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Tonya
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, May 18, 2007 - 05:25 am: | 
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Ex-customers accuse salon of discrimination.
Owner said she just didn't know how to do their hair:
Video Clip: http://www.khou.com/news/local/stories/khou070516_ac_hairsalon.75dd1feb.html
Asians are my favorite ppl outside of Blacks so perhaps I’m a little more tolerant here than I’d normally be; but I don’t know, this doesn’t seem like racism to me. ...maybe a close call at best. What Black person goes to an Asian for a haircut anyway?!? Mani’s and pedi’s, absolutely, but a haircut??? No. I don’t know any.
Ex-customers accuse salon of discrimination
11:29 PM CDT on Wednesday, May 16, 2007
By Wendell Edwards
At a strip center in northwest Houston is the Fantasy Cut and Nails Salon a salon that appears to be open to the public, but 11 News has been told not everyone is welcomed.
Hard to fathom, but Tia Dosewell said that’s what happened to her.
She had been a regular customer at the shop for nearly year.
It’s just around the corner from her home.
“It just hit me in the face,” Dosewell said. “This is straight up discrimination.”
But in April she stopped getting her hair cut after being refused service — not once but three times.
She learned why on her final visit.
“As soon as I walked into the door, she immediately approached me and told me she could not cut my hair,” Dosewell said. “Then at that time I was demanding answers.
“I said that’s just straight up discrimination; so you are discrimination against me. I can’t cut your hair.”
And she wasn’t alone.
Dosewell found out her son, her friend and her friend’s mom all were refused service by shop manager Jenny Truong, they say because they were black.
The group shared their stories with 11 News.
“She just straight told me that, ‘we can’t cut black people hair. We can’t cut your hair anymore. I’ll send you down to my friends shop down the street,’” Bobbie Ross said.
“’We no cut no black hair, no more because they complain too much,’” Katie Anderson said. “’You go down the street,’ and she was telling me about the other shop.”
It sounds hard to imagine.
Discrimination laws date back to 1968, and 11 News legal analyst Gerald Treece said the law is clear: “And it says any facility in the United States open to the public has to engage in non-discrimination,” Treece said.
And punishment can be severe, he said.
“The penalties are both civil, that is people can sue you for a violation of this, and they are criminal,” Treece said. ”This is something the Department of Justice can investigate.”
11 News confronted Jenny Truong.
11 News: “Jenny, I’m Wendell Edwards from Channel 11. Some of your former customers tell me you refuse to cut black people’s hair — is this true?
JT: “No, no, no, we never do that, we have customers with black hair but the trouble.”
At first Troung denied that she ever refused service to black customers. But in the middle of the conversation she said she didn’t know how to cut that type of hair.
JT: “That’s different hair.”
11 News: “But that’s discrimination. You were cutting their hair before, and then you stopped all of a sudden. Why?”
JT: “I stopped because they got curly hair. I got in trouble; they complain to me.”
Truong said one person complained, and since then she stopped serving black patrons.
11 News: “So you don’t cut black people’s hair anymore?
JT: “Because that’s curly hair.”
11 News: “Are you racist?”
“No, she is not racist,” another employee said. “Before we cut one or two customer, and the customer you know, they — they argue.”
At this point, Dosewell and her friends said they don’t want to return to the shop.
“I appreciated the service, but then to find out I’m not appreciated because of my race — it is hard,” Dosewell said. “I spent a lot of money in that shop, and I was a good customer.”
But now this former customer is considering a lawsuit alleging discrimination by the business that turned her away.
Truong told 11 News the salon does provide other services such as manicures and pedicures to African American customers.
One other note, 11 News legal expert Professor Jerry Treece said businesses open to the public cannot turn away customers -- not for the texture of the hair and not because people complain.
The laws of discrimination are clear. However, the business could ask clients to sign a waiver that states the quality of their work may not satisfy all customers said Treece. |
Americansista
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Post Number: 364
Registered: 09-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, May 18, 2007 - 09:22 am: |
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I don't get it.
Why are black people going to Asians to get their hair cut? Maybe to BUY some hair or get the nails done but hair?
NEVER heard of that, in any city I went to. Black people are paranoid about that shyt, especially black women. We only want black folks to do our hair, probably because they have the same type and knows HOW to get the results we're trying to acheive.
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Renata
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, May 18, 2007 - 11:31 am: |
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That's crazy stupid....LOL. My Japanese ex used to hang out with blacks (mostly Africans) all the time, but when he went for a haircut, he had it cut by Asian people.....Vietnamese to be exact. They cut his hair just like they cut their own (long on top and short in the back) and I called him Truong Pham as a joke until it grew back out.
And as non-racist as I am, I will ONLY have my hair cut by a black woman (or male barber if the women charge too much). As a matter of fact, when I thought I may be visiting Japan (years ago), I had all of my hair cut off so that I wouldn't be hassled with trying to find a black barber in Japan.
And I'm not really familiar with Houston, but doesn't Houston have a really large African American population? I wish this woman would have been in Atlanta so I could laugh my ass off at her. |
Schakspir
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, May 18, 2007 - 03:36 pm: |
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Both Jenny and Tia sound completely clueless. |
Serenasailor
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, May 18, 2007 - 04:08 pm: |
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Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww Ranata you dated a JAP!!! GROSS!!! |
Schakspir
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, May 18, 2007 - 04:39 pm: |
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I guess SerenaSailor is code talk for SS. As in goose-stepping lederhosen-wearing faggot. |
Renata
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, May 18, 2007 - 05:44 pm: |
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I've dated a few guys....but never an Arab or Pakistani....they scare me for some reason. Or Chinese, just never met one I liked. |
Yukio
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, May 18, 2007 - 09:35 pm: |
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I think we missing the point....the place is open to the but....except black people! Thats discrimination! Its not a matter why you would get your hair done by asians at all! It is a matter of access...
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Mzuri
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, May 18, 2007 - 09:59 pm: |
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There's no way to know for sure why the customers were denied services. The customer says it was due to the business owners not wanting to deal with Black hair and the business owner says it's because of the customer's bad conduct. Don't businesses reserve the right to refuse service to anyone? If it's not regarding housing, education, transportation or employment, what's the law forcing a business to deal with whoever walks thru the door? I'm waiting to see a judge mandate that a business must deal with someone it doesn't want to.
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Yukio
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, May 19, 2007 - 12:00 am: |
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The civil rights act of 1964--via the civil rights movement, including marches, boycotts, sit-ins, murders, etc--prohibits discrimination in public accommodations [remember the sit-in at Woolsworth by NC A&T freshmen in 1961?]. |
Renata
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, May 19, 2007 - 12:16 am: |
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I'm just wonder sometimes why black people moan about how racist business owners of other races are towards them, when it's too easy to give their business to a black business owner and completely forget the other places even exist. What she should do is make her case known in her area and then tell them where the black salons are located (which I'm sure they probably know of anyways, but just don't consider as an option). |
Mzuri
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, May 19, 2007 - 12:42 am: |
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Thank you Malcolm. I'm aware of all of that. But what is "public accommodation" about a beauty salon? Is that a necessary service to one's health and welfare? Obviously I want to look good, but I'm not gonna die if my nails and hair aren't done. Although you'd think I was dying if you ever witness me break a fingernail, but I digress. If I own a beauty salon and you come up in there talking loud and acting foolish, your ass ain't getting served. And there's not a judge in the world who could change that.
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Yukio
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, May 19, 2007 - 12:53 am: |
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no Mzuri, thats MLK! LOL! Malcolm wouldn't want to have a seat at Woolworths.
And, don't you think black people before the CRA of 1964 really wanted to have a hamburger at woolworths?
That is right. If a person is being disrespectful, then an owner has the right to kick them out!
But it seems, that these person are being dismissed because of their race. The behavior of one person doesn't represent an entire group. That is the issue. It says a person complained, and now an entire group of people with the same or similar texture are rejected...thats discrimination. |
Renata
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They just didn't feel like doing black hair....they didn't mind doing their nails. All the more reason they should just say "screw you" and take their hair money AND their nail money to a black salon which is probably within walking distance of this one anyways. |
Mzuri
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, May 19, 2007 - 01:12 am: |
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What Ever MLK. I disagree that this is a case of discrimination. Anytime a Black woman enters a non-Black hair salon, there's going to be some type of an issue. I've experienced it first hand (being charged more than people with "regular" hair) and I still don't think it's discrimination.
http://www.decaturdaily.com/decaturdaily/news/050530/hair.shtml
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Yukio
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, May 19, 2007 - 02:41 pm: |
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What you think, of course, is your right. But the case above, it seems to me, is quite different from this case you've cited.
One pertains the time and services rendered, and the other pertains to access.
In the case of salon, I would go with Renata's point, go to your own. They know how to do your hair, and so you get a "fair" price.
What is more interesting, is the how regular means white people....and so and in the market place, how since some of us have a little money...white people now have to cater to us, and they therefore need more "skills."
It is still, however, discrimination, but the law is unhelpful in this case....one can argue that it is a case of services and labor time...or one can say that one pays for the hair style....I can't say that I know this...I'm a black man [not that brother don't get perms], and I'm bald...LOL!
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Mzuri
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, May 19, 2007 - 03:09 pm: |
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Thank you for giving me the right to freedom of thought, MLK 
The link was intended to convey that Black woman have had issues with non-Black hair salons since forever. Again, I'd really like to see how this case would do in court. And I wonder if the beauticians could use the legal defense that they aren't trained to work with Black people's hair or that it's so different from "regular" hair that they should have the option of not dealing with it at all.
BTW, I LOOOOOVE me some bald-headed man! 
(Don't tell nobody)
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Yukio
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, May 19, 2007 - 05:36 pm: |
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That is a legal matter. They can do anything they want until someone takes them to court. The fact of the matter is--working with black hair is different. It is an additional skill. I used to cut hair in college in the dorms, and while I never hair a white person's hair, I would not know the first think to do....
But on the other hand, this is to admit that what we call regular means white...and so, as I tell many people, I call white people....white people, just like they call black people--black people. |
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