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Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 8333
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 17, 2007 - 12:45 pm: | 
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I was able to catch a rerun of Oprah's "After Imus, now what?" show, and I must say it was certainly not an in-depth discussion. What it amounted to was a bunch of refined, articulate, professional black people and bougie college girls all preaching to the choir, all giving variations on the same theme: black rappers enable society-at-large to do what it has always done, which is to disrespect black women. The problem with this discussion was that there was no diversity on the panel, so only one facet of this many-sided issue was focused on. Who should have also been there to give some deeper insight were the women Snoop spoke of, the so-called "skeezers" who supposedly run games on men and who have no problem with being called derogatory names. The bootie-shaking back-up dancers in videos should also have been included in the mix to have their say. And last but not least, the kids who buy and listen to rap should have been on board to make what would have been a very significant contribution since so many of them claim that they don't take the lyrics of rap seriously, that they just like the beats. As a moderator, Oprah did fairly well, managing to let her guests do most of the talking for a change. Today, she is having representatives from the rap industry on and I'm anxious to catch the re-run of it tonight. From what I could gather, it features some rappers and entrepreneurs who claim to be "keeping it real", supplying the demand, making music about their experiences, insisting that poverty has to share in the blame for this bad situation. Stay tuned. |
Yvettep
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Username: Yvettep
Post Number: 1922
Registered: 01-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 17, 2007 - 01:49 pm: |
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Thanks for the recap, Cynique. I missed the first show but saw a part of it on good old YouTube. (I posted links on another thread--but apparently not the whole show is posted yet.)
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Mzuri
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Username: Mzuri
Post Number: 4546
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 17, 2007 - 04:57 pm: |
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I see I didn't miss anything. As usual 
I'll probably watch today to see what Russell Simmons no-talking self has to say. |
Ntfs_encryption
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Username: Ntfs_encryption
Post Number: 2093
Registered: 10-2005
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 17, 2007 - 07:07 pm: |
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".....all giving variations on the same theme: black rappers enable society-at-large to do what it has always done, which is to disrespect black women."
Yep. And the misogyny and coonology will continue unabated because Negroes are too paralyzed with indifference to their own self degradation and shameless flagellation to realize they (as a group) are the only "antidote" to the mindless buffoonery, sociopathology and entrenched influence of gangsta rappers and hip hop. It's like romantically reliving the Million Man March. Nothing will change. End of subject.....
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Mzuri
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Username: Mzuri
Post Number: 4549
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 17, 2007 - 08:08 pm: |
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I watched most of Oprah today and there were some valid points made. Russell Simmons and Dr. Ben were basically bragging about how they were the HNICs of the Hip-Hop Summit and some other fluffy sounding organization. And placing the blame (of the misogyny/degrading women) on the rappers who supposedly originated from abject poverty. Whatever. 
Stanley Crouch was there and that man needs to put a bag over his head. Just sayin.
Anyway, my thoughts are that the current culture of the video booty shaking and tittie swinging would not exist if it weren't for the WOMEN! The women who all want to be the next superstarcelebritymillionaireho.
Trollops such as this:
who think that it's wise to let every man on the face of the earth see their nipples, ass crack and everything else. Sadly, mystery, modesty and discretion are no longer in vogue.
If they weren't up in there clapping their butt cheeks and simulating oral sex then the rappers wouldn't have anything to reference about who is a b-itch and a ho, and then that way they could write and sing about other interesting topics such as money, cars, gold, diamonds, clothes, love, marriage, etc.
As to the assertions that this booty shaking and ho calling is what the consumer wants - research has shown that people will buy anything. So if everyone produced "nice" music, people would buy it, just as they will watch "nice" videos. If that's all there is, then people will consume it.
But I digress. Hip-hop and dirty talking rappers are not to blame for our culture of bad manners, no consideration and lack of common courtesy. Just as guns aren't responsible for killings, and love songs don't keep marriages from breaking apart.
Our entire society is all fukced up. I'm sure there was a point when it started going downhill but I don't know what it is. It can never be repaired and things will just keep getting worse.
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Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 5246
Registered: 07-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 17, 2007 - 08:42 pm: |
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I agree with the niggers on this one Cynnique, so I wasn't too pissed off with the imbalance. Next time she calls herself having a town meeting, I'ma piss a ••••• tho. ...Unless it’s strictly about them and their shitty funky laundry.
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Ntfs_encryption
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Username: Ntfs_encryption
Post Number: 2099
Registered: 10-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 17, 2007 - 11:20 pm: |
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"Stanley Crouch was there and that man needs to put a bag over his head. Just sayin."
Nice post. I agree with everything you said. But are you suggesting you would not date or you are not physically attracted to Stanley Crouch..????
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Mzuri
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Username: Mzuri
Post Number: 4555
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 17, 2007 - 11:30 pm: |
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He has a bad attitude besides being extremely unattractive. He's definitely not my type |
Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 5250
Registered: 07-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, April 18, 2007 - 03:07 am: |
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I just watched part 2 of her show and you’re right; the class-ism surrounding this event is beginning to stink. First the Rutgers women's status as students seems to have been the only thing that shielded them from being called ho's. Then Snoop Dogg said as much. And now Oprah's done a show that was truly disturbing. It was centered on folks from the upper classes, just as you said, and there were no men and women young and old from the hood and "lower classes". Hmmm. I hate to say it but the classism is getting hard to overlook.
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Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 9246
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, April 18, 2007 - 08:04 am: |
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Tonya,
I noticed the classism as well. I mean, the young women of Spellman are lovely. But Snoop said he's NOT talking about women like them and those of Rutgers. Truth is, he hardly even KNOW the kinds of sistas who are mostly able to attend those schools.
And I believe of all the people involved with yesterday's Oprah show, the Entertainment Attorney (I don't recall his name) made the most salient, profound points. Because he mentioned how all facets of the environment that surround hip-hop - the artist/producer, record companies, media companies, customers, etc. - result in what we see. Yet we place all the focus and blame on artists.
But then, it ain't like we don't have lots of practice with blaming everything on Black men.
Btw: I wonder whether the fine young sistas of Spellmen have confronted the presidents of BET and MTV with their concerns about hip-hip. Both of them are Black WOMEN. |
Yvettep
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Username: Yvettep
Post Number: 1936
Registered: 01-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, April 18, 2007 - 08:26 am: |
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the classism is getting hard to overlook.
Agree 100%.
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Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 9248
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, April 18, 2007 - 10:16 am: |
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I also found interesting how none of the offenders of gangsta rap were on Oprah's show. No 50, Snoop, Nelly, lil John, etc. Why place Common in the uneviable position of having to defend some sh*t that he himself is in no responsible for? |
Yvettep
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Username: Yvettep
Post Number: 1938
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, April 18, 2007 - 03:06 pm: |
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Funny: http://exodusmentality.blogspot.com/2007/04/rap-artists-unite-to-control-white.h tml |
Chrishayden
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Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 4174
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, April 18, 2007 - 03:41 pm: |
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Anyway, my thoughts are that the current culture of the video booty shaking and tittie swinging would not exist if it weren't for the WOMEN! The women who all want to be the next superstarcelebritymillionaireho.
Trollops such as this:
(Now, if a man gets out, and insists that a woman has to cover herself from head to toe with a burkha, and we go out with sticks and beat a woman like this down for it, you start screaming that we are interfering with her right to live the way she wants to.
Please. Please black people. Try to get some consistency. I know its hard and you won't be able to do it right away. But try. |
Mzuri
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Username: Mzuri
Post Number: 4558
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, April 18, 2007 - 03:50 pm: |
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Who said anything about a burkha? A woman doesn't have to cover herself from head to toe in order to act like she has some dignity, class and self-respect. And for all I care, the ••••• could walk around naked. The point I was trying to make (since you're in another day of cluelessness and I gots to break it down for you) is that respect brings respect. Ya heard?
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Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 8357
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, April 18, 2007 - 05:23 pm: |
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Women can't help it if men think with their penises instead of their brains. Skeezers live by the credo that is "you find a fool, fool him". |
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