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Former Vice President Al Gore speaks with Gwen Ifill about his new book, "The Assault on Reason," which criticizes the Bush administration and the diminishing role of logic in America, among other issues. Click RealAudio To Listen:
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/entertainment/jan-june07/gore_05-30.html
GWEN IFILL: Mr. Vice President, welcome.
AL GORE, former vice president of the United States: Thank you.
GWEN IFILL: The book reads as a screed. It's an attack on media, on politics, and mostly against George W. Bush. Is that what you intended?
AL GORE: Well, the examples that are taken from the Bush-Cheney administration are alongside examples taken from other parts of American history, also. It's heavy on examples from the last six years, because I think they make the case very well.
But the book is really not about Bush and Cheney; it's about what has happened to our democracy. I'm deeply concerned that the role of reason, and facts, and logic in the way we make our decisions in America has been diminished significantly, to the point where we could make a decision to invade a country that didn't attack us, at a time when 70 percent of the American people genuinely had the impression and belief that Saddam Hussein was responsible for the attacks of 9/11.
In the same way that the truth about 9/11 was ignored in the rush to war, the truth about the climate crisis has been ignored in the shaping of policies that basically do nothing to stop the most serious crisis our civilization has ever faced. And there is a long list of serious policy mistakes that our country has been making in the last several years that are added to the war and the climate crisis and these others.
GWEN IFILL: So when you say that this is about cracks in fundamental democracy and not just about Bush and Cheney, does that mean that, if you had been president, these same problems would have existed?
AL GORE: I think many of them -- well, I would have made different mistakes if I had served as president, and I like to think that I would have avoided some of the large ones that our country is suffering through now, having 150,000 of our soldiers trapped in the middle of a civil war, for example, and being an outlier and almost an outcast in the global community, when the rest of the world is trying to confront the climate crisis.
But some of the same problems with the way Americans -- the way we Americans communicate among ourselves, they have no tether to which party is in control or which person is president of the United States. How we deal with them, I think, can be affected by leadership, but the problems outlined in this book and the solutions recommended really go much broader than who's president or which party controls Congress. This is a much deeper set of challenges that we have to address together as Americans.
Outsourcing the truth
GWEN IFILL: You write of a "determined disinterest" in learning the truth, on the part of the Bush administration on pre-war intelligence. You accuse the White House of an "unprecedented and sustained campaign of mass deception," very strong words. And you say that President Bush "outsourced the truth." Are you suggesting that President Bush deliberately misled the American people when it comes to the Iraq war?
AL GORE: Well, there was certainly a coordinated effort in the White House and in the Department of Defense simultaneously to convey the image of a mushroom cloud exploding over an American city and to link it to a specific scenario, the very strong and explicit implication that Saddam Hussein was going to develop nuclear weapons and give them to Osama bin Laden, and that would result in nuclear explosions in American cities.
This was the principal hot-button justification for convincing the majority of people to support the invasion of Iraq, and they selected weapons of mass destruction and the themes related to that, not because they had the evidence to justify it, but because it was the most effective way to manipulate opinion.
GWEN IFILL: Manipulating opinion, outsourcing the truth, why don't you just go ahead and call it a lie?
AL GORE: Well, I think it's more subtle than that. I think that, when someone conveys false impressions, and when it is done so in such an artful way, the phenomena itself is part of what should be changed.
For example, in both political parties, 80 percent of the budgets in contested races last November were devoted to 30-second television commercials, and the impressionistic approach is also part of the problem, in my view, because now the conversation is not really a two-way or a multi-way conversation. The vast majority of the information flow is over television -- that's still the dominant medium -- and it's a one-way flow.
Impeaching the president?
GWEN IFILL: But I want to bring you back just for another moment to your indictment of the Bush administration.
AL GORE: Yes.
GWEN IFILL: You say they are either too gullible or dishonest. Which do you think it was?
AL GORE: Well, I don't know, but they should speak for themselves, and I hope they'll answer that question. If they genuinely believed that Saddam Hussein was responsible for 9/11, then that's a degree of gullibility that's quite serious. And although President Bush has since tried to specifically distance himself from that argument, Vice President Cheney still has not, so maybe there's a split within the administration.
GWEN IFILL: You've been a leader. You served in Bill Clinton's administration as vice president. You watched as the Republican Congress impeached him. Do you think that the Democratic-led Congress right now should be making efforts to impeach George W. Bush?
AL GORE: I haven't made that case. You know, I think that, with...
GWEN IFILL: Why not?
AL GORE: Well, with a year and a half to go in his term and with no consensus in the nation as a whole to support such a proposition, any realistic analysis of that as a policy option would lead one to question the allocation of time and resources.
GWEN IFILL: You don't think it's a good use of time?
AL GORE: Well, I don't think it is. I don't think it would be likely to be successful.
'Politics is completely broken'
GWEN IFILL: Continuing to look forward a little bit, we're in the middle of already a big, vibrant race for 2008. If you were approached -- and I imagine you have been by different people running for president -- about the issues you raise in your book, what advice would you give them or do you give them about finding a way to make the issues you raise front and center?
AL GORE: Well, I haven't thought about how to apply these as a candidate. I'm not a candidate, have no plans to be a candidate.
GWEN IFILL: So you say.
AL GORE: So I say.
I've avoided being repetitious so far. But I do think that the new forms of political dialogue and organization, the new forms of multi-way conversation that are emerging on the Internet represent a real source of hope.
GWEN IFILL: Is that realistic? You've lived this. Do you really think it's possible to get past this notion of what conventional politics is to some broader, more uplifting idea, based on reason, rather than politics, pure politics?
AL GORE: Well, first of all, all of us, as the book says, are a mixture of our reasoning capacity and our deep feelings and emotions and instincts, obviously. But the relative role of reason in American political discourse has declined dramatically.
I think that it can be restored to a more prominent place, and I'm hopeful and optimistic that it will be. Is it right now realistic to think that a candidate might be able to do that? I think it's possible; I think it's possible. We may not quite be there yet, but I do think it can be restored. I really do.
Conventional politics is completely broken, Gwen. Everybody knows it, in both parties. And, you know, those who are candidates obviously are not going to acknowledge that, and they're in it to win, and God bless them, and may the best person win. But winning in a game that rewards as much superficiality and impressionistic manipulation as this current state of politics requires, you know, that is damaging to our country. It really is.
GWEN IFILL: You sound like a reformed politician.
AL GORE: A recovering politician.
GWEN IFILL: A recovering politician, as you say. But here's the question: How late can someone still get into the 2008 race and be a viable candidate, do you think?
AL GORE: I don't know.
GWEN IFILL: You don't know? You haven't thought about that at all?
AL GORE: No, I haven't.
GWEN IFILL: OK, I'll take your word on that.
AL GORE: OK.
GWEN IFILL: Let me ask you one more question.
AL GORE: I think that some period before November of '08, but I haven't looked at the calendars and the dates and so forth.
Supreme court ruling in 2000
GWEN IFILL: Let me ask you one final question, which is, as you were putting this book together and assembling your thoughts about what you see as a broad-based collapse in a lot of the way we think and reason in our society, did you ever think to yourself, based specifically on the indictment that you make against the Bush administration, that perhaps you conceded too soon in 2000?
AL GORE: Well, there was -- I took it all the way to a final Supreme Court decision. And in our system, there is no intermediate step between a final Supreme Court decision and violent revolution.
So, at that point, having taken it as far as one could, then the question becomes, are we going to be a nation of laws and not people? Do I support the rule of law, even though I disagree with the Supreme Court's decision? I did disagree with it, and I think that those of us who disagreed with it will have the better of the argument in history.
GWEN IFILL: The name of the book is "The Assault on Reason." Thank you, Vice President Al Gore, very much for telling us about it.
AL GORE: Thank you.
A Message from Al Gore to Amazon.com Readers
I've dedicated my book, The Assault on Reason, to my father, Senator Albert Gore Sr., the bravest politician I've ever known. In the 1970 mid-term elections, President Richard Nixon relied on a campaign of fear to consolidate his power. I was in the military at the time, on my way to Vietnam as an army journalist, and I watched as my father was accused of being unpatriotic because he was steadfast in his opposition to the War--and as he was labeled an atheist because he dared to oppose a constitutional amendment to foster government-sponsored prayer in the public schools. The 1970 campaign is now regarded by political historians as a watershed, marking a sharp decline in the tone of our national discourse--a decline that has only worsened in recent years as fear has become a more powerful political tool than trust, public consumption of entertainment has dramatically surpassed that of serious news, and blind faith has proven more potent than truth.
We are at a pivotal moment in American democracy. The persistent and sustained reliance on falsehoods as the basis of policy, even in the face of evidence to the contrary, has reached levels that were previously unimaginable. It's too easy and too partisan to simply place the blame on the policies of President George W. Bush. We are all responsible for the decisions our country makes.
Reasoned, focused discourse is vital to our democracy to ensure a well-informed citizenry. But this is difficult in an environment in which we are experiencing a new pattern of serial obsessions that periodically take over the airwaves for weeks at a time--from the O.J. Simpson and Michael Jackson trials to Paris Hilton and Anna Nicole Smith.
Never has it been more vital for us to face the reality of our long-term challenges, from the climate crisis to the war in Iraq to the deficits and health and social welfare. Today, reason is under assault by forces using sophisticated techniques such as propaganda, psychology, and electronic mass media. Yet, democracy's advocates are beginning to use their own sophisticated techniques: the Internet, online organizing, blogs, and wikis. Although the challenges we face are great, I am more confident than ever before that democracy will prevail and that the American people are rising to the challenge of reinvigorating self-government. It is my great hope that those who read my book will choose to become part of a new movement to rekindle the true spirit of America.
Questions for Al Gore
Amazon.com: Of all I've read and seen on climate change, I don't think anything has had quite the impact on me that those vivid maps of shrinking coastlines did in An Inconvenient Truth. You've spent years trying to communicate the threat of climate change and you've learned how to use compelling images to tell that story, but in this book you're very wary of the power of visual images to overwhelm reason with fear. How do you spur people to action in a crisis like this without using fear?
Gore: I often open the slideshow by talking about the "climate crisis." The English meaning of the word "crisis" conveys alarm, but the Chinese and Japanese expressions use two characters together: the first means danger, but the second means opportunity. The animations do help to convey some of that sense of danger--but the opportunities are enormous. We are beginning to see companies taking advantage of the new markets that are emerging as they innovate and put to market the technologies that we need to solve this crisis. Some have become ubiquitous, like the hybrid electric engine and compact fluorescent light bulb. There are thousands of opportunities like this all around us if governments will show the type of bold leadership that we need--and work with industry to exploit these opportunities.
Amazon.com: You describe two problems with television culture: it's a top-down system in which, as you say, "Individuals receive, but they cannot send," and its physiological vividness allows it to bypass our reason. The user-created communities that seem so promising on the Internet would seem to solve the first problem, but what about the second?
Gore: There are a number of barriers for individuals who want to communicate over TV. The major networks won't give average Americans a voice, and it is virtually impossible to start a channel. One solution, that I have worked on with my partner, Joel Hyatt, is the creation of Current TV, where viewers can submit content over the Internet to air on the channel.
With regards to the Internet, anyone with access to a computer and broadband can create a website or blog and post content. They can send information into the public forum. Of course, we need to continue to work to bridge the digital divide, to ensure that we expand the access of people to the Internet, but the threshold for entry is much lower than that of television.
Amazon.com: You're the chairman of Current TV, the interactive cable channel aimed at young people. Can you talk about the challenges of constructing a platform where the kind of substantive dialogue you are looking for can take place?
Gore: One of the things I talk about in the book is infotainment--the "well-amused" audience that is bombarded with the latest programming about O.J. Simpson, or JonBenet Ramsey, or Anna Nicole Smith. What we are trying to do, in part, is to provide a public forum for viewers to submit content about issues of concern to them. And they have, by the thousands, on issues from the war in Iraq to the environment to education and others. I am continually amazed by both the quality of the submissions and the breadth and depth of the subject matter.
Amazon.com: You have a chapter on the importance of checks and balances in government (in a sense, that's what the whole book is about), and we're seeing the effect that active oversight from Congress is having right now. For most of your eight years in office, you and Bill Clinton had to work with a Republican Congress. I'm sure that at times (say, 1998) that had its frustrations, but do you think it was valuable to have that balance, or did it prevent you from doing what you came into office to do?
Gore: Checks and balances are vital to the functioning of our system of government. Of course it can have its frustrations, but the Founders intended that we have a system whereby no one branch has too much control over the others. Ultimately, it is up to voters to decide the control of Congress and the White House and then for elected officials to work to serve the public interest and to try to implement policies that serve the country. These are core values that are at the heart of who we are as a nation.
Amazon.com: I wanted to ask about the Office of the Vice President. I think it's safe to say that the last two vice presidents, you and Dick Cheney, have been the most powerful and influential in our history. Why do you think that is?
Gore: I think the answer is very different in the two administrations, but in a world that is truly globalized, with a broader information ecology, with challenges ranging from a more complex system of international issues ranging from the climate crisis to asymmetric attacks, it is not a surprise that a President might choose to draw upon more advice from the office of the vice president than in the past. This is a trend that I would expect to continue under future presidents, as the range of the demands on the presidency will not diminish over time.
Book Description
A visionary analysis of how the politics of fear, secrecy, cronyism, and blind faith has combined with the degradation of the public sphere to create an environment dangerously hostile to reason
At the time George W. Bush ordered American forces to invade Iraq, 70 percent of Americans believed Saddam Hussein was linked to 9/11. Voters in Ohio, when asked by pollsters to list what stuck in their minds about the campaign, most frequently named two Bush television ads that played to fears of terrorism.
We live in an age when the thirty-second television spot is the most powerful force shaping the electorate's thinking, and America is in the hands of an administration less interested than any previous administration in sharing the truth with the citizenry. Related to this and of even greater concern is this administration's disinterest in the process by which the truth is ascertained, the tenets of fact-based reasoning-first among them an embrace of open inquiry in which unexpected and even inconvenient facts can lead to unexpected conclusions.
How did we get here? How much damage has been done to the functioning of our democracy and its role as steward of our security? Never has there been a worse time for us to lose the capacity to face the reality of our long-term challenges, from national security to the economy, from issues of health and social welfare to the environment. As The Assault on Reason shows us, we have precious little time to waste.
Gore's larger goal in this book is to explain how the public sphere itself has evolved into a place hospitable to reason's enemies, to make us more aware of the forces at work on our own minds, and to lead us to an understanding of what we can do, individually and collectively, to restore the rule of reason and safeguard our future. Drawing on a life's work in politics as well as on the work of experts across a broad range of disciplines, Al Gore has written a farsighted and powerful manifesto for clear thinking.
Product Details
Hardcover: 320 pages
Publisher: Penguin Press HC, The (May 22, 2007) |
Tonya
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I am LOVING his cogent assault on television, the media, and our culture. I could NOT agree more! ...I ordered his book TODAY for that reason!
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Chrishayden
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I wonder does his book go into his cowardice when the 2000 election was stolen from him and his gutless desertion of the black voters who attempted to put him into office.
I regret his getting robbed less and less as he opens his mouth more and more. |
Cynique
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If Gore decides to run for president, how far does he think he'll get without the media spin and the gullible American public? Hopefully, he'll remain an elder statesman, - a person who can speak freely without being beholden to anyone. |
Tonya
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"If Gore decides to run for president, how far does he think he'll get without the media spin and the gullible American public?"
LOL, you've got to be kidding. We (The American Public) are DEFINITELY dumb enuff for him--if he so chooses--to have his cake and eat it too, and he knows this. ...9 to 10 he's not as stupid.
And the media, desperate for a winner, will just keep on spinnin. 
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Cynique
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The media is desperate for a winner?? What does that mean?? The media has no vested interest in who wins the presidency. And how will Gore get off not looking like a hypcrite for not practicing what he preaches in conducting a campaign for the presidency??? |
Tonya
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The media OWNS the presidency (6 or 7 niggers: GE, TimeWarner, Walt Disney, Viacom, Vivedi Universal, ect.). And Gore can’t end up looking like a hypocrite over something the average American ain’t gonna read...excerpts of which the media is gonna spin the moment they fall off a republican lip.
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Cynique
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Come on, the media is all forms of communication and it doesn't own George Bush. He does as he damn well pleases, especially when it comes to a war that all of the media with the exeception of Fox news oppposes at this point. The media will suck up to a president if it's to its advantage, and a president will court the media but they are not automatically in bed together. And Gore's opponents will be the ones who would bring his hypocrisy to the attention of the electorate with a few well placed sound bytes. |
Tonya
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"Come on, the media is all forms of communication and it doesn't own George Bush. He does as he damn well pleases..."
LOLOLOLOL, cute! |
Tonya
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"...especially when it comes to a war that all of the media with the exeception of Fox news oppposes at this point."
Yeah that's hilarious too. Too bad it won't last past September. Boy, what the Dems (aka the media) won't do just to put on one helluva a show, aye...? LOL! |
Cynique
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What is your definition of media?? This term refers to Radio, TV, the Press and to some extent film, all of which are outlets through which the country receives its news and entertainment. |
Tonya
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Babe, when you break it all down, Viacom, Disney, TimeWarner and co own all of that too...and what they don't own is irrelevant!--as in powerless!
You know that! |
Cynique
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These companies are just arms of white corporate America, and they don't wield any more power than any of the other major industries of this country when it comes to politics. Having said that, I don't know what your point is. What I am saying is that politics and the media have a love/hate relationship with a tradition wherein the white house doesn't run the media anymore than the media runs the white house, but they do use each other. I'm also of the opinion that Al Gore will have to play the game in order to wage an effective campaign and he might have to compromise his noble principles in doing so. |
Tonya
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"These companies are just arms of white corporate America, and they don't wield any more power than any of the other major industries of this country when it comes to politics."
I wouldn’t consider GE just arms of anything since it's one of this country's top powerhouses. And Warner & Disney Et al are partners with almost everybody. But most importantly, when you control what people think, you control what they buy....Hence, you ARE white corporate America.
"...I don't know what your point is.
What I am saying is that politics and the media have a love/hate relationship with a tradition wherein the white house doesn't run the media anymore than the media runs the white house, but they do use each other."
Politics is an illusion to make you think you’re in control of things. There is no Dem. There are no Republicans. There is no white House. It's all an elaborate set up by the handful of folks who run everything....including the media.
"I'm also of the opinion that Al Gore will have to play the game in order to wage an effective campaign and he might have to compromise his noble principles in doing so."
You said that already. I didn't comment because I don't disagree with the former and your viewing him "an elder statesman" with "noble principles" is your right as a citizen of the "gullible America public". What do I care?
BTW: "And Gore's opponents will be the ones who would bring his hypocrisy to the attention of the electorate with a few well placed sound bytes."
Don't matter. They'll spin the lips off any candidate who threatens who they envision as they're winner...(e.g. Dean)...or make them nearly or completely invisible: John Edwards, Mike Gravel, Dennis Kucinich, Ron Paul: on the right.
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Cynique
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Well, I assume you won't be voting in the next election since I'm sure you don't want to be party to an illusion. Illusions are relative. Some people think theye've got it all figured out and they are among the few who know the score and everbody else is bamboozled. So I'll add my version of "being in the know" by saying this invisible ubiquitous "they" who people have been smugly referring to for years is an illusion, too. That's why this country is spiralling out of control. |
Tonya
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"Well, I assume you won't be voting in the next election since I'm sure you don't want to be party to an illusion."
Who said I don't benefit from this illusion...?
"That's why this country is spiralling out of control."
Right, Right.
...Who said I don't benefit from this illusion...?
And "they" are the corporations (corporate sponsors) and media conglomerates...the media conglomerates and corporations are the media. |
Chrishayden
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Tonya:
You are 21st Century.
Others are soooooo 20th Century.
When the Berlin Wall came down and the Soviet Union came apart and Communism was utterly repudiated The Complex took off the gloves.
All this stuff they talk ALL of it is bullcrap, it is doing what it wants and it don't give a damn what we think because we ain't got no place else to go.
Check it out--in 2000 and 2002 and 2004 they showed that the whole so called electoral process is a joke.
That all blew up in their faces--if everything had turned out in the Middle East like they had planned they would have rolled us back to 1066 or something.
Now they gotta make like there is really something to it and they don't just put in who they want so they are funding this circus we currently see in the so called Presidential race.
It is all a joke. It don't matter who has the most delegates when they go to their conventions next year because THE DELEGATES CAN VOTE FOR ANYBODY THEY WANT TO.
Unless somebody really pulls a rabbit out of their hat look for some horsetrading that will make everybody sick.
The Northeast (Clinton, Giuliani and Romney) the Midwest (Obama and Brownback) the Southeast (Edwards and Thompson) and the Southwest (Richards and McCain) of both parties are making a bid. The Big Boyz own them all. Whoever wins they can't lose.
And so it goes. |
Cynique
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Yawn. chrishayden's scenario is as about 20th centry as you can get. Everybody knows that in this nation democracy is preached but is never practiced. And anybody who lives in the 21st century surely knows that corporate America is taking a back seat to Japan and other nascent European countries not to mention China, increasingly dependent on outsourcing to improve its bottom lines. America is an impotent, oil poor, crumbling republic, bogged down in a no-win war, and yes, the Republicans and Democrats represent a 2-headed monster known as the United States, and everybody is in the pursuit of power. So what else is new? The Private Boyz Club are gonna get theirs, just the like the treasurer of concerned citizens block club is gonna steal half of the money out of the sinking fund, and the babies' mommas are going to be selling their food stamps, and the drug dealers are going to be paying off the cops, and the new president of the PTA stuffed the ballot box, and preachers are going to be buying new cars with the cash from the collection plates, and the soccer mom is going to be sleeping with the coach so her kid can get more playing time, and the bank vice president is embezzling to support his gambling habit. Helloo. God Bless Babylon. |
Tonya
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Oh I see....America crash and burns and all that's left is the evil world.
*Trembling*
Ooooh, I’s ‘fraid massah! LOL!!
("Gullible America public", indeed!)
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Cynique
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Do you see???? I wonder. |
Tonya
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Your daughter won't be getting her 401K cuz Paris Hilton stole it, yeah, but I don’t consider this the end of the world, dear.
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Al Gore is the man whose own home wastes enough energy to operate a small town, yet he tells the masses that we should sacrifice to conserve and "save" the planet. Global warming is OUR fault.
He writes a book and all the silly ass brainwashed people run right out to buy it like the transfixed zombies that they are.
And don't forget - Al Gore INVENTED the INTERNET.
http://www.wired.com/politics/law/news/1999/03/18390
He prolly has your dumb asses believing that crap too, huh???
Hey mindless do-do birds, open wide so he can feed you some more of his BULLSHIT since it's obvious that you'll eat anything.
And here's a newsflash for you just in case you're too stupid to know: SHIT ROLLS DOWNHILL!!!
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Tonya
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, June 02, 2007 - 09:39 pm: |
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You are right this:
You're NOT the person he had in mind when he wrote this book…that's for sure.
...He figured he'd leave that to Andy Dick and First Lady Betty Ford.
And shit DOES roll downhill....But it heads straight for the GUTTER..
...right where it belongs. LOL!!
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Cynique
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, June 02, 2007 - 09:44 pm: |
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Paris Hilton? 401K? What are you talking about Tonya??? As usual, you and I are not on the same wave length. Did you get a hold of some good/bad weed?? LOL |
Cynique
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, June 02, 2007 - 09:51 pm: |
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Humm. OK, I guess that how you "see" the "that's the way of the world" litany I recited in my response to chrishayden. |
Mzuri
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, June 02, 2007 - 10:18 pm: |
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Tonya
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, June 02, 2007 - 11:53 pm: |
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No she DIDN’T kick Whitney Houston's "crack's Whack" line!
ROTFLMBAO!!!
I’ma piss MY PANTS...please stop!
I'm dyin' laughing--HaHaHa!!
I guess y’all get in the same groove when y’all take that hit...huh....First lying then crying then rapping then snapping then winking and blinking and shit..lol!! |
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