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Mzuri
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Post Number: 3731
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, March 04, 2007 - 01:53 pm: | 
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Video appears to show brothers, 2 and 5, smoking pot
From CNN
March 4, 2007
Link to video:
http://tinyurl.com/ynp7qm
WATAUGA, Texas (CNN) -- Police in suburban Fort Worth, Texas, said a videotape found in a search for stolen goods appears to show two teenagers persuading a 2-year-old boy and his 5-year-old brother to smoke marijuana.
Third-degree felony charges have been filed against the teenagers.
"I have never seen anything like this quite so disturbing," said Bruce Ure, director of public safety for the Watauga Police Department. "Our children count on us to protect them; these individuals did everything but protect these children."
The incident began unfolding February 22, when the Fort Worth Police Department executed a search warrant to look for stolen goods in the apartment of 17-year-old Demetris McCoy, the unemployed uncle of the two children, and 18-year-old Vanswan Polty, Ure said.
Among the items recovered was camera equipment, Ure said. Upon looking at one of the tapes, investigators came across "a session where these two males were providing marijuana" to the youngsters, he said. "They were essentially trying to get them high, laughing. The children are stumbling, falling around."
Ure said it appeared that the videotaped scene was not the boys' first such session.
The 2-year-old was holding what appeared to be a marijuana cigarette "like he's done it before," Ure said. "He's inhaling."
The boys' mother, McCoy's sister, has told police she was sleeping in the back bedroom during the incident. She has not been charged, Ure said.
Nor has another minor, who served as the cameraman, Ure said.
In the video, a man puts a cigarette into the toddler's mouth. The other boy is seen smoking without prompting.
The children have been in the custody of Child Protective Services, Ure said.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/03/04/pot.kids/index.html
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Ntfs_encryption
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Post Number: 1942
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, March 04, 2007 - 03:16 pm: |
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I'm not surprised......... |
Serenasailor
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, March 04, 2007 - 03:58 pm: |
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Why are you not surprised?? I am!!! And Manzuri this has nothing to do with Black ppl but a bunch of stupid ghetto ppl with 4th grade educations and too much time on there hands.
Are you just using this as another way to condemn Black ppl who you deem "too Black" again? What the hell does this have to do with Black ppl as a whole???
Are you using this article as a way to "shake your finger" at lower class Black ppl? I forgot you, Bill Cosby, and Juan Williams are the experts on bad Black behavior!!!
Or maybe you are going to use this as a way to excuse Racism against Black ppl like you always to!! And use this as a way to explain why you vote "Republican". And chastise us for not looking and acting like White ppl.
BTW did you guys here about the White man in Michigan who brutally murdered his wife, dismembered her body, and buried her in his back yard??
Or does this go unnoticed by the Black Upper-class??
Let me ask you is that White Family values???
Was Scott Peterson the picture of a perfect White husband?? |
Mzuri
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Post Number: 3739
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, March 04, 2007 - 04:09 pm: |
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Actually StupidSailor, I worded the title to elicit your lame commentary. And BTW - since you're probably one of those people with a fourth grade edumacation - pay attention to the following:
the possessive form of them is their and you hear with your ears.
Now to answer your question about what this has to do with Black people. Besides the obvious problem of our young Black men sitting around getting high when they ought to be doing something constructive, and the babymomma sleeping in the next room while all of this was going on, there seems to be a disturbing trend among Black people to film themselves committing crimes. Film that is subsequently used by the authorities to prosecute.
Have a nice day!
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Libralind2
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, March 04, 2007 - 04:31 pm: |
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I was appalled and sad to see this. We do NOT need these types of images AND most importantly why the HAIL did those teens think this was ok to do and film. I am OUTRAGED...It was not "cute"
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Cynique
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Post Number: 7588
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, March 04, 2007 - 04:51 pm: |
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Well, Serenasasilor, you should be gratified to know that an equal amount of news coverage was given to the capture of a white husband suspected of murdering and then dismembering his wife's body. Feel better? In the meantime, these 2 black teenagers who taped todders smoking the marajuana they gave to them should be ashamed of themselves! They are a disgrace because they give all black youth a bad name! |
Serenasailor
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, March 04, 2007 - 05:22 pm: |
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They don't give me a bad name Cynique. But then again I am a smart, educated Black man who attends school and doesn't do any drugs. So I don't live my life on "eggshells" wondering what "White" ppl think about me.
I would also "go out on a limb" and say that those Asswipes don't give the majority of Black ppl a "bad" name. If you are a Black person who is smart, educated, and gainfully employed you wouldn't worry about those images either because they don't represent you.
But let me tell you those two toddlers "faired" alot better than that "White" woman who was "hacked to pieces" by her White husband. |
Mzuri
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Post Number: 3743
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, March 04, 2007 - 05:29 pm: |
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Duh Mr. No-Edumacation. Here's today's lesson number two:
The word is "fare" not "fair"
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fare
Quit faking the funk please. You're stupid.
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Serenasailor
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Post Number: 1383
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Oh Manzuri is that all you can do is correct my spelling because you can't think of a good argument to refute me?? What a Shame!!! |
Mzuri
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, March 04, 2007 - 05:33 pm: |
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Not at all. I'm correcting your spelling because you insist on professing how "edumacated" and smart you are. Dumb •••• ing delusional liar!!! |
Lil_ze
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my question is-
can toddlers inhale?
if they don't know how to inhale then they weren't getting the full effect of the herb.
but seriously, if two black fools want to put a blunt in the mouth of two young children, and film it on top of it,
i don't think it has anything to do with "black family values.
i think it has to do with two "primates", who are on the lowest level of thought and action.
as much a i HATE to somewhat agree with serenasailor, i kind of do on this topic.
any time a few black people do something really stupid, it become a question of "black people" doing x,y, and z.
but the same is not true when white people (or any nation for that matter) do something horrible.
for the mother to be asleep when her 2 and 5 year old children are awake is shameful.
but i don't know if im willing to say this is a "trend" amongst "black people".
teenage males of ALL races in america, sit around and smoke weed.
thats not exclusive to "black teenage males".
im not sure if there's a "trend" amongst "black people" to film themselves while commiting crimes.
again, just because a handful of "black people" do something, that does not mean that there is a trend, or that most of our people are doing this.
i don't see what two fools allowing 2 and 5 year old children smoke weed, has ANYTHING to do with "new black family values". |
Cynique
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, March 04, 2007 - 06:00 pm: |
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For somebody who's always ranting abou racism and the bad impression created by black bootie shakers in videos, you are amazingly naive, Serenasailor. Negative black images made public create subliminal bias against black folks which will manifest itself in subtle ways; things like this are what spawn racial profiling and job discrimination and stereotypes. But that' s no biggie to an upstanding young man like you who probably couldn't get a cab to stop for you. |
Tonya
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, March 04, 2007 - 08:00 pm: |
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Just so you all will know. There's an even bigger trend among white teenagers filming themselves committing crimes such as beating up "street bums", even killing some, and "hazing" people including other teenagers and beating them up as well. And this has been going on for a long time now...in fact...it's old news. |
Tonya
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...and THE FACT still remains:
Young Black people do fewer drugs than white ones.
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Mzuri
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Yes, I know. But that doesn't lessen the fact that we have R Kelly filming himself pissing on a juvenile, Mystikal filming himself raping his stylist, and on and on. It's stupid regardless of who does it. Do your crime and keep it moving - don't capture the evidence for the police. As to Black youth doing less drugs, that's only because there are less Black people. If the population of the races were equivalent, Blacks would far outdo whites in the getting high department. It's not like all of our high school dropouts are out trying to get a job. No - they are hanging out at the crib or on the corner doing crack. I've never heard of any white people being caught on film getting a two-year old to smoke some reefer. Even if they did, what difference does it make. We're the ones behind the eight ball.
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Libralind2
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LiZe..watch the tape..they inhaled
LiLi |
Tonya
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"As to Black youth doing less drugs, that's only because there are less Black people. If the population of the races were equivalent, Blacks would far outdo whites in the getting high department."
I'm pretty sure they controlled for that but you can check the study yourself to be sure.
"It's not like all of our high school dropouts are out trying to get a job. No - they are hanging out at the crib or on the corner doing crack."
You're a high school dropout. Are you doing crack?? All I'm saying is we prob'ly should stick to what we KNOW and stop attributing our experiences to others. |
Cynique
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Post Number: 7597
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, March 04, 2007 - 10:55 pm: |
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The majority of whites kids are not punished for the stupid behavior of the bad apples. But black kids have to suffer because they are too often judged by the worst among them whose negative images are thrust into the public eye. That's what racism is all about. |
Mzuri
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, March 04, 2007 - 11:06 pm: |
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As far as I know, people weren't smoking crack cocaine back in the seventies when I quit school. And luckily for me, I was the exception - I had a job/business, which was one of the reasons that I quit school. I never really had much time to get high, I've always had to remain focused. YOU ought to stick to what YOU think you know. Like anybody gives a shit about a dead street bum. LOLOL!
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Abm
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 05, 2007 - 01:44 am: |
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"The 1999 National Household Survey on Drug Abuse reports that White youth aged 12-17 are more than a third more likely to have sold drugs than African-American youth. The National Institute of Drug Abuse survey of high school seniors for 1998/1999 shows that White students use cocaine at 7 to 8 times the rate of African American students, and heroin at 7 times the rate of African American students."
http://www.drugpolicy.org/communities/race/educationvsi/ |
Mzuri
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 05, 2007 - 01:53 am: |
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The National Household Survey??? Of course white people sell more drugs, they are more enterprising. And of course white people use more heroin and cocaine, Blacks can't afford that shit!!! Blacks abuse alcohol, meth, crack, reefer and sherms. As if there's going to be a National Household Survey on sherms. LOL!!!
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Cynique
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 05, 2007 - 09:29 am: |
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Here we go with the "rate" factor in extrapolating statistics. The actual figures usually tell a different story. The argument is frequently made that the reason young blacks sell and use drugs is because they can't find gainful employment, but conjuring up a different set of statistics inadvertantly gives the impression that black kids aren't forced into selling drugs as much as white kids are. |
Chrishayden
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 05, 2007 - 11:55 am: |
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Typical of what I expect to see you posting and agonizing about.
Something you can't do a damn thing about other than sit here on this site, agonizing about it.
Are any of you who are so horrified running down in the hood, or out in your own hood, to try to stop teenagers selling and using drugs?
Please don't come here and post your usual "But we have to identify the problem--" bushwah. Nobody in my house does this. If I see this happening on my block I will alert the parents and if that doesn't work, call the juvenile authorities.
Now what.
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Abm
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 05, 2007 - 12:23 pm: |
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Black people, young/old, are no more inclined to use and sell drugs than anyone else. If anything, the statistics assert something quite different.
The problem is Blacks are - because of racist laws & law enforcement/prosecution and poverty - more inclined to experience the HORRORS of drug use/consumption, many of which stem from from it being ILLEGAL to possess and use certain drugs.
Moreover, White foks consume all kinds of mind/mood altering drugs. However, many of them are able to garner such via physician prescription (that are so ubiquitous, you can't watch an hour of television without seeing Merck, Eli Lilly and GlaxoSmithKline hock the sh*t like legalized crack dealers). |
Cynique
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 05, 2007 - 12:41 pm: |
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You're allowed to constantly agonize about the pooooor underclass being scorned by the black middleclass, chrishayden, but others don't dare be dismayed by black toddlers being taped as they follow instruction to take hits off of blunts. snort. |
Cynique
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 05, 2007 - 01:39 pm: |
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Who uses more drugs between whites and blacks is besidside the point. Giving pot to little kids and then taping them trying to smoke it is a big drag. Especially since the tapes are splashed all over the media, giving bigots grist for their mill. |
Tonya
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Goodness. It's the blind trying to lead the blind, the downright ignorant try'na lead the ignorant. And all they want to do is complain. How do they even get THE NERVE to carry on this way? I'm sayin:
Gotta problem w/kids shooting other kids?
Don't raise kids that'll raise kids to shoot other kids.
Lament the high school dropout rate?
Try keeping YOUR Black ass in high school.
Can't stand the uneducated/downright ignorant?
STFU, and solve your problems first. |
Mzuri
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Tonya. I'm damn near fifty years old. The fact that I dropped out of high school is water under the bridge. I wasn't part of any "statistics" and I wasn't having any personal problems. I simply had other interests and moved on. And when I turned sixteen I received an equivalency diploma and thus completed my high school education. I subsequently attended business college and was employed by the Army for 20+ years. If you don't have a problem with a two- and five-year old smoking reefer, then you need to STFU. Go post in the Hillary is a ••••• thread.
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Cynique
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People who criticize the negative things blacks do are entitled to equal time since certain others have a monopoly on excusing anything negative blacks do. It's like the apologizers believe that if you ignore things, they'll go away. |
Ntfs_encryption
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"People who criticize the negative things blacks do are entitled to equal time since certain others have a monopoly on excusing anything negative blacks do. It's like the apologizers believe that if you ignore things, they'll go away."
Ms. Cynique, do you have any idea how right you are..????? Your comment is scientific and irrefutable!
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Doberman23
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all i could do was shake my head in disbelief. first the fatboys break up and now this. |
Misty
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"The National Household Survey??? Of course white people sell more drugs, they are more enterprising. And of course white people use more heroin and cocaine, Blacks can't afford that shit!!! Blacks abuse alcohol, meth, crack, reefer and sherms. As if there's going to be a National Household Survey on sherms. LOL!!!"
according to the stats i read.... white kids are more likely to do EVERY type of drug than blacks..and theyre also more likely to get drunk, binge drink and drive while intoxicated. why would you asume that blacks are more likely to do drugs? |
Mzuri
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What assumption? I stated the choice of drugs of the typical young Black person.
Ding! Ding! Ding!
Idiot Alert!!!
More white kids drive while intoxicated because . . . .
Drum Roll Please!!!
THEIR PARENTS TEND TO HAVE AN EXTRA CAR (FOR THEM TO DRIVE)
How do I know this???
Ding! Ding! Ding!
It's common sense!!!
There's more white people than Black people.
Therefore, more white people own cars.
See how simple that is?
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Tonya
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Like I said, they make adjustments for the difference in population. Notice they usually go by fractions or percentages. |
Misty
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^^^^right tonya...anyone with any sense who has read anything knows that they adjust for population but then again look who's calling who the idiot......i just told the dumbass that white kids are more likely to drink period (THAT'S the main reason they're more likely to drink and drive) but that went right over the top of her empty head as well.
mzuri you need to slow down and learn to take in what's being said before rushing to make smart alek remarks because you only make yourself look more stupid than usual. you're so busy trying to dish insults that you dont even think before you type. |
Misty
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What assumption? I stated the choice of drugs of the typical young Black person.
oh please!.....you weren't simply stating blacks choice in drugs but that you believe blacks are more likely to get high in genereal. you CLEARLY stated that if population were controlled for black kids would be more likely to do drugs.....that's obviously what i was refering to...i know you can be pretty dumb but right now i think you're playing dumb on purpose and trying to back-peddle...you just cant seem to get it right this morning...lol go get some sleep before you overwork those 2 brain cells you got floating around in that dome. |
Tonya
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Mzuri,
I hope you don't think that they go around questioning EVERY SINGLE person in the country (or whatever) when they conduct these studies. I honestly don't know what you're thinking but at least tell me this ain't so.
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Misty
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wouldn't put it past her...lol |
Tonya
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...LOL,
Well, Misty, she said she "attended business college" so I'm trying to give her the benefit of doubt.
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Abm
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Ntfs,
Is it fair and rational to use a single example of parental irresponsibility to apply exaggerated claims about Black foks as a whole? I mean, I'm sure there are other Black (and, btw, non-Black) foks who allow their infant children to smoke dope. But have NOT seen any.
There's nothing wrong with citing problems within the Black family and community. That's something we MUST do if we're ever to address them. But to effectively do that, we must honestly and fairly observe what's going on.
Comparing our rates of drug/alcohol consumption with those of non-Blacks provide a truer, fuller picture of the true nature and scale of the problem.
The stats prove the desire for foks to become inebriated and to make money off such is NOT a Black problem. It's a human problem. (Hell. The Greeks/Romans dedicated deities to the concept of the human desire and inclination for drunkeness.)
The Beer, Wine & Spirits businesses are amongst this nation's most lucrative business sectors. And the pharmaceutical industry is churning out new mood/mind-altering drugs with the passing of every day. All tolled, they're making 100's of BILLIONS in revenues from such. And very FEW of those companies are significantly owned/controlled by Blacks.
So you can't just look at this as some problem that's unique/special to the Black community.
We're not just a people seperate unto ourselves. We're a part or and a influenced by the thoughts and behavior of a nation that is 87% NON-Black.
And so long as Black foks are a minority and are especially, uniquely encumbered by issues of race and economics we will be especially harmed by laws/policies that neither fairly or effectively address our drug problems. |
Mzuri
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, March 06, 2007 - 08:42 am: |
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Tonya & Misty -
So I said that Black youth are more likely to get high than whites. That's the way I see it. What of it?
Clearly, I'm not a scientist, sociologist or anthropologist nor do I profess to be. I'm just an ordinary person, a mother and a grandmother. And when I tune in to BET or MTV what do I see? Black youth extolling the virtues of getting high.
I see Snoop Dogg in the mainstream media. And what does he promote (besides legitimate consumer goods)? Getting high. But maybe I'm misinterpreting things. Perhaps that's not what's really going on.
Do you see this trend among white people? Do you see white people bragging about how they smoke blunts all day?
Yes or no?
Perhaps the two of you see something different.
As to these so-called studies that you are referring to - who is "they?" Would "they" be white people? How are "they" going to take an accurate assessment or make accurate adjustments regarding the population of the Black race versus the white race, when there are less of us, and when we (the Black community) can't even determine what "Black" is.
Does the "Black" population include mulattoes?
Yes or no?
You see. There's no way to even get an accurate count of the "Black" population. And that makes these so-called studies inconclusive.
Do the two of you feel that if the Black population (including all the mixed race people that are sometimes classified as Black and the Black Hispanics) and the white population were even, that Black youth would be less likely to indulge in mind-altering substances?
Yes or no?
Now, stay with me.
Let's take our unwed mother, single family, no father in the home issue. The issue that is now a legacy that has been passed down from one generation to the next. Let's talk about that.
Just out of curiosity - did your father raise you? Was your father in the home, residing with your mother in harmony? Or did he reside elsewhere? With his "other" family perhaps? Did he send child support? Could he even be found? Do you know where your daddy is right now at this moment? Can you call him on the phone?
(My answer to the above is yes, and he usually answers after the second ring.)
What does that have to do with anything?
Put on your thinking caps because this might be too deep for you.
When there's no man in the house, and the mother is out working two jobs trying to make ends meet, she's not at home to oversee the children. This situation generally contributes to juvenile delinquency and that would include the use of illicit drugs.
Is any of this making any sense to you?
I don't believe that ALL young Black women are tramps, and that no young Black woman does the right thing by getting an education, establishing a career, finding a suitable husband and THEN having children. But I do believe that this is NOT the trend within the Black community. The trend is for a young Black woman to have a baby, out of wedlock and without a serious committed relationship, and then run around trying to figure out who the babydaddy is and whether or not he's going to provide support.
The trend is that the babydaddy already has another babymomma that he's already not able to support.
That's the way I see it. Why? Because that's the way it is.
But perhaps the two of you see something different.
What does any of that have to do with anything? It further contributes to the cycle of the unwed mother, single family, no father in the home problem. The cycle that has become the norm within the Black community. The cycle that leads to juvenile delinquency. The juvenile delinquency that includes drug abuse.
This cycle that does NOT tend to exist within the white population.
And let me say this once again in case you missed it in the past: it is US, the BLACK population, the BLACK community that is behind the eight ball.
We're the ones that must go to the white man for a job, groceries, a car, a house and whatever else we need.
Can you name one thing that Black people produce (besides music)? Can you name one thing that you obtain from a Black man. Who did you buy your car from? Who is your landlord? Who signs your paychecks?
Name one thing that the white man requires of the Black man?
Now - back to the subject at hand - the above video - the video that depicts two young Black men getting high and putting that shit on an infant and a toddler. While the mother was in the next room asleep. And the ADULT HEAD OF HOUSEHOLD MAN of the house was nowhere to be found.
What's up with that???
What sort of future is in store for the two-year-old and the five-year-old???
A bright one???
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Tonya
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I'mma leave it alone cuz it's sad and I'll just be taking a bunch of cheap shots.
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Mzuri
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What Ever Tonya. It's sad that you seem to want to excuse the inexcusable by making lame excuses. It's completely irrelevant whether white people get high more or less than Blacks, since the white community isn't suffering the types of problems that we are. Get your head out of the clouds.
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Libralind2
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Illicit Drug Use Other than Marijuana
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In 2003, nearly one in ten twelfth grade students reported using illicit drugs other than marijuana in the past month. (See Figure 1)
Importance
Use of illicit drugs is associated with many harmful behaviors and can cause both short and long-term health problems. Students who use illicit drugs are more likely to engage in risky sexual behavior1 and delinquency and crime,2,3 and may use increasingly more dangerous drugs.4 Additionally, though causality is complex, students using illicit drugs often have problems in school, including low attendance rates and poor academic performance, and are more likely to drop out or be expelled.5,6 Youth who use illicit drugs are more likely to have poor relationships with their families and peers.7
There are also many health risks associated with illicit drug use. The physical problems associated with illicit drug use are numerous and vary depending on the type of drug used. Physical problems can include: abnormal heart rates, seizures, kidney failure, respiratory failure, and brain damage.8 Additionally, youth who use illicit drugs have higher death rates than do their peers because of increased risk of accidents (such as car accidents), suicide, homicide, and illness.9 There are also many mental health problems that are linked to illicit drug use including: depression, anxiety, paranoia, hallucinations, developmental lags, delusions, and mood disturbances.10
Illicit drugs other than marijuana include LSD, other hallucinogens, cocaine, heroin, other narcotics, amphetamines, barbiturates, or tranquilizers not under a doctor's orders.
Trends
The use of "illicit drugs other than marijuana" in the last month by twelfth grade students shrank from 17 percent in 1980 to 6 percent in 1992. It then increased during the mid-1990s, and has stayed fairly constant at around 10 percent since 1997. (See Figure 1) The percentage of tenth graders using illicit drugs other than marijuana increased during the early 1990s. However, between 2001 and 2003, the percentage of tenth graders using illicit drugs other than marijuana decreased slightly from 8 percent to 7 percent. Among eighth graders, the percentage of students using illicit drugs other than marijuana increased in the early 1990s, and has remained fairly constant since then at around 5 percent. (See Figure 1)
Differences by Race
Black students are much less likely than white students to have used illicit drugs other than marijuana in the past month. (See Figure 2) Among twelfth graders in 2003, 4 percent of black students used illicit drugs other than marijuana, compared with 11 percent of white students of the same age. Similar differences are found among eighth and tenth graders.
Differences by Type of Drug
In 2004, the most recent year that estimates by type of drug are available, the most widely used illicit drugs other than marijuana among eighth graders were inhalants (5 percent of eighth graders), amphetamines (2 percent), and tranquilizers (1 percent). (See Table 2) Among tenth graders, amphetamines were the most widely used illicit drug other than marijuana (4 percent), followed by inhalants (2 percent) and tranquilizers (2 percent). Similarly, among twelfth graders, amphetamines were the most popular illicit drug other than marijuana (5 percent), followed by tranquilizers (3 percent), barbiturates (3 percent), and cocaine (2 percent).
Differences by College Plans
Students who plan to complete college are less likely than those who do not plan to complete college to have used illicit drugs other than marijuana in the past month. In 2003, 4 percent of eighth graders planning to complete four years of college had used illicit drugs in the past month compared with 12 percent of eighth graders without such plans. As students get older, this gap decreases slightly. (See Table 1)
Differences by Parental Education
In eighth and tenth grades, students whose parents did not complete high school are more likely than those whose parents are more educated to have used illicit drugs other than marijuana in the past month. By twelfth grade, however, students are about equally likely to use illicit drugs other than marijuana, regardless of their parents' education. (See Table 1)
Related Indicators
Binge Drinking, Daily Cigarette Use, Marijuana Use
State and Local Estimates
2003 estimates of use for individual illicit drugs are available for selected states and metropolitan areas through the Youth Risk Behavior Survey, available at: http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss5302a1.htm#tab31
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss5302a1.htm#tab33
Estimates of any illicit drug use other than marijuana among 12- to 17-year-olds are available for all 50 states for 2003-2004 from the National Survey on Drug Use and Health (formerly called the National Household Survey on Drug Abuse) at: http://oas.samhsa.gov/2k4State/appB.htm#TabB.6
NOTE: Estimates of drug use from the National Survey on Drug Use and Health, used to generate these state-level estimates, are generally lower than estimates generated by the Monitoring the Future Survey (MTF). Since the MTF was the source of the national estimates presented in this indicator, users should not make direct comparisons of estimates made from the two sources. For information on methodological differences in the surveys that may be causing these differences in estimates, see Harrison, L.D. (2001). "Understanding the differences in youth drug prevalence rates produced by the MTF, NHSDA, and YRBS studies."Journal of Drug Issues, 31(3), pp. 665-694.
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Jackie
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Mzuri:"It's completely irrelevant whether white people get high more or less than Blacks, since the white community isn't suffering the types of problems that we are. Get your head out of the clouds."
You got that right. The white community has to deal with different problems with their kids. Because, the majority of black kids don't make explosives and bombs in their basements or bedrooms(and their parents have absolutely no idea about them). The majority of black kids don't axe their parents while they're sleep or while they're sitting in a recliner watching "I Love Lucy reruns". They also don't strap themselves up like GI Joes and go blow off half of their classmates heads or strategically place bombs around their schools. (I wonder what kind of drugs they're using? or for that matter what kind of drugs do they need to be on ? LOL !) Black kids are less likely to slit their wrist or hang themselves at home as well. In any event, we should all agree that most kids will exhibit some type of behavioral problems if they're neglected, abused, poverty stricken, or come from majorly dysfunctional house holds. How these issues manifests depends on many factors. These two teenagers that gave these 2 younger children a blunt need a man's fist in their chests ! Punk asses !
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Cynique
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I think smoking pot should be excluded from these studies because weed has become mainstream and members of this generation take a hit off a joint just like they'd take a swig of beer. To toddlers its just like licking a lollypop apparently. snicker. Seriously, I also think a distinction should be made between experimenting with drugs and becoming a habitual user. |
Libralind2
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They just interviewed the 17 yr old on the news. He said, "ya'll ack like I gave them something they wasnt going to get..eventually..they around this all the time. I see this all the time.I didnt give them no alcohol.... I raised myself" said the HS dropout. "I am sorry though for the trouble I caused my sister".
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Abm
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LiLi: "I raised myself"
If THAT'S true, than perhaps he's as much a victim as the children he'd given those blunts to. |
Jackie
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You see what I'm talking about ? They need guidance/structure/stability/and love !(and a man's fist in their chest !) |
Mzuri
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What Ever to you as well Jackie. There are Black-on-Black shootings and drive-by's every single day of the week. But we hardly hear much about them because these episodes aren't even newsworthy anymore and the shock value has worn off. When we do hear/read about them, it's just another "who cares" event that is soon forgotten.
Cynique - I approve of the reefer, but not for children. The reefer that's out here today is not like the olden days when the most you had to worry about was some pesticide on your reefer. These days dealers use additives to make the stuff more potent and addictive. Formaldehyde, ketamine, PCP and who knows what. That stuff could kill an old horse like me. LOLOL!
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Tonya
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"If THAT'S true, than perhaps he's as much a victim as the children he'd given those blunts to."
Exactly ABM. And Jackie I agree partially with you too.
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Libralind2
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Teen sorry for video of children smoking pot
07:33 AM CST on Tuesday, March 6, 2007
By DEBRA DENNIS / The Dallas Morning News and JIM DOUGLAS / WFAA-TV
Demetris McCoy says he's sorry for the firestorm he caused after his two young nephews were videotaped as they smoked marijuana, but he says he doesn't believe he is the first to expose the boys to the illegal drug.
The Watauga 17-year-old is in the Tarrant County Jail, charged with injury to a child after police released a video of a 2-year-old and a 5-year-old boy doing drugs.
But even as he apologized in a jailhouse interview with WFAA-TV on Monday, McCoy talked about how his nephews didn't get high while smoking the marijuana. He predicted the youngsters would have eventually smoked the drug anyway.
"They wasn't even high," McCoy said. "They didn't even inhale it right."
The youngsters on the videotape are the children of McCoy's sister.
McCoy said he has been around marijuana all of his life and that drugs, for many, is just a part of growing up.
"Some people give their kids alcohol, let them smoke ice, methamphetamines. Weed ain't going to kill them," he said.
McCoy, the father of a 3-month-old daughter who said he is a high school dropout and pursuing a GED, said he has watched the video at the Tarrant County jail since his arrest last month.
"It happened, and I can't go back to the past," McCoy said. "I'm sorry for what I did. I'm sorry for the pain I caused my sister."
He described his nephews, who are now in foster care, as "puffing and playing with [the drug]."
McCoy said he allowed the children to smoke because he was high on marijuana at the time and also said he believed they had smoked the drug before.
McCoy's friend, 18-year-old Vanswan Polty, also is charged with injury to a child with bodily injury. If convicted, they could receive up to 10 years in prison and/or be fined $10,000.
The two were out on bail on a burglary charge in Watauga when the tape was made.
The tape was confiscated by Fort Worth police on Feb. 22 when officers executed a search warrant at McCoy's home in the 6000 block of Hickoryhill Road in Watauga.
Watauga Department of Public Safety Director Bruce Ure said the teens encouraged the two young boys to smoke a marijuana cigar.
The teens, laughing on the videotape as they offer the children the drug, call the boys "potheads." They also make jokes about the children having the "munchies."
"You're watching a crime in progress," Ure said. "This is their uncle, and he's encouraging them. They were so willing to go along, to please their uncle. Encouraging a 2-year-old who is clearly a baby – it's a baby, and they think it's funny watching him impaired."
Investigators, he said, were appalled as they watched the tape.
Ure said this was not the first time the children had been given marijuana.
"You can see that the 2-year-old, he's inhaling," Ure said.
The boys' mother told police that she was asleep in a back bedroom at the time of the recording.
McCoy said he is surprised by the attention the recording has raised, saying the media has blown the matter out of proportion.
"Nine times out of 10, kids are going to smoke," McCoy said. "Kids are going to smoke. It was going to eventually happen."
When told that media outlets across the world were showing the tape, McCoy said he did not welcome the attention.
"This ain't nothing to be famous for. This ain't good. I recorded it, and that's what hurt me most."
Police are searching a third teen who may have made the tape.
McCoy was arrested Feb. 23. Polty was arrested Friday in Fort Worth.
Both are being held in lieu of $150,000 bail.
A hearing to determine whether the boys would remain in foster care is set for March 26 in Tarrant County Juvenile Court, said Marissa Gonzales, spokeswoman for Child Protective Services
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Tonya
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I bet his mother was a high school dropout "pursuing a GED" just like him. |
Cynique
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Also, the father of the 2 toddlers is in jail. Soooooo, is the situation described and reputed as being a common occurrence and a harbinger of things to come the fault of the terrible black middleclass?? tsk-tsk. |
Tonya
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It's clear you like pulling things out of your ass but I never blamed the middle class or ANY class for the behavior of some. I mean, really, who could?? If you read my posts correctly my argument has usually been that the middle class have enough "problems" of their own.
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Cynique
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I wasn't talking to you in particular, Tonya. My dig was directed at the entire Bash-Bill-Cosby crowd. The black community is in crises and people who express their concern shouldn't be demonized. |
Ntfs_encryption
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"Ntfs,
Is it fair and rational to use a single example of parental irresponsibility to apply exaggerated claims about Black foks as a whole? I mean, I'm sure there are other Black (and, btw, non-Black) foks who allow their infant children to smoke dope. But have NOT seen any."
Bro ABM, I agree. When I made that comment about not being surprised, I was referring to sorry ass criminal Negroes who think it is cute or funny to give pot or liquor to children. I in no way believe such behavior is only restricted to black people. And yes, white folks are doing just as much if not more (some say more) drugs than blacks. I'm sure you have heard this: Doing drugs is not just a black thang!
In fact, one night some years ago, I was in my car going to work and I was listening to a talk radio program. The subject focused on drugs and crime. The commentator was interviewing an undercover narcotics cop (who happened to be white) about the drug wars and related violence in black underclass communities. The commentator asked the cop if this was occurring (crime and violence) because blacks were more involved in drug consumption. The cop said: "Absolutely not! Blacks are not using more drugs than whites. It has the appearance that blacks are doing more drugs because they are constantly getting busted. And they get busted because they are outside doing and selling drugs on the streets. They are easier targets while whites are inside and protected by the constitution (i.e., you need conduct an undercover investigation and request a warrant to get to them). Blacks are much easier to arrest because of their methods of dealing and using but they are not using more drugs than whites(sic)".
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Abm
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Ntfs: " And they get busted because they are outside doing and selling drugs on the streets. They are easier targets while whites are inside and protected by the constitution (i.e., you need conduct an undercover investigation and request a warrant to get to them). Blacks are much easier to arrest because of their methods of dealing and using but they are not using more drugs than whites(sic)"."
I've often heard and read that to be the reason why it's easier to nab Black drug consumers/dealers than it is catch White ones. But while I think that's partly an authentic reason, I also think it's LARGELY bvllshyt.
Cops KNOW who's smoking/selling dope in White communities. They HAVE to know, given the sheer prevalence of drug use amongst White foks. So they could quite EASILY investigate, interdict and prosecute White drug use via surveillance, snitches, warrants, etc. if they WANTED to do that.
Hell. All they have to do is some light duty undercover work at most of your White college campuses on weekends to score 1,000's of White drug users/dealers.
But they DON'T do any of that.
Why? Because there's almost NO political, social or economic interest in and motivation for WHITE foks to arrest, try and lock up other WHITE foks (many of which are their kin/friends) for smoking and even selling dope. |
Cynique
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The use of "crank" and "meth" is rampant among rural whites and the cops monitor this trade, conducting regular raids on meth labs. Drug survelliance is a lot about class as well as color. Drug users and dealers of any color can escape detection and arrest if they exercise discretion. |
Latina_wi
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Saw this on another website, this is ad but doesn't surprise me. Just another snap shot of how much children are neglected and introduced to nefarious lifestyles at an earlier age.
I once saw a video of a child in Glasgow being given his first hit of heroin. I will try and find the video again....but it bloody disturbed me.
Why introduce a child into your depraved lifestyle, especially if you are awre it is deparved.
I am not sure if these seventeen year olds realised how big the consequences of their actions would be and how serious it is giving a child weed (especially considering some of the shit weed has in it nowadays), but they know now. |
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