The other races/ethnicities have their own colorism issues, this issue is not exclusive to Blacks - but you know that already. I would say light skin is anything up to caramel/peanut butter, and dark skin is anything that's darker than a chocolate candy bar. No offense intended to anyone.

And this is something else that I've gathered over the years. The reason that dark men and light woman attract is because of the contrast. It's just more interesting.


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Oh shut up, "enchanted". You're aren't my contemporary. "Black is beautiful" had its heyday in the 1960s and soon faded. All we hear from "you" and others is how colorism is being perpetuated in mainstream America by the media. Your little anecdotal example to the contrary are apparently not widespread as the title of this thread attests to. In the general population blacks marry who they are attracted to no matter what the shade of their skin is, - just as they always have. So the "status" is "quo".
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mzuri, black has not always been equated with bad and white has not always been equated with good....i have alot of references to back this up.....the idea of white being equated with good is quite modern when you consider the age of the planet earth because in the past in many ancient societies (especially in africa, the carribbean and amongst the australian aborigines) white was equated with evil and everything bad whereas black represented the complete opposite...this was also true for india before aryan invasion. and even in ancient rome they worshipped many statues that were jet black and these held no bad connotations.
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I said thru the years, Misty, not the eons. And BTW, I believe we're discussing current events, not ancient history.

Do YOU perceive white as bad and black as good???


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White is worn for death in China, even today.
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And that negates what I posted??? Or are you just making a comment about what the Chinese people wear to funerals to ward off evil spirits.


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It's an insult in their community to wear black to a funeral, just as it is for us to where white to a funeral. The colors mean nothing, people just throw their own personal feelings on color. In Cyprus, it's no big deal if the close family members (even the mothers) wear black to a wedding. Try doing that in the US. None of it means ANYTHING. People make too much out of nothing.
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Ring-a-ding-ding ding-a-ling. This is the AALBC.com's Thumper's Corner Discussion Board Culture, Race & Economy - This board's purpose is to facilitate the exchange of opinions, ideas, facts, and information as it relates to Black people in America.

We're discussing issues that affect BLACK PEOPLE IN AMERICA. We're not discussing China, Cyprus, Japan, Ghana or Timbuktu.

Lord help me Jesus. We need two separate forums here. One for the do-do birds that can't carry on an adult conversation and one for the rest of us.


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Around where I live, at summer funerals you very often see the entire family of mourners wearing white. And people around here wear black to weddings all the time, and this includes the bridesmaids. Contrary to what Renata so blithely states, these not "no-nos" in all parts of the country.
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LOL...in other words....White people IN THIS COUNTRY disliked blacks the color because it's associated WITH US. Just because someone dislikes a color and somehow got a bunch of dumbasses to agree with him on the negativity or positivity of it doesn't make it so. IN THIS COUNTRY, the white man believed the color to be negative, and he being the leader got black people to agree with him. GET IT? Which is why FOLLOWERS like yourself are still defending it.

It must be a regional thing. Here, if you're a close family member wearing black to a wedding, or anyone other than an usher or such wearing white to a funeral, it won't be pretty....unless it's been requested.
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Slaves were referred to as "colored" in this country. They were also called "darkies" and "negroes". "Black" was not in official usage until the 1960s when white people started calling us black because that was what we wanted to be called. Black has both negative and positive connotations. Oil is called "black" gold. A time when something dire has happend is called a "black day". Being in the "black" is good when it comes to bookkeeping, but black-mailers are considered evil people. Whether black is bad or good changes from situation to situation, obviously.
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Mzuri: "And I wonder if you can cite something that I've posted that didn't make any sense?"

I can't cite anything you said as nothing you say ever impress me.

Mzuri; "Instead of regurgitating the fact that I dropped out of school over thirty years ago."

You keep butting into my conversations with your rudimentary knowledge WHEN YOU CAN'T EVEN GET THAT RIGHT. So I’ma keep giving it to you straight until you realize that there's nothing you can say to impress me--so stop trying. The most I can learn from you is what NOT to do. Don't expect any praises for that. You're nobody that one would "cite".

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Okay, time for a little comic relief, here’s my new name for Mzuri and Cynnique:

The Negro and The Hound.

LOLOLOLOL!!

~Ain’t nothing’ but a hound dog~ LOL!!

Better get the b*tch neutered, Cynnique, and get that mutt her shots…..

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Typical la toxic copout. Can't back up your insinuations that I am uneducated, so instead you attempt to insult me by stating that I'm nobody worth citing. Well, if I'm nobody bicth, then stop sweatin me. And let me remind you that you don't have any exclusive conversations happening on this forum, and I will post whenever, wherever and how ever often I choose, you putrid stank fleabitten wench.


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Your posts (above) speak for themselves dumb b*tch, you just don't know it, which speaks further to your dumbness. If I were to enlighten you, I'd have to start on about a 4rth grade level, the honest to goodness truth, and you should know by now that as far as I'm concerned you're not worth the time.
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Comic relief? Kerplunk! Soorry, Tonya, that wasn't funny. Just a lack-luster attempt at humor by a "dead-end loser". snicker. Incidentally, my birth certificate has "colored" on it, not "Negro", And that's a FACT. There's another pacifier to soothe your petulance. I took pity on you.
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la toxic's too dickbrained to know that we get comic relief every damn time we post. LOLOLOLOL!
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The Negro and The Hound


LOLOLOL!!!

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Didn't you just say that I wasn't worth your time??? Then why do you persist in addressing me, you mangey furball infested cat clump.
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LOOOOSEEEEEER! Hang on, Tonya. Maybe one day you'll be on the winning side. But don't hold your breath. ROTFLOL.
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That's it. I'm composing a directory of forum insults
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If the losing side is my sitting up in a $150 dollar bath robe in front of wall-to-wall box loads of my favorite white slippers, which I dispose of at the end of each week, I don't want to be on the side of you postal working "winners".

Don’t mean to brag...everything’s a compliment coming from you two winners.

...(*Snicker*)

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PS, my monthly Amazon account exceeds each of your mortgage.

…loving my side just fine :-)
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Tsk-tsk, Tonya. You don't get it, do ya babe? Winning ain't about materialistic possessions, or superficial trappings, it's about reality, about that colorism war you are waging a battle against. LOOOOOSER!
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"Don't mean to brag but everything's a compliment coming from you two winners."??? Huh? The lucid, vacuous Tonya once again lobs a bomb.
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Colorism, like racism, is too much of a noble endeavor for a peon like you to think you’re on the level to judge.

...Just make sure the mail gets here on time, will ya :-)


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Wit should always contain an element of truth, Tonya. Your attempts at it are sorely lacking. I am retired from the Post Officem my dear and have nothing to do with mail delivery. And the continuing existence of colorism exempifies my astute judgment, something you ought know since this losing cause is your favorite thing to pout about. Now, do all the criminals a favor and get a job at WalMart because anybody as inarticulate as you couldn't possibly do these poor victims justice. You can even get an employee discount at WalMart and buy all of the robes and slippers you want or - maybe you can find a man there so you won't have to seek satisfaction from inanimate objects.
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HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHA LOFL!!! ROTFLMBAO!!!AHAHAHhAHAHHAHHAHAHA!! STOP TONYA PLEASE!!!!!!!!!
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a-woman and b-tonya have to be the poster girls for educated fools. Don't dare scratch their surface, if your looking for depth. Shallowness is their most noteworthy trait. Now, bring it on a-woman. Do all of your vapid verbal acrobatics that characterize you as the sound and the fury of an idiot saying nothing. LMAO.
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HAHAHAHA! No, thank you! Not tonight, Miss Negro. I am not going to allow you or the Hound to spoil my good feelings tonight! But you and your "new" sidekick go ahead and indulge all you like! I don't have the time nor the inclination to play tonight.

Thanks for the laughter! It will last me ALLLLLLLLLLLLLL WEEK LONG!!! Bye Now! HAHAHAHAHHAHA! WHEW! This was good...
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Newsflash la toxic - I don't have a mortgage, my home is paid for. As to your Amazon account, are you referring to what you pay them or what they pay you??? Dying to know. Not!!!


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Glad that maniacal idiot took her leave. Good riddance. Guess ol b-tonya is somewhere snugglin up with her goose-down pillow and satin sheets, and top of the line blow-up doll.
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Posted on Sunday, June 24, 2007 - 07:52 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)


And her 50,000 cats
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Well, Cynnique, you're one of the most articulate ppl on here and you're a retired postal worker with no education to speak of and a lifestyle that got one of your progenies caught in the cross-fire.

Go figure. No, really, go figure.

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Am I missing something here? Tonya's line of reasoning never ceases to amaze me. Maybe what she said would've made sense if she hadn't injected the word "cross-fire" into the equation becauses mentioning this offers up the familiar possibility of an innocent bystander being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Yes?
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Y'know we all poke fun at one another - some of it is in jest; some is out of geniune dislike for another member of the forum. Even in the latter case, some things are sacred, some lines should never be crossed.

That last comment of yours, Tonya, was really deplorable. An all-time low. Some things you just don't do, some things you just don't say. Not out of respect for someone you don't get along with, but for your peace of mind and your self-respect and dignity. You just don't go there.
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You're out of line la toxic. Cynique's lifestyle had nothing to do with what happened to her grandson - he was a grown man. And you need to learn where to draw the fucking line with your infantile bullshit. What the fukc are you trying to say anyway, that Cynique is a gangster???

STFU

No really, you need to SHUT THE FUKC UP!!!


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Triple jinx.

La toxic - you need to step away from your computer. No really, you need to back the fukc up.


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BTW, I spend two years in the liberal arts curriculm at the University of Illinois, a Big 10 school with an impeccable academic reputation and I'll match that tenure against a lot of 4 year schools. If I hadn't gone there I wouldn't be able to recognize the inadequacies of those who imagine they are highly-intelligent.
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Mzirable if anybody need to stay off the cmputer its you your a stupid woman who has none of the smarts that evil shrew Cynique has and she is a meanie who can take care of herself better than she looked after that boy in the crossfire that was killed which is partly her fault an she act so high an mighty but your all nasty people who dirty up the board.
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Tonya can say anything she wants to. The more she says the sillier she looks. It's obvious that she's so desperate that she's grasping at straws.
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QUOTE Cynique: BTW, I spend two years in the liberal arts curriculm at the University of Illinois, spend or SPENT? that awruf book you wrote proved your not all that smart lady nobody could get through it.
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Oh shut up enchanted. You're as bad as Tonya. It was my grandson who was killed. He lived with his parents. I didn't raise him. I fail to see what his tragic death has to do with me being articulate or where I live. What airheads.
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LMAO. You still trashing my book, kolachanted? I wouldn't know whether that piece of crap you sent me was any good or not because I threw in the trash where it belonged. And anybody should know that good writers are born not made. Getting a degree or attending college is no guarantee anybody will be a good writer.
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Can you believe discombobulated is critiquing and spell-checking other people's posts. What next. I gotta hand it to you sock puppet, you've got lots of balls whoever you are.


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Urban, you mean like the insensitivity Cynnique shows for the millions that suffer from colorism?

I appreciate your post, I understand it from your perspective, but I've been a member long enough to know how Cynnique regard people that look like her. She has no respect for their feelings, and just because she's one of them doesn't make it right. Still, I appreciate your post.


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la toxic - as usual your logic and rationale do not equate. Cat's out of the bag for real this time, with the exception of discombobulated, you're the absolute number one stupidest person on this forum.


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Learn something above the 4th grade level before TRYING to get on a first-name basis with me. K?

It won’t work but it should give you an incentive.
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Oh stop coppin a plea, Tonya. Kola boof has brainwashed her groupies well. You and your brigade are always playing the victim. You are the good people and red bones are the bad people. Light-skinned people are inauthentic and should be kicked out of the race. blah, blah, blah, blah. Me, I treat people the way they treat me and I don't judge anybody by their color or do I promote colorism. And if I was thin-skinned like you, I'd be whining about you playing the age card every chance you get, but I really don't care. You had a chance to move on to other subjects but you came back on the board, calling names and trying to bait me and then you get upset if I play hard ball. You claim you don't give a damn about what I say. Act like it.
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told you all I could make Cynique call me kola!! :-) wheres my five dollars all? the old witch is so easy.
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la toxic - I wish I had a comeback but your low-life, no class, no ass, no man having shit for brains behind is incapable of giving me anything to work with. Why don't you step it up a notch and stimulate my 4th grade intellect. LOLOLOLOL!!!!


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You are kola, you stupid-asssed b i t c h. But who cares? yawn.
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"then you get upset if I play hard ball".


LOLOLOLOL!!!

Now that's the statement of the day!

Just because you gave it all you got doesn't make it hardball, granny.

LMBAO!

But it’s good you’re not screaming victim. I thought you would’ve played "the age card" by now. Wait a minute! You did. Awww. So close!

Muzri, stop projecting yourself onto other pll, it just makes you look stupider and it won't change who you are. You're the end of the road, the last stop, it's TOO LATE.
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"You are kola, you stupid-asssed b i t c h. But who cares?"

Wooooo. Cynnique. So unlike you. Wow.
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LMAO. Boy, those last 2 posts were vintage Tonya. Nothing she said made an ounce of sense. Just a bunch of lame irrelevancy. After trying to garner sympathy from Urban Scribe because she was soooo traumatized by my lack of sensitivity to the colorism she falls victim to, Tonya accuses me of playing the age card. Huh? How do I do this? Call myself old?? Good Lord, this woman's brain is scrambled. Then she proceeds to feign surprise over my calling "enchantkola" a name. What's that all about??? Who knows? It's hard to sort out how Tonya's backwards mind functions if it functions at all. Wheeeeeeee.
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Just have that mail on time, postal Pete! No operating on no Negro time! (Teehee!)

And stop being ashamed of your Negroid features! Stand up and be proud!
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Meanwhile, back in the real world, where retired workers don't deliver the mail, and women aren't called "pete", please let your co-workers do the talking, ol tangled-tongued Tonya, so justice will be served, not denied. And for goodness sakes, buy yourself a butt from Victoria's Secret so you don't have to be further embarassed by your physical inadequacies.
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I'm not kola Cynique which is what has me convinced your a looney but what worst is that Kola Boof completely dominates you her ghost is all power on this board and anyone has to acknowledge that You have made me come to respect her so much.
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Blah, blah, blah, save the BS and sell it for fertilizer. Bottom line, you are a big phony.
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retired? if you believe everyone in the world is kola boof in disguise which you do then you probably do have bags of mail you have not delivered postal pete and you were the one who said your husband died so he could get a break from you not us! remember that? so I dont think you are retired from mail carrying I think you suffer dementia or alshymers. I think that name Postal Pete fits you good Cynique.
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I admit Tonya needs somebody to help her out, because she has such a hard time being on point, but you aren't the one. A psychopath like you needs help herself. BTW, didn't you try and say you worked as a Nanny for those little retarted bastards of Kola and that big ape who left her for a human woman??? How quickly we forget. LMAO
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Sigh. Another day of dealing with y'alls ceaseless and eternal stupidity. These two nappy airheads are too dumb to know that all postal workers are NOT letter carriers. Cynique had one of those soft cushy office jobs because she has too much class to be lugging the mail. You bitches are unreal.


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"...as a Nanny for those little retarted bastards of Kola and that big ape who left her for a human woman..."

Aw, shit! Postal Pete done gone postal, y'all!

Watch out--that b*tch might have a gun!!

Duck!!
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Mzurible what is wrong with black women having nappy hair you sound jealous? and I remember when Cynique said she got athlete foot fungus from so much walking in those boots when she woul deliver mail and it drew her closer to her husband they had that foot fungus in common so its a lie that she was not a mail carrier she even has on the uniform in that picture she always post of herself where she looks like a turtle I dont know what Postal Pete is ashamed of.
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Mzirable why do you hate black women so much?
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LMAO. Just the kind of response I'd expect from tangled-tongue Tonya. Totally off the mark. Words are my weapons, babe. So I won't be firing a gun through my computer screen. No go back to shuffling papers and, remember, keep your lip zipped.
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I see ol "enchanted" has crawled back. Guess she's taking a break from picking the lice out of the hair of kola's little chimps. Her next chore is to fertilize the tomato plants. She uses the ashes of Kola's cremated mammy to do this, and if kola finds out, her penis will get an erection.
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Discombobulated - I don't hate Black women. Just your crusty stank nappy headed monkey looking asses. You said what about Cynique's postal career? Post your link bicth. Thank you.

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I have told the world and am now reiterating that I am proud of my 25 years of postal service! If I wasn't, I wouldn't always be talking about it. I never delivered mail but I don't put down people who do, because that airhead Tonya and her entourage are the best reasons in the world to doubt the competancy to be found among the "professional" ranks. I'll take a shrewd, worldly person over a dummy with a degree any day. snicker.
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Words are your weapon, aye? Well they ain’t lethal or else you would’ve sold some books instead of coming up in here and getting postal.

Duck!!
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Cut it out, postal Pete!!!
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Tell me, dumbass. Do "lethal" words sell books? You're unbelievable. Do yourself a favor and stop proving how stupid you are. LMAO. The criminal justice system is in great jeopardy with old tangled-tongued, brain-addled Tonya as an advocate. And Postal Pete is coming out of retirement to see that that petition to have you removed from your job is in the mail tomorrow. It's the least I can do. America will thank me.
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You forgot to duck, Dingbat. ROTFLOL
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Whooooaaaaaaaw.

Ol' postal Pete is foamin, whoa she's really mad now!!

O, lordy, hit the switch!!!!
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Question to la toxic: How many books has your clownie flat ass sold? Exactly?
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Wonder what "switch" addle-brained Tonya is talking about as she continues to embarass herself. LMAO.
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Lookin out the window. She's still there!!!!

(Now I lay me down to sleep, I pray da lord my soul to keep, and if I DIE before I WAKE...oh, lordy, please lordy, NO!!!)
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Tonya's in a fog, as usual, desperately resorting to lies. I never tried to sell any books on this board. The small amount of books that I had printed up, I sold locally. No big deal, - except to Tonya and her motley crew. yawn.
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Sounds like the window Tonya says she's looking out of is in an institution. Maybe she been committed. Nah. She's harmless. Too disoriented to be dangerous. Poor thing.
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I know it's hard to sell books but c'mon Postal!

Just try harder next time...you don't have to do this!!!!

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!

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The melt down continues as poor ol addled-brained Tonya becomes more and more removed from reality, increasingly fixated on an obscure book. tsk-tsk. Maybe ol Postal Pete will exert her influences and see about having a stamp issued to call attention to mental illness, and tangled-tongue Tonya's face can be on it, looking like she stuck her finger in an electric socket after she took it out of her flat ass. heh-heh.
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It only defines who you are as a writer. Not as an American hero!

Think of all you've done delivering mail.

Don't end it all right here, postal Pete! Donnnnn't!!!
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la toxic - you should probably go mop some floors or something before your boss catches you hacking into the company's computer systems and wasting official company resources. stupid bithc.

LOLOLOLOL!


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And you should go back to school, crackwhore. You're too old to be sucking d*ck, you're the end of the road.
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I just wonder if ol addled-brained Tonya has a flask stashed in her locker, cuz she writes like she's half-drunk. What does this response refer to? "It only defines who you are as a writer. Not as an American hero! Think of all you've done delivering mail." It's like this ditz thinks in a vaccum because her skull is empty. She could never get a job at the post office because the test questions would stump her. They require logical thinking. LMAO.
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You're the authority on dick sucking now? Please tell us more, stank cat lady.
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"She could never get a job at the post office..."

Nooooo. Cuz the post office is for "winners" postal Pete!

It's for Best Sellers. (Teehee!)

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Straight from the horse's mouth. You're a loser, Tonya tangled-tongue, and you sure couldn't write a best-selling book because you are verbally-challenged and mentally-deranged.
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la toxic - Have you ever taken the postal exam? Because I have and I promise you it's not for the
hopelessly clusterfucked.
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"...you sure couldn't write a best-selling book because you are verbally-challenged..."

Okay but what's your excuse? Oh, I forget. You wanted to be a hero!

...ain't mad at you postal Pete!


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Good for you Mzuri! Now let's see you take a Pap exam, watch that shit crumble, it ain't for the desiccated cunts!
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I don't need any excuse to join the ranks of millions of other authors who haven't written best-sellers, addle-brained Tonya. Unlike you, I deal with reality. But it's encouraging to see that you've tacitly acknowledged that you are a loser who is verbally and mentally-challenged. Once you emerge from complete denial you, too, may be a hero. And your not being mad at me, is also a sign that you are making progress. snicker.
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Your pap smear crumbled? Damn la toxic, your bitter flat ass is even worse off than I thought.
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"I don't need any excuse to join the ranks of millions of other authors ..."

My bad! I thought you had to sell a certain amount. You know, to more than just your friends at the post office. Sorry for that postal Pete!
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Let's see you take a Pap exam, watch that PUSSY crumble, it ain't for the desiccated cunts!

Your pussy can be classified as shit, worthless b*tch.


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I didn't realize that you were an expert on classifying pussy. You might have some brains in that nappy head of yours after all.


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That was your bad, Tonya, Addle-brained. I guess your sources didn't tell you that my book was self-published. Writing it was something to do in the leisure of my retirement and it was just a little novel I produced on my word processor, after which I had 200 copies printed up. So now can you get over your obsession with this book?
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her obsession with your book! you mean like your obsession with Kola! LMAO! at least kola's a gifted writer with guts Cynique but what are you but an old evil witch with athlete's foot and bags of mail you forgot to deliver? you act like your so darn smart but that book showed what a no-talented stupid lady you are then add your kola paranoia You and Mizurible are like a case of meesles and mumps zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Mzuri: "I didn't realize that you were an expert on classifying pussy. You might have some brains in that nappy head of yours after all."

That's what your nig.ger b*tch momma said to her pimp, nine months before you were born.

Cynnique: "So now can you get over your obsession with this book?"

Looking for mercy, aye!?!?!?

Well Postal. Put down the gun, let the hostages go, and we'll see where things go from there.

.....(Snicker)

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You think? Well your jiggaboo ain't yomamma fake weave snagged tooth flat ass should know all about bitches, hoes and pimps since you hold a Ph.D. (that's a pimp and ho degree for the uninitiated). S-L-U-T!


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Learn your ABC’s...b*tch. Then tell me what a Ph.D stand for.
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So how did you get a hold of my book, "enchanted"? While you were snooping around kola's room, looking for something to steal since she only pays you $5.50 an hour to make sure her chimpa don't escape from their cage? Guess giving the gardner blow jobs didn't net you as much as you thought it would. Maybe kola can give you some pointers. BTW, sorry you didn't like the book. C'est La Vie.
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Why would ridding yourself of a fixation on my book be an act of mercy that would benefit anyone other than you and your desperate self, Tangled-Tongue Tonya??) Sigh. Just another flawed conclusion attributable to your lame brain. Pitiful. The only mercy on I'm concerned with, is that which a judge will hopefully show to the innocent victims of any case you may have botched up with your ineptitude. Lord help em. Amen.
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la toxic - I already know my abc's, in four different languages. And I'm still waiting for your trick flat ass to stimulate my 4th grade intellect. LOLOLOLOLOL!

Now please excuse me while I take my afternoon nap.




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Cynnique,

You got the skills yet you couldn’t sell your book. You're no wizard babe.
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Who said I was a wizard? Selling my book was not a priority in my life. Too much work. I moved on.
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"Lord help em."

Lord help 'em if the punishment is reading your book.

A nigga would confess and do life before that shit. LOLOLOL!!
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"And I'm still waiting for your trick flat ass to stimulate my 4th grade intellect."


That's what's wrong you fucking drunk. ...waiting around instead of taking your lazy ass back to school. Don't look for my help, ig-nant nig.ger. I wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire.

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You've read the book, right, Tonyaddledbrain? Or are you relying on hearsay? No wonder you've been demoted on your job. It behooves you to think for yourself. If you can. heh-heh-heh.
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"You've read the book, right..."


Did a search under "garbage" and all I got was your bio. *Shrugs*

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Well, I told you the book wasn't for sale, Dummie. tsk-tsk. You're hopeless.
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Hopeless is an understatement. Toxic must have run out of material since she's resorted to using standard guy lines, maybe she referred to an insult directory. Gots to give her an e for effort though. She tried. Really hard.

Thanks for the laughs toxic. You're actually kind of funny.
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Gotta give a ho what she's used to.
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Guess ol Tonyaddledbrain is an expert on what ho's are used to. LMAO. Couldn't resist.
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You couldn't sell your books because as a writer you don't have what it takes. Who prints 200 books then decides "Selling [books] was not a priority in my life. Too much work. I moved on"?

...Failures aka LOSERS that's who.

(I could have resisted...I just chose not to. :-):-))
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Oooh Lord, Tonyaddlebrained. You're back to your fixation on my "book". yawn. Obviously your ol inert brain can't conceive of the idea that I realized, after testing the waters, I didn't have what it took to write a novel, so I moved on. I'm not afraid to admit that I tried and I failed. At my age, why expend any more energy on a losing cause. Only people like you do that. LMAO.
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She probably wrote the book as a legacy to her family you moron. This is day five of trying to explain simple shit to your dimwitted no brain no man gettin flat ass - but let me try once again. A few years ago I compiled my great-grandmothers recipe collection into book form - for my family and friends. I didn't sell those, I gave them away. You see, everyone's motivation in life isn't to sell things. Get it? Probably not since this is too broad a concept for your limited dickbrained comprehension. Gawd you're stooopid.

And btw, dingleberry, have you written or produced ANYTHING? EVER??? You fucking LOSER!!!


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"I tried and I failed and then I became postal Pete, I knew I couldn't win at anything; and NOW all I wish for in life is to see everyone end up like me, that's why I dump on people every chance I get"---postal Pete
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The book was really fun to write. I had just discovered all of the really cool features on a word processor and once I put my fingers on the keyboard, the story just kind of possessed me, and I had this tremendous sense of being omnipotent and omniscient because I was in total control of what my characters did and thought. So, actually, the fulfillment was in the journey, not the destination. My concise style of writing is to "tell" rather than "show" and this didn't lend itself well to novel writing. So much for that.
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Oh give a rest Tonyaddlebrained. Off the mark as usual. I was postal pete before I even wrote the book. And who have I dumped on without provocation? You sound like your ally a-woman whose also seems to be fixated on the idea that I want to be her. NOT. ROTFLOL.
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Your little excursion into psycho-babbo is so pitiful, Tonyaddlebrain. You and your crew are so fragile and insecure. All you want is to be stroked and humored. If somebody challenges you, you lose it because you can't believe that you are not infallible. You wimps need to develop some spine and a sense of humor. snort.
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Mzuri, having babies out-of-wedlock ain't shit. K?

Your nig.ger b*tch momma produced you...a Smirnoff addicted crank baby.

Produce a high school diploma dumb b*tch.
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And your niggaboo biitch ass momma and the garbageman produced a lunatic 50,000 cat havin, can't get no man, flat chested, flat assed ghetto hood rat.

Trust me, I'd rather be a high school drop out.

S-L-U-T


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Cynnique, enough already with the excuses.

You're turning this place into a funeral with your excuse making sob stories.

Take "personal responsibility" for your f*ck-ups...


...suck it up goddamn...


....and stop putting us the hell to sleep.
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Well, well, I go to lunch with my daugher-in-law and grand kiddies and I come back to discover that Tonyaddlebrained is doing what she does best; disconnecting with reality. "Sob stories", my ass. After boo-hooing about being "dumped" on and creating a cliched little scenario about why I am soooo cynical, she lapses into further denial and flames out. But - she has inspired me! I will continue to do what I do, and ol Tonyaddlebrian will just have to be exposed as the sad-sack dim-bulb that she is. And boy, does she make my mission easy. LMAO.
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Cynnique: "After boo-hooing about being "dumped" on..."

I'll let you say that because it’s clearly the only way you can live with yourself.

Cynnique: "...she has inspired me! I will continue to do what I do..."

Not trying to change you one bit. Just a lesson in introspection, that's all.
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And it was never my intention to persuade you into accepting some political stance. It's simply ironic that a person like you would resort to excuse making, sob stories, ect...that just had to be pointed out (LMAO!!).
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So, Tonya, you weren't lamenting about me dumping on folks, huh? And I can't believe you think I should feel some kind of guilt for dishing out what I take. But then that's typical of how your mind works. You label my post a "sob" story and then imply that I should be repentent. And if your giving lessons in introspection, you're a poor teacher. You lack self-awareness, apparently believing yourself to be a paragon of virtue. But you're not. And that's fine with me. Just I'm going to keep on doing with I do, I have no problem if you keep on doing what you do.
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I wonder what a bithc with no ass sits on
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...Your nig.ger b*tch momma's grave….....to shit.
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This "sob story" and "making excuses" bit is taking the cake. Why was I sobbing????? Because Tonyaddledbrain and her cohorts are insescure and fragile and delusional in regard to being infallible? What was I making excuses about???? Cuz they're wimps who need stroking and have no spines or senses of humor???? I'm mystified. Tonya reads things into my posts that aren't there. I need some emoticons like Mzuri to indicate how amused I am by all of this. I guess she ignores how I end everything with a snicker, a snort, an ROTFLOL, or a LMAO. :-)
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Cyn - You can have all my emoticons . . . for a price

la toxic - STFU
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LOL
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"Because Tonyaddledbrain and her cohorts are insescure and fragile and delusional in regard to being infallible? Cuz they're wimps who need stroking and have no spines or"

Actually it's the audacity of some folk that aren't good enough to chauffer me around or carry my bags let alone call me on my 'infallibility' that I object to. It's absurd. But then we’ve come full circle and I’m about tired of this thread.
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Baglady up in here talking about somebody chauffeuring her monkey ass around and she can't even spell it. You got nerves girlie, I'll give you that.

Yay! We done wore this bithc down, Cyn!!!


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LMAO. There may be a paltry few mopes somewhere who aren't good enough to chauffeur you around or carry your bags, but who ever they are they sure don't frequent this board. But keep on trying to convince yourself that you are perfect, and that you can't ever be disputed. Just don't whine about being dumped on when your fallibility continues to be glaringly exposed on a regular basis. Buh-bye.
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Chauffer can be spelled either way you fucking dickhead.

See why I keep bringing up your lack of education???

And don't even try it. "Baglady" is the name I christened you with, for good reason.

You could NEVER get close enough to carry my bags, baglady. Get over it.

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...That was to the dumb ass high school drop out: Mzuri.
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"...who ever they are they sure don't frequent this board."

Cynnique, what other board member is a part of this discussion, besides "my cohorts" who I was also speaking for (hope they don't mind :-)) in my June 26, 2007 - 09:10 post????

Nice try but no cigar.
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It can be spelled differently, but the words have two separate definitions.

Chauffeur means:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/chauffeur

And what you claim to be an "alternate" spelling means something different:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/chauffer

School's out dingaling. Nice try but you'll NEVER be even half as smart as MZURI!!!

LOLOLOLOL!!!!


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And BTW, just so you know, the main reason that I quit going to school is because I found it to be boring. High school didn't stimulate my intellect - just like your boring ass sitting up there cussing me out and telling me how dumb I am but you failed to do your research.

BORING!!!

BEOTCH!!!


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Thanks dickhead but like I said, it can be and is often spelled the other way:
(And I don't give a f*ck why you dropped out of school b*tch. Stop talking to me you fucking idiot.)

Chauffeur


Chauffeur is the French word for driver. It comes from the verb "chauffer" (to heat) and also means "he who heats". Early steam-powered cars required the driver to keep the engine hot, and the French term for stoker was adapted from steam railroads and ships.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chauffeur

Stoker


n
1. tender of furnace: somebody whose job it is to add fuel to and tend a furnace or boiler, for example, on a steamship
2. device feeding furnace: a mechanical device for adding fuel to a furnace

Chauffer


n. 1. (Chem.) A table stove or small furnace, usually a cylindrical box of sheet iron, with a grate at the bottom, and an open top.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Chauffer



http://www.penktaxi.co.uk/taxi-insurance/limousine--chauffer-hire


http://charlotte.citysearch.com/profile/44978642/charlotte_nc/all_city_chauffer_ transportation.html


http://fallbackbelmont.blogspot.com/2007/06/chauffer-in-every-garage.html


http://www.tmz.com/2007/06/08/paris-handcuffed-and-tossed-into-cruiser/


http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=30617


http://www.journalnow.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=WSJ%2FMGArticle%2FWSJ_Colum nistArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1173351624156&path=!localnews&s=1037645509099
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Yet again you have proved how out of touch you are, Tonyaddledbrain, actually believing that nobody is fit to chauffeur you or carry your bags. You couldn't possibly think that you are something special the way you have your ass handed to you by everybody on this board. That's as silly as your inane remark about Mzuri not being able to get close enough to you to carry your bags. Why is that? Because, even if she wanted to, she'd be repelled by your smell?? LMAO. Then you have to keep patting yourself on the back in an effort to convey the idea that you scored something other than a goose egg. Puleeze. And the final testament to your vapidness is that you actually believe a person has to have a HS diploma to be intelligent. I guess you're embarassed that a high school drop out and a postal worker not only give you a run for your money but also leave you in last place. snort
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Whatever granny. I'll let you spend your last days thinking whatever you like. I don't respect you but you're human and you're at that point in life where it's best to just let some things slide. :-)

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OK, Tonyaddlebrain, your respect is obviously not something I've ever sought, so while you're letting things slide, try not to slip up, yourself. :-)
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Here we are on day six.

Good grief la toxic - obviously the two words have the same root origin, any dope could see that.

But I'm referring to current modern usage, how the word is used and spelled today, not how it was used back in 1800's Europe.

You misspelled the word and it wasn't a typo. It was because of your lack of intelligence and your limited vocabuberry.

Most wikis aren't reliable sources of information and you searching out and posting links to the incorrect spelling is beyond lame - it just demonstrates that there's other dummies on the internet who can't spell either. And it's very telling of how desperately determined you are to be right. But you're wrong.

Just admit (to your own self even) that you can't spell or comprehend the definition of those large and seemingly complex multi-syllable sophisticated sounding words that you throw around whilst casting your nonsensical insults.

And just so you know, it's really not that big a deal that you don't have the mental capacity to challenge me. Honest. You see, my intelligence level is above average and you're just plain mediocre. I'm actually starting to feel kind of sorry for you because you really are pathetic. And I'm not even trying to insult you now just keeping it real. You kind of remind me of the hunchback of Notre Dame.

With cats.



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Pissuri: Yay! We done wore this bithc down, Cyn!!!

Do these two old ass mummies REALLY think that "ganging up"(ha) on a poster and TRYING (HA!) to wear one down is some sort of an accomplishment to be celebrated? The two of them stick together like two old turds--the older they get the more they stink up the room! And the more you open the door for them the more the foul odor permeates the room! OR
Like two, old, rotten, fermented pieces of meat, only fit for flies to procreate their little maggots on. The only difference is rotten meat and turds know thier purpose and don't try to fashion themselves as wonderful cyinics (ha!) or super intelligent high school dropouts, who grace us with thier presence to demonstrate how "vapid" the rest of us are and how simply marvelous the pearls of shitdom they choose to enlighten us truly are. Why, they spent SIX WHOLE DAYS to prove ONE SIMPLE POINT. WOW. How can the rest of us even exist in the presence of such BRILLIANCE(HAH!)? The two of their astounding intellects put together is positively Mystifying!! Isn't it? LOFL! and ROTFLMBAO at BOTH of them! Talk about inability to detach! GOOD GRIEF! HAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!
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Yes, A-Hole, that's how it is. We wear you chickenheads down til you crawl your weak slimy asses back under your rocks. And you got a nerve talking about us ganging up on someone, you all do it to us all the fucking time. W-E-N-C-H.


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Pissuri: We wear you chickenheads down til you crawl your weak slimy asses back under your rocks

CHICKENHEADS??? hahahahaha! But NO ONE uses that term any longer, love. You're much too OUTDATED. If you're going to ATTEMPT to use the jargon of the young and hip you really MUST brush up on your hip hop vocabulary. Please allow me to suggest a marvelous read to that end, dear. "STREET TALK" by Randy "MO BETTA" Kearse. This book will really aid you in your quest to sound more modern, young, hip, and up to date in your weak ass flames! HAHAHAHAHHAHA!
Sure Pissuri...sure...bravo! such brilliance once again! HAHAHAHHAHA! Now excuse me won't you? I must DETACH from your dizzy(ing) logic!

DETACH perhaps you could do a search on the meaning of THAT word? Maybe then you will be able to put it into practice more often! BYE NOW! SEE you next time I take a break from REAL LIFE to post on Thumper's Corner! HAHAHHAHAHAAHA!
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Oh really. Do you know the exact date that chickenhead stopped being used? Did I spell it right? Do you know what it means? And BTW, posting to a discussion forum doesn't remove you from REAL LIFE. Ass-Hole.


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Wooooo. a-woman to the rescue. Not! She couldn't come to the aid of her girl Tonya earlier cuz she has nothing to contribute but the same ol same ol of about age and high school drop out and working at the post office and references to some book I wrote 5 years ago, all interdispersed in a meaningless diatribe of empty words. Personally, I couldn't care less about wearing anybody down. All I do is parse the nonsense resorted to by those who attempt to rebut what I say. yawn.
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Mzuri: "But I'm referring to current modern usage, how the word is used and spelled today, not how it was used back in 1800's Europe."

Try to backtrack all you want. You said it was spelled wrong, well, it's not.

And the links I posted are from the UK where the word is also spelled like so TODAY. But that's too much information for you so it's BORING. Hey, even if it's true, what jackass uses "boring" as an excuse for dropping out of school, and then say the shit OUT LOUD as if it's intelligent????? (Dumb ass b*tch)

That’s why I’m not surprised that you find most of the posters on this forum BORING. *Rollingeyes* Do yourself a favor. Go join a forum that isn’t so boring. Try goodenoughdiplomahavingdummiesrus.com.
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Some of the links from the US too.
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la toxic - do you realize that we don't speak U.K. here in the U.S.A., we speak American English

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/american

The standard American English spelling for chauffeur is chauffeur, but you can't afford to catch the METRO so it doesn't make any difference anyway. I mean, it's not like you'd be looking that up in the yellow pages, right? But keep dreaming. Perhaps someday you can afford a real chauffeur - in a limousine - that's a limo for you nonspelling dumbfucks. And I already participate in other forums, this one doesn't move fast enough for me, nor does it contain the type of information or mental stimulation that I require, but thx for the advice. School was boring because I was beyond it. Get it? Probably not. Fucktarded losers like you don't know how to think outside the box.

N_W G _ F _ C K Y _ _ R S _ L F!!!

Would you like to buy a vowel???


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"You see, my intelligence level is above average..."

You don’t believe that for one minute. You believe in your heart that you’re stupid. And THAT’S why you’re fummmming.

It's pitiful, but that’s what you get you evil b*tch.
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"The standard American English spelling for chauffeur is chauffeur..."

The standard spelling for "color" in the US is "color". But is "colour" spelled the wrong way? What about "Labour", that's not standard either.

Just because you don't read any foreign literature DUMB ASS (oh god you're so stupid) doesn't mean it's spelled the wrong way.
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Mzuri
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Posted on Wednesday, June 27, 2007 - 07:08 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)


Now you're going to tell me what I believe? Give me a break. And no la toxic, I'm not fuming at all. I think your flat ass is funny. Quite hilarious actually the way that you would aimlessly try to defend yourself even when you've been proven wrong and you don't have shit to support you, but yet you have no shame in posting some lame assed links to other stupid people's errors just to keep from being wrong. The only problem with all of that is that two wrongs don't make a right.

What's that you say? You'd like to buy an O. Oh. Okay. Here you go. Here's an O for your ass.



LOLOLOLOL!

So anyway, I really am bored now (how many times can you argue with a dumb bithc who is not capable of spelling) and so therefore I shall be moving along. Got to get ready for a very important business meeting anyway.

Toodles. That's U.K. English speak for buh bye!!!

Try to get along without me.






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Posted on Wednesday, June 27, 2007 - 07:42 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Oh, that's intelligent. Resort to glossy pictures and funny little pre-school drawings. ...Just foolish and plain old fucking ignorant.

Look, you asked to be enlightened and that's what I did. But when I told you what any 4th grader would know (I swear to god, my little nephew knows this shit) you wanna pull out the infantile photos and shit. Sad, b*tch.
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Posted on Thursday, June 28, 2007 - 12:45 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Puleeze. As if the "intelligent" kola boof didn't set a precedent when it comes to posting graphics on this board. At least Mzuri didn't subject the board to a gallery of boring pictures of herself the way the "intelligent" kola did.
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Posted on Thursday, June 28, 2007 - 03:51 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

And when Kola posted pix that even remotely suggestion doing physical harm to a poster, YOu and your "buddy" were the first to run screaming to Troy about threats to your life. If that cartoon drawing of a person STABBING another person to DEATH isn't a sick ass threat I don't know what is. If Kola had posted something like that YOU would've been hollering to Troy (again!) for her to be banned! STUPID HYPOCRITE!!! PUHLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZE!
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Posted on Thursday, June 28, 2007 - 04:59 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

You're a lying little weasel, b-woman. I have never run to Troy about any lewd pictures posted on this board or never been silly enough to think my life was endangered. I can take anything you wimps dispense. So take your shit and stuff it back up your ass.
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Posted on Thursday, June 28, 2007 - 05:14 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)


A-Hole - Where the fukc do you think I got that gif from? Kola posted it. Duh. And no, I personally don't go crying to Troy about any threats to my life on this forum. If my memory serves, I've contacted him twice regarding this forum and that was when Kola Spoof posted defamatory lies against me. Now, if you'd like to believe I threatened toxic (when I don't have a clue where the bithc lives anyway and honestly don't give a fukc) why don't you report this shit to the FBI, you lamebrained nitwit.


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Posted on Thursday, June 28, 2007 - 05:15 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Senique:So take your shit and stuff it up your ass...

A_womon: Only if you bite my ass once I do! HAHHAHAHA!! You never run to Troy??? RIIIIIIIIIIIIGGGGGGGGGGGGT!!!

YOU'RE THE LIAR. You always complain about Kola lying but you have been lying since you hit this board. So you're STILL a HYPOCRITE! And an even worse one than anyone because you would think at your age you would have learned not to play these silly childish games of one-upmanship and name calling.

Don't get me wrong...despite what you and Pissuri think I NEVER get tired of giving you back EXACTLY what you give me. And as far as either of you EVER wearing me down--that's a celebration you'll NEVER have. Because as I've told you over and over you're both LAUGHABLE and your posts have ZERO affect on me. But you two DO provide me with a hell of a lot of COMIC RELIEF because you think your post ARE the shit! But they only SMELL like shit! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

YOU TWO HAVE ZERO affect on me. I post responses to your lame ass mess when I CHOOSE and I IGNORE you when I choose. You know why??? Because you're just NAMELESS, FACELESS, WORDS ON A BOARD! NOTHING MORE! YOU CAN'T Affect my World unless I CHOOSE to allow it. For a brief interlude in the MAKE BELEIVE WORLD OF THUMPERS CORNER. GET IT?



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Posted on Thursday, June 28, 2007 - 05:26 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

PISSURI SENIQUE Here's a NOVEL (HA!) Idea for you....D.E.T.A.C.H.CHA! HAHAHHAHHA!

PISSURI. YOU DID RUN TO TROY crying about Kola making threats and your address being out in cyberspace for her to get..WAH! WAH! WAH! LIZARD LOT WIZARD! HAHAHHAHAHHAHA! NOW take notes because I'm now going to leave your STANK ASS HANGING! So post till you fall out and eat some of the birdshit droppings you leave on this board!!!!! HAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHA! Buh BYE You Trolls of Cyber SPace. Until NEXT TIME! HAHAHAHA!
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Posted on Thursday, June 28, 2007 - 05:38 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)



No. I did NOT run to Troy. I posted about it on the forum which is why you're privy to that conversation. That man does not have time to hear about all the little bullshit drama that goes on here, but on that particular post, he was active on the forum during that time frame. And no, my address is not in cyberspace, I had conducted a transaction with him on some other business, and Kola threatened me that she would get my information from him because he was her brother (yet another Kola lie).

Now eat shit and die you monkey bithc.





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Cynique
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Posted on Thursday, June 28, 2007 - 05:38 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ol hyper b-woman just keeps floudering around trying to find something to latch on to so she can go into her verbal pyro-mania. She's so desperate to diss that she has to resort to fabrication. She claims she just drops in on the board from time to time because she has a life away from it. Yeah right. She never stops skulking around looking for openings. She needs somebody to toss her salad so her frustration can be relieved. heh-heh. Now it time for the same ol litany about ooooold Cynique coming to this board everyday because she has no life and she's bitter because she didn't write a best-seller. blah, blah, blah, yada, yada, yada. Yawwwwwwwwn. Gotta go. My son's here to take me grocery shoppping cuz my car's in the shop. And when I get back I'm going to do what I do best: Read a good biography.
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Posted on Thursday, June 28, 2007 - 05:51 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Before I go, I'd like to see the post where I expressed fear for my life. b-woman. You must spend every free moment trolling the archives looking for information that you can distort for you own purposes. BTW, I wasn't aware that there was an age-limit when it came to one-ups-manship. And I KNOW YOU with your playground mentality aren't trying to call anybody out about engaging in name calling. Puleeze. Yes, I call kola boof a liar. Because it's been proven that she is one. Get it?
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Posted on Thursday, June 28, 2007 - 06:18 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Disenchanted: her obsession with your book! you mean like your obsession with Kola! LMAO! at least kola's a gifted writer with guts Cynique but what are you but an old evil witch with athlete's foot and bags of mail you forgot to deliver? you act like your so darn smart but that book showed what a no-talented stupid lady you are then add your kola paranoia You and Mizurible are like a case of meesles and mumps zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Schakspir: What would an illiterate asshole like you know about good writing??

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