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Kola_boof
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NO ONE I've talked to thinks this bit of
TRIVIA is important or even worth discussing.
But Barack Obama is the first Presidential
candidate IN HISTORY...to write about "colorism" and to write against it.
That, to me, IS an important issue that affects not just blacks---but as he's written----all people of color, and like him, I agree that we cannot stamp out racism without first acknowledging the "underlying" enabler and measuring stick, which is skin color.
Everyone has their "issues"---but since Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Hillary Clinton and none of the PAST candidates ever wrote about or even MENTIONED this debilitating reality, I feel as though "BLACK FOLK" ought to give Obama his props.
BTW, I don't consider Obama to be a "black" man. Like other Africans, I see him as an "African" Half-Caste, but I do trust him and I do think he's a very good man.
I also like what he had to say in Los Angeles:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=zGJ83WScYoU&mode=related&search=
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Robynmarie
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Has BO addressed the one million black men and women in jail, prison or on probation? If so, what are his ideas about that situation?
Children are being born in prison at record numbers, mothers and fathers, husbands and wives, separated in some cases forever. That's at least as important as colorism. |
Cynique
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Thank you! |
Tonya
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"Has BO addressed the one million black men and women in jail, prison or on probation? If so, what are his ideas about that situation? Children are being born in prison at record numbers, mothers and fathers, husbands and wives, separated in some cases forever."
Robynmarie, Barack is a Cosby Democrat. He's also further right on social/values issues than the other DEM candidates. My guess is he'd take a position on the issues you posed that most Blacks won't like, that is if they're able to parse the type of language I'm sure he'd use. It's good that he talked about colorism though. He seems like a wonderful author. |
Robynmarie
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^^^^
Cosby Democrat. I like that description. Now that I have gotten past the handsome face and smooth delivery, I need specifics. Like when and how BO plans to bomb IRAN!!! |
Tonya
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....Exactly! |
Dahomeyahosi
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I don't know about him being a good man but he certainly is a good looking man with a nice deep voice. It is wrong to vote for a president based on his appearance isn't it? LOL. |
Kola_boof
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I'm not ATTRACTED to Obama or consider him a "good looking" man---he looks kinds of LANKY and PALE and "stickless" to my eyes.
But HE IS a good man.
HE IS.
And it's so terribly obvious that no one has taken the time to read his personal views from his own hand...or what he has written of himself.
Every human and every public figure lies about "something"----but if you have EARS and a BRAIN----then I don't care how much they lie, you can detect the ESSENCE and SPIRIT of that person underneath what they are saying and writing.
OBAMA is a "superior human being" compared to Hillary Clinton and everybody else running in this election.
They ain't got the PERSONAL POWER that Obama has.
Not to mention the strong character of his brilliant wife.
And he is NOT a "Cosby Democrat" anymore than Hillary is a "Tonya Turncoat".
The fact is---you can't expect a person to
be 'everything' that you like. But damn--can we have appreciate of the things we've never had before, such as a candidate who recognizes colorism?
I like people who show their FLAWS, I show
mine all the time.
OBAMA is not perfect, but he has every right to run for President and I hope he does bomb IRAN.
And in "particular"---I hope he bombs the black SLAVE port "BASRA, IRAN" where some 8 million black slaves entered into IRAN, which is why that country has a population of 17 million poverty-stricken "underprivilaged" hatefully treated blacks today.
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Brownbeauty123
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Welcome back Kola! |
Robynmarie
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Oh so that's why BO wants to bomb IRAN? He thinks that's where Basra is. LOL. He needs to quit smoking (whatever it is he smokes) and takes some geograhy lessons.
Basra is in Iraq. |
Tonya
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Hey. Folks claim Bush is the type of fella one could have a beer with. He has a strong personality, most say. People seem to LOVE the type of person he is A LOT. But ask 'em how they feel about him as president...lololololololololololol!!! And I think I know a Cosby democrat when I see one. Now a "Tonya Turncoat" hahaha!, prob'ly not. Tonya isn't running for president. And so far there hasn't been a candidate petty enough to fall under such a childish heading, my god. |
Kola_boof
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That's right, it's is in IRAQ. That was "MY" slip up.
But IRAN is no different--in fact, it's worse.
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Abm
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Robynmarie,
Obama was an State of Illinois legislator for 8 years. I sure an examination of his voting record would reveal what he thinks and might do concerning in the incarceration issue.
And one could make an argument that Colorism is partly to blame for how/why Black are prosecuted and incarcerated. Because I'll BET a majority of your inmates are amongst our DARKER brothas and sistas. |
Dahomeyahosi
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Kola how is Iran?
I've been meaning to ask you if you've ever been compared to Ayaan Hirsi Ali. A poster on another board made the comparison. I just finished her autobiography. What do you think about her? I learned some about interactions between East Africans and Arabs by reading that book. |
Abm
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Kola,
They don't read Barack's record. Or if they do, they ignore it. Because they're so invested in wanting him to fail, they don't much care about the truth.
Again. They're mired in some sada$$ slave sh*t.
Fools. Duh WITE foks gon git mad atcha fer thinkin' yu be ah full mayne an' WOmayne. |
Kola_boof
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ABM, you're exactly right, King.
And OBAMA has shown incredible "compassion" for the DILEMNA of what I call...modern day enslavement---the PRISON system.
He knows what's up in this country, and he's down for the BLACK FOLK, but you have these people who feel they have to demean him.
I can respect your right to support another candidate, Roybnmarie---but I think it's grossly unfair the way OBAMA is the ONLY candidate on this board being raked over the coals, "maligned" and VIOLATED by a bunch of weak blacks spouting innuendo and gossip as Obama is unfairly made out to be some hiddeous evil in the universe.
I myself have had "lies" and "gossip" spun about me to appease ignorant ass blacks in L.A.---which I'm SURE you and Jackie well know.
You might as well know right now that there's going to be SERIOUS RETALIATION down the line against Hillary Clinton if this insane prejudice towards Obama continues---because there are MANY Blacks like me...with tentacles....who will campaign against HILLARY in the general election if her constituents keep fu.cking over OBAMA...and we'll campaign harder than we campaigned for Obama.
The DEMOCRATS won't win PERIOD.
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Robynmarie
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I suppose colorism does play a role...but I have seen lots of fine looking brothas of all hues who are locked up, over 600,000 black men in jail-the most any where on this earth. Husbands, friends, fathers, sons, wasting away...
Not saying they all don't belong there for their crimes, but these "three strike" laws have kept black men and women in jail for decades.
BO should make this the forefront of his campaign-if he really wants to help black people.
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Kola_boof
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Dahomeyahosi,
I knew Theo Van Gogh personally, but I never knew Ayaan Hirsi Ali, although Theo wanted to make a film about she and I. *Read bottom half.
http://poetwomen.50megs.com/catalog.html
(He and Ayaan Hirsi made "Submission".)
I greatly admire Ayaan, from what little I know about her, and I share a shockingly similar struggle, although---we are totally different personalities.
I don't think she's as "damaged" or as "soulful" as I am, because----she's a Politician.
And that's a huge difference.
I am an African mother, novelist and cook and because I am not a politician--but a type of entertainer---I speak my mind more freely.
Unfortunately, the people who COMPARE us never seem to realize what I am. There is the misconception that I'm a Political Activist with an AGENDA....I'm a "mother" activist and an Entertainer...I started as a Model and Film Actress....my "agenda" is that Black Women will
love themselves and producer a stronger Black Man and begin to rebuild Africa---but I am not "conventional".
I hate it that the press is now trying to distort Ayaan's work and make her out to be a "lying fraud", but I'm not surprised they would do that. I just hope people, especially blacks, support her.
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Tonya
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Abm, what's so different about Barack’s voting record? How is it that much different from the other DEM senators' (except that it's shorter than most), please share? Nobody’s been trashed more than the Clintons on this board and Hilary's voting record is almost identical to Barack Obama's.
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Abm
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Robynmarie,
Yes. There are Black men of all hues in jails. But the vast majority of them are DARKER. The really BLACK boys get labels and responses when they're kids that lead to their eventual incarceration. Some of it is the fault of government. And some of it is the fault of how we Black foks ourselves view and treat our darkerskinned people.
So if Barack does NOT make the prison issue the numero uno part of his political platform, you're going to vote for someone else?
Kola,
I wouldn't vote for Hillary as president. I don't think she has either the record or personal qualities to lead this nation. She and Bill are just going to get us all caught up in their personal drama bvllshyt...AGAIN.
Remember: It was all the BS the Clinton's pulled that lead to Bush getting elected to begin with.
I saw Ayaan on Real Time with Bill Maher. I was very impressed by how she was able to utterly silence Maher and his other White male guests. It was clear to EVERYONE that SHE knew a hell of a lot MORE about what she spoke than they did. |
Tonya
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Abm, please answer my question when you get the chance.
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Abm
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Tonya,
My opinion of Hillary is NOT just based upon her voting record. It's based on what she and her husband has pulled over the years they've been on the political scene.
I mean, you foks are squawking about Obama's pulling the plug on his pastor speaking at his announcement speech while the Clintons are on record for politically DESTROYING Black foks like Mike Espy, Lani Guinier, Dr. Jocelyn Elders, etc.
Hillary has been so hellbent on becoming president, she'll do dayamnear any/everything to facilitate that end. So I don't trust what she'll say and do.
Moreover, I'm just TIRED of the Clinton's sh*t.
They had there time and mostly pissed all over it. I don't want to go through all that shyt again. And given the situation we're in in Iraq - one, btw, that Hillary voted to SUPPORT - we don't need any more Clintonian bvllshyt.
There are LOTS of enormously talented foks - including but certainly NOT limited to Obama - whom I'd prefer as president because perhaps they'll improve our chances of dealing with stuff from a newer, fresher and less politically duplicitous perspective and intent than the Clintons. |
Robynmarie
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Abm
There are 600K black men wasting away in jail; over 100K black women are in jail. Women are having children in jail. Most of these offenses are drug related. The three strike laws are the reason we have so many people in jail. It is the new slavery. If a candidate does not have a concrete plan to turn these devestating stats around, I have no use for him or her.
In my opinion it has little do to with colorism since there has been and will always be dark skin people, but we have more African Americans in jail than ever before.
Please tell me why I should vote for BO or if you care to share why you believe he will be the best POTUS?
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Tonya
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Abm,
So there's really no difference in their voting records, thanks.
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Kola_boof
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Tonya:
So there's really no difference in their voting records, thanks.
Kola:
Yeah, but Tonya, the difference is that OBAMA loves Black people and Hillary needs them to USE them for her own advancement as a pastey white woman with power.
Obama wants power, success and stature, too---but he also LOVES black people.
And it stands to reason that if OBAMA loves Black people...then he's likely to love other races of Americans "moreso" and with more "clarity" and understanding than the Clintons can.
Not that his job as President would ALLOW HIM to do all that much---but shit, why put Hillary/Bill back in office when we can have a "black" Hillary/Bill in office?
As for the PRISONS----RobynMarie really isn't being fair, because NONE of the White Candidates give a damn about the Black Epidemic of Prison Chattel....but again....it stands to reason that Obama would be more sympathetic to hearing that plight than anyone else would be.
And David Geffen has SAID SO.
So I'm confused at what Robyn's claiming.
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Robynmarie
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All I want to know is how BO stands on:
-Nearly one million black people behind bars
-The three strikes laws that overwhelming effect black people
-Black babies born in prison to drug/alcohol addicted mothers
-Black girls going to detention/jail in record numbers
-The Prison Industrial complex
If he has no opinion on these issues, why should I vote for him? He is just like the the white candidates.
BTW, what does BO have to say about developing affordable housing for the (black) people displaced by Hurricane Katrina?
These are the things that are devestating the black community. If he is not talking about this issues, why should I as a black woman vote for him? I've met BO in person, listened to his speeches, and so far, it's lots of bun and no meat.
As for David Geffen, f-him. Does he care about what's happening to black people in this country? |
Kola_boof
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Robynmarie,
I don't think he's against the 3 strikes law,unfortunately (I could be wrong).
But he's "touched" on the "PRISON" stuff in his books and I don't know if you saw his speech in L.A. on YouTUBE, but he's LOUDLY expressed his displeasure with all the blacks being in Prison as opposed to college.
You might remember the HISTORY of OBAMA's "drunken/in and out of jail" father who suffered discrimination at the hands of rich whites. Did you hear Obama's speech about his father's suffering and how his father got here?
ROBYN!!!!...David Geffen is a MAJOR fighter for "new prison laws" to help get BLACKS out of prison.
He donates huge amounts of money to pay for DNA testing that gets "innocent" blacks released (he's responsible for atleast 30 black men being released from false "rape" charges---he started a fund to help black women inmates start over---AND, he has an AIDS Hospice for Ex-cons with the virus. He's VERY involved with black issues
...in and out of Prison.
But he's a RAVING HOMOSEXUAL, so he gets little Dap.
He owns GEFFEN RECORDS where Mary J. Blige and Macy Gray are signed and they both say he's the sweetest person in the world.
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Dahomeyahosi
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Kola,
I haven't heard much from American media discreditors but I've heard plenty from a couple of Somalians. They despise the woman. I think she is very brave and I support her cause 100%. Women get circumsized in West Africa as well but not infibulated and the things she the transgressions she described against Somali/Muslim women were simply outrageous.
As someone who is familiar with an Islamic society and has seen violence against women can you explain to me how these women see their situations? |
Robynmarie
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That "more blacks in prison than in college" is a tired line. We know this Barak, what the heck do you plan to do about it?
As for Geffen, I did not know about his efforts on behalf of black inmates. Kudos to him. Still, I wish he, Barak and others would concentrate on black folks BEFORE THEY GET LOCKED UP, instead of afterwards during a political campaign.
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Kola_boof
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Dahomeyhosi:
As someone who is familiar with an Islamic society and has seen violence against women can you explain to me how these women see their situations?
KOLA:
The women don't know any other reality but their IMMEDIATE surroundings.
They are born into a FEAR so "cancerous and absolute"....that it becomes their second personality---their safety blanket----as they arrange their entire mindset and actions around their FEAR of doing something wrong.
You read my autobiography...my "birth mother" allowed people to believe that she was a MUTE because of her terrible fear.
There are "activists" there, but it's truly Guerrilla-work for women (always "educated" or "lesbian") who dare to rebel and take to the nomadic life.
The women also generally protect, promote and SUPPORT "Islam" and "sexism" like any good slave would support its master's creed.
They believe they "deserve" whatever the men think up....and that their lives are wonderful. It's all they know.
These women would HELP to stone you if allowed.
Their Male children order them around and a "boy" can spit on his mother and curse her.
It's just the "known world".
And as I've told others who speak of "poverty" in Africa----most of the children I grew up with in Omdurman, Nubians mostly, were dirt poor and HAD NO IDEA that they were dirt poor.
Most of the impoverished Sudanese PRE-WAR did not sit around thinking that they're poor.
She catch fish or locust that day...you sing a song, tell a story...and you go to sleep.
That's life.
I can say that White "Arab" women, though, usually suffer far greater oppression than the "Black Animist" women----although----the "Black Arab" woman is basically a perpetual "rape victim" with no rights and no identity that isn't tied to shame.
But when someone is stoned, burned alive by husband or killed by her brothers---it's usually the White Arab girls.
A Black Arab man will just "sell" his daughter for money (to be a slave) rather than kill her.
Her Arab master, more than likely, will be the one to cut out her tongue or something violent---although---Black Arab father will fu-ck his daughter before turning her over to her master.
There is RAMPANT "homosexuality" in the community because of the "laws protecting the Hymen" and the men's devout belief in virginity.
In villages where there are no "black women" to rape or hold as sex slaves----the men will engage in "anal sex" and many men have "house boys"--9 and 10 year olds who are orphans needing work---and this is BIG in North Africa. No one talks about it, but there is RAMPANT homosexuality in the Islamic cultures, because they don't respect a woman's "mind"----their intimate conversation/debate is always with other women.
So it leads that they will have sex with those they respect the most as fellow humans.
SOMALIA, however...is far worse than Sudan, because there is a great deal of Sudan that is still CUSHITIC (the South) and there are hundreds of "Tribes" where the Black Women are from "goddess-based" religious cultures (nudity is prevalent), so because of the TRUE AFRICAN presence in Sudan....it wasn't as bad as Somalia or Egypt.
But still...if you want to know EVERYTHING about that world...you must read Nawal El Saadawi's book "The Hidden Face of Eve".
That's the best that's ever been written.
**When I lived in Libya and Morocco---I was considered a "prostitute" simply because I traveled without a Man and wore my hair exposed and was "American Citizen". They would consider a woman like Condaleeza Rice a straight up "WHORE" just because of her hair being uncovered and traveling without a man.
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Kola_boof
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*There IS a tribe in South Sudan where all the WOMEN marry up to 3 husbands.
It is a large tribe and has been their tradition for thousands of years. They are a "goddess-religion" based tribe.
You have a LOT of "women's religion" on the Nile River.
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Tonya
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Well said, Robynmarie. Both of your last two posts. MANY Blacks are waiting to know FOR THEMSELVES where he stands on Black issues BEFORE they take into consideration his being Black. If you're expected to vote for a candidate for a specific reason, you want to know FOR YOURSELF where that candidate stands on that reason. It's illogical to do it any other way. I can't imagine Hilary asking women to vote for her because she's a woman, but then refusing to articulate where she stands on women's issues. And actually Obama doesn't have to run on race for him to do fine with me. He can run on class issues like all the other candidates and I'll judge him just as I do them. But if he wants to run on race, he's gonna have to tell me how he feels about race & I'm gonna have to like it. |
Cynique
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And why is it that anybody who hasn't fallen in line with Obama zealots like ABM is accused of having some ulterior motives or a crippling dysfunction when they, themselves, are obsessed with Hillary Clinton, dwelling on her past, still visiting the sins of the husband on the wife, all the while choosing to disgregard any vestiges of negativity in Obama's past. If I eventually decide to pledge my vote for Obama it will be in spite of his slavish fans, not because of them. |
Kola_boof
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Cynique,
You and Tonya are so full of shit on this.
There's a BIG DIFFERENCE between not "falling in line with zealots".....and downright campaigning and posting SMEAR against him.
I personally could give a shit who you vote for.
But you keep trying to post crap telling me NOT to support him.
I voted for Bill Clinton TWICE...I've stated publicly that he's my favorite President of all time.
In my autobiography, I endorsed Hillary Clinton.
What I resent...is that your attacks on THIS BOARD are 100% anti-Obama and they're without merit and unreasonable to top it off.
You just keep bitching about why he shouldn't be running.
And Miss Tonya doesn't give a fu/ck about what ANYBODY is smoking---she needs to stop with that bullshit pretense. Her ass is probably sitting up in Philly with a jar of KOOL-AID and PLENNY reefer.
The "issues" of the campaign have nothing to do with the SMEAR CAMPAIGN and making fun of his "name" and other UGLINESS that I certainly didn't see when Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson ran for President.
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Cynique
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What attack have I made on Barak Obama?? What hatred have I shown toward him?? What smears have I tainted him with? You are lying, as usual, kola doofus. |
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You and ABM are so flush with your flux for Obama that you have devloped an aversion to the truth when it comes to the accusations you throw out there, kola. Talk about somebody being full of shit. PHEW! |
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"There are 600K black men wasting away in jail; over 100K black women are in jail. Women are having children in jail. Most of these offenses are drug related. The three strike laws are the reason we have so many people in jail. It is the new slavery."
Yep! This is true. They are helpless unsuspecting victims who never hurt anyone, never violated the law and were jailed for crimes they never committed. Over 90% of them never had been arrested nor had any entanglements with the law -ever! They're all in jail because their black! It's horrible! They should just free all them and send them to college.
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Robynmarie,
While a president can greatly affect the political climate that influences the above, he-she can NOT directly dictate how and whom is/isn't incarcerated.
There are MANY facets of our socio-political system that result in the exorbinant rates of Black incarceration. They're a product of our woeful educational systems. They're a product of fairness in our employment. And they're a product of whom we elect to our federal and state legislatures (who MAKE the laws governing prisons) and whom we elect and appoint to our federal and state/county judiciaries (who interpret and arbitrate laws and dictate sentencing).
So I believe you should consider whether or not a presidential candidate is inclined to support and be allied with law makers, judges and advocacy groups who are empathetic to your views the prison issue.
And, as I said before, Obama was in the Illinois State legislature for 8 years. I'm sure he's had to vote on issues regarding incarceration and prisons. I'm sure some fairly simple Google searches will reveal whether his actions are congruent with what you require.
PS: So if NONE of the presidential candidates articulate a plan for addressing the Black imprisonment issue, what are you going to do? Avoid voting altogether? |
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Tonya,
I'm sure there's a LOT of overlap of Obama's and Clinton's voting records. Hell. Biden's got what I consider a good record as a legislature.
And, honestly, we're I to put the issue of color/gender aside, the person I'd MOST want to elect president is Gen. Wesley Clark. Although he's never held elected office, something tells me he'd be a truly GREAT president.
And I believe had the Dems nominated Clark in 2004, he would have defeated Bush, he would President right now and we'd be handling the mess in Iraq much BETTER. |
Tonya
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Abm,
Can you share with us why you're voting for Barack and why you think he‘d make the best president? This was one of the questions Robynmarie asked you and I'm curious myself. Thanks.
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Tonya,
@ From what I can divine of his life history, record, writings and speeches, he's inclined to do what I think should be done to effectively lead this nation into resolving some of it major problems.
@ Obama has the charima and style that can convince foks to do what they otherwise might not want to do. Obviously that's the case or he - who only a few years ago was a virtual UNKNOWN - would NOT have won a seat in the US Senate and so quickly be a serious candidate for the presidency.
@ I believe Obama's more inclined to tell the TRUTH and do what's RIGHT - which is not necessarily what's most politically expedient - than would most of his current competition. He's been forthright about about errors in his character (e.g., smoking, drug consumption, etc.) in ways and to a degree that I doubt we've ever seen in a elected official. What that says to me that when we've gotten into some trouble, or when he's made a mistake, he's more inclined to tell the TRUTH.
@ I believe his election would have rippling effects thoughtout Black people in this country, this hemisphere and this planet as a whole. It offers a chance for Black people to believe they can lead and succeed. It it might compel us to stop making excuse for and rationalizing our failures/mediocrity.
@ I want to see a beautiful Black woman as first lady and beautiful Black girls as first children. I want to see a Black WOMAN be in a position of a Jackie Kennedy, to effect and lead trends of fashion, style and feminine grace and decorum. I believe that would begin to erode the fallacious, more destructive notions of Eurocentric beauty AND elevate the esteem of Black female BEAUTY throughout the world.
Those are some of the reasons why I'm voting for Obama. |
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FYI. From: http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Barack_Obama_Crime.htm
Barack Obama on Crime
Democratic Jr Senator (IL); previously State Senator
Battles legislatively against the death penalty
Obama's most significant contribution has been his legislative battles against the death penalty, and against in the criminal justice system. In Illinois, it's been a series of shocking exonerations of innocent people who are on death row. He was involved very intimately in drafting and passing legislation that requires the video taping of police interrogations and confessions in all capital cases. And he also was one of the co-sponsors of this very comprehensive reform or the death penalty system in Illinois, which many people say may trigger the retreat on the death penalty in many other states.
Source: Salim Muwakkil and Amy Goodman, Democracy Now Jul 15, 2004
Battles legislatively against the death penalty
He was involved very intimately in drafting and passing legislation that requires the video taping of police interrogations and confessions in all capital cases. And he also was one of the co-sponsors of this very comprehensive reform or the death penalty system in Illinois, which many people say may trigger the retreat on the death penalty in many other states.
Source: Salim Muwakkil and Amy Goodman, Democracy Now Jul 15, 2004
Supports alternative sentencing and rehabilitation
Principles that Obama supports to address crime:
Implement penalties other than incarceration for certain non-violent offenders.
Increase state funds for programs which rehabilitate and educate inmates during and after their prison sentences.
Provide funding for military-style "boot camps" for first-time juvenile felons.
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FYI. From http://obama.senate.gov/statement/050906-statement_of_senator_barack_obama_on_hu rricane_katrina_relief_efforts/index.html
and http://obama.senate.gov/press/050914-obama_coburn_to_introduce_hurricane_katrina _oversight_legislation/index.html
Obama, Coburn to Introduce Hurricane Katrina Oversight Legislation
WASHINGTON - U.S. Senators Barack Obama (D-IL) and Tom Coburn, M.D. (R-OK) today introduced the Oversight of Vital Emergency Recovery Spending Enhancement and Enforcement Act (OVERSEE), which is designed to ensure financial integrity in the Hurricane Katrina relief and recovery effort.
"Last week, Congress approved $62 billion for Gulf Coast relief and rebuilding efforts - most of which will go directly to FEMA," said Obama. "This is twelve times the amount of money FEMA was given last year - more than it has ever been trusted to spend before. If FEMA's track record during the rescue effort and in years before is any indication of how they will perform during the rebuilding that lies ahead, this should concern every taxpayer and every citizen interested in helping the millions of Americans who have been devastated by Hurricane Katrina."
Previous rebuilding efforts involving FEMA and other government agencies have a history of fraud, corruption, and waste when there is no oversight or accountability in how the funds are spent. Following Hurricane Frances in 2004, FEMA awarded $30 million and approved more than 12,000 claims for residents of Miami-Dade County. The storm, however, made landfall 100 miles north and Miami-Dade never even saw hurricane-force winds.
The Coburn-Obama bill would create a Chief Financial Officer (CFO) to oversee all expenditures associated with the Hurricane Katrina relief and reconstruction effort. The Hurricane Katrina CFO would be appointed by the President, confirmed by the Senate, staffed with experts from relevant federal agencies, and would have management and oversight over any agency using federal funds for the recovery. The CFO would issue monthly financial reports to Congress and the Government Accountability Office would issue quarterly reports to Congress reviewing the work of the CFO and recovery activities.
"As we look towards the massive Gulf Coast rebuilding efforts ahead, we must demand accountability over how the billions of dollars we've given to FEMA are spent," said Obama. "The CFO will also specifically look at whether federal funds are going to people most in need, whether federal funds are going to companies that hire local workers, and the extent to which the federal government is using no-bid and 'cost plus' contracts. As you'll recall, these contracts are what caused the whole contracting mess in Iraq."
"Even if the Levees hadn't burst and New Orleans didn't flood, Hurricane Katrina would still be the largest natural disaster this country has ever faced, and the rebuilding effort will be certainly be the largest and costliest of its kind. This entrusts FEMA with a massive amount of responsibility, and so it's only right that we protect both taxpayers and citizens on the Gulf Coast with strict accountability and oversight about how the money is being spent and whether it's being most efficiently directed to helping people rebuild their lives."
SUMMARY OF COBURN-OBAMA "OVERSEE ACT"
A Chief Financial Officer (CFO) would be established and would be responsible for the efficient and effective use of federal funds in all activities relating to the recovery from Hurricane Katrina.
Unlike an IG which audits money after it has been spent, the CFO would review expenditures before they are approved. This is a better way to protect against waste, fraud, and abuse.
The CFO would be appointed by the President, confirmed by the Senate, and located in the Executive Office of the President.
The CFO office would be staffed with experts detailed from relevant federal agencies, would have management and oversight of each federal agency involved in the recovery effort, and would work in conjunction with the inspectors general in each of these agencies.
Every month, the CFO would issue financial reports to Congress on the use of federal funds. These reports would include information about the extent to which federal funds have been distributed to persons most in need, the extent to which federal funds have been distributed to companies that hire local workers, and the use of sole source and "cost plus" contracts.
The Government Accountability Office (GAO) would issue quarterly reports reviewing the activities and expenses approved by the CFO. These reports would examine the accuracy of the CFO's reports and include information on the extent of waste, fraud, and abuse in federal spending, the use of sole source or "cost plus" contracts, whether federal funds have been used appropriately by state and local agencies, and the extent to which federal funds have helped persons most in need and local workers.
The CFO position would terminate one year after the enactment of the bill but could be extended for an additional year by the President. |
Abm
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Yvettep,
Thank, babe. I was aware of most of that. But I intentionally avoided posting any of it because I wanted to see whether or not Robynmarie were truly interested in researching Obama's record.
I'm hardpressed to divine why a progressive person - especially one who's BLACK - who KNOWS his record would vote against Barack Obama. |
Yvettep
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All the questions you all are asking about Obama's record is readily available just clicks away from aalbc.com. Once you read about his views--and, more importantly, his legislative and other actions--you can, of course, decide for yourself. You may still decide to support another candidate. And that is your right and duty as an American. |
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BTW, re: the three strikes laws. Obviously I am not a lawyer but aren't they state laws? There have been some interesting conversations about whether a HRC presidency would follow the same path as Bill Clinton's presidency in terms of stance on crime. (Clinton's actions, of course, were devastating to Blacks involved in the criminal justice system--perhaps moreso than any other Democratic president in recent history.) Even though I am not in her camp, I am offended that folks think that HRC would have similar policies as BC just because they are married. Anyway... |
Tonya
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Abm,
Those are some very sentimental reasons - interesting. Thanks. |
Abm
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Yvettep,
There are some minimum sentencing laws that are enacted/enforced at the federal level. And to the extent a president appoints judges and attorney generals who enforce and interpret laws, he-she can influence the degree to which SOME foks might be subject to onerous sentencing.
But I would agree that many Black foks who are under 3-strike lockdowns are in such via STATE laws that a president has almost ZERO control over.
The problem with Hillary is that the primary reason she was elected to the US Senate and is even considered a serious candidate for the presidency IS because she's married to former PRESIDENT Bill Clinton. Moreover, she's been given credit for much of what he's (alleged to have) accomplished.
Had she earned most or all of her stripes by her lonesome and were not so associated with her husband accomplishments, it would be less reasonable to associate her with what he's done. |
Abm
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Tonya,
Girl, PLEASE!
The ONLY reason why Hillary Clinton is in the US Senate and is a serious candidate for the presidency is because of the great SENTIMENT some foks have for her husband.
Were it not for Bill, you wouldn't even know WTF a Hillary Clinton IS. |
Cynique
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Snort. What you state as a "problem" for Hillary Clinton is what you perceive as a problem, ABM, mostly because you hate her husband. Your stance is glaringly chauvinistic. Hillary Clinton has the capablity to run for president on her own because she is a bright, dynamic, ruthless, experienced politician. In the final analysis, she will win or lose her presidential bid based on her own merit. |
Tonya
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No Abm. For me it's about the issues. I could give a damn what folks are WEARING if they're not eating.
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Abm
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Tonya,
First. Define "issues".
Then, show me where - from amongst you MYRIAD posting on this subject - you have presented on this site arguments for Hillary Clinton AND/OR against Barack Obama based upon those ISSUES? |
Abm
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Sans her connection with Bill Clinton, WHY would/should anyone vote for Hillary before they do any OTHER liberal Democrat - one who, btw, voted to support the Iraq War - whose been in the US Congress +6 years? |
Cynique
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What an ambiguous argument. If the only reason Hillary Clinton has gotten this far is because of her husband, then if she loses her bid for the presidency will it be because of her husband? The idea of a woman for president is an idea whose time has come. Hillary is in the right place at the right time and she's equipped to take advantage of this opportunity. That's what gives her a leg up. And not having voted for the Iraq war can only take Obama so far; when it comes down to the wire, it will be who inspires the most confidence when it comes to getting America out of Iraq. |
Mzuri
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Bill Clinton could drop dead tomorrow and Hillary Clinton is still going to become the next president. Why? Because she talks a good game. And that is all that's required to win a presidential election.
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Tonya
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Tonya, First. Define "issues".
POVERTY. EDUCATION
Those are the two main issues.
THE POOR. WORKING CLASS
Those are the people I’m most concerned about.
"Then, show me where - from amongst you MYRIAD posting on this subject - you have presented on this site arguments for Hillary Clinton AND/OR against Barack Obama based upon those ISSUES?"
Abm, my support so far has been behind John Edwards. If you could see past your extreme dislike for Hilary Clinton, I honestly believe that you would know this. But, see, Hilary won the debate in Selma (imo) and I said as much. And right around that time you started going crazy over my love for Hilary, and I just let go ahead, because you have this weird habit of seeing shit that isn't really there. You're usually crazed, belligerent and foaming at the mouth, and when you get this way there‘s absolutely nothing anyone can do to stop you. |
Abm
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Tonya,
Obama's record rates quite admirably with other presidential candidate those issues.
But, as I said before, I think one can make an argument about Barack's lack of experience at the national level. And one can legitimately question whether he has the requisite experience to assemble a good posse of potential appointees, advisors, staffing and supporters.
Though I don't see any reason for voting for John Edwards, you're free to vote for whomever you like. All I've attempted to do her is provide a clear/honest discussion of the CRITERIA that should be used for selecting a president.
And I didn't know they were DEBATING in Selma. I thought they were merely commemorating 42nd anniversity of the the Civil Rights march there.
Some of the tone of my response are a product of the ridiculousness of what you and others have used to criticize Obama. All these innuendo about his Blackness, whether he's a sell-out, etc. is just out-and-out bvllshyt, Tonya.
And it disappoints me that YOU would engage in such.
The other foks I can understand. Because, frankly, they're old, disillusioned and b*tchy. But YOU I had come to expect better of. |
Tonya
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Abm, I love you dearly brother but there you go again. When have I questioned Obama's Blackness and/or called him a sell-out? If anything, I was the first to RAVE about his cultural Blackness. And I made known to those who may have not known anything about his culturally authentic Black Black wife, remember? And why is it that YOU’RE CRITERIA is the best for everyone? Come on now. People have the right to choose they're own methods. ...You know that. 
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Cynique
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To call people "old and bytchy and disillusioned" because they give reasonable reponses to his wild claims is an indication of how skewed ABM vision is. I have yet to hear this petulant dickhead make a truthful accusation in regard to this. |
Abm
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Tonya,
You created this thread: http://www.thumperscorner.com/discus/messages/179/23357.html?1172148890.
Did you not?
The article you posted posited that Obama might be some stealth candidate Blackness is being used to trick us into supporting agendas that are antithetical to our interests.
Maybe I'm being presumptuous via projecting upon others my views about how we should elect a president. But at least I've with DETAIL clearly, fairly and emphatically presented why I'M supporting Obama. I'm STILL waiting for you and others who disagree with me to return the courtesy.
I mean, exactly what IS John Edwards RECORD? We already know he voted to fund Bush's fiasco in Iraq. What has he actually DONE about prisons, issues of Black and female advancement, poverty, drug interdiction, etc. And I'm not just talking about campaign speeches. I'm talking about his RECORD. |
Kola_boof
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ABM
I'm hardpressed to divine why a progressive person - especially one who's BLACK - who KNOWS his record would vote against Barack Obama.
KOLA:
I agree, ABM, and the fact is...they haven't even bothered to find out anything about this man.
The REASON that I'm supporting him is
#1--he wrote in his autobiography that he's FOR the POOR and the downtrowden, he identifies with the underdogs in life.
#2--David Geffen dropped a very long association with the Clintons to back Obama. Geffen is a huge supporter of liberal Black causes, but is never embraced by AAs because he's "flaming" homosexual. Still, he's a POWERFUL advocate.
#3--Like my birth father, Obama suffered terrible identity issues and did drugs and other self-destructive things....which brought him to realize "COLORISM" and how it was destroying "his people" (he strongly identifies with blackness), and he DELIBERATELY sought "black women" that he felt could "regenerate" him---it was also important to him to take a black bride to his family in Kenya. He has "PUBLICLY" spoken out against the practice of colorism.
#4--his visit to his family in Kenya, and their horrible POVERTY made a major impact on the way he sees things. He feels that his service should be to the under-served "equally" to all others and his record in Illinois bears that out.
#5--Obama's wife, Michelle. Her time has come.
*I would like to see RobynMarie's response to the FACTS that Yvette posted, since Robyn has expressed so much negativity for a man who is more in tune with her issues than the other candidates are.
SADLY...because Obama IS black...he can't run around "broadcasting" just how BLACK he really is, and it's very telling that no matter which way he does things----people make excuses for not even listening and knowing the facts.
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Abm
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Kola,
That's why I've referred to it a defeatist slave mentality. Because, really, I can NOT in good, clear conscience see how Black foks can acquaint themselves with how Barack has actually conducted his life & business and pop off some bvllshyt about supporting Hillary Clinton or John Edward.
Btw: How much did Edwards get accomplished in his, what, TWO years in ANY form of elective office? What's was Edwards actual RECORD of community involvement? How many poor, downtrodden Black foks did Edward defend while he was making MILLIONS as a shyster attorney? |
Abm
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Kola,
You apparently were right and I wrong: There apparently is no shortage of kneegrows willing to shine, coon & bootlick Obama out of a shot at the White House. |
Mzuri
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PEOPLE AREN'T GOING TO VOTE FOR OBAMA
JUST BECAUSE HE'S A BLACK MAN.
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Kola_boof
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ABM:
I mean, exactly what IS John Edwards RECORD? We already know he voted to fund Bush's fiasco in Iraq. What has he actually DONE about prisons, issues of Black and female advancement, poverty, drug interdiction, etc. And I'm not just talking about campaign speeches. I'm talking about his RECORD.
Thank you for that. I would love people to answer that question.
IMO---his wife should be running, not him.
And incidentally...I HAVE supported Edwards in the past, just as I endorsed Hillary Clinton. I'm not against them---BUT OBAMA IS BETTER and the ONLY reason peeps on here aren't supporting him is because...he's so-called black.
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Abm
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Kola,
ELIZABETH Edwards appears to be a BRILLIANT woman. I wish she'd stepped out from behind that nimrod husband of hers and get a slot in Congress or something to position herself for a run at the White House.
Because I if she had solid record of advocacy, law making/enforcing, I'd SERIOUSLY consider voting for HER. |
Kola_boof
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No Mzuri,
The only reason you won't be
supporting Obama is BECAUSE
he's a Black man.
(Photo of Mzuri)
So don't even spout that
bullshit.
You're a Republican "yellow rose of Texas"
who looks down her nose at Black Folk
worse than COSBY does, so it's laughable
that you and Miss Tonya are so in synch
on Obama's unworthiness, being as how
you can't stand poor blacks and voted
for BUSH.
You are such a fu/cking monstrosity of
"2/faced-ness" and NI66ER-DOM it's not
even funny.
You don't like OBAMA 'cause he's BLACK
and got the nerve to think he can be
the President.
Sorry, ABM...I can't stand that
BI-T-CH....sometimes I just have to
sock the shit out of her crusty
evil ass.
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Cynique
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Oh, now after his name calling snit ABM is looking for "courtesy". snort. And when is he going to give others the courtesy of backing up his irrational unproven claims about Hillary Clinton. And he is not only being presumptuous about how he thinks we should elect a president, he is being highly opinionated. And since no one is trying to persuade him into voting for someone other than Obama, they don't have an obligation to provide him with reasons why they might be leaning toward someone else. Or is anybody saying Barak won't make a great president inspite of the fact that ABM is about to pee on himself over the idea that someone might dare entertain such a notion. It should always be kept in mind that either the "man" makes the office, or the office makes the "man" and it's what happens after a candidate takes office, not before. ABM seems to have a difficult time realizing that everybody is not a partisan like he is and that others are free thinkers, still making up their minds since the Democratic convention is months away. BTW, although he didn't vote for the war in Iraq, Barak's chomping at the bit to start some shit with Iran. And I guess ol kola would be equally appalled if, dear me, Clarence Thomas was running for president and all blacks weren't supporting him! And ABM's old slave mentality excuse is so played out. His falling back on that is just like kola accusing anybody who doesn't worship her as being jealous. watta twosome. |
Robynmarie
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Abm-I, like most people, want to be as knowledgeable as possible before making up my mind as to whom to vote for. 2008 will be a historic election. Why would you assume otherwise?
You are probably more familiar with BO than others. Good for you. Millions like me want to "get to know him." I learned a long time ago, "all that glitters is not gold."
I was at USC in Novemeber when BO spoke mostly one-liners and sound bites. (Nothing of substance; he is gorgeous though).
Today, I did a Google search on Obama and I found a breakdown of his votes/quotes. It stated that BO is against three strikes and in favor of rehabilitation of inmates. This was good news to my eyes. In fact, many of his views/opinions mirror Hillary's. There seems very little difference...Hillary of course did vote for the Iraq war. BO has always been opposed. Sadly, though, BO is quoted as being in favor of bombing IRAN, which tells me he is of a chicken hawk in sheep's clothing.
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Kola_boof
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Yeah, but Cynique.
ABM and I have always been so much smarter
and more in tune with "today" than you are.
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Mzuri
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Krusty
Offensive
Lamentable
Ashy Ass Wy-n-ch!!!
Who in the fukc are you calling crusty, when you're the epitome of crust and dried up camel cum.
And BTW, this is the U.S.A. and I pay T.A.X.E.S. and so I can be R.E.P.U.B.L.I.C.A.N. and I can vote for whomever the fukc I choose.
That is MY RIGHT!!!
You stupid batpussybreath AFRICAN •••••!!!
http://www.thumperscorner.com/discus/messages/7242/5700.html#POST28136
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Kola_boof
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Excuse me RobynMarie---but why shouldn't IRAN be bombed with what they're threatening to do?
And WHY is "Iran" more important than 3 Strikes, Black Prisons, the Black Inner City Poor and everything else that Obama has been crusading for?
REGARDLESS WHO GETS IN THE WHITE HOUSE----if IRAN keeps threatening to use Nuclear warfare on Israel (as it has done quite openly)---then they will be BOMBED, and as a Black African, I for one can't fu/cking wait!
Black WOMEN will be throwing parties all over the Eastern African landscape---not that Black AMERICAN Women give a damn about what is done daily to us Black African women in the Arab world.
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Abm
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Robynmarie,
Do your thang. |
Robynmarie
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Fo sho! |
Abm
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Kola,
Let’s recap some:
Initially, Robynmarie kicked up a HUGE fuss about how she could NEVER support a candidate who was not active about trying to address the imprisonment of Blacks.
But then when Yvettep CLEARLY presents that Obama has a sparkling record of addressing the unfairness of prisons, Robynmarie moved to asserting that his record is congruent with that of Hillary's YET Robynmarie provide no evidence that Hillary has the record for helping Black prisoners – which, again, is MOST important to garnering Robynmarie’s vote - that Obama has.
And I noticed how now that Robynmarie can't question Barack attempts to help prisoners, she conveniently slide into baseless inferences of his being a chickhawk just for merely promising – via a campaign speech before a prominent JEWISH group - to help protect Israel and the rest of us from Iranian agression.
It’s like when it comes to some Black foks hatin’ on Barack Obama, ANY ol' bvllshyt will do. |
Cynique
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Smart is as smart does, koladufus. And if you and ABM were so much in tune with what's going on, you'd find something better to do than to spend you entire afternoons on this board like a retired old lady of leisure like me. (And here all along I thought abm was your knight in dull armour but now you have to take on the role of Amazon warrior and shield him from the slings and arrows people who are smarter than him.pitiful) snicker. |
Kola_boof
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Cynique,
You just proved my point, deary.
I'm ONE THIRD your age--and I have
enough money, property and holdings
to sit home ALL DAY, EVERY DAY and
do whatever I want....with my time.
And I have kids just like you did.
So look who's smarter.
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Robynmarie
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Abm-
why are you assuming I will not vote for BO? I have not made up my mind. The election is almost two years away, a lot can and will happen. I just want specifics from BO as I do from all the candidates.
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Cynique
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You ain't got no commmon sense kola. You're cunning like an animal. And as much as I argue with chrishayden, ABM can't hold a candle to him intellectually or as a writer. |
Kola_boof
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ABM,
My heart breaks at the
"unfairness" that so many
people are heaping on
Obama just because they
feel frightened that a
DEMOCRAT won't get in
if he campaigns.
I disagree.
I see OBAMA and Hillary
ending up as running mates
either way it goes---and
that MIGHT prove to be the
most powerful chance of winning
that they have.
But yeah, I have to
RE-Post you wrote, because
RobynMarie is just baffling.
Kola,
Let’s recap some:
Initially, Robynmarie kicked up a HUGE fuss about how she could NEVER support a candidate who was not active about trying to address the imprisonment of Blacks.
But then when Yvettep CLEARLY presents that Obama has a sparkling record of addressing the unfairness of prisons, Robynmarie moved to asserting that his record is congruent with that of Hillary's YET Robynmarie provide no evidence that Hillary has the record for helping Black prisoners – which, again, is MOST important to garnering Robynmarie’s vote - that Obama has.
And I noticed how now that Robynmarie can't question Barack attempts to help prisoners, she conveniently slide into baseless inferences of his being a chickhawk just for merely promising – via a campaign speech before a prominent JEWISH group - to help protect Israel and the rest of us from Iranian agression.
It’s like when it comes to some Black foks hatin’ on Barack Obama, ANY ol' bvllshyt will do.
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Tonya
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Damn, Abm. I go away and come back and all of a sudden it's all this bullshit. Why we got to be "coon kneegrows with a defeatist slave mentality"?? Damn. That’s a little tough don’t you think? I mean, has it occurred to you that we're not even 3 mos into the election? Yet you’re the one supporting The Black Man JUST BECAUSE HE’S BLACK! Cuz we ain‘t DOWN ‘less we voting BROWN. ...Sounds like a niggger to me.
And here you go with this RECORD again. What’s your point? Don’t you know how EASY it is to access this information? Google it! |
Cynique
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ABM's arguments have degenerated into desperate emotional blathering. There's no logic or reason to what he resorts to in order to prevent blasphemy from being committed against his idol Barak Obama. |
Kola_boof
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I'm sorry,
But considering the history
and reality of this world...
I can certainly understand
why a proud Black husband/father like ABM
(someone whose image is NEVER represented
in the media unless it's negative or hateful),
mind you....
would rejoice in seeing a proud Black father
and husband like Obama Barak run for President
and "partly" want to support that person just
because of that.
I think that EVERY Black person in the United
States...in some "small part" she have those
feelings, as it's only natural considering all
the bullshit racism and exclusion we as a people
face in this country.
And frankly, as a "black female"....if it would
bring a smile and pride to the face of Black men
like ABM to see their image in a position of respect and authority for a change---then I would gladly fight for that. I think those Black men who really love our people deserve it. I really do, and I would like MY SONS to have the image of Obama and Michelle.
Why wouldn't I????
Answer that.
Why wouldn't I want my sons to have the
image of Obama and Michelle?
SO YES...because Obama is black...is 1 reason
along with many others that I support him.
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Mzuri
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Name The Other Reasons You'll Be Voting For Obama Klueless Kola.
Because As Usual You Sound Like You're Talking Out Of Your Ass.
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Kola_boof
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Well, here's Proof
that it's YOU who's
talking out their
ass, as usual.
On this very thread...
I already listed the REASONS
I'm supporting Obama.
RE-POSTED 4 dumb-ass:
The REASON that I'm supporting him is
#1--he wrote in his autobiography that he's FOR the POOR and the downtrowden, he identifies with the underdogs in life.
#2--David Geffen dropped a very long association with the Clintons to back Obama. Geffen is a huge supporter of liberal Black causes, but is never embraced by AAs because he's "flaming" homosexual. Still, he's a POWERFUL advocate.
#3--Like my birth father, Obama suffered terrible identity issues and did drugs and other self-destructive things....which brought him to realize "COLORISM" and how it was destroying "his people" (he strongly identifies with blackness), and he DELIBERATELY sought "black women" that he felt could "regenerate" him---it was also important to him to take a black bride to his family in Kenya. He has "PUBLICLY" spoken out against the practice of colorism.
#4--his visit to his family in Kenya, and their horrible POVERTY made a major impact on the way he sees things. He feels that his service should be to the under-served "equally" to all others and his record in Illinois bears that out.
#5--Obama's wife, Michelle. Her time has come.
*I would like to see RobynMarie's response to the FACTS that Yvette posted, since Robyn has expressed so much negativity for a man who is more in tune with her issues than the other candidates are.
SADLY...because Obama IS black...he can't run around "broadcasting" just how BLACK he really is, and it's very telling that no matter which way he does things----people make excuses for not even listening and knowing the facts.
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Cynique
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You started your last post out by saying you're "sorry", kola. And if you were "smart" you would've stopped there. Nothing you went on to say was compelling or new; it was just a sentimental rehasing of one side of a multi-facted ongoing debate that is a healthy example of democracy at work because it's about citizens having the right to exercise their freedom of choice. But numbskulls like you are apparently unable to comprehend this. |
Mzuri
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Klusterfucked Kola,
Do you honestly believe that I have time to
read all the bullshit your stupid ass posts.
Or that I'm even interested?????????????????
I'm doing other things between posting, I
have a business to run, phone calls to make,
payments to acknowledge.
Unlike you, I'm actually able to multi-task.
And BTW, when you do more than one thing
at a time it's referred to as multi-tasking -
not as having multiple lives.
Dumb bithc!!!
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Dahomeyahosi
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Kola,
I read what you wrote about the Sudanese not knowing how "poor" they are in your autobiography. I can fully relate because I grew up very financially poor but never knew how "unfortunate" I was.
What intrigues me is the characteristic in people like Aayan that actually allows them to see the flaws in the society in which they live and speak out against it. I'm not sure who is more deviant...Ayaan or the silent women who are there own worst enemies. One reason I have trouble having sympathy for these women or even considering them oppressed is because of what you said....they are so complicit in their own misery that it leads me to believe they actually deserve it. Does that make sense? You essentially stated that misery is normalcy for them. This is insanity at its most basic isn't it?
I feel the same way towards the Beninese who do not protest when they knew that our president was accepting French nuclear waste to be improperly buried in the neighborhoods of his political opponents. Harriet Tubman said "I could have freed so many more, had they only known they were slaves." You echoed this in your response. Sometimes I think people who can actually live as slaves/oppressed individuals lack a basic sort of intelligence. But then again I have to also wonder what oppressions I am allowing to be perpetrated on myself. And the answers are not always comforting. |
Kola_boof
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Yeah, they do deserve it.
Religious Superstition imprisons these people, Dahomeyhosi. They don't know anything else, and it's actually no different over there than in the U.S. I see the same pathology amongst women here, but in different ways.....for instance....the fact that 90% of Black women in America have their hair weaved/permed/straight is the SAME pathology, just a milder acting out.
I see a "conked" head as equal to a "cut" vagina.
You are right about "slaves"----they are INFERIOR, which is why they are slaves in the first place. And a GREAT DEAL of "Africa" is over run with "inferior" people.
We have to acknowledge that before we can change it.
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Mzuri
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I see a "conked" head as equal to a "cut" vagina.
Wrong as usual African ding-a-ling. U.S. Black women style their hair of their own choosing. Genital mutilation is forced. Those are two completely different burdens and are beyond compare.
I swear - the more you post the dumber you get.
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Abm
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Robynmarie & Tonya,
I've read and have studied what the candidates positions are. Have you?
Do yourselves a favor and do some reading and analyzing. Formulate a clear, cogent and SUPPORTABLE position. And then maybe we can have a somewhat productive discussion on the issue of who should be elected president.
Because what's become blantantly clear to me is that we're NOT having a discussion at equivalent peer levels.
Kola,
Kola: "Why wouldn't I want my sons to have the image of Obama and Michelle? SO YES...because Obama is black...is 1 reason along with many others that I support him."
From the inception of this country, White foks - particularly White MEN - have been looking out for each other. They've wrought and consolidated their power, glorified their name and image and have wrecked havoc upon Black people in the process. And they've so utterly and completely overwhelmed the minds and spirits of Black foks that we foolishly impart strictures and burdens upon each other we wouldn't even THINK about imposing on Whites and other non-Black foks.
White foks don't have to ask and declare what you have here. Because, hell, they do that sh*t as easily as they breathe.
I'm not really trying to convince those I've debated here of anything. Because for me to fairly do so would require their being willing to observe some basic rules of logic and reason they've thus far proven themselves incapable of.
I'm just hoping that the majority of foks who see but do not post can used what's presented here as basis to more rationally consider the criteria they use to vote for a president. |
Robynmarie
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No, I haven't read the all the candidates positions on all the issues. Since the election is not until November 2008, I figure I will have plenty of time to make up my mind. Thanks for asking. |
Abm
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Robynmarie,
Remember to read... |
Kola_boof
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The PRIMARIES come before the election
in November 2008.
Either way it goes....OBAMA is fighting
for a place on the ticket.
He may well end up as the Vice Presidential
candidate.
And this is why I don't understand the
people's hostility towards him even running.
Is he not good enough to be on the ticket
AT ALL?????
I mean would it be wrong to elect a WOMAN
and a BLACK WOMAN at the same time or is that
too much innovation all at once????
I admit, it could be as far as America
is concerned.
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Robynmarie
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Abm-
I just don't understand why you assume people would not read up on a politician before voting. I find that assumption very disturbing...
Why do you expect everyone should have made up their minds this early? Why? Even staunch supporters understand anything could happen between now and 11/08. For example, what if another 9/11 or Katrina type event occurs and the candidates have to show their true colors?
I don't know anyone who blindly goes to the polls and votes for someone they know nothing about. I do know people who thought they had their minds made up and changed because of a turn of events... |
Abm
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Kola,
I think it would be a HUGE mistake for Obama to be Clinton's running mate. He's still very young. So if he loses the primary, his best bet is to chill, stack up some victories in the Senate, garner markers via helping other Dems get/stay in office and prepare for a another run in 2012.
Robynmarie,
We'll see... |
Cynique
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What an arrogant attempt at self-anointment. In other words ABM has perfected the fool-proof formula for assessing a presidential candidate. Do as he says, and you can't go wrong. He knows who should be elected president because he can look into the future and tell how a person will perform in this office,(using as a yard stick that which reinforces a choice heavily influenced by his own emotions.) Never mind taking into consideration how the office can change a man and power can corrupt him and campaign promises aren't worth the paper they're printed on. Ignore the fact that this happens all the time or how history has shown that the presidency is not a job that you can rehearse for and unpredictablity is the only predictable thing about a president's term of office. And - moving right along with the ABM doctrine, avoid going with your gut feelings or your own observations. Just rely totally on the printed word and the past record. And of course, forming personal opinons are taboo because they are the ear marks of a independent thinker. One must read only the lines and not what's between them. Also be sure when you anaylyse the candidates to abandon your objectivity and make certain that they don't have white skin. Also make a point to psycho-analyse everybody who opposes you because there are "coons" with a "slave mentality". And be sure to make irrational unproven remarks about the candidates who you don't like. This, folks, is the personal credo of ABM, the logic of somebody who is clueless about the variables and flux in the scheme of things or how when a person goes one-on-one with a voting machine all of this shit goes out the window. But it's the best ABM can do. This is his comfort zone so humor him, but if you want to debate him just know what to expect. |
Mzuri
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ABM should drop everything and go volunteer at Obama For Wannabe President Headquarters. And he should take his bithc with him.
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Kola_boof
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Mzuri,
I just LOVE being ABM's bittch.
One of them at least.
When he pees in my face, it really is
an annointment and I feel so grateful.
When he bangs a gap between my legs,
I cry with praise and I make him promise
to pull out just before ejaculation---and
CUM in my face.
I wish he'd let me work the corner and
pay some of his bills---but he says that's
too tacky.
I love being one of ABM's bitches.
I kiss his feet every morning.
BECAUSE....DADDY GOT IT LIKE THAT.
Don't hate.
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Cynique
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I bet ABM and Kola look like 2 snakes with their tails in each others mouths, EU. Guess why? heh-heh. |
Abm
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Kola,
Girl! You're going to get my a$$ KILLED!!
Hahahahaha!!! |
Yvettep
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I just don't understand why you assume people would not read up on a politician before voting. I find that assumption very disturbing...
Robynmarie: I agree. I have always been a little bit of a geek when it comes to following major elections. (Though, I am ashamed to say, not so much about off-presidential year elections until recently.) But I think there are many people who do not conduct research in the way that you seem to be talking about. A candidate just strikes a chord with them, or they always vote a straight Dem or Rep ticket, or they go by what they receive from the evening news, whatever.
As much as I may hate that idea, I think it is crucial for our Democracy that folks who are entitled to vote be entitled to vote for whatever reasons they may have--rational or not. So, I support someone's right to support Obama "just because he's Black" as well as someone else's right to support someone else because he's not "Black enough." Otherwise we may run into a slippery slope of educational requirements or "poll tests" or whatever--and we can all guess who that would disenfranchise.
Having said that, I think it is also crucial for us to keep encouraging citizens to do some research, or join with trusted others who can split up the job.
I am probably being naive here: Is it even possible these days with focus groups and speech writers and "spin doctors" and whatnot to even get an accurate view of what candidates stand for?
anything could happen between now and 11/08.
This is also something I can agree with. Hey, I stopped following baseball because the season is just too daggon long! If I can't manage that, I definitely am gonna have a hard time with these 3-year presidential campaigns! LOL
But seriously, one thing I have decided about my mid-life (recall: 40 is the new 20 ) is that I am trying to be less of a passive voter and more of an active political participant. That means I am trying to do less watching by the sidelines and then casting my vote. So that means that, although "anything can happen," I am trying to be more about helping to make things happen. And sometimes that means taking a leap of faith before I have all the facts in.
Anyway, I hope we can continue to have political discussions on this forum. I am learning a lot from hearing different views. This election season seems particularly emotionally laden for many of us, but that doesn't mean we can't talk and still disagree sometimes. (I hope...LOL) |
Cynique
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What you and Robymarie are saying is so full clarity and truth, Yvette. It's hard to understand why it doesn't register with the person who calls himself "logical". tsk-tsk. |
Tonya
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Research is definitely good. But to suggest that all one need to do is research, that's giving out bad information, especially if you're only prescribing one particular kind of research. Politicians vote the way their constituents expect them to vote. And when the political climate changes, their vote or platform--or both--usually changes along with the political climate. Plus a lot of them have virtually identical records.
So to go SOLEY by a record is ridiculous because that alone doesn't always distinguish one candidate from another.
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Abm
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Tonya,
First. If you haven't even invested the time into KNOWING significant parts of a politicians record, you've not done much better than if you'd avoided voting altogether.
Because if you DON'T know what they're inclined to do, and their record is the clearest evidence of what one's inclined to do, WTF are you voting on/for?
Still. WHO'S suggested one should voted SOLELY on a politician's record?
WHO?
Both Kola and I provided listing of reasons why we were supporting Obama that include elements/issues that do NOT specifically refer to his record.
And, btw, I still waiting on your providing a similar listing. Because, given the energy you invested in debating this issue, surely you must have SOME basis for determining HOW you will vote. |
Tonya
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...That's what you seem to be incapable of getting through your thick nappy big head. MOST PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHO OR "HOW" THEY WILL VOTE. I might •••• around and vote republican, shit, I don't know. Which is fine cuz we're not even 3 MOS INTO THE PRIMARIES. HELLOOOOO!!! Somebody needs to keep repeating this to you so you'll finally GET IT. And I missed the latest list of reasons you're referring to, I think. Still, I just don't know why an intelligent guy like you appears to have his mind all made up. But to each their own. |
Tonya
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quote:First. If you haven't even invested the time into KNOWING significant parts of a politicians record, you've not done much better than if you'd avoided voting altogether. Because if you DON'T know what they're inclined to do, and their record is the clearest evidence of what one's inclined to do, WTF are you voting on/for?
But you ignorantly assume that people don’t KNOW these things except you; and this makes you look like an arrogant dickhead, a pompous asshole, and an ignant niggger. And an ignant niggger you are not, so it’s sad and painful to watch. You ARE an arrogant dickhead and a pompous asshole though. LOLOLOL!!!! I CAN-NOT lie about that. |
Abm
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Tonya,
I'm supporting Obama, for now. If, however, something happens that diminishes my perception of his being best suited amongst all the candidate to effectively lead the country, I'll SERIOIUSLY reconsider my position.
Now. Leave me and my dyckhead alone. Because you are NOWHERE near prepared to handle fuhking with EITHER of us. |
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