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Tonya
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Times Argus
Article published Feb 26, 2007
'The Black Donnellys': Irish Boys Spell Trouble
Paul Haggis' much-celebrated 2004 film, "Crash," used shortcuts — cliches in the score, camerawork, and color mix — to induce emotional responses. The same methods inform his latest television series, "The Black Donnellys." Actually the show lays bare his form of aesthetic condescension so baldly that it may cause viewers to rethink his earlier achievement.
To begin with, the "black" in Paul Haggis' "Black Donnellys" on NBC refers to the enigmatic brunet coloring of some Irishmen: evidence of "Gypsy blood, or Spanish," as one character puts it on the premiere episode on Monday night, offering the usual folklore. Predictably, the word also works like "black" in blackguard. ( "People think we're all drunks and brawlers. And sometimes that gets you so mad all you want to do is get drunk and punch somebody.")
But "black" also seems to describe the gloom of the broadcast itself, an overcast New York City series shot largely in bars, cars, basements, and interrogation rooms. In voice-over by a blarney-peddler named Joey Ice Cream (Keith Nobbs), the series describes the nefarious rise of four good-looking Irish-American crooks who grew up in Hell's Kitchen. For a show about color, "The Black Donnellys" defaults inexplicably on its palette, like a nervous Manhattanite who determines that he can't go wrong in black.
Eking out light from neon beer signs, 40-watt bulbs, and pool-table lamps, to say nothing of the rays of the sun, might have made for subtler tableaus, but the screen looks sooty. It's hard to care what happens to these strutting petty criminals — Tommy (Jonathan Tucker), Jimmy (Tom Guiry), Kevin (Billy Lush), and Sean (Michael Stahl-David) — when you can hardly see them.
You don't need to get involved, though, because, like "Crash," "The Black Donnellys" is more of a lecture than a drama. Haggis will tell you what he'll tell you, and then he'll tell you what he told you. His strengths are mannered dialogue, heavily telegraphed action, and allegorical characters. A sentimental Irish story doesn't need much to hit the spot, but this one rings false. Sure, Haggis knows his sociological buttons: nostalgia for prejudice and Five Points scrappiness runs deep in the broad Irish-American middle class. And a line like "Too long a sacrifice can make a stone of the heart," from Yeats, is beautiful, even when you don't know why it's an epigraph to a show like this one.
The gloom here is just lazy thinking. Truly original Irish-American shows and movies, including "Road to Perdition," "Mystic River," "Brotherhood" and the brilliant, flaming "Rescue Me," have defined visually themselves against rococo, gilded Italian-American productions by using modernist starkness and austerity. The best of them have used white: sunless complexions, priests' collars, and expanses of ice and snow. With "Rescue Me" Denis Leary and Peter Tolan added the childish red of fire engines and lapping flames; their show is pervaded by gallows humor, but the darkness is in the script, not because the lights are off. The sun still comes up in the morning.
Not so here. To set the mood, Haggis not only turns his dimmer all the way down, he also presses his camera in on pensive faces while synthesizer chords tell you when and how to tear up. He even cranks up the opera when he wants the violence to seem cinematic. Opera for the Irish? Yeah. It doesn't matter. He's just hoping you're feeling vaguely Coppola, or whatever, as if something momentous and tragic is going on.
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Serenasailor
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I'm not understanding this story. This just looks like another "whack" NBC show that is bound to get cancelled after the first thirteen episodes. |
Serenasailor
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Tonya you like you some white men HUH?? I ain't mad at you these brothas like to "sit around" and act like "Rednecks" towards Black women anyway. |
Lil_ze
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the history of the "black irish" is a complex one.
im not sure of the "point" of the first post, but the whole concept of the "black irish", could fill a 1000 page book.
i have known some "black irish".
i went to high school with a BEAUTIFUL american born "black irish" girl.
there is without a doubt, something going on with the "black irish", as the girl i knew, had jet black hair (not saying that "regular" white people don't), and her skin tone was DARK tan, if not almost brown. and both her parents were born in ireland.
the "black irish" might be part of "gypsy" wanderers who dwelt in ireland. im still not sure.
although i know some people (black people) who have deep theories regarding the "black irish". mainly that they are a far removed part of the "black americans, west indians etc.
but its much deeper than that.
an interesting topic to say the least. |
Tonya
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Lil_ze, thank for clarifying this a little, I've never heard of the "Black Irish" or anything like this. I still don't understand what makes the men in the photo's Black. Is because they're gangsters, dressed in urban gear, poor, what?
(Btw, I think it's an interesting topic, too.)
SS, can you give me a little more credit, please?? These men are not what I consider eye-candy. |
Doberman23
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serenasailor is a stupid gay-wad. 95% his/her stankin aids infested ass types is stupid as hell. double-s gabrielle union is a beotch like your mama! |
Cynique
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ROTFLOL You are soooooo naughty, Dobes. |
Lil_ze
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tonya, the men in the photo are known as "black irish" because of their hair color.
but really their are two kinds of "black irish".
the people (white) with jet black hair in ireland are called "black irish" because of their "hair color".
but they are not "black".
the other type of "black irish" are actually "dark" in skin color.
in ireland are (were) bands of travelling "gypsies".
these "gypsies" are said by some to be the lost tribe of dan (from the biblical lost tribes).
the men in the photo are called "black irish" because of their hair.
but they are not considered "black".
however, the girl i went to high school with who's last name was "kelly" (a very irish name) was almost brown in skin tone, but both of her parents were irish.
she is the type, who is considered (by the black american people i know who have much information about this topic), to be "black", or if not "black" (like michael jordan), atleast to be a long lost remenant of the black americans, west indians etc.
some of the people i know have a theory that the "gypsies" (black irish) are the "wandering,lost" brothers of the black americans.
in ireland the vast majority of the people who are called "black irish", are just white people with jet black hair.
there are however "gypsies", who are actually the true "black irish"
one of the brother i know here in nyc, sent me a whole package of documents about the black irish.
here's one line fron the papers he sent me-
tribe of dan-so-called gypsies (the "rom" people), the black irish and black latins "the moors" of europe, north africa and the americas (the ancient danes/danaans".
i don't know if im being clear about this.
the brothers i know have a MUCH deeper knowledge regarding this information than i do.
tonya, if you have a interest in this topic, there is a brother i know named ISRAEL VILLA.
if you do a google search for "tribe of dan-black irish" and type in the name ISRAEL VILLA, you should get an e-mail address for him and go from there.
he has a great understanding of this information.
i would give you the phone number of another brother i know (the one who sent me this info), but i don't want to do it in a public forum.
i hope i was able to shed some light on this subject for you tonya.
but like i said, the people who i know have a MUCH greater understanding than i do. |
Serenasailor
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INTERESTING!!! NOTICE HOW LIL_CUNT IS A KISSER/WORSHIPPER OF NON-BLACK ASS!! BUT HE SIT'S AROUND AND BERATES BLACK PPL WHO HE DEEMS "TOO BLACK".
Funny the only thing Lil_Cunt knows about Black ppl is how to "hurl" Blackity Black jokes at our women.
But he seems to be an expert on other cultures especially their women. Those women who happen to "pass" his strict beauty test of "light-skin, long hair, and light eyes. |
Lil_ze
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what the hell did my post have to do with the worship of non-black ass?
ive never hurled a "blackity, black joke" at our women.
just because it evident that my knowledge and intelligence are leaps and bounds beyond yours, don't get mad at me.
im just superior to you in everyway.
but its not my fault.
ive never mentioned anyone being "too black".
but you (serenasailor) seem to use this term without end.
please serenasailor tell us more about how "non-black races are the off-spring of satan".
remember that thread you started you STUPID ASS? |
Serenasailor
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OH LIL_ZE IS TALKING ABOUT INTELLIGENCE!!!! THATS HILARIOUS!!
This from a guy who said Cameron Diaz is a "Black" woman!!
This from a guy who said African Americans don't COME FROM AFRICA!!
This from a guy who hates ppl of African descent but is Black his damn self!!
This from a guy who said that the offspring of Black men and non-black women are "Blacker" than the ones of non-Black men and Black women!!!
This from a guy who "brags" about loving white, onion-smelling, disease-ridden, overweight pussy!!!
YEAH!! Lil_Cunt you sure are superior to me!!! |
Serenasailor
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Actually, Tonya the Black Irish is a myth. The "real" Irish do not have any non-white genetic admixture.
Genetic research shows a strong similarity between the Y chromosome haplotypes of males from northwestern Spain and Irish males with Gaelic surnames,[2] with a notable difference between the west and the east of Ireland, in that much of those from the west owe less of their genetic makeup to Anglo Saxon and Scandinavian populations. Genetic marker R1b reaches frequencies as high as 98% in northwestern Ireland and 95% in southwestern Ireland, [3] but only 73% in northeastern Ireland and 85% in southeastern Ireland. Additionally, R1b averages between 89% and 95% in Y chromosomes of the Basques (of northern Spain and southwestern France), [4][5][6][7] considerably greater than levels of the same haplogroup found amongst the remaining Spanish genepool.[8].
In recently published books, Blood of the Isles by Bryan Sykes and Origins of Britons by Stephen Oppenheimer, the authors (both acclaimed geneticists) argue that ancient inhabitants of Ireland can be traced back to the Iberian Peninsula, as a result of migrations which took place during the Mesolithic and Neolithic Age. These movements supposedly laid the foundations for present-day populations in the British Isles.[9][10][11]
The Armada myth is thought to have been a corruption of a story based on the Milesians (not to be confused with the ancient Greek people of the same name), the purported descendants of Míl Espáine (Latin Miles Hispaniae, "Soldier of Hispania", later pseudo-Latinised as "Milesius"), speculated to represent Celtic speaking peoples from the northwestern Iberian peninsula who began to migrate to Ireland and Britain in the 5th Century B.C.
[edit] Statistics
In a statistical survey of the Irish carried out by Mr. C. Wesley Dupertuis in the 1940s under the endorsement and guidance of The Division of Anthropology of Harvard University, based on some 10,000 adult males, the following information was gathered and so documented. [3]
The hair color of the Irish is predominantly brown. Less than 3% have black or ashen hair, and 40% have dark brown hair. Medium brown hues make up another 35%. Persons with blond and light brown hair account for close to 15%, while approximately 10% have red hair. Both golden and dark brown shades can be seen in the southwestern counties of Ireland, but fairest hair in general is most common in the Great Plain. Ulster has been evidenced to have the highest frequencies of red hair with the lowest found in Wexford and Waterford.
In further examining pigmentation characteristics (both as a whole and regionally), studies have indicated the Irish are 'almost uniquely pale skinned when unexposed, untanned parts of the body, are observed' and '40% of the entire group are freckled to some extent.' Furthermore, 'in the proportion of pure light eyes' data shows that 'Ireland competes successfully with the blondest regions of Scandinavia,' as approximately 42% of the Irish population have blue eyes. Another 30% have been found to possess light-mixed eyes and 'less than ½ of 1% have pure brown.'
The results of this survey have been condensed and arranged in the Harvard Anthropometric Laboratory under the close supervision of Professor Earnest A. Hooton with the cooperation of both governments in Ireland
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Serenasailor
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And Doberman you are a white worshipping cocksucker who says stupid 5th grade words like "Gaywad".
If I do have H.I.V I caught from your ugly ass African bootyscratching girlfriend.
Or maybe I caught it from your stank, menure smelling, white grandmother.
Now shut-up before I find your Grandfather and slap his White worshipping ••••• ass around like your "Rosanne looking" Grandmother did. |
Doberman23
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booo! your so weak, it's starting not to be fun talking about your gay azz anymore. and quit giving yourself stars beotch. |
Lil_ze
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serenasailor, i never said that "black americans don't come from africa".
i stand by everything i say.
please serenasailor, tell the board more about how "non-black races" are the off-spring of satan.
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Serenasailor
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I will tell you more about that subject Lil_ze after you tell us more about the offspring of Black men and non-Black women are "Blacker" than the offspring of Non-Black men and Black women.
Or after you tell us more stories of how Africans are the lowest civilization on earth.
Or about how "Black" Cameron Diaz is!!
Need I go on Asswipe!!!
And Doberman not everyone can be as intelligent as you for using words like "Gay-wad" or saying things like "He's mad because he's gay".
Or maybe you learned words/sayings like that from your Bytch-ass Grandfather who likes to get his ass slapped around by stank, 400Ibs, buttermilk pussy smelling white women.
Or maybe you learned it from your "spearchucking" girlfriend. |
Lil_ze
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well, i stand by my words that the children of blackmen and white women (or women of any other nation) are a part of our people.
however, the children of whitemen and black women (or women of any other nation) are members of the white race.
its not a question of being "blacker", its a question of the blood of our forefathers.
if your forefather is a whiteman, you carry the blood of your forefathers, no matter if you mother is black or of another nation.
i believe i said that the nations in the land of africa are ON the lowest level of civilization of the planet earth.
and they without a doubt are.
the nations in the land of africa dwell in the most primate state on earth.
the nations in the land of africa in constant warfare, starvation, and the most barbaric acts a person could imagine.
south africa is the CHILD RAPE capital of the world.
why?
because these primative africans think that by raping a child (baby) thay can be cured of AIDS.
have you ever seen a documentary called "mondo magic"?
you can see africans laying cow dung, washing themselves as a cow urinates, sticking their faces in a cows anus and blowing in order to have the cow deficate.
the land of africa is the most disease ridden place on earth.
the africans are without a doubt on the lowest level of civilization of the planet earth.
anyone with eyes can see this.
as far as cameron diaz being "black", i said i have reason to believe she is black.
in the sense that she is the off-spring of blackmen.
whether or not this blackman was her great-great grandfather or her great,great,great, great grandfather, i do not know.
ive sen her father.
he has the appearance of the off-spring of blackmen.
whether or not cameron diaz "looks" black is not the issue.
if her fathers' great,great paternal grandfather was a blackman, then she is one of our people.
i does not matter if she has blonde hair and blue eyes.
there are plenty of black people in america that could "pass" for white, or "look" white, but they are the children, grandchildren, great grandchildren of BLACKMEN.
what they "look" like is not the issue.
this is what is was talking abiut when i said i have reason to believe that cameron diaz is "black" (or the off-spring of blackmen).
serenasailor, now that i have held up my part of your questions to me, and answered you-
PLEASE EXPLAIN HOW YOU COME TO THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE "NON-BLACK RACES" ARE THE DESCENDENTS OF SATAN?
this was what you said in the thread you started.
i can'y wait to hear your answer serenasailor, that is if you have the BALLS to stand behind what you have said in the past.
i know i do.
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Tonya
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washingtonpost.com | On the web
How the Irish claimed their place in the New World.
How the Irish claimed their place in the New World.
By Jonathan Yardley
Sunday, February 25, 2007; Page BW15
LOOKING FOR JIMMY
By Peter Quinn
Overlook. 283 pp. $26.95
This exceptionally thoughtful and interesting inquiry into Irish America, Peter Quinn writes, "is tentative, subjective and personal." Though it reaches certain broad judgments and conclusions about the Irish American experience, and though it draws heavily on the work of others who have written about that endlessly interesting subject, its primary source is Quinn and his family:
"The views and values it reflects were formed in the Bronx-based religious schools I attended from kindergarten through graduate school. A full account of the Irish in America would include the Protestant Scot-Irish and the many Catholics who settled outside cities. As worthy as their subjects are, they are not part of my tale. The Irish America of my search is the one into which I was born -- a cohesive urban Catholic community constructed from a peasantry fragmented, transplanted, transformed and defined by the Great Famine and its consequences."
The city and the famine: These are the central themes of Quinn's study. Carefully argued and handsomely written -- though marred by infrequent and inexplicable grammatical lapses -- Looking for Jimmy is more a meditation than a history, and thus does not displace William V. Shannon's invaluable The American Irish: A Political and Social Portrait (1964), which remains a standard reference. But lapses notwithstanding, Quinn is a better writer than Shannon, and he digs deeper.
Quinn is a novelist and speechwriter -- for two governors of New York, Hugh Carey and Mario Cuomo, and for big cheeses at Time Warner -- who "was born in 1947, in Greenport, on the northeast end of Long Island, exactly a century after my first Paddy ancestor set foot in America." His father and namesake had just been defeated for reelection as Democratic congressman from the Bronx, and the family was vacationing when Peter and his twin brother were born. The family got back to the city as soon as possible, and Quinn has lived there for most of the ensuing six decades. He is an urbanite to the core, and a proud Irish American one.
"If there is any central theme in the story of the Irish in America," he writes, "it is . . . how they stayed Irish: how an immigrant group already under punishing cultural and economic pressures, reeling in the wake of the worst catastrophe in western Europe in the nineteenth century, and plunged into the fastest industrializing society in the world, regrouped as quickly as it did; built its own far-flung network of charitable and educational institutions; preserved its own identity; and had a profound influence on the future of both the country it left and the one it came to."
Today the Irish are so thoroughly assimilated into the larger American society that it is difficult for anyone to remember how harshly and unforgivingly they were greeted as they arrived in the great wave that began in the mid-1840s and lasted for a decade, but white America equated them with blacks and stereotyped them accordingly as "childlike buffoons, lazy, superstitious, given to doubletalk, inflated rhetoric, and comic misuse of proper English."
For African Americans and the Irish alike, "the stereotype became so ingrained in popular attitudes and perceptions that it passed from being regarded as a theatrical parody to a predeterminant of group behavior." Blacks were called Sambo, while Irish were stereotyped as Paddy. Gradually, though, Paddy evolved into what Quinn calls Jimmy, a blend of New York's flamboyant Mayor Jimmy Walker and Jimmy Cagney, "the actor-hoofer with the looks of a prize-fighter lucky enough never to have had his face smashed in." Jimmy "expressed the style of the urban Irish in its definitive form. These Jimmies had the blend of musicality and menace, of nattiness and charm, of verbal agility and ironic sensibility, of what today is known as 'street smarts,' that the Irish, as New York's first immigrant outsiders, had developed."
They achieved this after overcoming circumstances so dire as to defy description or comprehension. On the subject of the famine, Quinn again is descriptive rather than definitive -- the latter distinction belongs to Cecil Woodham-Smith's The Great Hunger: The Story of the Potato Famine of the 1840s (1962) -- but he fully evokes the terrible pain and horror it inflicted on millions of people, and he shows how those who fled Ireland for America "began the process of recovering from the shattering experience of the Famine, of unbending from the defensive crouch it had forced them into, of building a new identity in America that preserved their deep sense of being Irish as it prepared them to compete in a country in which the hostility they faced was interwoven with possibilities for advancement that had never existed before."
White Anglo-Saxons who regarded themselves as "native Americans" gave the newcomers a frosty welcome. In Boston, employers famously posted signs that read: "No Irish Need Apply." Irish women, who outnumbered men, "worked in factories and mills. Irish maids became a fixture of bourgeois American life. Domestic service became so associated with the Irish that maids often were referred to generically as 'Kathleens' or 'Bridgets,' " just as black railroad porters were universally, and equally patronizingly, called "George."
Politics proved to be the key to Irish assimilation, though certainly not in a way of which the Brahmins approved. In New York, Tammany Hall emerged as the great engine of Irish advancement. Viewed with disgust by Anglos of most classes, but especially by reformers and aristos, Tammany did indeed wallow in corruption, but, more important, it "was about practical things: about jobs, bread, influence; about the neighborhood kid who needed a lawyer; about the fees paid a subcontractor; and about the hundred cases of champagne and two hundred kegs of beer waiting in the basement of the Hall for those who endured five hours of July Fourth speechifying." Tammany was practical, unromantic and effective; Quinn correctly concludes that "for all its excesses, for all its thievery and knavery, Tammany afforded the poor what the rich and well-off had denied them throughout history: respect."
The other institution that gave aid, comfort and support to the Irish was the Catholic Church. Quinn, who was raised a Catholic, went through a brief period of collegiate apostasy and then returned to the fold, laments what has happened to the church and the priesthood after "the prolonged season of ugly revelations of sexual misconduct" but does not let that cloud his memory of the church in which he was reared: "The environment was sexually puritanical, ritually demanding, and often stultifying. It was also intensely comforting and secure, liturgically rich, a culture of moral absolutes, theological certainties, and religious devotions in which the answers to all life's questions were readily at hand." Quinn offers a surprisingly revisionist view of Cardinal Spellman, whose early and faithful support for civil rights he emphasizes more strongly than the cardinal's fondness for political meddling and his rigid approach to some moral issues.
In America, the Irish elevated the church "from an ingredient in Irish life to its center, the bulwark of a culture that had lost its language and almost disintegrated beneath the catastrophe of the Famine." The Irish "translated their numbers into control of the Democratic party in the major cities and turned municipal patronage into an immediate and pragmatic method for softening the ravages of boom-and-bust capitalism." They were "prime participants in the often intertwined professions of politics, entertainment, sports (along with its less reputable sister, gambling), as well as a major part of the local criminal underworld (which was not infrequently an ally of the local political machine)."
Like African Americans, Irish Americans have made contributions of incalculable dimensions to American society and culture. They changed and enriched the language, gave us our greatest playwright (Eugene O'Neill), some of our finest writers (Flannery O'Connor, F. Scott Fitzgerald, Alice McDermott, William Kennedy) and our greatest movie director, John Ford, one of the "master interpreters of the [American] dream." Now they have given us, in this fine book, a way to help us understand them, and thus ourselves. ?
Jonathan Yardley's e-mail address is yardleyj@washpost.com. |
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while its true that there was alot of "anti-irish" feelings present in the new world, the fact is that the irish are some of the most anglo (white) people on the earth.
when i say anglo, im mean racially anglo, in the sense that the english are anglo's.
not religion wise but racially.
the reason behind the shunning of the irish, goes back to irelands "tension filled" relationship with england.
the reason for the irish "assimilation" into greater american society is because they are white people.
the american-irish have been some of the greatest haters of black americans. |
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