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Tonya
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A Low-Down Crying Shame
Why the myth of the "on the Down Low" brother refuses to die.
By Ta-Nehisi Coates Posted Friday, March 9, 2007, at 7:32 AM ET
Charles Divins as Chad Harris on NBC's Passions.
Even in the far-fetched world of daytime drama, the soap Passions is known for its dalliances with the surreal. The show has featured witches, ghosts, mermaids, and, most shockingly, a strong cast of Latino and black actors. As Passions enters its final season, you'd expect black fans to be up in arms at the impending demise of daytime's rainbow coalition. But more than the show's death, what's raising the hackles of Passions' black viewership is the recent revelation that one of its leading men, Chad Harris, is on the Down Low.
Meet the cultural phenomenon that makes epidemiologists groan and writers grin. "On the Down Low" is the term for a black man who is in a committed relationship with a woman and nevertheless sleeps with men. In 2004, as HIV rates for black women spiked to appallingly high levels, the Down Low became the media's culprit of choice for African-American AIDS rates. The hype spread thanks to a slew of ill-conceived newspaper and magazine stories (like this one), and J.L. King's tell-all memoir, On the Down Low, which sold 140,000 copies and got King on Oprah, where he exposed his membership in this bacchanal sect.
The Down Low theory, as an overarching explanation for the spread of HIV, has been debunked several times over (see here and to greater effect here). Last week, an article in the Annals of Epidemiology took the measure of available research in the field and concluded that "the DL was neither new nor limited to blacks and sufficient data linking it to HIV/AIDS disparities currently are lacking." Researchers don't deny the existence of closeted black men in committed relationships with women or that some of these men infect their spouses. But they're skeptical about the Down Low as a primary explanation for the high rates of HIV among black women. And they also don't think black men in relationships with women are more likely than other men to have closeted sex with men.
And yet the Myth of the Down Low Brother persists. Last month, Bill Duke began filming a feature-length movie about an upper-middle-class family man living on the Down Low. MTV producer Terrance Dean is working on a memoir about his invisible life in which he allegedly exposes rappers who've gone Ted Haggard. There's even a trio of safety manuals: 20 Warning Signs of Down Low Brothers, On the Up and Up: A Survival Guide for Women Living with Men on the Down Low, and My Husband Is on the Down Low ... and I Know About It.
In the face of all the skeptical science, why is the belief in the Down Low menace so entrenched? For starters, there's the phraseology, which hints at some carnal secret society, and is catchy to boot. It also helps that the Down Low is the sort of threat that white commentators of all political stripes like to condemn. Conservatives get to disparage black people's inherent amorality (a band of men is endangering their families to have sex with other deceptive men), liberals can attack our inherent homophobia (the black community is so thuggish that the men can't even admit to being gay), and everyone gets to agree that black America is, in a nutshell, a nuthouse. In short, shaking your head over the DL is the perfect way to shake your head over how awful it is to be black.
More surprising is that black people have lapped up the Down Low story as much as white people. That's because, beneath its veneer of media-bestowed respectability, the Down Low is essentially a conspiracy theory. I grew up at a time when the more hysterical among us argued that the KKK manufactured the soft drink Mystic, the government concocted AIDS, and Norplant was a clever attempt at genocide. The most virulent conspiracy theory involved the "Willie Lynch Speech," a document which allegedly spells out the means and tactics that white slaveholders used to keep their property divided and docile. The speech is a myth, a creation myth, that gives a clear and singular explanation for the plight of black America.
The Down Low is an equally powerful narrative that also fits well within the larger story of our Great Fall. The basic idea is that before 1968, black people were a noble, harried Christian race, but since then we've gone completely Gomorrah. How else to explain that nearly two generations after the Civil Rights movement, blacks still rank dead last in nearly every socioeconomic category of note. The formulas and complex variables of science simply don't deploy with the same power as good old-fashioned conspiracy.
The perpetuation of myths has consequences, though. The Annals of Epidemiology report warned that emphasizing the DL could "exacerbate already high rates of HIV/AIDS" by further stigmatizing a population already under siege and (perhaps more directly) could "confuse and divert the next generation of researchers." When myths start to seem like accepted truths, they affect the assumptions and questions scientists may ask.
I'm more worried about the next generation of black people. The DL simply adds to the distrust that haunts relationships between black men and black women. In the black community, there is an underlying—and somewhat justifiable—feeling that black men have never really been men. During slavery, we didn't prevent plantation rape. Under Jim Crow, we couldn't secure fair housing and income. And today, seemingly freed of racial tyranny, we all too frequently become criminals and delinquent fathers. Tax-paying, law-abiding black men don't need the added weight of pseudoscience and mythology. The truth is already hard enough to bear.
Ta-Nehisi Coates is a writer in New York.
Article URL: http://www.slate.com/id/2161452/
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Mzuri
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Let's see. The fact that so many of our brothers are on the down low is a myth. But the statistics confirming that there is an HIV/AIDS epidemic in the Black community (and that down low brothers have contributed to it) is not a myth. So now we have another problem - distinguishing the real myth from the real fake myth. Hmmmm. I think that I'll need to think on that for a while.
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Schakspir
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T.N.C.: "In the black community, there is an underlying—and somewhat justifiable—feeling that black men have never really been men. During slavery, we didn't prevent plantation rape. Under Jim Crow, we couldn't secure fair housing and income. And today, seemingly freed of racial tyranny, we all too frequently become criminals and delinquent fathers. Tax-paying, law-abiding black men don't need the added weight of pseudoscience and mythology. The truth is already hard enough to bear."
Schakspir: I hate to say it, but in a way they're not. "At the risk of arousing resentment among my colored bretheren, I would like to say that the black man is not a man."--Frantz Fanon. As "natives" we have not really been allowed the luxury of being complete men. This is something that only comes with decolonization. WE are colonized--from within.
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Tonya
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...interesting |
Abm
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All this concern and consternation over whether or not Black men are boning other men belies the FACT that proper, consistent condom use and HIV testing greatly reduces one's chances of acquiring AIDS. |
Yukio
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right. cuz, heterosexual brothas are too known not to wear their jimmies! |
Abm
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Yukio,
And do you think the sistas might ever discover there's been a FEMALE condom available for public consumption for well over 10 years now? |
Kola_boof
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Add me to the list
of those who believe the
so called "Down Low" is
a total lie made up by
the White Media.
I do KNOW for a fact that
we have "bisexual" men in the
black community, who for fear
of alienation and violence and
just plain SELF-LOATHING choose
to pretend they're straight
....but we DO NOT have any more
black men doing this than there are
WHITE MEN and LATINO MEN and ASIAN MEN
doing it.
What we DO HAVE...is a "hip hop" sex
culture
that tells every black male that he's
not a REAL MAN until he's got "10 bitches"
----and because of that mentality (see Ray J)
and the BET VIDEO COUNTDOWN----we have
an AIDS epidemic as Black males compete
to be the #1 pussy tagger on a scale much
more than other races of men would be
comfortable with.
In our community, it's a badge of honor
for a THUG to be a bed hopping "PIMP-HO",
and that is why we've got all this AIDS
going around.
THERE IS NO DOWN LOW---I see White
men, Asian men and Latino Men being
just as "booty-N-the-dark" as I see
black men.
And it's the TRAN/GIRLS who most
straight
men f/uck with more than anything
else.
#1--If it "looks" like a pretty woman &
can give a mean BJ in back of 7-Eleven for FREE,
then "straight" men will TELL THEMSELVES
it's a woman (knowing it's not) and get their dick sucked.
Men are "VISUAL CREATURES"---they can get off
on anything that LOOKS GOOD, and they will
"suspend reality" for a minute to get sucked
off by a TRANNY who looks like Selma Hayeck.
#2--A lot of men have sex with those "girls"
not realizing that they're not female.
And #3
If there's a "Down Low" going on in
the black community.....it's BLACK WOMEN
who are sneaking around, because they can't
get men...and are having sex with other women
IN RECORD NUMBERS NOWADAYS---"Straight BW"
are the ones creeping around pretending to
be lesbian. I ought to write a whole essay
on that one subject alone, because it's
gotten to be an epidemic where I see all these
gorgeous SINGLE young black women hugged up
on other girls because there's no men---OR--
they've figured out that they can get more
EMOTIONALLY and committment-wise from being with a woman.
And in California,
OH MY GOD...
(you've heard me complain about
the black men out here refusing to
date black women---it's RARE to see
a Black couple unless you're on Crenshaw)
...but
the "MEXICAN" men are getting
more "lonely black pussy" than KOTEX, I swear to God.
It's an EPIDEMIC out here. I get can't go into town without 10 to 15 Latino "Papis" per trip
OPENLY grabbing, calling me "cocoa beauty", slipping me phone numbers---and that's because they are getting MAD black pussy out here--NO DATE, NO TALKING, NO NOTHING---they just take these lonely SINGLE black women and •••• them and the women are so "untouched/desperate" they creep out at night for it.
It's the new "Clubbing" out here, only there's no club. They just go meet in "car lots" where they have these COCOA GIRL PARTIES and it's nothing but DOZENS of black women being surrounded by Mexican men----and will admit, those are some FINE, SEXY motherfuckers.
I will admit that.
But I feel so ashamed and SAD for young black
women today.
Getting shanked by a "DICK" is not love,
and most of these girls are from fatherless
homes---they see BM on t.v. worshipping everything but a black girl----SO THEY DON'T
EVEN KNOW WHAT LOVE IS. You can't explain it to them.
They think being LUSTED after by a "lying" CHARMING Mexican hunk is something "special".
It's so tragic.
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Abm
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Kola,
You know, the OTHER side of the notion of hip-hop men wanting to bed 10 b*tches is there being LOTS of sistas willingly accomodating them.
Whether it's brothas on the DL or brothas bangin' a dozen chicks and/or trannies, that's still irrelevant to why HIV is spreading: Foks not using condoms and other safe-sex methods and foks not getting tested.
Until there's a major upswing in those 2, it won't matter WHO is or isn't spreading the disease.
But I agree down low LESBIANISM is HERE...and it's SPREADING.
The Mexicans are retaking California. And, apparently, we're not going to do anything about that. So perhaps most self-respecting Black women should seriously consider getting the HELL up out of Los Angeles. |
Kola_boof
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Your whole post...spoken like a true sexist pig. 
I'm not even about to analyze it with, ABM,
since I like sexist pigs.
Just ask DESTINED to go over it with you. I'm sure she'll sigh and let it by, too.
**sigh**
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Abm
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Kola,
Funny. My wife says her bestfriends likes my being so sexist because it reminds her of what it's like to be in the presense of a man. |
Kola_boof
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Yeah, whip us, daddy.
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Abm
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Only if you've been...good. |
Cynique
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Franz Fanon has spoken! Remarks from the peanut gallery amount to little more than the inane chattering of clueless simians. LMAO |
Schakspir
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Kola: ....but we DO NOT have any more
black men doing this than there are
WHITE MEN and LATINO MEN and ASIAN MEN
doing it.
Schakspir: Read Joe Orton's Diary. Joe Orton was a gay British playright who was murdered by his companion back in 1967. The main reason why was because Joe was out philandering in public toilets with so-called "straight" men, 99% of whom were white and British like him. In one lurid passage he even describes a "down-low" orgy taking place in a public toilet(in England).
The proper term for "down-low" is closet homosexual, or just "in the closet". |
Kola_boof
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Thank you for backing me, Schakspir.
Another reason the White Media is perpetuating this story is because they are hoping to SCARE WHITE WOMEN out of sleeping freely with Black men.
That's a HUGE part of the reason this lie is being told on black men.
Though I have criticized black men, I always do so from a Cultural-Strategic-Sociological "mother" position.
I don't do it because I hate black men or wish to hurt them.
To the contrary--I don't like the LIES that are spread about black men when it's a "lie".
But that is what this "down low" frenzy is created for---to BRAND ALL BLACK MEN with one more stigma of why they're no good and "evil".
I wish that Black women would honestly get their heads out of the sand on this issue and stop being "dumb asses" (as black women are notorious for being---the still think having a "college degree" means something to a man looking for a woman) and start "accounting" all the REAL fukc-king that's going on in our communities....because it's not "gay sex" that's giving STRAIGHT BLACKS AIDS.
A lot of it is pure WHORE-DOM...just like in Africa.
It's the fact that we like to show off our "big cock" and "big bootylicious" butts more than we do our brains.
Blacks are ••••-ing like RABBITS in our communities because they have no "self-worth" and nothing else to "achieve"...but what they see on BET MUSIC VIDEOS or hear on the radio.
A man feels like a "MAN" when he's poked 10 girls in one week, and as ABM said, our females's Psyche and Self-esteem is such that they feel GRATEFUL to get jabbed (it's temporary affection, it's a "high").
Notice...we don't have any "black love stories" streaming 24 hours a day.
LOVE is something we reserve for other races. For each other---we got the heat.
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Latina_wi
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KOLA BOOF: What we DO HAVE...is a "hip hop" sex
culture
that tells every black male that he's
not a REAL MAN until he's got "10 bitches"
----and because of that mentality (see Ray J)
and the BET VIDEO COUNTDOWN----we have
an AIDS epidemic as Black males compete
to be the #1 pussy tagger on a scale much
more than other races of men would be
comfortable with.
In our community, it's a badge of honor
for a THUG to be a bed hopping "PIMP-HO",
and that is why we've got all this AIDS
going around.
Though you think I am a white luvvin' mongrel Kola credit where it is due - I agree with the above |
Kola_boof
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Latina_wi,
I DO NOT think you're a "white lov'n mongrel".
LOL!!!!
What I think is that you are a part of me and obviously care about black people's feelings and that you're a PRINCESS--a light skinned version of me.
I have women like you ALL THROUGH my books---and they're heroines who write about because I love them.
I wish you could read my actual work, because what I THINK ....is so incredibly complicated.
I certainly don't think ill of you at all.
It's just that I'm at War, Latina, to save myself as a black woman. And no one is there to fight for me.
Women like you USUALLY support the establishment, the black man and the white woman.
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Abm
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Kola: "It's the fact that we like to show off our "big cock" and "big bootylicious" butts more than we do our brains."
That's 'cause mofo's have to do a lot more WORK to score some brains than they must do to acquire "big cock" and "big bootylicious" butts. In fact, to acquire the latter, one needs to do hardly anything at all. |
Abm
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Kola: "Another reason the White Media is perpetuating this story is because they are hoping to SCARE WHITE WOMEN out of sleeping freely with Black men...That's a HUGE part of the reason this lie is being told on black men."
I agree the White male media is trying to scare White chicks from boning brothas. I mean, when you have a +12,000 word article about alleged down low Black men featured in the New York Times, it's pretty dayam CLEAR WHAT message mofos are attempting to distribute and to WHOM the message is intended. |
Ntfs_encryption
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"I agree the White male media is trying to scare White chicks from boning brothas."
Well, it ain't working, that's for sure. I talked to my cousin yesterday and I asked her about a story she told me a few years ago. When was living in Peoria, Ill, she told me she was driving her car one day and almost hit a stop sign when she saw a black man and black woman walking together -holding hands! She said she couldn't believe it. My response, quite naturally, was what is hard to believe about seeing a black man and black woman together? Her reply was because it was so unusual. Unusual? A black man and black woman together is unusual? Are you talking about in Iceland or am I missing something? She said it was unusual because the majority of black men are with white women and it was rare to see a BM/BW together. Now, I grilled her on that story again and she stood by by it -again.
And to push the issue, I was talking to a white female friend this past Saturday and she told me she believed the majority of black men in San Diego were with white/non-black women! WTF? I confronted her about this perception but she stood by her story also. Personally I don't believe either is statistically correct because there seems to be an extreme bias and a need to believe this skewed nonsense. But it goes to show that if there is a nefarious media attempt by white men to discourage BM/WF, it doesn't seem to be working.
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Abm
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Ntfs,
I believe there are places in this country where there are exorbinant rates of Black-White interracial dating/marriage. But over the nation as a WHOLE, there's much less of such than is often advertised.
But I think I'd agree the DL Black hysteria is NOT dissuading White chick from giving up the cQQchie to brothas.
Hell. OJ cut a White chicks HEAD OFF and still sees as much White cQQchie as your veteran gynecologist. |
Serenasailor
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You know NTFS that is a LIE and I am tired of hearing it. I went to Santa Monica Beach last night and the majority of the Black men I saw were with Black women. However, YES there was a large minority of Black men with non-Black women.
But they were in the MINORITY!!! It was the same way when I was in Hollywood the other night!!
I think that LIE is being perpetuated by scared, lonely Black women. And they have every right to feel that way. And White women who just love the attention from Black men.
I was in San Diego 2 wks ago and the majority of Black men I saw there were with Black women as well. |
Ntfs_encryption
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"You know NTFS that is a LIE and I am tired of hearing it. I went to Santa Monica Beach last night and the majority of the Black men I saw were with Black women. However, YES there was a large minority of Black men with non-Black women."
I tire of hearing it also. Like I said, it is a perception based on the need to believe (for whatever reason). Yes, there is a higher rate of interracial dating than it was twenty or thirty years ago. No doubt. But it's across all racial lines -NOT JUST BLACK MEN! Asians have the highest rate of interracial dating and marriage than any other group. I see white men with all types of different non-white females all the time. I have observed a very large increase in the number of black women with white and Latino men than I did over the past ten years!
"I think that LIE is being perpetuated by scared, lonely Black women. And they have every right to feel that way. And White women who just love the attention from Black men."
Agreed. The belief is based on groundless hysteria and easily contradicted self serving statistics of black male to black female ratios. For example, I have stated this story before, but I know of a young black woman who believes 90% of the black men in San Diego date non-black men. Yes, that's right -90%!!! It matters not what I say, she actually believes 9 of of 10 black men are with non-black women. No need to argue the point. Her horrifically inaccurate statistics speaks for itself.
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Ntfs_encryption
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"But I think I'd agree the DL Black hysteria is NOT dissuading White chick from giving up the cQQchie to brothas."
Bro, the black DL hysteria isn't stopping these white women or any other women for that matter!
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Abm
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Ntfs,
I think I read something crazy like over a THIRD of all married Asian American women have non-Asian husbands.
So if there's anybody who should be pissed about interracial coupling, it's those Asian MEN. |
Kola_boof
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Excuse me ABM---but if 30% of Black women were dating outside our race, black men wouldn't give a shit about the "majority" 70% dating IN. They'd be starting a fuc/king march and EVERY black woman would be a sell-out ni66er bi/tch HO.
You know that.
And I say FU.CK BLACK MEN!
What we truly need to do is stop telling our
daughters to wait on some anonymous black prince who thinks she's inferior in the first place....
I am SICK of the stereotypes that BM perpetuate about and AGAINST ALL black women on a regular basis.
....we need to begin PROMOTING the idea for young black girls that they can seek men outside the race as well and us, as older black women, STOP stigmatizing them.
That'll even the DATING stats, especially now that a new study shows that NON-Black males under the age of 20 have been so exposed to images of their mothers/sisters dating black men....that they are now 80% more likely to date black girls and 25% more likely to marry one than they were just 20 years ago.
I never thought about the little white boys who see white women with black dates....and now want to expand their horizons as well.
But I do see that we have a MAJOR problem in our community and I do feel that black women need to abandon this role of "backbone" and "loyalist" and stop acting as though the black man is the ONLY man on earth.
I guarantee you that if more black girls date outside their race---they'll start wearing their natural hair a lot more, because strangely enough---as the film "Something New" showed, and as I've often witnessed in bafflement----men of other races want to feel a black woman's "nappy" hair.
Black men don't.
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Abm
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Kola,
I think we're going to have to play a game of connect the dots here. Because I can't quite connect what I said about Asian chick getting their interracial swirl on to your tirade that immediate followed.
But I've said - REPEATEDLY - that sistas should date/bone/marry whomever, whatever (within the law) that float their boat.
And you KNOW I've been the most STAUNCH supporter on the site of sistas wearing their NATURAL hair. So don't you EVEN try to front on THAT one, My Creamy Chocolate Thunder. |
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 12, 2007 - 07:03 pm: |
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"Schakspir: I hate to say it, but in a way they're not. "At the risk of arousing resentment among my colored bretheren, I would like to say that the black man is not a man."--Frantz Fanon. As "natives" we have not really been allowed the luxury of being complete men. This is something that only comes with decolonization. WE are colonized--from within."
but men in what sense and according to whom? according to the eurocentric notion of manhood and gender? |
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